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00:00المفربةle المستقبل بأسياد
00:04كل جيدة من فتنزل في غازة
00:09حيث من العمي المستقبل
00:11عميات المستقبل خلال البنقال
00:12فى صلزين من أنحوا أسترابعون
00:15من المملك الصحيق
00:16أغاية أدفقاً آخر
00:20خلال حين الهدية
00:22ما يقلون في حلالها
00:23حين الوضع
00:25Now President Trump seems to be considering yet another new system of aid.
00:32I send this message to US officials. End these things completely. Stop the war entirely
00:42and open the crossings so we can live like other countries. Let our children live.
00:47Trump's special envoy Steve Wyckoff visited GHF sites in Gaza today,
00:52announcing the administration would begin work on a new plan to deliver food.
00:58Though the American ambassador to Israel alongside him praised the GHF's work so far as an incredible feat.
01:07In reality, the scheme designed to sideline the UN has been a deadly disaster,
01:13pushing Gaza into famine-like conditions.
01:17Images of skeletal children riling even traditional allies of Israel.
01:23With deaths from malnutrition soaring, some aid is now being dropped from the air,
01:30for desperate crowds below to scramble over.
01:35Here you can see knives flashing amidst the crowd. Only the strongest have any chance.
01:45More aid trucks are being allowed in too, though most are stripped of their supplies
01:50before they reach their destination.
01:52And UN officials say they still face far too many obstacles from the Israeli authorities.
01:58We still have only still slightly more than a trickle of aid entering.
02:05And the routes that are given to us, the delays that we face, are still very much there.
02:11The routes remain congested, dangerous, and sometimes even impossible completely.
02:17So these kinds of things have to be addressed in order for any difference to actually be felt on the ground.
02:27Hamas has leant into the crisis, today releasing a propaganda video of an Israeli hostage captioned,
02:35They eat what we eat.
02:37We aren't showing their footage of an emaciated aviatar David, seen here prior to October 7th.
02:44Talks on a ceasefire have stalled as the bloodshed continues.
02:50Israeli bombs killing dozens every day.
02:54Here in Khan Yunis, they've gathered to mourn victims of one of the latest strikes.
03:01A plastic bag with body parts.
03:04A child nestled next to parents.
03:07War and hunger are battering this population.
03:11What have our sons and daughters done wrong?
03:15What have the children done to deserve this famine?
03:18International pressure on Israel is rising.
03:23But it's only America who has the power and influence to bring this bloody chapter to an end.
03:30Well, earlier I spoke to David Anderson, a nurse currently working in Gaza with the humanitarian medical aid charity UK Med.
03:38And I began by asking him about the conditions on the ground in what the Global Authority on Hunger has described as a worst case scenario of famine unfolding.
03:48I think what we are at UK Med, what we're beginning to see is an increasing number of children and adults and particularly women who are pregnant coming in in the latter stages of malnutrition.
04:01It's clear that many of these people have had little or no appropriate nutrition for quite some time.
04:07They may have had some food, but the nutritional aspects of that are very deficient.
04:11And that is beginning to show quite remarkably in a lot of the cases that are coming in.
04:15What happens when they come in? I mean, are they recoverable?
04:18We've had some very sad cases recently where patients have come in in the latter stages of severe malnutrition, which is ultimately unrecoverable.
04:29I mean, there are many people who are moving down that pathway now, sadly, which means that even if we had a large scale volume of aid, food, water, appropriate nutrition coming in and medicines, of course,
04:42then a lot of those people would be at a stage that, sadly, they aren't recoverable because their body has become damaged due to the malnutrition.
04:50You know, it leads to increased infections, increased diarrhoea, respiratory diseases, and all that has a massive impact on their ability to recover.
05:00There's been a lot of controversy.
05:01You know, as Israel has said, well, some of the examples that have been put out into the media were people who had prior conditions,
05:11and disabilities.
05:12Presumably, they are precisely the people who are the most vulnerable to malnutrition.
05:17Yeah, absolutely.
05:18People with pre-existing conditions are obviously going to be the people that are most vulnerable to malnutrition.
05:24People with disabilities who can't get to the places where aid may be most available.
05:30It also particularly impacts on children, pregnant women, and, you know, gives significant risks of profound wasting, stunting, increased mortality.
05:42And all that is pretty much irreversible, to be honest.
05:46It becomes very, very difficult to turn the tide on those issues.
05:51Even if we get a large volume of food and appropriate nutrition coming in.
05:55And do you have the emergency, you know, feeding and medication that you need to deal with these patients?
06:04We have shortages of a lot of our supplies.
06:07They have been ordered.
06:09and others have given approval for those to come through.
06:12But it does take quite a significant period for those to get in.
06:14So an order that was placed some four or five months ago still has not reached our facilities.
