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In this gripping true crime story, Kara Robinson Chamberlain recounts her terrifying abduction by a serial killer — and her incredible fight for survival. This chilling account takes you inside the mind of a predator, the moments of fear and courage, and the strategic moves that led to her escape.
Discover how Kara’s bravery, quick thinking, and determination turned a nightmare into a powerful story of hope and resilience. Perfect for fans of real-life survival stories, criminal psychology, and true crime documentaries.
📌 Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:45 The Day of the Abduction
6:20 Inside the Captor’s Home
12:10 The Escape Plan
18:30 Aftermath & Recovery
Discover how Kara’s bravery, quick thinking, and determination turned a nightmare into a powerful story of hope and resilience. Perfect for fans of real-life survival stories, criminal psychology, and true crime documentaries.
📌 Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:45 The Day of the Abduction
6:20 Inside the Captor’s Home
12:10 The Escape Plan
18:30 Aftermath & Recovery
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00:00:00Crime, conspiracy, serial killers, cults, and murder.
00:00:04All things that I love to consume, and I know you do too,
00:00:07you sick, beautiful, intellectual-minded freak.
00:00:10And today, we have a very special, special episode.
00:00:14I think my favorite episode of these deep dives so far,
00:00:17because we are actually going to be talking to the person
00:00:19that went through this heinous, unimaginable crime
00:00:23and getting her point of view.
00:00:26And this individual is Kara Robinson Chamberlain.
00:00:29She has an absolutely harrowing, yet inspiring story
00:00:32about survival against unimaginable odds.
00:00:35At just 15 years old, Kara was abducted by a serial killer.
00:00:39But with her quick thinking and insane courage,
00:00:42she was able to escape and eventually identify her captor,
00:00:46which she would later find out was a serial killer.
00:00:48And our conversation was so informative and interesting,
00:00:53and I want to thank Kara again for doing this interview.
00:00:56She is such a wonderful, inspiring human being.
00:01:00And without further ado, let's get into the interview with Kara Chamberlain.
00:01:04Hello, everyone.
00:01:05I am here with the beautiful Kara Chamberlain.
00:01:07Hello.
00:01:08Hey.
00:01:09How are you?
00:01:10Good.
00:01:11And it's Chamberlain?
00:01:12Yeah.
00:01:13Lane? Lane?
00:01:14I don't know.
00:01:14I don't know.
00:01:15I don't know.
00:01:16Chamberlain.
00:01:17Like Chamberlain.
00:01:19I don't know.
00:01:21Either way.
00:01:21One of my last names is Hallowell, but I don't know if it's Hallowell or Hallowell or I don't know.
00:01:26Anyway.
00:01:28Yeah.
00:01:28I would just, I mean, I do all these true crime deep dives
00:01:31and I always talk for the person that went through it or anything.
00:01:34So thank you so much for meeting with me and telling your story through your eyes because it's indescribable.
00:01:43Like I've read about it a lot and there's only so much you can get from reading about it.
00:01:47But it's, yeah, it's unimaginable.
00:01:51And I just, I really want my audience to hear it through your voice.
00:01:54So if you're okay with it, you can intro yourself and just kind of get into how it all went.
00:01:59I do want to start just by saying like, I know when people hear this story,
00:02:04the first thing people think is, oh my God, I could never do that.
00:02:09And I just encourage everyone listening to listen with the understanding that you absolutely have no idea
00:02:15what you are capable of and what you can and would do in a situation like mine or many others until you're put in them.
00:02:23It's the human will is to survive.
00:02:25So in that vein, when I was 15 years old, the kind of flyover version of my story,
00:02:31and we can go into as much detail as you want.
00:02:35The flyover version is when I was 15 years old, I was kidnapped by a man I later found out was a serial killer.
00:02:41So I was very much like average 15 year old.
00:02:45This was 2002.
00:02:47So 22 years ago, I was spending the night with a friend.
00:02:51And as most 15 year olds do, always with like my friend, my boyfriend, similar situation as most people find themselves in at that age,
00:03:02and had spent the night with my best friend, and we were getting ready to figure out what we were going to do for the day,
00:03:08decided to go to the lake and called her mom, asked if there was anything that needed to be done at the house.
00:03:14And her mom said, Yeah, can you guys water the plants before you leave?
00:03:18And so my friend wanted to take a shower before we left.
00:03:21And so I was like, you know, I'll water the plants, kind of get us out of the house a little bit faster.
00:03:27And so that was a decision that really changed my life.
00:03:31And I was outside in like, cheerleading shorts.
00:03:37Are you old enough to have worn the soapy shorts?
00:03:41Oh, yeah.
00:03:42Yeah, it was like, I wore them in volleyball and stuff.
00:03:45Like, really, like, just horrible shorts.
00:03:48Are they still around?
00:03:49I don't know.
00:03:50And sorry, where was your friend at the time during this as well?
00:03:52She was in the shower.
00:03:54She was in the shower.
00:03:54Yeah, so she got in the shower.
00:03:56And so I went outside and like, the cheerleading shorts and t-shirt from like my mom's work, right?
00:04:01At least a car dealership t-shirt and my cheerleading shorts and no shoes, no cell phone.
00:04:07Did I have a cell phone?
00:04:08That's one of the things that people, where was it?
00:04:11Why?
00:04:11Why didn't you have your cell phone?
00:04:12I'm like, oh, baby.
00:04:142002.
00:04:16Yeah.
00:04:17So, so I was outside watering the plants and 15, getting ready to get my license.
00:04:23So I was kind of paying attention to cars a little more than maybe I would have previously.
00:04:27For sure.
00:04:27So when a Trans Am drove by, I was like, that's a kind of cool car.
00:04:32Like, maybe I would like to drive one of those and noticed it.
00:04:36And, you know, if it would have been a Civic or, you know, Kia Rio, I probably wouldn't have noticed it.
00:04:43But I noticed it and it was on the way out of the neighborhood and just kind of cataloged it and went about my business.
00:04:51And then next thing that I knew, the car came back into the neighborhood and pulled directly into the driveway.
00:04:55And I was not, I wouldn't say I'm necessarily naive or that I was naive, but I lived, this was before the internet was what it is today.
00:05:07So I think that anyone that's like my age will understand this, but maybe some people that are younger won't quite get this mentality of not being creeped out or scared because true crime wasn't a genre.
00:05:23We weren't consuming these stories and like, oh my God, somebody's going to kidnap me.
00:05:27That was not, that was not a thing.
00:05:30And it's like, you didn't see it on the news.
00:05:33You pretty much had America's Most Wanted and you had unsolved mysteries and you had cops.
00:05:37Like, yeah, that's it.
00:05:39And so, so the car pulls into the driveway and I don't really think anything.
00:05:44I think maybe this is somebody that knows my friend's mom and guy gets out, he doesn't set off any alarms.
00:05:50He's very average looking, white male.
00:05:54He's not acting furtive, like looking around, trying to figure out if anybody's watching him, anything like that.
00:06:00And he walks directly over to me and he has like a binder in his arms.
00:06:04And he says, I was out here, I saw you out here, I'm distributing these magazines or pamphlets, something like that.
