US Green beret veteran Tony Aguilar Details the shocking war crimes He is witnessing in Gaza

Abdullah Afridi

Part one of our interview with retired Green Beret Lt. Col. Tony Aguilar, who says he witnessed war crimes in Gaza. Next week, his detailed response to the attacks against him.

Transcript

00:00:00Mr. Aguilar, thank you so much for joining us. Before I ask you any questions, I want to read

00:00:05what I think is your biography or parts of it, because I want the audience to understand who

00:00:10you are. And so I'm going to read this and you tell me if I've gotten anything wrong.

00:00:16So you're a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Army. You went to West Point. You

00:00:20got your commission in the Army straight out of West Point. You served for 25 years in the U.S.

00:00:25Army as a combat infantry officer and a special forces, a Green Beret officer.

00:00:30You were deployed 12 times to Iraq, three times, Afghanistan, three times. You're deployed to

00:00:37Syria, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Jordan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam.

00:00:44You saw combat in many of those venues. You're highly decorated. You were wounded in combat,

00:00:50received a Purple Heart. You got a bronze star for valor in combat, an Army Commendation Medal for

00:00:56Valor in combat. And then earlier this year, you found yourself working in Gaza under GHF. And I'll

00:01:03ask you to explain what that is in a moment. You were in Gaza from the 17th of May this year, 2025,

00:01:09through June 26th, 2025, which was last month. Is all of that correct?

00:01:15That is correct, sir. And the reason that I wanted to establish that before you tell the story that

00:01:22you're going to tell us is because very, very few Americans have been in Gaza in the last couple of

00:01:29years. And I don't know any others who have the experience in chaotic situations and combat situations

00:01:37that you have who've been there. And I think that really matters. Anyone who's been around combat knows

00:01:42it's enormously confusing. And having 25 years of experience around violence, I think, gives you

00:01:47greater credibility because it suggests you can interpret what's happening accurately in a way

00:01:52that people who haven't had that experience probably can't. So with that, I want to ask you

00:01:58the first and most obvious question. What is GHF in Gaza?

00:02:02So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to take over the aid distribution

00:02:12into Gaza, replacing the former United Nations aid delivery mechanism post-blocking or cutting off

00:02:25of the Gaza enclave. So there was no aid going in up until May 26th when we started operations. And

00:02:34the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was established to lead that effort overall. So the Gaza Humanitarian

00:02:42Foundation, I'm not sure in terms of what their actual status is in terms of a company or an NGO

00:02:50or a nonprofit. I don't know what they're classified as, but I know that their GHF is the overall lead

00:02:57for both of the contract mechanisms in Gaza.

00:03:04So after 25 years as a U.S. Army officer, West Point graduate, special forces officer, all these combat

00:03:11deployments, all the decorations that you received, how did you wind up distributing aid in Gaza?

00:03:16Well, sir, on May 13th, I received a phone call from the UG Solutions. UG Solutions is a subcontract

00:03:26for the security portion of this aid distribution method. They're stationed here in Davidson, North

00:03:32Carolina, where I live. I retired out of Fort Bragg, and they contacted me basically looking for

00:03:40experienced, recently retired or recently gotten out of the military, experienced

00:03:45combat veterans, special forces operations background. So they contacted me and explained

00:03:53the mission to me. Up until that point, until I got that phone call, I was not aware of what UG

00:03:58Solutions or the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was. So I was interested and I listened to what they had

00:04:06to say.

00:04:06The reason I'm asking you this is I know that after this interview airs, there will be a concerted attempt

00:04:13to discredit you as a man. And I'm certain, having seen this happen many times, that one of the

00:04:19criticisms we levied against you is that you were some sort of political activist with a political axe

00:04:24to grind or an ideological axe to grind. Are you? Because it sounds like from the story you're telling now

00:04:31that you were a retired army officer who received a call because of your combat experience. Is that

00:04:36is that correct?

00:04:39Prior to that phone call on the 13th of May, sir, and remind you, I did retire on the 1st of January.

00:04:44I didn't retire years ago. Retired been through the 1st of January. My last day in the army was one

00:04:49March. I was very happy and content. My wife also served a career in the military. She is a retired

00:04:58career military officer. Between the two of us, we have 45 years of service. Between her and I with

00:05:03my son, we've missed almost every birthday, every anniversary, every Christmas from the time that he

00:05:08was born to the majority of our marriage. And we're still married 17 years later. So I was very much

00:05:15comfortable and established in my retirement lifestyle. No political aspirations, no aspirations

00:05:20to go into another line of work. I'm starting school in the fall. That was my aspiration.

00:05:24I enjoyed making breakfast for my family, taking my son to school every morning,

00:05:31Boy Scout meetings, PTO meetings, watching the Golden Girls in the afternoon with a cup of tea,

00:05:35walking the dog. That was my life. And I was very content. When I got the phone call,

00:05:41I felt that initially, because I didn't know much about the situation, when they first called me,

00:05:47I said, hey, I'd like to take a day to kind of do my own research and just kind of understand what

00:05:52it's all about. My answer is not no, but my answer is not yes. So I took the day. I took the

00:05:56rest of the day. I believe it was a Wednesday. And I went through the, you know, I started to read

00:06:00about GHF. Not a lot out there. I started to read about Safe Reach Solutions, which is the prime

00:06:06contract. Not a lot out there. I read a little bit about UG Solutions. UG Solutions had been the

00:06:12contract that sent contractors into Gaza in late January through March to control the Netzerim

00:06:19checkpoint once the ceasefire broke or the ceasefire started, I should say, for the Palestinians

00:06:24that were allowed to then go back into Gaza City. So they had some credibility. They had,

00:06:29it seemed like not many people had done contracts in Gaza. UGS did. So I figured that this would be

00:06:37an opportunity to link up with a company that had the experience. But I was more interested in the

00:06:44mission. I say this again, and I've said it again. You know, I don't know Johnny Moore, the director or

00:06:50CEO or whatever the title is of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. But there is something that he said that

00:06:56I do agree with, that there's nothing more Christian than feeding people. Yes. And in terms of the

00:07:02sentiment of doing goodwill, feeding starving people, I served for the majority of my career after

00:07:08being an infantry officer and going to special forces, the special forces motto, as you see in

00:07:13the picture behind me of first special forces group, is de oppresso liber, to free the oppressed.

00:07:20That is our motto. I don't just, I just didn't have that on my uniform. I live that.

00:07:27The civilian population in Gaza, politics aside, political views, religious positions aside,

00:07:36they are being oppressed. Food, water, education, life, dignity. And I wanted to be a part of going

00:07:45in to help in some way. So I have no political aspirations. I have no political leanings. I have

00:07:51no desire to write a book or before doing these interviews, I don't even have social media and

00:07:58I've never really been out on the internet. This is all very overwhelming for me. But my wife was a big

00:08:04factor behind me going on the record. My wife being, again, a retired military officer,

00:08:09we understand a lot of the same values. And she explained to me, she said, you know,

00:08:13no one else can tell this story. No one else was there. Not only were you there, you were on the

00:08:18sites and no one else saw it through the eyes of your experience. In the places you've been,

00:08:22in the places you've, in the things that you've done, the lens you look at this through is different

00:08:27than most people have. You need to go on the record. The American people need to know this.

00:08:33My motivations in this are patriotic. I want to inform the American people, my fellow citizens,

00:08:41of what's going on in Gaza, what our taxpayers' dollars are funding, and what American citizens

00:08:47on the ground are being faced with. America needs to know.