06:20But it is taking that long for them to actually arrive into Gaza with the backlogs and with the difficulties of getting them, unfortunately, brought in to give us support in exactly the places we need.
06:31When you're treating a man-made famine, what does it make you feel or think about humanity?
06:40So I spent six months in Gaza last year and I was fortunate enough to come back in and work with my wonderful Palestinian colleagues again this year.
06:47And there's a stark difference between, you know, within that 12 months.
06:51It's quite a depressing scene to come back into after, you know, a fairly long period out to see your colleagues, friends, your Palestinian colleagues who are now working really, really hard.
07:02But because of the lack of nutrition, you know, they struggle, their families struggle.
07:07And it fundamentally gives you a little bit of disbelief in us, all of us as humans, to be able to do the right thing for all of our fellow humans at the right time.
07:19It is very difficult. You know, it is a difficult place to work.
07:23And, you know, we would, as UK Med and all the rest of our NGOs in the country, we'd ask for the aid to be delivered in a more systematic manner.
07:32David Anderson, thank you very much.
07:34Thank you.
07:35Well, joining me now from Tel Aviv is Alan Pinkas, a former Israeli diplomat who served as an advisor to two former Israeli prime ministers.
07:43Thank you for joining us. We're at the end of a week here in which some of Israel's allies are now clearly turning on the government with their decisions to recognize a Palestinian state.
07:57The IPC said famine is unfolding in Gaza now. Are any of these facts having an impact on Israeli politics or society?
08:08Well, if you judge Krishnan by Mr. Netanyahu's reactions, he's completely impervious to this.
08:14He seems like he's untouched and unfazed by it. However, there is a critical mass that is being formed.
08:22It's one thing when Norway announces that it would recognize a Palestinian state and quite no disrespect to Norway, but quite another thing when Britain, France and Canada, all three announced within one week that they intend to recognize a Palestinian state.
08:39Even if it's a declarative and symbolic move, it carries weight, on top of which there are 25 countries that three weeks ago signed a joint communique demanding from Israel that the war end.
08:54The missing part is obviously the conspicuous absence of the U.S. from these initiatives.
09:00It takes time for the Trump administration to get their act together.
09:05And Trump is, as we all know now, is both unpredictable and erratic and with a very short attention span or patience.
09:15And so he could say one thing today and reverse himself tomorrow or just ignore the whole thing.
09:21But if Trump puts his mind to it, and this is part of what his envoy, Steve Witkoff, is doing here, to the best of my understanding.
09:29If Trump does decide that it is time to end the war, if he does conclude, Krishnan, that he was misled, and I'm being very mellow and subdued here by calling it misled by Mr. Netanyahu, and promises and pledges have not been kept and fulfilled, then one phone call could end this war.
09:53Believe it or not, one phone call from Trump, and this war will probably end, and that would be more than any other communique from 25 or 55 other countries.
10:05And what about the attitude of Israeli society? Is that shifting at all?
10:10I mean, you know, we've seen David Grossman, the eminent Israeli author, now saying he has to say this is genocide.
10:18Does that kind of thing carry weight in Israel?
10:22Not as much as I'd like, to be honest with you. I mean, we can argue whether or not it is a genocide, whether it is legally, conceptually a genocide, but that's beside the point.
10:35There's hunger, there's starvation, there's famine, there's malnourishment, there's a humanitarian crisis, a catastrophe in Gaza.
10:45For many, many months, Krishna and Israelis willingly ignored what's going on in Gaza.
10:51It was a combination of their devastation, agony, and dejection of what had happened on October 7, 2023.
10:59And then it moved on to caring only about the release, and that's natural, only about the release of the hostages.
11:08But there came a point about six months ago that you would have expected with the reports accumulating and the foreign media reporting and countries expressing their displeasure and condemnations of how Israel is prosecuting the war.
11:24There was a point about six months ago that you would have expected for more Israelis to stand up and say, enough, this is done in our name, and we're not happy with this.
11:34Oddly enough, Krishna, the voices against this came from the military, who were asking and still are asking, as a matter of fact, the government, some hard questions.
11:47What are we doing there? Why is this war going on? What are the political objectives?
11:52And if there aren't any, we'd like to formally declare to you that all military objectives have been achieved.
12:01And so the Israeli public sort of was oblivious to and indifferent to.
12:07But about two weeks ago, three weeks ago, when more and more stories such as the nurse that you just interviewed described came out, when front pages of The Independent, The Guardian in Britain, New York Times, Washington Post, in the U.S., Financial Times, Liberacion, when they all came out with page one cover stories about what's going on in Gaza, something happened.
12:34And Israelis have become more attentive.
12:37I'm not saying they're out in the streets demonstrating, not yet at least, but the attention was somewhat diverted towards that from other issues.
12:50Alan Pinkas, thank you very much indeed for joining us.
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