00:06:12And yeah, and he said, so I figured I'd stop and give them to you, are your parents' home?
00:06:18And during this whole interaction, he's a very respectable distance away.
00:06:22He's not all up in my space, again, not looking around.
00:06:26And I was like, oh, no, my parents aren't, or this is not my house.
00:06:30I said, this is not my house.
00:06:31This is my friend's house.
00:06:32And her house is in a neighborhood where the houses are relatively close together.
00:06:38Like there's people driving up and down the street.
00:06:41There's neighbors mowing their grass and doing yard work.
00:06:43Like there's always people around.
00:06:45And so I had, you know, like a sense of security.
00:06:49And so I said, this is my friend's house.
00:06:51And he said, okay, well, what about her parents or her parents' home?
00:06:54And I said, no, her mom's not here.
00:06:55And he said, okay, well, I'll just leave them.
00:06:57I'll just leave these and maybe you can put them inside and you can give them to her when she gets home.
00:07:01I was like, yeah, absolutely.
00:07:02So natural shift in the conversation for him to enter my personal space.
00:07:08And upon him entering my personal space to hand me these items, he hands them with one hand and with the other hand puts a gun to the side of my neck and says, come with me.
00:07:19And so that's if anyone is watching and they have experienced true fight or flight, like that true autonomic nervous system, you know that you don't necessarily get to pick how you respond.
00:07:36And so my response, which I actually forgot for a long time until I was going back through the reports, because I don't remember saying anything.
00:07:48And going back through the reports, I went, stop.
00:07:52And he's like, nope, you're going to come with me.
00:07:55And to the outside observer, it looked like this man had his arm around my neck.
00:08:02So he just had his arm right around here.
00:08:03And the handgun was really small, so couldn't see it.
00:08:07So he walked me around to the driver's side of his car.
00:08:10He opened the driver's door and put the seat forward and said, get in.
00:08:14And I looked in the back seat.
00:08:16There's a large plastic container back there.
00:08:18Like you would store off-season clothing or your Christmas decoration.
00:08:22Kind of.
00:08:22Yeah.
00:08:23Like a plastic Rubbermaid kind of container.
00:08:26And I said, where am I supposed to go?
00:08:29He said, get in the container.
00:08:31And so I did.
00:08:32So I got in the container.
00:08:33He loosely kind of set the lid on, put the seat back, got in the car, backed out of the driveway.
00:08:39And so I instantly kind of intuitively, again, my parents didn't, this was, I was born in the 80s.
00:08:48Like our parents were not giving us any sort of like conversation like we have with our kids nowadays.
00:08:55It's, I instinctually somehow knew what was going to happen.
00:09:01I knew that grown men don't kidnap teenage girls for anything other than nefarious reasons.
00:09:07And so I also knew that, I instantly knew I'm going to escape.
00:09:14So I had this end vision for how this whole situation was going to play out.
00:09:23And so I viewed the entire experience through that.
00:09:26And so I said, when I escape, I'm going to need to know where I am.
00:09:31And so I started paying attention to the turns.
00:09:33So smart.
00:09:34Yeah.
00:09:35And again, it was instinctual.
00:09:37Totally.
00:09:37One of the things that people are kind of blown away.
00:09:40Did your parents tell you to do this?
00:09:41Right.
00:09:42Not at all.
00:09:42This was survival instinct.
00:09:44Right.
00:09:44And this is something that everyone really has.
00:09:47Yeah.
00:09:47So I was paying attention to the turns and pretty much knew where we were.
00:09:52And then when I felt us get on the highway, I was like, okay, no way I'm going to know where
00:09:57I am.
00:09:57So what other things can I, can I lock into my brain?
00:10:01I don't know how they're going to be useful, but somehow they'll be useful.
00:10:04And so, okay, I can memorize this serial number that's on the inside of this container.
00:10:08I can figure out, I can listen to the radio station that he is listening to and memorize
00:10:15that.
00:10:16Like I can tell what time of day it is.
00:10:17Just any little thing that I could remember to lend details to this story for when I escaped.
00:10:23And so, so he drove for a little while, um, got off the interstate, pulled over, kind
00:10:29of took the lid off and put a ball gag in my mouth and, uh, told me to scream as loud
00:10:35as I could.
00:10:35And he said, okay, good.
00:10:37Kind of put the lid back on.
00:10:39Yeah.
00:10:39And then drove for a couple more minutes.
00:10:41I know.
00:10:42I know.
00:10:44It's, it's, and now I have children and I'm just, oh, uh, yeah, it's, it hits different.
00:10:50Of course.
00:10:51Of course.
00:10:51Yeah.
00:10:51And I have a daughter now.
00:10:52I have sons and recently had a daughter.
00:10:54And so it's, it's, it's different now.
00:10:57Absolutely.
00:10:58But he drove for a couple more minutes and, uh, parked the car.
00:11:02He said, I'm going to get out of the car and you have to be quiet.
00:11:05And he came back after a minute or two and picked up the container with me in it, carried
00:11:12it a couple steps, set it down and drug it.
00:11:16And I could tell it was being drug over concrete.
00:11:18And then I could feel it go up over a threshold to what was, what I found out was his apartment.
00:11:24And so, um, that began an 18 hour ordeal where I was with this stranger.
00:11:30I was his victim of opportunity.
00:11:32I eventually found out that, um, I was just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time,
00:11:39to be quite honest.
00:11:40So, so he didn't, he wasn't stalking you at all.
00:11:42Like it wasn't a, not me, not me.
00:11:45He was the kind of person who did stalk victims and he actually tried to approach a couple
00:11:53of other girls that day and was unsuccessful.
00:11:56And so I just happened to be there.
00:11:59Nobody was on the street.
00:12:01Right.
00:12:02Uh, well, the neighbor was in the backyard and saw me get in the car and he, I wasn't
00:12:08kicking or screaming.
00:12:09So he said, well, it looked like she was going willingly.
00:12:12This is the kind of car.
00:12:13And this was at the inception of Amber alerts.
00:12:17And so this would have been a perfect opportunity for an Amber alert, but the, it wasn't really
00:12:25widespread like it is now because they knew what the man looked like.
00:12:28They knew what the car looked like.
00:12:29But I was, when my friend got out of the shower and she saw that I wasn't there, she
00:12:34called her mom.
00:12:36She called my mom.
00:12:36She called my boyfriend and no one knew where I was.
00:12:39So obviously they contacted law enforcement who then talked to the neighbor and they were
00:12:43like, oh, well, she must've gone willingly.
00:12:45She must be a runway.
00:12:47Okay.
00:12:47And no, they didn't take plates or anything.
00:12:49Cause that wasn't really a great, no, no, they didn't take plates or nothing.
00:12:53And how, sorry, how long was that car ride?
00:12:56Do you know?
00:12:57Um, so now knowing about how I know where I was, um, and where I was taken from.
00:13:03Um, so probably 15, 20 minutes.
00:13:06Okay.
00:13:07Okay.
00:13:07Um, it just must've felt like, yeah, I can't even imagine.
00:13:11It, it was very surreal.