00:08:51So tell us what you saw. And I'm grateful to your wife for her encouragement on that. I think

00:08:59she's absolutely right. The United States is paying for this. And there is almost no information coming

00:09:04out of Gaza. The news media, of course, are barred. It's been going on for more than a couple years

00:09:09now. It'll be three years in October. And the sense is that there's something profound going on. But

00:09:15of course, there's no way to know what's going on. So what did you see when you arrived? What were

00:09:19your perceptions of Gaza? So my initial perceptions of Gaza, just in terms of the physical aspect,

00:09:28is that I would just describe it as post-apocalyptic, something akin to Terminator 2,

00:09:35when the T-100s are walking through the destroyed landscape. It's human depravity. It's the oppression

00:09:44of dignity. It's the entire area. For example, in the south, in Rafa, I saw pictures of Rafa

00:09:53prior to the current war. And there were nice buildings. There were beach resorts. There were

00:10:00streetlights and neighborhoods. And now it is leveled to the ground. There is not a building that stands.

00:10:07And the rubble is piled up. And as you drive through Rafa to one of our points, secure distribution

00:10:15site number three was in Rafa. So we would have to drive through the old southern Rafa corridor to

00:10:22get there. And all of the homes just in piles and rubble. And you can see someone's couch that's

00:10:30hanging from a piece of rebar out of the second floor of a building or a refrigerator smashed or

00:10:34family photos that were on the wall that are now shattered and broken. These lives were just

00:10:39destroyed and taken. And that's the scene of Gaza. On the news, airdrops were conducted over the last

00:10:4948 hours. And journalists were prohibited or encouraged not to take video or pictures of the

00:10:57overhead scenery. Because if the world sees that, I think the world would step back and pause to say,

00:11:03what are we doing? What have we become?

00:11:08You've spent your life in combat zones. That's why I think your testimony is so compelling.

00:11:13Because you have a frame of reference. You've seen a lot of destruction and a lot of killing in your

00:11:17life for 25 years. How would you compare what you saw in Gaza to what you've seen in, say,

00:11:21Afghanistan or Iraq?

00:11:22Nothing compares. Nothing I have seen in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Baghdad, in Mosul, Sadr City,

00:11:32all throughout Afghanistan, Syria, the southern Philippines, some places where there's dense

00:11:37populations. I have never witnessed anything as brutal, destructive, violent. And I would say that

00:11:47that steps far over our international laws of how we persecute wars and how we engage in warfare,

00:11:57we've long departed from that standard. And America is a part of it.

00:12:03How is it obvious that America is a part of it? I know that we know academically the United States

00:12:09is paying for this and has always paid for it. But do you see American weapons? Do you see American

00:12:16military personnel? How enmeshed in this are we?

00:12:19So the 314 government contractors under UG Solutions, the majority, not all of them, but in the

00:12:30high 80th, high 80 percentile, are combat veterans from the military, directly from the military combat

00:12:38veterans like myself. Do you have a mix of law enforcement? Do you have a mix of people that had

00:12:43experience in various security backgrounds? Within that military portion, there's a good portion of them

00:12:48that are special operations, Marine Corps, Navy SEALs, Green Berets. So all of the contractors on the

00:12:55ground are Americans. And the, you know, the interesting part of that is that when we first

00:13:01entered Israel, I was, I kind of had to take a pause and I was like, are we, are you kidding? Like

00:13:08we were all, we were and are, we are in Israel, armed with fully automatic weapons and pistols and

00:13:15shotguns and stun grenades and, and machine guns going into Gaza on a tourist visa. We are there

00:13:24on a tourist visa. So if my grandmother wanted to go visit Jerusalem, she would be in Israel under the

00:13:30same status that I was. Why is that?

00:13:33Um, at first I didn't understand it, but then I went and I did some research as to why,

00:13:40why didn't we do a, a B1 entry visa as subject matter experts invited by the government or

00:13:46under a different authority. There's, there's various entry visa options. And it dawned on me that,

00:13:52oh, well, if you want to submit for a, a form of B1 or a different form of the B2 under a work visa,

00:13:59um, one that's expensive and two that takes time. You have to coordinate that ahead of time.

00:14:05And this mission was thrown together and there's, there's no one within SRS or UG solutions that will,

00:14:11that will, that will push back against this because we all know it. It was, it was thrown together

00:14:16very hastily. And it was just kind of a mix of throwing so many parts together, trying to get it

00:14:23all to come together that I think things were done to be, to be fast, fast and loose as I would call

00:14:29it. And, uh, one of those was, hey, go online, fill out your Israeli visa, get your e-visa, tourist visa,

00:14:36$25 and come on over to Israel. You said all of the contractors are American. Um, the Israeli

00:14:45military, the IDF leveled Gaza. Are there any Israelis helping to feed or take care of sustain

00:14:55the life of the Palestinians? Or is it all Americans who were, who were helping?

00:15:02So this is what was another aspect that was both interesting and concerning to me that,

00:15:09that, and I raised this issue early on because, you know, when I, when I use the term war crimes,

00:15:14people think that, Oh, you're just exaggerating. Well, I'm well-versed in the protocols, the

00:15:19Geneva convention, the protocols of the alarms of laws of armed conflict, the protocols of

00:15:24international humanitarian law, because I had, I had to know those things as an officer leading men

00:15:29in combat. I didn't have the option. Ignorance was not an option. So I, some of the things now I

00:15:35don't have it, you know, memorized, but there's some pretty key elements in it that kind of stand

00:15:39out. Like the, I don't know the, every word to the constitution, but I can recite the preamble.

00:15:43So I know what some of them are in terms of like, what, like what the don'ts are.

00:15:48One thing that struck me as, as concerning is that there are only four secure distribution sites

00:15:55in Gaza under the Gaza humanitarian foundation for prior to the blockade. And prior to the stopping

00:16:01of UN aid going in, there were 400. So out of the four sites that we have only four, three of them

00:16:10are co-located within 150 to 200 meters from each other. All of them in the far southwest corner

00:16:19of the enclave near the Egyptian border. It's nowhere near the people that need it. North of

00:16:27the Netzerim corridor, which bisects central Gaza from the north. In the north, you have Gaza City

00:16:32and Jabalia. That is where the population right now is the most vulnerable, where you have deaths,

00:16:39starvation, they're isolated. No aid is going into there and there's no aid sites there.

00:16:46So prior to us deploying, you know, as a, as a prudent military planner mindset, you know,

00:16:53I'm not in the army anymore, but I didn't, you know, I still carry the skills. I did a little bit,

00:16:58what I would call operational preparation in the environment. I did my research, looked at Gaza,

00:17:03figured out the population, where the population centers were, what, what people ate, where they,

00:17:10you know, where they primarily lived and what they did. And I saw that, okay, well, the entire

00:17:15northern enclave of Gaza is cut off and isolated. And none of the sites that we've put in are in

00:17:22that area. So who are we providing aid to? So the three sites out of the four that are all the way

00:17:30down in the southern tip of the enclave, all of them are co-located or co-nearly located with an IDF

00:17:39combat unit. In that area is where the IDF is actively conducting. And this is, this is not an

00:17:47opinion that anybody can refute. This is a fact. You can look it up. The, yeah, the IDF is currently

00:17:54conducting Operation Gideon's Chariots. It's an offensive operation. It's not a defensive, it's not

00:18:00a security, it's not an aid operation. It is an offensive combat operation. And they are conducting

00:18:05that in the south where all three out of the three or four sites are located. We established secure

00:18:13distribution sites to deliver and distribute humanitarian aid, not only co-located with

00:18:19Israeli combat units, but located in an active combat zone. I can't make it clearer to the

00:18:27leadership there and to the lawyers that I've spoke with at GHF and UG Solutions that that is a war crime

00:18:34verbatim out of the protocols of the Geneva Convention, which last time I checked, the United

00:18:39States was still a signatory to, and the laws of international laws and law, international

00:18:44humanitarian law. Clearly, there's no question about it. So to say that, well, it's, it's okay in

00:18:51this one instance, it's not, it's not okay. So just from immediately being there, I realized that,

00:18:58that the planning and the coordination of this operation had either been done by people that had

00:19:03no idea, no concept of planning at that level to take into all the considerations that we have to

00:19:09take in, into an environment like this. You can't just go into a mission like this and say, oh, we'll

00:19:13just wing it. You have to consider the legal, the political, the environmental, the cultural,

00:19:19the, the, the military aspects. You have to consider every aspect when you go into planning something