00:13:13It's, you know, I, I find that whenever you're in these fight or flight situations, um, time
00:13:22is an illusion really.
00:13:23Like, like it's, it goes slow.
00:13:26It goes fast.
00:13:27It's like, um, it's, it's so weird.
00:13:30Sometimes it feels like it's like slowed down and slow motion.
00:13:34And, um, so, so yeah, so I was in his apartment for 18 hours and during those 18 hours, I was
00:13:42salted multiple times.
00:13:44He told me when I'm done with you, heavy air quotes, when I'm done with you, I'm going
00:13:50to take you somewhere where you don't know where you are, I'm going to let you go.
00:13:53And then it's your decision if you go to law enforcement or not.
00:13:57And you're always known as the girl who was, that was like one of the things that he said.
00:14:02Um, also let's watch the news and see if anyone misses you.
00:14:06Oh my God.
00:14:08Yeah.
00:14:08And of course I wasn't on the news because, um, I was a runaway and there wasn't an Amber
00:14:14alert.
00:14:14And, but I knew, I knew that my family knew that I wasn't a runaway.
00:14:19I knew they were worried.
00:14:20And, um, and I also knew that at some point this person was going to let his guard down.
00:14:28You can't be vigilant all the time.
00:14:30And so everyone's heard fight or flight.
00:14:34There's, there's, it's actually been expanded in the last couple of years to fight, flight,
00:14:39freeze.
00:14:39And some people say appease, but, um, I think fawn is a little more, or some people say
00:14:46fawn.
00:14:46I think appease is more accurate because, uh, my, my response was exactly that to appease.
00:14:54And so what that means for anyone who's like, I don't, I don't know what that means.
00:14:59It's basically this.
00:15:01If you think of two dogs interacting and you have one dog that's very much more dominant
00:15:07and more powerful, and then you have the other dog that's more submissive and that dog
00:15:12kind of stays low, tucks its head.
00:15:16It might show its belly.
00:15:17It shows that it's not a threat so that it doesn't get injured by the more dominant dog.
00:15:22So that's a perfect example of what appease is.
00:15:24So for me, what that looked like is I'm going to go along with what he wants me to do.
00:15:31Um, I'm going to ask him if I can sweep his kitchen while he's making dinner.
00:15:36I'm going to have conversations with him.
00:15:39I was able to remain very calm because a really cool thing that our brain does in trauma very
00:15:46often is it will shut down that emotional brain.
00:15:51And it does that so that you can be very analytical.
00:15:54So I could have a conversation with him and find out that he was in the military.
00:15:59I could try to gather information from the magnets on his refrigerator.
00:16:05That was his doctor and his dentist to the animals that were in the apartment to when
00:16:11I was in the bathroom, seeing feminine hygiene products and hairspray and a hairbrush with
00:16:15long red hair.
00:16:16So I'm gathering all of this information to try to identify him or, you know, notice that
00:16:24there's these things in the bathroom that indicate that a woman lives here at least in part.
00:16:29And so trying to gather all of this information for when I do escape while I'm outwardly appeasing
00:16:37him and trying to remain calm because I knew at some point he's probably going to go to sleep
00:16:43and that's going to be my best, my best opportunity.
00:16:46And so that, that proved to be true.
00:16:49So he restrained me for bed and, um, and he had given me a Valium at that point.
00:16:56And so I fell asleep.
00:16:58Um, I had handcuffs on my wrist that had a, like a, call it a, it's a quick link.
00:17:04It's like a carabiner with like a screw clasp on it.
00:17:07Yeah.
00:17:08So a quick link around the middle of the handcuffs that was attached to a rope that
00:17:12was tied to the frame of the bed.
00:17:14And then I had a leg restraint on my right leg that was attached to the foot of the bed.
00:17:19And so under all of those circumstances, I fell asleep for a few hours, not very long,
00:17:26woke up very early in the morning and recognized that this was it.
00:17:32This was the moment that I had been waiting for and he was never going to be more complacent
00:17:37than when he was asleep.
00:17:37And so he was asleep in the bed next to me and I recognized I have to get my hands free
00:17:45first, couldn't squeeze my hands out of the handcuffs.
00:17:48So I actually had to use my teeth to unscrew the quick link, slid my handcuff, the handcuffs
00:17:54up and out of that kind of shimmied down my leg, disconnected the leg restraint, slid out
00:18:01of bed.
00:18:02I think I can't remember at what point I was eventually able to squeeze one of my hands
00:18:08out of the handcuffs and the front door was some kind of barricaded more or less.
00:18:14There's just like a lot of stuff in the way.
00:18:16Oh God.
00:18:17Yeah.
00:18:17So he's literally, this is a maybe 600 square foot apartment.
00:18:24Oh, so tiny.
00:18:24Yeah.
00:18:25And so the other side of the wall from the front door is his bedroom where he's asleep
00:18:31and then he's sleeping in a bed that's right next to a window that looks out on the front
00:18:36door.
00:18:36And so I knew I had to be extremely quiet and I had one shot at this and somehow kudos to
00:18:44adrenaline and, and God, I don't like.
00:18:48Yeah.
00:18:48Sun angel, guardian angel.
00:18:50Yes, I was able to move everything, unlock the door and throw it open all in one fell
00:18:57swoop.
00:18:58And, and I just thought he's going to wake up.
00:19:01He's going to grab the gun that's on his nightstand and he's going to look out the window and he's
00:19:05going to shoot me in the back.
00:19:07And I thought, but, but that's okay because I'm out and somebody is going to find him at
00:19:12least he'll get caught.
00:19:13And so I had straight up tunnel vision.
00:19:17I looked around, saw a car driving across the parking lot and, and just ran out in front
00:19:22of it and flagged it down.
00:19:24There were two men inside.
00:19:25And I said, I was kidnapped and I escaped from that apartment and I turned around and
00:19:30pointed to it.
00:19:31And I said, remember that apartment because they all look the same.
00:19:35Yeah.
00:19:35And they said, it was like a town or condo townhouse kind of situation.
00:19:39Yeah.
00:19:39Um, well is, uh, apartments like two stories apartments.
00:19:43Yeah.
00:19:44With exterior entrances.
00:19:46Got it.
00:19:47And so I knew all I knew is it was a bottom left apartment and, and they said, okay, what
00:19:53do you want us to do?
00:19:54Where do you want to go?
00:19:54And I said, take me to law enforcement.
00:19:57So, so they take me there more or less drop me off in the parking lot.
00:20:02Oh, what?
00:20:04They didn't come in with you?
00:20:06No.
00:20:07Oh, were you scared?
00:20:08Like, was it cause it was two men?
00:20:10Were you like now in that situation where you were like, uh, now I'm scared to get in
00:20:14a car with two men or were you just like, I wasn't something that I get asked regularly
00:20:19because I think that would be a very normal reaction.
00:20:22But no, I, at that point I was like, you're the only people out here.
00:20:26So it's a, it's very early, maybe like six, six and seven in the morning.
00:20:30So not a lot of people play the odds.
00:20:32It's like, yeah, this happened.
00:20:35What's the chance of it happening again?
00:20:37I would say it's not zero, but it's low.