00:19:25like this. And it was obvious that that had not been done. So in my mind, I was like, this is either

00:19:31complete ignorance or it's intentional. They were intentionally put here. So I don't know the

00:19:39answer to that. Someday that's going to come out when, when the truth breaks and, and the international

00:19:44community looks in, opens this box and starts digging into this nasty problem, the truth will

00:19:49come out. So it's my hope that we didn't do that intentionally because that would not only make us war

00:19:53criminals, that would just make us evil. So, but the fact still remains three of the four

00:20:01distribution sites are in an active combat zone. The fourth site up in central Gaza near the Nasserine

00:20:05corridor is co-located with an Israeli combat unit, a tank unit, mind you, a Markaba tank company is

00:20:13located adjacent to the distribution site. So if someone were to look through the annals of history

00:20:18and see how the United States government participated in the distribution of humanitarian aid to the

00:20:22people of Gaza, and they look at the maps and they're looking at everything, they're like, what was

00:20:26going on here? Why, why are you distributing humanitarian aid in the middle of a combat

00:20:30zone? It's a question that needs to be asked and needs to be answered. I think. Do you have any sense

00:20:36of what the current population of Gaza is, which is another way of asking how many people have been

00:20:43killed? How many Palestinians have died in Gaza? Do we know? Well, we, I don't think anyone has a,

00:20:52has a firm number that we can all collectively trust. I know that the, the Gaza health ministry

00:20:58has a, has a number. I mean, I can't, I haven't been able to validate or verify that, but I know

00:21:03that, um, one thing I can tell you for a fact is that people have been killed. I've seen it. Like

00:21:08it's a fact people have been killed. What the current population is now. I know that prior to the

00:21:14blockade, kind of the last census for Gaza that was taken. And I believe 2018, the population was

00:21:20declared to be around 2.2, 2.21 million. What it is now, I don't know, but I would assume that the

00:21:28population has been greatly decreased. What I do know about the population outside of the demographics

00:21:33of it, of the size is that the majority, a far majority of the population is completely isolated

00:21:39from the central Southern portion of Gaza. And they are completely isolated in the South or excuse me,

00:21:45in the North, North of the Nasserine corridor in Gaza city. So that would be if you took everybody

00:21:51in New York and crammed them into this, to Southern Manhattan and said, that's the only place you can

00:21:55be out of all of New York city. It's, it's a nightmare. And I, and I don't know why, well, you know,

00:22:05to be fair, I do know why it's happening. I don't know why we're accepting it. I don't know why we're a part

00:22:09of it because it's, it's a war crime to do that. It is a war crime to intentionally displace the

00:22:19civilian population on the battlefield and combat operations. What is displacement? Well, moving

00:22:24people from where they live to a place that they don't and not letting them go back. It's in the

00:22:30fourth protocol of the Geneva convention. And we just turn a blind eye to it. It's happening. I mean,

00:22:35Netanyahu himself has said it yesterday, Gaza humanitarian foundation did a press conference

00:22:40where they even introduced it as we are feeding the starving and displaced population of Gaza.

00:22:46Okay. Thank you, Chapin Faye. You just admitted to a war crime. You're displacing the population.

00:22:52I mean, it's, these aren't rules that Tony Aguilar wrote. These are rules that the international

00:22:56community wrote and agreed to, and we're not following them. Now what the IDF does is that on us per se

00:23:03at the strategic level, I think it would be as one of our allies, but at the ground level,

00:23:08maybe it's not, but we are definitely complicit in this ongoing operation. And when the world looks,

00:23:15look at, look what's happened in the last couple of days. France is going to recognize them.

00:23:20Canada is going to recognize them. The United Kingdom is about to recognize them.

00:23:24The reasons why in the politics aside, the fact that they're going to do that is a fact. That is a

00:23:29reality. So the world is going to become far, far more interested in what's going on because I think

00:23:36the world has taken the blinders off to now look, okay, maybe it's not as bad as the far left says,

00:23:42or it's not as good as the far right says, but something's going on here. Like something stinks

00:23:47in Mudville. Like we got to take a look at this. And when they look at it and they open that box,

00:23:52the IDF, the Israeli government with hands in the air, they're going to go, wasn't us.

00:24:00America helped us do it. It's their money. And then the world's going to say, what say you America?

00:24:05And right now we do not have a good answer for that. And if we're going to bank on,

00:24:10oh, well, we didn't know, or we just did what the IDF did. Shame on us. Shame on us. That is not

00:24:18the American way. Those aren't American values. We don't kowtow to somebody else's standards.

00:24:24We set the standard.

00:24:30Thank you, Colonel, for doing this interview. How are people eating in the North? If there's

00:24:35one distribution center in the middle of a combat zone and the majority, you say you think the

00:24:39majority or certainly a big chunk of the population is in the North or Central Gaza, Northern Gaza.

00:24:45How are they eating?

00:24:46Great question.

00:24:52I don't know.

00:24:55Is the Israeli government bringing food in?

00:24:59I do know that the Israeli, so the Israeli, within the Israeli government, there's an

00:25:03organization called Kogat. It's at the government ministerial level that includes,

00:25:09I would compare it to what USAID was, if USAID belonged to the Ministry of Defense or the Department

00:25:17of Defense, like militarized aid type of thing, or militarized humanitarian assistance. That's how I

00:25:22would describe it. But it's an organization called Kogat, C-O-T-A-G. It's an acronym. I can't recall it

00:25:27off the top of my head because I didn't have much interaction with them. But I know that Kogat does

00:25:32coordinate for the IDF. So not the UN escorted by the IDF, not the IDF escorting us, but escorts humanitarian aid

00:25:44trucks that we provide, GHF trucks. We will provide some to the Israelis to drive into certain areas of the

00:25:53central corridor. In my time there, until recently, until like just the last couple of days when the

00:25:58UN trucks were allowed to go into the north. So when you see the trucks on the news that are being

00:26:03swarmed with thousands of people, that's not in the south by the three distribution sites or central

00:26:10Gaza. That's north of the Nessarin corridor. So those trucks aren't coming in from the Egyptian border

00:26:16going all the way up and they're getting just attacked all the way. They're going directly into the

00:26:20heart of darkness. They're going through the Erez crossing, which is the Israeli-Gaza crossing to

00:26:24the north. And they're going directly in with aid to a starving population that hasn't had any food for

00:26:29months. So what they're eating, what they have been eating, I don't know. And I think that when

00:26:36with the UN going back in there and with the international community going back in there,

00:26:40we're going to find some things that it's not going to be pretty. I mean, that reckoning is coming.

00:26:49The people in the northern portion alone, I know are facing mass starvation. Now, I'm not

00:26:56educated in humanitarian assistance or world food program in terms of what declares a technical state

00:27:04of famine. I know there's like a certain level of not eating for a certain amount of days within a

00:27:09population that equals famine. So I don't know if I could technically call it a famine because I don't

00:27:13know what those rules are, but I would call it starvation. And I'm glad that the president of

00:27:20the United States came out last week or, excuse me, yesterday on Politico and other outlets and said

00:27:25that he acknowledges and recognizes the starvation in Gaza. Thank you, Mr. President. That is exactly

00:27:32what's going on. The narrative of there's no starvation and there's no hunger going on in

00:27:39Gaza. That is negligent. That is shameful that anybody would say that. Not only is it evident

00:27:48to the world, I've seen it. So if you don't trust doctors and lawyers and aid workers and NGOs and

00:27:59Europeans and Westerners and Middle Easterners and all these people all over the world, Asians,

00:28:04everybody that's been in there that has seen this problem set. If you don't believe them,

00:28:08you can believe me. I'm an American. I was there. I have no agenda in this. I witnessed Palestinian

00:28:16parents, men and mothers and fathers carrying their dead children in their arms, skeletons.