00:20:40Absolutely.
00:20:41Absolutely.
00:20:41Dark humor is a great mechanism.
00:20:44I, yeah, I understand.
00:20:45Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:46Absolutely.
00:20:47And no, sorry.
00:20:48Sorry.
00:20:48Continue.
00:20:49No, it's okay.
00:20:50So I run into the sheriff's department.
00:20:54Uh, it's a region.
00:20:55So like a substation.
00:20:56So they're not like staffed 24 hours a day.
00:21:00They're not really staffed period.
00:21:01It's just kind of like a place they can get together and meet.
00:21:04And so get to the region and I'm running through and I hear a little voice, a little voice.
00:21:09No, I hear, I hear a voice saying, ma'am, excuse me, can I help you, ma'am?
00:21:13And go in there.
00:21:15There's one deputy in there.
00:21:17And I say, my name's Kara Robinson.
00:21:20I was kidnapped and I escaped.
00:21:23And, um, the two men that brought me in know the apartment complex and the apartment that
00:21:29I came out of.
00:21:30And he said, okay, well, let's, let's sit down.
00:21:33Let's get your information.
00:21:34We'll look you up.
00:21:35Has trouble finding me in NCIC, which is the national combined index for crime database.
00:21:41So it's where they list missing cars, stolen cars, missing persons, et cetera.
00:21:45And having some trouble looking me up eventually finds me in there.
00:21:51And he's like, okay, uh, eventually after I'm there for like 10 minutes, uh, calls my
00:21:58mom and tells her that I'm there and she's on the way.
00:22:03And he just, he, uh, lets an investigator know.
00:22:08So the investigator is on the way and the investigator gets there and he removes the
00:22:14handcuff from my other wrist and he says, so we talked to the men that brought you in
00:22:19and they don't know the apartment that you came out of.
00:22:23I was like, awesome.
00:22:24One job, one job.
00:22:26I did like a thousand things and they couldn't do that one.
00:22:29Right.
00:22:30Right.
00:22:30One job guys.
00:22:31Um, so do you think that if we go back, you could point out the apartment?
00:22:37No, like I kind of doubt it, but I'm willing to try.
00:22:41And so get in the car with the investigator.
00:22:42We go over there as expected.
00:22:44They all look the same.
00:22:46Yeah.
00:22:46And, but we do see a man that's like a maintenance kind of man driving around on golf cart.
00:22:52And I say, okay, so it's a bottom left apartment.
00:22:56These are the animals that are in the apartment.
00:22:59This is what the inside of the apartment looks like.
00:23:00This is what the man looks like.
00:23:01This is the car that he drives and there's a woman with long red hair that lives there with him.
00:23:07And he goes, I'm pretty sure I knew what apartment that is.
00:23:09So instantly he's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I know.
00:23:13So I go back to the sheriff's department and my mom's there.
00:23:16She takes me to the hospital to get the exam done.
00:23:20And while I'm there, investigators bring me a photo lineup.
00:23:24So fairly quickly, they're able to identify who he is.
00:23:27And I immediately identify my captor and find out his name for the first time.
00:23:31It's Richard Marka Bonnets, and he's obviously not at the apartment.
00:23:36So I get the kit done.
00:23:39I go home and giving statements, having all of these interactions with law enforcement over the next couple of days.
00:23:44And all I really know during that time is he is nowhere to be found.
00:23:50I'm not getting a lot of updates, even though I was always like 13 going on 30.
00:23:57I was always very mature and I essentially gave them the information to like solve the case.
00:24:03But I'm not getting updates, really.
00:24:06And except we don't know where he is until one morning.
00:24:10I wake up in the morning and find out that they not only found him, but he's killed himself.
00:24:16And so his sister more or less turned him in and an operation was set up in Florida.
00:24:25So all of this happened in South Carolina.
00:24:28He was going to meet his sister in Florida.
00:24:32He somehow got spooked and I guess noticed that there was law enforcement there.
00:24:38Led them on a police chase that ended in them deploying stop sticks, blowing out his tires, and he shot himself.
00:24:47So, yeah, I was I was immediately just I was pissed.
00:24:53Like I was going to say, I was like, I did all of this.
00:24:57Yeah.
00:24:57And I wanted I wanted to sit in a courtroom and I wanted him to look at me and know that not only was he outsmarted by a 15 year old girl, but that I was the biggest mistake that he ever made and that I was his downfall.
00:25:19I wanted that that like justice that like in your face.
00:25:23I'm not just the girl that was I'm the girl that was smarter than you.
00:25:26And I wanted him to know that his victim of opportunity was was just the worst decision that he ever made.
00:25:33And so I was really pissed off for a really long time.
00:25:37But eventually I realized that by him taking his life, I was spared a trial.
00:25:43So there's certain details that would have come out in a trial of things that happened in the apartment that my parents, the media, my friends, my boyfriend.
00:25:55Never had to hear those details.
00:25:57And so so I was thankful for that.
00:26:02And law enforcement, whenever they serve the search warrant on his house, found some pretty disturbing information that led them to believe that he may be linked to some other homicides that were unsolved in Virginia.
00:26:15So they immediately notified the task force for those homicides who came down, collected evidence.
00:26:21And this all happened in June of 2002.
00:26:24By August, he was positively identified as the person responsible for Katie and Kristen Lisk and Sophia Silva in 1996 and 1997.
00:26:34And so so so I effectually ended the career of a serial killer.
00:26:42My belief is that he was responsible for much more.
00:26:46And that was something that he more or less told his sister whenever he was on the run.
00:26:51But as of today, he has not been connected to anything else, which is now the reason why I'm mad that he took his own life, because I genuinely believe that he would have confessed to other things that happened.
00:27:06So for other people and everything.
00:27:09Yeah.
00:27:09Yeah.
00:27:09Yeah.
00:27:09So so that's I guess that's not that wasn't.
00:27:13Is that it?
00:27:14Oh, my gosh.
00:27:16No, no.
00:27:16No, I think.
00:27:18No, thank you so much for saying all.
00:27:20Sorry.
00:27:20Continue.
00:27:21No.
00:27:22Through that.
00:27:24I think that's the thing that most people want to hear about.
00:27:27But I find in these stories, the interesting things are not these things that someone else chose to do.
00:27:35Someone else chose to kidnap me, chose me and would have murdered me.
00:27:40Yes.
00:27:41Like that would have happened.
00:27:43But I think the interesting thing in these stories and what really sticks with us and empowers us is what people do afterwards.
00:27:52Absolutely.
00:27:52And so for me, I had many interactions with law enforcement and most notably had I was kidnapped from one county and I was found in the neighboring county or I escaped in the neighboring county.
00:28:06So had interactions with two different law enforcement jurisdictions.
00:28:09And one sheriff said 24 hours later was at my house and said, well, you know, that guy was going to kill you, right?
00:28:20Like, you know, you should be dead right now, which we didn't know at that time.
00:28:26No, right.
00:28:27Like he was not identified as the person responsible for those homicides.
00:28:31Um, but also like, was it necessary?
00:28:34No.
00:28:35Was it empowering?
00:28:36Was it helpful?
00:28:37No, it was, it was completely unnecessary to say that.
00:28:40Um, yeah.
00:28:41And then I have the county that I was recovered and that I, that actually handled the case.
00:28:48That sheriff was like, I'm so proud of you.
00:28:52Like you are so brave.
00:28:55He took me with them to give an award to the men that took me to the sheriff's department.
00:28:59He gave me awards for bravery the next summer.
00:29:02He called my mom and said, do you think Kara would like a summer job working at the sheriff's department?
00:29:08Oh, and so I did.
00:29:09So I went doing administrative work and worked at the sheriff's department all through high school and college.
00:29:17And he more or less became like another father figure for me.
00:29:21Like he'd come and check my grades every semester.
00:29:24He'd show up at my desk.
00:29:25He'd be like, let me see your report card.
00:29:26Oh, yeah.
00:29:28Oh, that's awesome.
00:29:30Yeah.
00:29:30He has, he has, uh, daughters.
00:29:32And so I just became another one of those, uh, for all intents and purposes.
00:29:36And so whenever it was time for me to graduate from college, he said, well, you'll always have a job here doing whatever you want.
00:29:44And he said, um, do you want to be a school resource officer?
00:29:47Because I was thinking about being a teacher.
00:29:49I was going to change my major and my fourth year, of course, as one does.
00:29:54As you do.
00:29:55Because, you know, I, I was majoring in psychology, which tell me you have trauma, uh, just major in psychology or get therapy.
00:30:03Yes.
00:30:03Oh my goodness.
00:30:04I also did the psychology route and I went into teaching as well for two years in the mind.
00:30:09So I understand.
00:30:10Yeah.
00:30:11Yeah.
00:30:11I was literally, um, like my senior year of college and I was like, maybe I'll change the early education.
00:30:17Um, and so he was like, you know, do you want to be a school resource officer?
00:30:23And I was like, I'll try it.
00:30:25Yeah.
00:30:25And went to the Academy and found out that I loved it.
00:30:30I grew up, I was tomboy.
00:30:31And so I grew up like driving go-karts and, and doing all that stuff.
00:30:36And so the Academy was just like the adult version of this.
00:30:39And everybody wants it to be like this, this big, beautiful story of like, I wanted to have retribution and help people who went through things like me.
00:30:48I'm like, I mean, I liked, um, driving cars.
00:30:51Yeah.
00:30:51Hey, whatever floats your boat.
00:30:53Yeah.
00:30:54It's your life, you know?
00:30:55And, and I, and I essentially grew up there too.
00:30:58So it was a family for me.
00:31:00And so, um, so went to work at the sheriff's department and worked there as a school resource officer and then transitioned to investigations.
00:31:09Where I investigated and child cases and then, uh, eventually moved to victims advocacy.
00:31:17And I worked as a victim's advocate, a sworn victim's advocate until the birth of my first child.
00:31:22And, and then just kind of put a pause on that and it never went back and kind of transitioned what I do to doing keynotes and showing up on social media and this weird world that we live in now.
00:31:37Yeah.
00:31:37Hey, hey, where did you meet your husband?
00:31:39Where did you meet your husband in there?
00:31:40Mm-hmm.
00:31:40Out of curiosity.
00:31:41I met my husband in law enforcement.
00:31:45So, okay.
00:31:46Yeah.
00:31:46So I met him working at the sheriff's department, which, um, funny story.
00:31:51It's like that we both worked at this agency.
00:31:54We both had like a lot of things where we should have met at other times in our lives, like a lot of overlap, but met at the sheriff's department and, uh, we're married within a year.
00:32:03Oh, so just immediately, immediately knew.
00:32:06And, and so forever thankful to the sheriff because not only did he give me a career, a second family, like that's how I met my husband.
00:32:15That's the reason I have my children.
00:32:16And, and, and yeah.
00:32:17Yeah.
00:32:18So that's kind of the, the flyover.
00:32:21Yeah.
00:32:22It's like the, you know, the, the transatlantic flyover.
00:32:25Yeah, for sure.
00:32:27For sure.
00:32:27I mean, yeah, it's, it's hard to even, I mean, you read about it and then you can watch videos, you can watch other people talk about it.
00:32:35But then I don't know, hearing it from you and then just like the point of view from you is so, I, I don't know, I want to say inspiring and also gut wrenching, like listening to you and I, and I'm sorry if it, if it makes you kind of relive it.
00:32:50I'm sure you've said this story so, so many times, so I really do appreciate you sharing it again.
00:32:55Um, but I think what you said is so impactful and important about, uh, survivors after the fact, because everyone focuses so much on, on just all the shit that happened.
00:33:10And then it's like, okay, that's how they, that's how they're defined, which is so not the case because you're, I mean, I've, I've watched your content now and you're just doing so much other stuff.
00:33:19Like it's, it's so incredible. Um, and, and with your, with your keynote speaking and everything like that, is it, um, where, where do you, what are you doing with, with, with that?
00:33:28So when I first started, it was more or less like, Hey, come and share your story. And it's always been as easy for me to share my story as I'm sharing it with you today.
00:33:38And that's because of that dissociation, that shutting off the emotional impact of what was happening to me in the moment.
00:33:44So I went and shared as much as I was asked. And I did that up until I had my, my first son and realized I wanted to put a pause on that.
00:33:54And, and I wanted to pause it because I was like, I, I don't really know why I'm sharing. I'm sharing because people are asking.
00:34:02Yeah. And I was asked to be interviewed by Elizabeth smart. And I thought I would do that because I feel like she's not going to do to me what a lot of other producers and media sources have done to me, which is, um, well, can you retell this part of your story, but put a little more emotion into it.
00:34:26Um, yeah, right. And, and so, yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty horrific. And so, um, so I was like, I'll do, I'll, I'll do that interview. And when I did that interview, I recognized that I was in a very unique position at that point that a lot of people don't get to be in, which is, I was sitting across from someone who understood things that I didn't always know how to put into words.
00:34:54And so that kind of became my why that I wanted other people to be able to experience these positive things that I did. And once you know your final destination, once you know your why it becomes a lot easier to navigate there. It's like getting in your car. If you don't know where you're going, you're just going to drive around aimlessly, which was what I was doing.
00:35:16And, and, and so once I knew my why I knew that I was going to be doing keynotes to educate, to inspire, to uplift. And my favorite keynotes to give are always to law enforcement, because I think it's, it's so important for law enforcement to know that they can make minor changes in the way that they speak to people.
00:35:42And it can impact how someone views themselves. If they identify as a victim, if they identify as a survivor, if they identify as someone who is defined by what happened, but that's not defined.
00:35:55And, and, and so I do that. And I also share to nonprofits and just, it's essentially anyone who I can share with. It's, it's still that, but really just keeping the central message of like going from being a victim to like this place of valor.
00:36:16Yeah. And, and so it's, it's, it's, it's fun. It's one of the most rewarding things that I do. Every time I do it, I, I've had a little bit of a break because I had a baby and congratulations, by the way.
00:36:29Thank you. She's perfect. And, uh, took a little bit of a break and I'm like, I'm ready. I'm ready to do it again because every time I do a keynote, I'm like, ah, this is, this is what it's about.