00:28:24I witnessed that. I've witnessed people that have come onto the sites that you can see that they are

00:28:31just completely emaciated and starving. That's not fake. So if the deniers want to think that we

00:28:38got Stanley Kubrick to go into Gaza and take a bunch of crisis actors and shoot a film to fake this

00:28:44starvation, but it's real and people are dying at this point right now because we, the United States,

00:28:55the Gaza Humanitarian Fund put up our hand and said, we'll do it. The starvation at this point

00:29:00has gotten worse than it was before because the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's process

00:29:06is leading to that starvation because it's not delivering enough aid, not even nearly enough,

00:29:13not even nearly to be a fraction of enough. And I've got those numbers quick to talk about if

00:29:19you'd like, but it's shocking when you hear the numbers. I would, and I would be interested

00:29:24at some point to learn a lot more about the Gaza, about this foundation, Gaza Humanitarian

00:29:31Foundation. I would too. I think the world would like to know more about the foundation.

00:29:35The man who runs it, it was a prominent Christian Zionist. I don't think he has a background in

00:29:41aid distribution. He strikes me from reading about him as a political figure. So I'm a little

00:29:49bit confused by this, but it sounds like we all have reason to be alarmed by it. So if you could

00:29:54proceed with those numbers.

00:29:55You should be alarmed by it. I'd feel safer. I'd be safer grading a driving test by Ray Charles than

00:30:00listening to Johnny Moore talk about humanitarian assistance. He has no background in there.

00:30:05Have you met Johnny? I'm sorry to laugh. Have you met Johnny Moore?

00:30:11I have not sat down and had coffee with the man. I saw him when he came to the main control center in

00:30:18Gaza to visit and then go out on a little photo op to site one. So they brought him in

00:30:25under heavily armed security. It's like kind of the one of the things when the in-laws visit,

00:30:29you put out the good towels. So when Johnny Moore visits, you roll out the red carpet. So

00:30:36of course, when he gets there, everything's great. Everything's spick and span. But what's funny is

00:30:43that it wasn't spick and span because while he was there and another of the supporters that they

00:30:50brought in, a Lieutenant Colonel British Army. I don't know him. I've never met him, but I've seen

00:30:54some of his interviews on site. As he's standing there talking, you can hear machine gun fire in

00:30:59the background. I mean, it's akin to Baghdad Bob in 2003 proclaiming on CNN that there are no Americans

00:31:07in Baghdad as an M1 Abrams tank rolls right behind him. There are no Americans in Baghdad. And then

00:31:14Abrams tank from the third ID comes right behind him. And he looks back and he's like, okay, there

00:31:19are some Americans in Baghdad. That's like what this is right now. It's like, no one's starving in

00:31:27Gaza. Well, that person looks like they're starving. Okay. There's some people starving in Gaza. It's like,

00:31:33when is America going to wake up to the garbage? This is real. People are dying. So yeah, I'd love

00:31:42to know more about the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. Not a lot of people can figure anything out. I'd

00:31:46love to. And the thing is, is that not revealing your sources, not revealing who you are, not revealing

00:31:52where your income comes from, not revealing who your backers are, not revealing what you do,

00:31:56not providing any reports, not allowing reporters to go in, not providing transparent looks at your

00:32:03operation. You know who else does things like that? North Korea, Russia, China. Are those the people

00:32:12that we want to say that we're like? No. America is founded on transparency. Our country was founded on

00:32:19calling out other people's bull crap, calling out other people's, you know, like, hey, that don't look

00:32:25right. T-tax? Nah, not paying that. Not going to put up with that. America is founded on that. And yet,

00:32:33we're just sitting by and letting this happen. And going back, you know, so I have not met him.

00:32:38Let me just ask, do you know who is funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation? Is it,

00:32:44it's an arm of the State Department? It's an independent NGO? What, do you know where the

00:32:49money comes from? I don't, who is funding it from its base? And like, who has funded it from the

00:32:54beginning? And who put the, you know, the, the seed money into getting it off the ground? I have

00:33:00no idea. But I do know that many, many, many, many people in the United States government and within

00:33:04the, you know, media outlets have been working for quite a long time to try to figure that out.

00:33:09One indicator for me, you know, it's like, when you're looking at a problem, I call it like Occam's

00:33:14razor. When you can't figure out what you're trying to find, but you can see the things that are there,

00:33:19it starts to tell you a picture of what the thing is that you can't see. It's like the science of a

00:33:24black, of a black hole, right? Like you can't see it, but you can see everything that's happening

00:33:29around it to tell you, to tell you what's happening. So I would say in this, okay, we have

00:33:34the Gaza Humanitarian Fund led by a, a Christian Zionist who has no experience in humanitarian assistance

00:33:43and humanitarian aid. The Switzerland, Switzerland would not take GHF's accounts. Switzerland,

00:33:52Switzerland would even open an account for Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. And they won't open one for GHF.

00:33:57That's, that's telling. Like, that's like, whoa, that, that don't pass the sniff test.

00:34:04Furthermore, the number one guy in charge of GHF, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, Jake Wood,

00:34:10who was a former employee in the beginning of, um, the early, uh, paramilitary contractor Blackwater

00:34:16days. I don't know if he was necessarily attached directly to Blackwater, but I know he was in that

00:34:20contractor realm, Jake Wood. The very first day we began distribution on 26th May, cutting of the

00:34:26ribbon, the golden shovel, the shotgun start for the marathon. You know what Jake Wood did?

00:34:32I'm out. Not going to be a part of it. The guy in charge of the entire Gaza Humanitarian

00:34:37Foundation on the day we started distribution for this mothership project quit. And he quit and he

00:34:42stepped down citing reasons of unethical practices, not being prepared to execute this mission properly.

00:34:52And that's exactly what it is. So, and then a couple of weeks later, uh, Boston consulting group,

00:34:57they stepped down because they found out that there was things going on that were,

00:35:00that weren't initially, uh, conveyed to them in the contract. So, so they left. So when everyone

00:35:05starts jumping ship, you kind of start to look around, like, where's the hole? Like right now,

00:35:10I feel like the United States that we're just, we're just rearranging the chairs on the deck of

00:35:15the Titanic. It's snapped, it's going down. And instead of like trying to figure out how to get

00:35:20to a lifeboat or trying to figure out how to call for help, we're just, we're just rearranging the

00:35:24deck chairs, listening to the band as the, as the ship goes down because we, we believe what people

00:35:29like Johnny Moore say. Um, and it's easily, I wouldn't say it's discredit discreditable. I'm

00:35:35not out to discredit anyone. I'm just here to present facts, facts that GHF themselves have

00:35:42proclaimed. So yesterday and when, when Chapin Fay finished the Gaza humanitarian foundation press

00:35:50conference of which they took no questions when he finished, he said, we're going to get back to

00:35:55work delivering 20, 26, 96 million meals to date. We should not be celebrating that. That is not

00:36:02a mark to congratulate. That's, and here's why we've been delivering aid from heat. When he announced

00:36:11that yesterday, we've been delivering aid for 65 days, 65 days. Now you don't have to be Copernicus

00:36:20to figure this out. 96 million divided by 2.21 million divided by three meals a day divided by

00:36:2965 days. We have provided food for 15 days out of 65 into the enclave. What happened to the other 50

00:36:39days? So to say that people aren't starving and people aren't hungry, I beg to differ that, that,

00:36:45that, what that breaks out to imagine your, your home. I mean, I, I, I assume you, you, you prefer

00:36:50to eat a meal at least once a day, maybe two or three, you know, like the standard breakfast,

00:36:54lunch, and dinner. Most Americans think that is a standard. You know, if you're only eating one meal

00:36:57a day, okay. What if I told you that, um, I'm only eating, I'm only eating one meal on Thursday and one

00:37:03meal on Monday. That's all I'm eating. Would you be like, oh man, that's great. You're, you're in a good

00:37:07place. No, you would say like, that's stupid. Why are you, you're starving yourself. You know,

00:37:12it's, if, uh, if my son went to school and the teacher started to notice that he was losing weight

00:37:17and he was emaciated and they came to my house and they said, Mr. Aguilar, are you, is your son eating?