00:36:39Yeah. Because I think if, if we can learn from other people's stories, how to do better than, and especially how to empower people, because let's be honest, no one gets through their life without something difficult happening.
00:36:53Yeah. So like, what does it look like to pick yourself up by your bootstraps and, and not be defined by these difficult things that happen? And, and so that's kind of the backbone of what I do, but then do a lot of one-on-one advocacy work and, and, um, social media.
00:37:11Yeah.
00:37:12It's yes. Who does that?
00:37:17Yuck.
00:37:17Like, no, but it is, it is truly so impactful. And what you said about the book, the two police officers said, said, I think it's so interesting because as soon as you said that, I was like, like, so heart wrenching. Like how dare, just the insensitivity. And I, I, I, I've read so many cases where people, or, or even belittled about like, well, it wasn't that bad. Well, it was only the same.
00:37:41Right.
00:37:41Right. Which I don't know if you've experienced that to me. Yeah. So only 18 hours.
00:37:47Oh my gosh. Like it's just only 18 hours because I escaped.
00:37:51Yes. And it trickles down to, to, to your event, to other people, to other people that have experienced a, a, or, or any other sort of, then it's just like, it's, it's not bad enough. It's not this. So it's just, I think.
00:38:05Because we're so desensitized, right. Because there's so many horrific stories that we can consume at any given moment. And, um, I know that like true crime is the number one, like fastest growing genre in media.
00:38:22Yeah. And I, I honestly don't know how people consume it at the rate that they do. Like, I, I don't personally consume it because I've lived it. Right. Like fair enough.
00:38:32I've lived it in two different realms. I lived it and I investigated it and I worked in it. And so to me, I'm just, it's just not something that's compelling to me. But, um, but I mean, and I also don't, I don't know if things are done ethically and I can't consciously consume something unless I know it is an ethical production.
00:38:50And so I recently consumed, uh, two true crime docu-series that I knew were done ethically and, or were about people that I personally know. And, um, I thought about it for, for like a week. It can, they consumed my thoughts and I was like, how do people do this?
00:39:10Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:11It's so weird.
00:39:12No, you're, you know, you're right. And people do get desensitized. And, and for me personally, I mean, my mother was dateline cops. That's all we watched as kids. And then I went into criminology and psychology and all that.
00:39:25And I think the psychological and aspect of, I've had my own stuff happen and, and that aspect of it is very interesting, but also in a, in a, in a, in the frame of mind of speaking to other victims and talking about people's stories and, and bringing awareness to it is, is where I come from in that sense.
00:39:49But there's, there are so many people that just tell the story and they're like, subscribe and ended up. And it's like, Ash, not subscribe, but okay.
00:39:58What? Um, yeah, no, there is a very fine line. And I think people need to be careful with, with how they, with how they go about it as well, which is a very, very good point.
00:40:09Um, and yeah, no, I think, I think everything you do is so, so incredible. And I, and I also want to make sure that everybody knows where to find you as well. So what, what's, what's your, what's your plug? What's your hand?
00:40:22Yeah. Um, so I am all up on the internet. Yeah. I am. I'm just like, no, I know you get it. Um,
00:40:33I totally get it. Uh, it's, it's when people are like, what is your job? I'm like, I hate, yeah.
00:40:40Like when I'm traveling people, I'm like, Oh, I'm traveling for work. And they're like, what do you do?
00:40:44And I'm like, social media star, you know, speaker because I was kidnapped when I was 15.
00:40:49Like, why do you tell people that? No, you can't. Yeah. It's so weird. I have to have like an elevator pitch,
00:40:54um, which is like when I don't want to have that conversation. Yeah.
00:40:59So I am mostly on Instagram and Tik TOK, uh, trying to branch into other things, but my handle
00:41:05and all of the places is Kara Robinson, Chamberlain. I have a website, Kara Robinson,
00:41:09Chamberlain. I host a podcast with my friend and fellow survivor, Kimberly Corbin. It's called
00:41:14survivor's guide to true crime. Um, because we felt like captive audience was maybe a little too dark
00:41:21as our podcast name. So we're like, it was captive audience was the, the name.
00:41:28That's amazing. Yeah. So we saved it for our Patriot.
00:41:33We'll let the people who pay be our captive audience. That's really good.
00:41:37We're like, we got to capture those analytics. So survivor's guide to true crime is like our,
00:41:42you know, our public appearance. And we're like captive audience. We, uh, we couldn't let it go.
00:41:47No, that's great. I love that so much. And I glazed over the fact there's a, there's a movie
00:41:53about this whole endeavor. There's a people magazine there. So whenever I met Elizabeth and
00:42:02I recognized that I wanted to do more keynotes, do more media, things like that. I realized that I
00:42:08needed something to point people to like, here's my story. Here's how you consume it. And so I asked
00:42:14Elizabeth if she had a recommendation for a production company, which she did. And so I worked
00:42:19with them and was an executive producer on my documentary, which is escaping captivity,
00:42:23the Kara Robinson story. And then about a year later, someone approached me from lifetime and
00:42:30they asked if I wanted to do a movie, went back to my, my friends at the production company and said,
00:42:36you know, got this, got this message. And I've never really been interested in a movie,
00:42:40to be honest, because I don't like, um, like recreations and drama. And I said, but I would
00:42:47trust you guys to do it because I know you're ethical. I know that I would be involved, which
00:42:53is very important when survivors are telling their stories. And so they were like, yeah, if you want
00:42:58to do it, like, let's do it. And so went and did a movie and was involved from the very inception to the
00:43:07end. And, and that's called, uh, the girl who escaped the Kara Robinson story. And so both of
00:43:13those are online. They're both on Apple. I know. Um, and then the movie is on Hulu and it's all over
00:43:22the place. If you Google it. Yeah, for sure. But I'm glad to hear it on Tik TOK. Yeah. Of course.
00:43:27Of course. Freaking Tik TOK next to, um, ASMR videos of someone playing with like putty or something.
00:43:34Um, don't even talk to me about ASMR, man. I just went on a rant on Tik TOK about how much I hate
00:43:39as ASMR people eating ones. Uh, I hate it so much. It makes me physically mad. Like we'll just do it.
00:43:48My, my movie or my videos. And it's, you know, like someone like brushing air and I'm like,
00:43:54this is weird. It's just like, put these things together. No, no, it's just, yeah. TikTok's a horrible
00:44:00place. And I could say that cause we're on YouTube right now. Yeah. It has become very
00:44:06different and, um, it's different. Yeah. And navigating social media and stuff after,
00:44:11after all this has happened. How, how has that been? How has it been? Cause it's a gross place.
00:44:17Sometimes it depends on the day to be honest. Um, when I was kind of getting back into this,
00:44:26I knew that I had to have a following more or less, right? Like if I want to do a movie,
00:44:34if I want to do keynote speaking, people have to know who I am. And so at that point,
00:44:39tick tock was just arriving on the scene and Instagram, I was like, I'm a little fish in a
00:44:45gigantic, I mean, in the ocean basically, uh, Facebook, you YouTube again, again, you know,
00:44:52like old people don't worry about that. Um, and then YouTube again, like a tiny fish in the ocean.
00:44:59And so I was like, but this tick tock thing might work. And so started there and pretty quickly went
00:45:06viral with content and, and began to make connections. So I hate to be like, like an old
00:45:14timer, like back when my day. Um, but then it was, it was just like this incredibly amazing,
00:45:25supportive place, which I'm sure you experienced then. Like in its inception, there were no trolls.
00:45:33There was no other place on the internet like that. And, and so I was making connections with
00:45:39people. Like I will never forget one woman that I shepherded her through my inbox into leaving a
00:45:48trafficking situation. Like I talked to her through the entire process and like helped her leave and
00:45:56helped her find help and gave her the courage to, to do something that was very, very difficult and
00:46:03made my, one of my best friends in the world, my podcast cohost, I made a friend there, Kim Corbin.
00:46:08Um, so it's, it's been very interesting. And I think we are in this unique
00:46:16age where you can kind of the beauty of social media now is that the algorithm automatically
00:46:22serves your content to the people who need to hear your content. Yeah. And, and so,
00:46:29so as long as I keep talking about it in, in ways that help people, then they're receiving it. And
00:46:37obviously, um, through the movie, it kind of blew up and, uh, the actress that played me, Katie Douglas
00:46:45has a very much cult following. And so, so ended up with a ton of younger people, which has been
00:46:54different to me to interact with them. They, they, you know, I shudder to think what it would be like
00:47:00if, if I would have been on Tik Tok at, I can't, I can't even imagine. I don't like to think about it.
00:47:06I'm glad I was 12. There's like very young children on, on Tik Tok and, um, yeah. And they're like,
00:47:14yeah, I wasn't even born when this happened. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And with kid having kids now,
00:47:20with how old, how older are your kids? My oldest, it will be 11 next month. Okay. So how do you feel with
00:47:26friends? Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, no, they can't have social media. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's,
00:47:33I mean, I'm kidless and I'm like, they'll never have it. Right. I'm like, no, they, they barely,
00:47:39like I have all of their stuff just locked down. It's a scary world. I think it is, you know, we,
00:47:44we, um, we think that I think the world is changing, but I think historically we have been afraid of,
00:47:52you know, the person with the free candy man or, you know, with the missing puppy. Um, but really
00:47:58our children, if they're going to be a victim of a stranger assault, which is fairly rare. Um,
00:48:06if they're going to be a victim of a stranger assault at this point, it's coming from online,
00:48:10it's not coming from riding around looking for a victim of opportunity. There's way to bring cameras
00:48:14for that. Um, so, so realistically, um, it's one of the questions I get a ton is what is parenting
00:48:23look like with your story? And, um, and I think it's made me a more conscious parent. I think there's
00:48:31a lot of stuff that I maybe would not have discussed, or I would have handled differently
00:48:36with my children because we're really big on consent. Uh, it's, you know, oh, you don't want to hug
00:48:43that person. Cool. Don't hug them. Uh, we're really big on proper anatomical terms. Like my oldest,
00:48:50he was two and he was like, you have a vagina. And I was like, bro, I do like way to go.
00:49:00So, you know, like we're, yeah, because we don't, if there's ever a situation where God forbid my
00:49:06children, I don't want there to be any confusion about what was touched and what was wrong. And,
00:49:13and we have very, especially now that my, my boys are getting older, we have very open
00:49:17conversations about like, Hey, your friends are on Roblox. And the reason you're not on Roblox
00:49:23is because that's where predators live. Absolutely. Like a percent so many. Yeah. And they, they know,
00:49:30like, Hey, I'm going to take a video of you doing something maybe to, to tell a point,
00:49:35but I'm not going to show your face. I'm not going to share your name. I, um, I want to protect their
00:49:41privacy because I think that we are learning or we will be learning the implications of sharing
00:49:47thousands of images. And when we talk about like AI deep fakes, I can't even,
00:49:53I can't even think of the implications of sharing images of my children. Um, so we have a lot of
00:49:59very open conversations about, uh, kind of why we do the things that we do and, and they know my story
00:50:07to like an age appropriate level, obviously at eight and 10, almost 11, my boys can't necessarily
00:50:17comprehend what is, but they know that someone took me from my mommy and daddy. And that's why
00:50:25we have standards and we have rules because we want to keep them safe, which I can't do my job and live
00:50:32in the same house with them and have, you know, awards behind me. I have to be all these things,
00:50:37obviously. And I think that they're, they're better for that. And ultimately I don't want
00:50:43my children to be victims. And so I'm laying the groundwork for that, but I'm also trying to lay
00:50:48the groundwork for them to not be offenders. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. With having boys and
00:50:55and you're just like, you, you can't not think about that. Of course, of course. And obviously,
00:51:01I mean, it's, it sounds like they're going to be like the most gentlemanly respectful.
00:51:07I hope so. Like some days I, I question eight and 11. I mean, I'm sure they're just like little
00:51:12terrors at some points. They're, they're great, but sometimes I'm like, Ooh, you might be a sociopath.
00:51:18Yeah. You're looking for it constantly. I'm sure everybody I'm, I'm assuming, do you,
00:51:24do you find that you overanalyze a lot of like people that you meet?
00:51:29Or no, I actually have a, have a kind of funny story about that. So I did, um, a podcast conference,
00:51:37I think it's podcast movement about a year and a half ago. And I was there with Kim Corbin and we
00:51:44were talking to this guy that attended our session. And after we stepped away, she was like,
00:51:49well, that guy was creepy. And I was like, Oh, he was, she was like, Oh, he had like major serial
00:51:54killer vibes. And I was like, I don't pick up on those. I think we've established. I don't pick
00:51:59up on serial killer vibes. So I didn't get those vibes. You're just empathetic. You just like,
00:52:06like, I don't know. He seemed weird. I guess I don't know. He's probably a nice guy. He probably had a bad day.
00:52:11Yeah. She was like, his, his background photo was a photo of him. And I was like,
00:52:17yeah, that's kind of weird. She's like, I saw his phone background and it was a photo of
00:52:23himself. And I was like, I mean, I, I guess. Okay. That's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.
00:52:31But I don't pick up on those. You just see the best in everybody or try to, I guess,
00:52:35give everybody the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. I question like, is it trauma or is it autism on a
00:52:40regular basis? Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I, I have no idea. I might have a little bit of autism
00:52:47or it might just be trauma. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Yeah. That's fair. My, my partner is,
00:52:53has, has autism as well. And the way he navigates the world, the way I navigate the world are so
00:52:58different. And he does that. He's just kind of like, doesn't really look into anything as much.
00:53:03He's just like, no, they're fine or whatever. I'm like, they let me, I'm just like, I'm in the shit
00:53:09all the time. Overanalyzing everything. So it's not balanced. Is your husband similar or is he like?