00:37:22Yeah. Feed him every third day, bowl of cereal every three days. I'll feed him. Great. They're going to

00:37:27be like, uh, you should not be a parent and we're taking your child away from you. Yes. So the

00:37:32government humanitarian foundation should not be doing humanitarian aid and the United States

00:37:37government should say no and take away the child, which is Palestine, Gaza, and take all that money

00:37:44and support the United Nations process. We've been a part of the United Nations for 80 years this year,

00:37:5180 years, 1945, since the United States is one of the signatories to the creation of the United

00:37:55Nations. And we're giving him the finger. Why? Because of the Gaza humanitarian foundation that is

00:38:01killing people. That's the math that those numbers that I just gave you, that's using their number.

00:38:08So if GHF is going to start politicizing math, then I think we're in a bad place.

00:38:13How were you treated and how are the other American contractors treated by the IDF and the Israeli

00:38:17government? That would be a mixed bag, depending on what level you were at. Um, I, I clearly remember

00:38:27on, on the, it was the, uh, 24th of May, uh, a select few of us, a select few of the leaders were

00:38:34taken to the sites, to the secure distribution sites to kind of get eyes on and kind of get a

00:38:39feel for the, um, for what the sites looked like, kind of get an assessment. And I went to one of the

00:38:45towers. This is site one. Site one is really close to the Mediterranean, right in the corner of Egypt

00:38:50and Gaza and the Med. And I went up to the Western tower and I'm just kind of looking out, look, you

00:38:56know, assessing the area and sitting, sitting next to the tower, kind of at the base of it outside of

00:39:02the, of the barrier of the berm, um, was a group of Israeli soldiers. And, uh, they looked up to me

00:39:08and they say, Oh, are you, are you an American? I was like, yeah, yeah. They're like, Oh, are you

00:39:12here for the, uh, for the aid? I was like, yeah. And they asked me, why are you feeding our enemy?

00:39:16Why are, why is America coming here to feed our enemy? You're not helping. And I was like, Oh,

00:39:22that's, I don't, I don't have an answer for you. Can I get back to you later? Like, I don't have an

00:39:27that's how they see it. So the guys on the ground, the grunts on the ground, the fighters, the idea

00:39:33of guys on the ground, their perception is that, that the humanitarian aid going into Gaza is feeding

00:39:39the enemy. What about the women and children? I mean, I understand they, they don't want you to

00:39:46helping Hamas, the leadership of Hamas. I don't know if that makes sense, but, but you're,

00:39:51but these are civilians you're feeding, right? Women and children and elderly, elderly people

00:39:57and women, children, the disabled, the elderly, the needy. Yeah. That's who we're feeding

00:40:07or that's what I should say that that's who we're not feeding. That's who we're supposed

00:40:13to be feeding. So how are those people, the enemy in any war? Those are just the,

00:40:17the bystanders. Those are the people who didn't choose the war, who weren't fighting in the war,

00:40:22who were just being hurt by the war. And that, that comment from this, you know, infantry,

00:40:30IDF infantry soldier on the ground, you know, I don't, that's a perception. And I think we've also

00:40:35heard the perception from the, from the highest levels of the Israeli government that,

00:40:38that all of Gaza, all is, it's all Hamas. Everybody's Hamas. And the reason that's

00:40:47striking to me, because I feel like someone handed Bibi Netanyahu a list of the violations of the

00:40:54Degeva convention, but, but like took the, took the numbers off of it. And he's just checking them

00:40:58off, like displacing the population. Well, do that. It's like, okay, well that, that's a war crime.

00:41:03And firing at the civilians to, to control the population. Okay. Well, targeting civilians with

00:41:08lethal ammunition to control the population verbatim is a war crime. So you got that one.

00:41:12Check. What next? What do you got next? Uh, we're going to build the humanitarian distribution

00:41:17sites in the middle of combat zones. Oh, shit. There's, there's protocol three. Got it. You just

00:41:21did that one. What's next? Oh, uh, how about we, uh, we label the entire society as, as got as Hamas

00:41:29and kill them all. Wow. Bingo. You just got a straight across because now you just made another

00:41:34war crime statement because the Geneva convention specifically inhibits the classification of an

00:41:38entire population as the enemy based on the actions of a few is Hamas all of, all of Gaza. No,

00:41:45no, of course it's not. Are we treating them like they're all Hamas? Yes, we are another war crime.

00:41:54So when I bring up these points about war crimes, it's not this, this, uh,

00:41:59politicized, bombastic, you know, like, Oh, you stepped on my foot. That's a war crime.

00:42:04Like the war crimes are verbatim. The things that they say, not us. They, they say it.

00:42:09We're displacing the population to move them to do combat operations.

00:42:14That's a war crime. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I mean,

00:42:16well, you're a professional army officer of 25 years, West Point graduate. So, I mean,

00:42:21this is your business in a sense. So like there are rules. It is. Yes. Uh, and so I think you have

00:42:26credibility. You're not, uh, you know, some hippie saying it's a war crime. It's like literally a war

00:42:31crime because there is an actual definition and it sounds like they've met. There is an actual

00:42:36definition. There, there's a, there's a definition of it. And when people call certain things, war

00:42:41crimes that look horrific, I'm like, well, that's, that's not, but I understand that that is horrific,

00:42:46but that's not, but there are things that by definition violate the protocols of the Geneva

00:42:52Convention, violate the arms of long, uh, the laws of armed conflict. It's they're black and white.

00:42:58It's like reading a driver's ed manual, like stop at a red light. That's, that's the law.

00:43:03It's not something you can do sometimes unless you want to get a ticket. So, um, it's one of those

00:43:07things to where it's like, there, there's a book that tells us these things that the answers to the

00:43:11tests are in this book. Someone should read it. Well, they also violate the conscience of any,

00:43:16any person watching. Um, and that's, that's enough. Yes. So, okay. So I've, I've, I've asked you,

00:43:22I've asked around the story. I just wanted this, you've provided a very, very helpful context. And

00:43:27again, thank you for, for your time in doing this. Um, so now, now to the question, how did

00:43:32the Israeli military, the IDF treat Palestinian civilians?

00:43:39I could describe it as, as, as nothing more than they treated them like animals.

00:43:44Even the, the UG solutions and the SRS personnel on the ground. Um, what was concerning to me,

00:43:51because I witnessed this in years of Iraq, when you get down the road and you start describing

00:43:54people in a certain way, you start to dehumanize them. Uh, even the U S contractors on the ground

00:44:00called, called them the, the, the zombie horde. Um, we, the IDF, and in some cases, we don't

00:44:08recognize these people as human beings. And part of my, my, you know, why I want to talk and come

00:44:14out in this is because I, I, I saw these human beings. I, I was there. I, I, you know, I,

00:44:21you know, this photo here, this is on site one, that's a human being. I took this photo. This

00:44:27didn't come from some far left journalist or from the Gaza health ministry. I took that picture.

00:44:34You know, these, you know, this year, these are, these are the people that we're dehumanizing,

00:44:42that we're killing in mass scale, that we're depriving of food and water, that we are

00:44:47torturing in a way because they're not eating at all. And we're calling them, we're calling them all

00:44:55Hamas. That's what we're calling them. So I've seen it with my own eyes. Not everybody is Hamas.

00:45:04And to be fair, I distributed at every site through distribution windows, morning, afternoon, and

00:45:13evening. Most of the contractors there do one site because they're assigned to that site.

00:45:18Cause the nature of my job, I went to all the sites, not once, not once ever. And I'm pretty keen

00:45:24at looking out for things and staying alive. Not once ever did I witness a threat, a hostile act,

00:45:31a weapon, anyone from quote unquote Hamas. I mean, how do you do that? They don't show up with a t-shirt

00:45:36that says Hamas. So, you know, there's, is Hamas amongst the population? Well, of course they are,

00:45:43but it doesn't mean that, that the entire population is Hamas. So that's the type of discipline

00:45:50and understanding and maturity and, and wherewithal of an under of an operation like this,

00:45:56that's required to do something like this. And it's not there. It's the wild West. We treat them

00:46:02like animals with, with no dignity. You say that, um, you saw, and again, I just want to state for the

00:46:10fifth time. I've met few people with more experience in situations like this chaos, foreign country

00:46:19shooting soldiers, confusion. So, you know, I think you have a lot of experience interpreting what you

00:46:27saw. Um, you said you saw no threat at all. You didn't see Palestinians with weapons. You didn't feel

00:46:35threatened. You know, it doesn't, you know, I'm sure there's a threat there, but you didn't experience

00:46:39it. Um, but you said that there was shooting who was shooting at what and why the way, uh, so to walk

00:46:47everyone through kind of how a distribution site works in terms of like, how are people being shot

00:46:52at? How does this happen? So early in the morning, the Palestinians, because mind you, the, the Palestinians

00:46:58to get to the South, they cannot drive. They have to walk one way from where they live because they have

00:47:04to go through the established military corridors, just one way to get to where they have to get to.

00:47:09They, they, they have to walk. So they can't just walk straight down to the site. They have to go

00:47:15west to the coastal corridor, down the coastal corridor, into the Morag corridor, down to the

00:47:20sites. So they're walking anywhere from eight to 12 kilometers, one way, one way to get to the site.

00:47:27So when they queue up in the morning at the intersection of the Morag corridor and the coastal road,

00:47:32and the queuing gets into the, to the magnitude of thousands, the IDF hold them there with, with tanks

00:47:40in place. When this, when the UG solutions personnel call on the radio to the IDF to say the site is ready,

00:47:47the crowd is released in a massive, massive tidal wave of people. It's dehumanizing

00:47:54and rushing towards the site because they're starving. As they're coming to the site, the IDF

00:48:01shoot at them, machine guns, mortars, tank rounds, artillery. I have all of this on video.

00:48:09within a matter of minutes, two minutes, 15 seconds, hundreds of Palestinians are already on the site.

00:48:39Like, this is not like, it's so compelling when you see it. And I'm like, because I watched it. And as

00:48:45I'm watching it and feel and being there and you hear early morning hours, you know, pre-dawn sunrise

00:48:51over the Mediterranean, thousands of, of Palestinians rushing down to the site and over their heads,

00:48:58you just see tracer bullets flying, tracers, tank rounds, artillery rounds. And they do that

00:49:06to keep the Palestinians on the right path. My suggestion from the very beginning was like,

00:49:12have we tried a sign, put a sign out there? Like, I don't know, like put a, put a sign in the road

00:49:18that says go this way instead of shooting a Markava tank round. Like, I think that would be like,

00:49:22that would be a great way to, to kind of, to kind of start. Nope. Cost too much. We're not going to do

00:49:27it. Oh, okay. Telling. That's a telling, telling proposition. So as they're coming to the site and

00:49:35getting shot at, it's dark. The Israeli forces in the South are reserve conscripts. They're not

00:49:43the IDF that, that, that the, that are in the elite active army unit. They're conscript reservists.

00:49:49They don't train. They don't get a lot of training. Rarely do they get to shoot their weapons

00:49:54and they don't have night vision capability. So they're shooting into the dark at thousands of

00:50:00people to say that when, when, when the, when the sun rises and bodies are strewn along the road

00:50:08and the IDF say, Oh, we didn't do that. Really? How did that happen then? Like you did do that.

00:50:18Like you did do that. Oh, Hamas did it. Hamas is nowhere here. There's, there's this entire area

00:50:25is a militarized controlled zone. There's no Hamas here. I was like, if Hamas got into here,

00:50:29y'all really aren't doing your job. Like there's no Hamas, no one with weapons,

00:50:34dead people screwing along the streets. So when you see on the news at Nasser hospital,

00:50:38when patients get brought in and people then say, Oh, that's just Hamas propaganda. No,

00:50:43it's not. It is not Hamas propaganda. It's real. The shooting, the indiscriminate shooting,

00:50:50when they get onto the site in this mass crowd, just imagine if you will, if, if it was Black Friday

00:50:57at Walmart and they cleared out the Walmart, they moved everything out. And in the middle

00:51:01of the Walmart, they just put a box of TVs and they were free first in gets them. And at nine

00:51:07o'clock the door crashes open and everybody's squeezing into the small door into this area.

00:51:12And you've got, you've got two security guards there on every site. There are 22 armed security

00:51:20guards pulling security. So that's one to 409 ratio, one guard to 409 people ratio.

00:51:29There's no way that the armed security can manage or control that safely. There's no way it's

00:51:36impossible. So when they get onto the site, I call, I called it the eight minutes of mayhem.

00:51:42Within eight minutes, 25,000 boxes of food are stripped through, taken down and gone. Eight

00:51:50minutes. It's one of the most chaotic, deprived, dehumanizing things I've ever seen in my life.

00:51:58And I was, I was in Bagus Fagani when ISIS surrendered, talk about dehumanization. That

00:52:03is the worst I've seen in my life. At the end, when there's a few people left to pick up the

00:52:11remnants of AIDS, some beans, some rice, the UG solutions personnel then start clearing the crowd

00:52:17with the procedures that they've adopted from the IDF where we throw stun grenades. We spray pepper

00:52:23spray. I saw in a recent video last week of a UG solutions person that I know, I know who that

00:52:28person is. Like I know it's real. I know he's there. I know it's a real person. It's not fake.

00:52:33And he's standing on a berm and they have these new devices where it's about the size of a fire

00:52:38extinguisher with a, with a fog hose on it to just spray tear gas. They have those now. And so now

00:52:44that's the, that's the standard operating procedure. And as they get to the gate and the gates are

00:52:49closed, the IDF salute, the IDF guards then, then shoot at them at their feet over their heads in the

00:52:54air, just like the IDF do. And you know, again, like yesterday when, when GHF gave their press

00:53:01conference, they even said that, like Mr. Aguilar has said that shots have been fired at civilians.

00:53:05We only shoot at their feet over their head in the air. Like that's exactly what I'm saying. You do

00:53:10you're, you're, you're correct. But when you're shooting bullets that come out of an automatic rifle

00:53:15at a crowd of thousands of people, and you can't see them because there's berms and there's dust and

00:53:21there's, and there's inner visibility lines that you can't see. And you're just shooting.

00:53:25You're going to kill somebody period. So the, you know, our guys don't shoot at them. They shoot

00:53:32at their feet. They shoot over the head. They shoot into the air. Um, okay. Well shooting at them,

00:53:38targeting innocent unarmed civilians on the battlefield for the purpose of controlling them

00:53:43or controlling the crowd. Again, there you go. Another war crime. So when, when we're doing these

00:53:48things, it's, we're just egregiously violating international standards, the standards that we,

00:53:55that we as Americans expect. People were hung at Nuremberg for things like this.

00:54:00Literally things like this. Yeah. Shooting at prisoners. Yes. Shooting at prisoners. As a,

00:54:05as a case in point in the United States army, if I were fighting in, in Germany and a squad of German

00:54:15soldiers that was just shooting at me, puts down their guns and raises their hands.

00:54:19They just became a prisoner. I have to feed them. I have to give them water. I have to take care of

00:54:24them. I have to give them safe passage to, to captivity or to holding. You can't just shoot them.

00:54:29There are rules in combat. There are rules in conflict and we must abide by those. Now,

00:54:36what I find to be incredibly, incredibly concerning for the American people and for my fellow teammates,

00:54:42my guys on the ground, American citizens is that GHS position is, well, we're not,

00:54:48this isn't a war and we're not, we don't have to abide by those rules. Well, you do. Those rules

00:54:53apply to everybody, no matter what, but even more so that you should not have the authority to shoot

00:54:59anybody. We are there as tourists. As I said, in the beginning of the show, tourists, we should not

00:55:04be pulling the trigger of that gun unless it is absolutely to protect an imminent threat to our life.