00:53:15Uh, he's, uh, he definitely has some ADHD. He was, um, he was in the military. He was special
00:53:22forces in the military. Okay. And he also, um, went on and did contract work. And so he's like
00:53:30been, and then working at the sheriff's department as well. He's been exposed to like the worst of the
00:53:34worst. So he kind of like thinks everyone is okay. So you got that balance. Yeah. He thinks everyone's
00:53:40negative. So, um, and yeah, it's, it's funny whenever we talk about, I'm like, I'm pretty sure
00:53:46I'm autistic. And he's like, absolutely not. There's no way you're autistic. And I'm like,
00:53:50how often in a conversation do you think about eye contact? And he was like, what are you talking
00:53:54about? Yeah. So never that's like 80% of my brain capacity in a conversation is how much eye contact
00:54:03am I making? I'm like pretty sure. Yeah. Hey man. I mean, the spectrum is like, yeah, the spectrum
00:54:09is, I will like analyze this video with Kara. How often do you think that about eye contact
00:54:16in a conversation? And I guarantee it's, it's a big part of the, the mental capacity there.
00:54:21It is. No, he's, he's always thinking about, uh, the best way to respond and it's over,
00:54:25over analyzing, uh, social interactions to the max. So now everything you're saying is,
00:54:30is on par. I'm not going to diagnose you, but I'm diagnosed, but I'm pretty sure.
00:54:35I have a hat that says undiagnosed, but I'm pretty sure. Pretty autistic. Yeah. I, I, I mean,
00:54:42what, honestly, what's the point in a diagnosis is my opinion. It doesn't matter. It doesn't
00:54:46make a difference in your life. Everyone creates adaptations to get through life.
00:54:52And I think everyone's a little neurotypical, like, I mean, not neurotypical, uh, neurodivergent,
00:54:59I think everyone's a little neurodivergent. When I meet someone that's neurotypical, I'm like,
00:55:04yeah, you're weird. What's your life like?
00:55:07Your shots don't bother you. That's very bizarre. It's rough. So, you know, is it trauma? Is it
00:55:12neurodivergency? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We all have to figure out how to get
00:55:18through our crap in our lives. Yeah. And navigating. Yeah. And so I think that that's,
00:55:23I think that that's one of the beautiful things about showing up on social media that I've found
00:55:28is so many people, they, not everyone can relate to being kidnapped by a serial killer. Thank God.
00:55:35Not everyone can relate to that. Right. No, everyone can relate to having something terrible happen and
00:55:40having to figure out how do I navigate this? What does my life look like going forward?
00:55:45Do I continue to let the decisions of this person control me for the rest of my life? Or do I say,
00:55:53you know, this really crappy thing happened, but not everything happens for a reason. Yeah. I can't
00:55:59stand that, but, but maybe I can see how this made me into the person that I am today.
00:56:10Yeah. And I think that that's, that's like humanity. That's the commonality across humanity
00:56:17is that we all have to figure out this thing called life. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. One
00:56:23event doesn't define you, but how you navigate life after that is like what he said. It's just life.
00:56:29It's just, and, and you, you can sharing your story, I think is going to help literally already
00:56:35has helped millions of people and it will help millions more, which is, I know like that's an
00:56:42incomprehensible number, but truly like, that's what it does. And that's such a crazy thing to think
00:56:47about, but, and yeah, they can take little bits and pieces from, from the story. And, and I think
00:56:53that what your point of just being like, yeah, it happened. And now I am a, a mother of, of three
00:57:00beautiful children. I'm a wife. I've, I'm an advocate. I'm this and this and this, and I'm also
00:57:06a survivor of something that, so it's just, it's, it's beautiful and it's wonderful. And thank you so much
00:57:11for, for sharing everything. Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Just waiting for social media to
00:57:16catch up to like this idea that maybe we can be multifaceted humans that have different things
00:57:23that we do and are interested in and want to talk about. Yes, force it, force it on it.
00:57:31I literally just made a video where, um, you know, I'll make a video. I, my last video that I went viral
00:57:38for was about low contrast makeup, right? Yes. Like totally random. Right. But then every video
00:57:45after that, everyone's showing up and they're like, is it true? You got kidnapped by a serial killer.
00:57:51And I'm like, yeah, literally just made a video and I was like, Hey guys, I'm going to tell you
00:57:56about my curly hair routine. But first, yes, it's true. I cannot buy a serial killer. Yeah.
00:58:00Start every single video that way. Let's go to this workout routine. But first, yes, I get kidnapped
00:58:06by a serial killer. Here's where you can find more information. Yes. I think the more
00:58:12we are showing up authentically as humans online and showing those different facets,
00:58:16people are going to catch up. They're going to, they're going to get it because I've watched people
00:58:21change. Even if we're talking about like one of my big things that I talk about a ton is ethics and true
00:58:27crime. And I have watched since the inception of tick tock, which it was 2020 when everyone was kind of
00:58:352019, 2020, when everyone was started, is that when you started to 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020.
00:58:41That was like peak political chaos. Yeah, like showing up and sharing a story
00:58:47about how good law enforcement was for me at the peak of ACAB. Yeah. And having very difficult
00:58:55conversations with people. And I'm talking about ethics and true crime when no one else is talking
00:59:02about it. Right. And now people are conscious consumers of true crime. And they, they're like,
00:59:08they want to, to consume things that are done ethically. And so it's proof that if we just keep
00:59:17talking about these things, if we just kind of like beat the dead horse, eventually everyone will catch on.
00:59:24Um, because I mean, I've seen it happen. It's just, it takes time. It's, it's hard to be a, uh,
00:59:31like a change maker. It's, it's hard to do that. And, um, especially with a young audience, like it,
00:59:37once you, like you have like our age kind of, and then there you have like the 14, 15, 16 year olds,
00:59:43it's, it'll take a while. I'm trying to figure out like what that looks like. I'm like, I was given that
00:59:49audience for a reason and I need to figure out what that looks like. Yeah, absolutely. It's hard.
00:59:57No, it's yeah. I'm what, what year is I'm 38. Yeah. Like I, I, it's been a really long time since
01:00:05I was a teenager now. Totally. Totally. So yeah, it's different. It really is. It is. But yeah.
01:00:12Awesome. Well, thank you. Awesome. Thank you. I'll talk to you later. Yeah. Have a good rest of your day.
01:00:17See you. Bye. Okay, everybody. I hope you enjoyed that interview. It was so incredibly
01:00:24eyeopening to hear the accounts from the person themselves that actually went through it. And
01:00:30to hear her perspective and how she's going through life now, I think it just paints this picture that
01:00:37not a lot of us get to see. And I think it's really important with a lot of things that we talked about.
01:00:41And I'd also like you to know that all the proceeds from this video are going to a charity
01:00:45of Kara's choice. She's done so much work in advocating for survivors and giving back.
01:00:50And I would just like to do something to help. But I think there's a lot to take away from this
01:00:54interview in terms of just life in general. And just thinking about how you treat people,
01:01:01especially trauma survivors. And just to take into account that any, anything that anybody's ever been
01:01:07through just, you know, being able to put yourself in their shoes or being able to take trauma that
01:01:12you've experienced and being able to get past that. I think Kara is a wonderful example of that.
01:01:18And she's inspired me a lot. So make sure to go check out all of her stuff, show her support
01:01:24in her comment sections, and I will see you a beautiful face in the next video. Okay, bye.
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