00:55:09In a case in point, from all of the days and all of the times and all of the sites,

00:55:14I didn't pull the trigger on my rifle one time. I didn't pull the pistol on my rifle one time,

00:55:19never even took it out of its holster. Stun grenades, tear gas, didn't use it once because

00:55:24I didn't need, I'm not, not because I'm some like, you know, soft, you know, anti-gun, you know,

00:55:30that I didn't need it. Never one time did I ever need to pull my rifle, shoot my gun or use

00:55:35means to stun or hurt a civilian ever, not once. And I was at more distributions at more sites,

00:55:41more time than, than any single person in the UG solutions architecture. And not once did I ever

00:55:49need to do that ever. And I think I know something about, you know, when it's time to shoot, you know,

00:55:56done a lot. So it never felt that I had to do that ever once. It's, it's immature. It's dangerous.

00:56:05It's a violation of our American values. That is not how America engages on the world stage.

00:56:11We are the ones that do right. We are the ones that choose the harder right over the easier wrong.

00:56:17We don't do it because the IDF say it's okay to do it. And therefore we can do it. Well,

00:56:22we made that bed and we are in it. And that bed is about to get flipped over by the international

00:56:28community. And if we don't, if we don't stand up and say something now, like today, tomorrow,

00:56:33if we don't stand up and do something about it, we're going down that road and it's not a good

00:56:38road to be on.

00:56:40I hope you can tell your story on Fox news and on every American media outlet as soon as possible.

00:56:46I hope they will have you. I'm not betting on it, but I hope, I hope they will. So let,

00:56:51let me ask you about the story that you have told. That's a really difficult story, awful story,

00:56:57story. Uh, but about the boy, um, who you were in contact with, who was, who was killed shot to

00:57:03death. What, what, what happened?

00:57:09So, you know, this little boy is similar in age to, to my son, brown eyes. My son has brown eyes. I see

00:57:18my son's face when I look at him and this little boy, you know, he's not, he's not ISIS.

00:57:30He's not a combatant.

00:57:34This was on secure distribution site. Number two, the 28th of May, our second day of doing distribution.

00:57:42location. I'm on that location. I didn't get this second hand. I didn't see it from afar. And then,

00:57:52and then assume I saw it. I touched it. I felt it. Other people saw it. This young little boy.

00:58:03His name is Amir. I know that because when he walked over from the crowd of people,

00:58:08um, he walked toward me, there was two, there was two of us standing there, two UG solutions

00:58:13guards standing in that area. And he was walking towards us. And we thought maybe he was hurt or

00:58:17maybe he was asking for some more food because all he had in his arms was a small bag of rice,

00:58:22half a bag of flour, some lentils that he had picked up from the ground. He didn't have much.

00:58:27And we thought maybe he was asking for more food or maybe he was hurt. And he, we, we

00:58:32notioned him over and he came up and he extends his right hand at us. And so we,

00:58:38I, you know, I kind of walked up to him and waved him over and the guy standing next to me,

00:58:42this young boy grabs, holds his hand and he kisses it. And then he comes to me and he holds my hand

00:58:48and he kisses it. In, in Arab culture, that is a very significant sign of respect. That's not

00:58:54something that, that should be taken lightly or something that should be, that that's a big sign

00:58:59of respect. And we were, we were taken aback by that. The gentleman that was standing next to me

00:59:04was also a military veteran, combat veteran. So he's been to Afghanistan, Iraq, and he

00:59:07understand he was, he was moved by it. He was touched. I was touched. And as he was standing

00:59:13there, we were both looking at him and he was very emaciated. He had no shoes on. His pants were

00:59:18tattered. He had a kind of a rope or string holding his pants up. Filthy, probably hasn't bathed in

00:59:25months, probably hasn't eaten in days. And oh, by the way, when they walk eight to 12 kilometers to get

00:59:29to these sites, the Gaza humanitarian foundation mechanism provides no water, zero, not a single

00:59:36bottle because it's too expensive. Distributing water weighs so much that it breaks down the, the,

00:59:43the profit per cost per truck. That's a fact because I asked why, and I was given a lesson

00:59:49in it. This is why it's too expensive. So we give them no water. All of their food, by the way,

00:59:54requires water to cook it. Rice, lentils, beans, flour. You gotta have water. So what we're giving

00:59:59them, I don't know how they're eating it, but he comes, he's standing there. And I, and I put my arm

01:00:03on his, on his right, on his left shoulder and I look at him and I can feel the bones in his

01:00:09shoulder. I can feel the, the, the weakness in his arm. I can feel the vulnerability. I can feel

01:00:15the desperation. And I look at him and I looked and I got down on my knees where I'm looking at

01:00:20him in the eyes. And then I say to him, I said, people care. America cares. You're not going to be

01:00:29forgotten. People in the world care. And he doesn't speak English and I don't speak Arabic.

01:00:41But the connection we had in looking at each other, he felt like he felt, he felt for the

01:00:48first time in a long time that there was someone that cared. And I got down on a knee and he came

01:00:54to his level and the items he had in his hand, he sets them down on the ground and he, his hands,

01:01:00he raises his hands and they're small, fragile. You can, you can see bones sticking, you know,

01:01:05just the bones to the skin. And he places his hands on my face and he kissed me. And he said,

01:01:10he looked at me in the eyes and he says, thank you. He said it in English. Thank you.

01:01:14Like, people are starving in Gaza. People are dying in Gaza. These children that are starving and

01:01:29dying, these, these children, you know, they look like everyday Americans. This child is picking up

01:01:38noodles off the ground with his bare hands because there was no food left. So he's picking up noodles

01:01:43to put into his backpack. Amir goes back toward, back to the main group and he goes out the exit.

01:01:54We had a very strict protocol that they come in a certain way, get the aid, and then they go out

01:01:59a certain way. From the way they came in, it takes them back to the way they came in. The exit takes

01:02:04them back that same way. So they enter from the Morag Corridor, they go south, they go through the

01:02:09station, they exit, and they go north to the Morag Corridor. So coming in and going out, they're tied

01:02:14right back into the active combat zone. Site number two particularly is a little bit different than the

01:02:21other sites because it's in between site one and two. And there's an IDF combat outpost just off the

01:02:27corner of SDS-2. So there's a berm that lines that road going out. So if people are leaving the exit

01:02:35and someone is on the east side of the berm shooting into the crowd over here, you can't see

01:02:42what's on the other side of that berm because of the obscuration, the field of fire.

01:02:47So the IDF are shooting at the crowd that's leaving. As the crowd left and they would hit the Morag

01:02:52Corridor to go west, the IDF would shoot at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head. We would

01:02:56shoot at them, shoot at their feet, shoot over their head, shoot into the air.

01:02:59And the bullets start hitting off the ground. There's video of this. It's on the BBC video.

01:03:07Hitting off the ground, see dirt flying up. And I was still on the site. I was below the berm.

01:03:15It was the second time we had done distribution. So when I heard the gunfire kickoff, the automatic

01:03:20machine gun fire, I thought we were under attack. I thought something had happened. So I ran up to the

01:03:25southern berm and I laid down to take cover. I'm observing and I'm looking and I see the shooting

01:03:30keep going on by just the rap and Palestinians dropping on the side of the road. So Amir didn't

01:03:38make it home. He walked 12 kilometers to get some food, picked up scraps off the ground. That's all

01:03:46that was left because the eight minute mayhem took all of the food. And by the time he got there,

01:03:51walking with no shoes, hungry and tired, the only thing left for him was to pick up some remnants

01:03:57off the ground. And when he left, he was, he was, he was killed by the IDF. Why? Because they lack

01:04:05discipline. They lack standards and they lack basic human decency. Now, do I think that they

01:04:13intentionally shot him or shot the people they were shooting at? No. But when you use machine guns

01:04:19and tank rounds and mortar rounds to control a crowd, what do you think is going to happen?

01:04:28And the United States stands by and watches it. In the press conference that GHF gave last night,

01:04:35will the IDF shoot to control the crowd? We only shoot at the crowd in the air around them or at

01:04:40their feet. We don't shoot into them. Unacceptable behavior. That is not how professionals behave when

01:04:48dealing with a civilian population. You use things like signs. What I thought would be another great,

01:04:53great tool would have been a loudspeaker with a microphone with an interpreter.

01:04:59Because no one there speaks Arabic and they don't speak English. So when you're dealing with a crowd

01:05:04of eight to 9,000 people and you're trying to communicate with them. And I was like, how about

01:05:10before we start shooting, how about we do two things? One, we provide a loudspeaker with a,

01:05:15with a translator. Two, we could put signage. We put signs out there that say, go this way,

01:05:22go that way, turn left. They don't know where they're going. They don't live here. It's a war

01:05:26zone. So the only way I could describe the sites is death traps. And they didn't become death traps.

01:05:33They were designed as death traps. And the United States puts aid and we lure them in. And when they

01:05:38leave, they get shot at coming and they get shot at going. So the reports you hear from,

01:05:43from Nasser Hospital, which is about five kilometers from site number two, Nasser Hospital,

01:05:48that you hear all the reports of dead, dead civilians coming in to get treated. The doctors

01:05:52have said, this is grotesque. Doctors have testified that every time GHF does a distribution

01:05:58at site one, two, or three, which the road from those goes directly to the Nasser Hospital,

01:06:03they get a massive influx of patients to what they call mass casualties, an MCI,

01:06:08mass casualty incident every time. Have you ever heard of any other country do it?

01:06:13Any, I've never heard of anything like this, but I haven't spent 25 years deployed in war zones.

01:06:18I just want, I've never seen it. You've never seen this anywhere.

01:06:23Anywhere to this scale. Now in other countries that I've been in with partner forces,

01:06:27are there sometimes, uh, you know, an errant or undisciplined, you know, bad apple in the group

01:06:32that you discipline and you correct that behavior. I've seen that at this scale to where it's widely

01:06:37accepted, but then to also the fact that the, um, the UG solutions contractors also do it under

01:06:43the guise of, well, the IDF do it. So we're fine with doing it. Never, never have I seen an American

01:06:49behave this way. Never have I seen an army and I, you know, I've, I've seen some pretty, uh,

01:06:56ragtag armies in my day. Um, and never have I seen this level of depravity and just disrespect

01:07:03for human dignity. And it's, I mean, the word I keep using, cause it's the only way I can describe

01:07:09it is because America is giving tax dollars to it. It's un-American.

01:07:16Now there has, you came out and told this story, I think two days ago, uh, or a couple of days ago

01:07:22for the first time in public that I'm aware of. And, uh, there was immediate pushback as there always

01:07:27is. Um, and your integrity was called into question. You're a liar, you're a propagandist

01:07:33and this boy is not dead. This boy is not dead is, is what they, is what they said. Um, can you address

01:07:39that?

01:07:42I, I directly communicated to the, the lawyer in the GHF press conference that I demanded that he retract

01:07:50that and I gave him the facts. And this is why the picture that they used, that GHF used and has

01:07:59circulated the picture they have of a small boy with a contractor with his hands on their, on his

01:08:04head, juxtaposed to the picture of, of me that I took with this boy standing next to me. What's

01:08:10ironic is that the picture they have of the man, of the contractor standing there with his hand on,

01:08:15on the boy's head. I took that picture too. It's like they're giving them my, it's like they're

01:08:21giving me back my own material as proof to the material. It's, it's absurd. So the, the picture

01:08:28that I have this, this picture with me, myself and Amir and everybody on site, that is distribution site

01:08:35number two on the 29th of May. That picture has been geolocated, metadata checked. It's legit.

01:08:43The picture that they provided to say, well, look, here's a picture of this contractor, uh, two days

01:08:50later with Amir. Disgusting, disgusting. That picture that I took, the guy with his hand on the kid's

01:09:00head is from site number four on the 1st of June. There is no way physically possible that the child

01:09:08could have gotten from site two, sites one, two, and three are all the way in the South,

01:09:11South of the Morag corridor. Site number four is all the way in the central at the, at the

01:09:17Nessarim corridor. Nobody can cross between those two areas. So unless he, unless he flew there or

01:09:23beamed him up and he transported there, that wouldn't be him. But number two, you put the

01:09:29pictures right next to each other, not, not kind of like here and here, but right next to each other.

01:09:33It's obvious. They're not the same person. They don't have the same hair. They don't have the

01:09:36same teeth. Their ears are a different size. I ran it through an AI generator and it said,

01:09:40that's not the same person because it's not the same person. So Amir was killed on the 29th of

01:09:45May. Why would this humanitarian foundation, who's funding we know nothing about, you worked for them

01:09:51and you still know nothing about them. I'm sure they're taking U.S. tax dollars run by this.

01:09:55Well, they are. That's a fact.

01:09:57They're taking U.S. tax dollars run by this Christian Zionist kind of preacher. Maybe it's

01:10:02not exactly clear who he is. I looked him up online. He's got all kinds of business ventures

01:10:06that don't, you know, I'm not going to pass judgment, but, but he also says he's a preacher.

01:10:12Johnny Moore, this Christian leader, why would a Christian leader try to hide the fact that a child

01:10:22was murdered?

01:10:22So here's, here's my take on it is that, um, and the other thing is that there's, there's

01:10:30humanitarian organizations in, in Gaza that are currently from that photo looking for the next

01:10:36of kin. And that will come out soon when they confirm that, that he is dead. Um, that has also

01:10:42been put out to the, to the Nasser hospital to confirm, you know, that that boy was, was brought

01:10:47in on the, the, when he was, if he was brought in. So the truth, the truth will come out.

01:10:52The truth always wins. I've known that in my entire life. The truth always wins. And I know

01:10:58it's the truth because from the picture they provided on site four and the picture they

01:11:02provided on site two, I took those pictures. I was standing there. Like I took those pictures.

01:11:08So the, for the concept to say that, Oh, look, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the

01:11:12same site. First of all, they said, here's a mirror a couple of days later at the same

01:11:16site. Well, that's not true because the picture that they have from a couple of days later is

01:11:21from site number four. I was there. I took the picture. They're not the same child.

01:11:25Why the coverup or why the line? So when they say that I have an agenda political, whatever

01:11:30it may be, there's absolutely no evidence of that. I've never run for office. I don't

01:11:34own a business. I don't write books. I don't have some kind of platform. I don't have a podcast.

01:11:38I don't even have social media. I mean, they shut down my, my, my space account last month

01:11:42because they took it down from, you know, from the web. So I don't even have my space

01:11:46anymore. So I have nothing like, I have no skin in the game of this, but to tell the truth,

01:11:50what they have in the game is a lot of money to the tune of tens of millions, hundreds of millions

01:11:56of dollars. So do they care about a Palestinian life or the, that the people know about that life

01:12:04over making hundreds of millions of dollars? Well, the American people can judge that. Who do you want

01:12:11to believe? A 25 year veteran who went to West Point where our motto is duty, honor country,

01:12:17a cadet will not lie cheap or steal or tolerate those that do. And I lived that motto and graduated

01:12:22from West Point and lived that motto in my army career. And I have nothing to gain from any of this

01:12:27whatsoever at all. That I was there and I took the pictures and I witnessed it with my own eyes.

01:12:32And it brings me to tears. I'm a 43 year old man, 25 years in the army as a green beret.

01:12:38You think I went to acting school for this? It breaks my heart. So who are you going to believe?

01:12:46The evangelical Zionist who has billions of dollars to gain by this, by everything being

01:12:52just fine? Or the 25 year veteran green beret who went to West Point, who's been,

01:12:57who was under a purple heart for this country, who's bled on the battlefield for this country,

01:13:01who's earned valor awards for, for combat valor. Who are you going to believe? The guy that sits

01:13:06in Washington DC, that's been to Gaza once or, or his lawyer, who's never been to Gaza at all.

01:13:13Or are you going to believe the guy that was there that took the pictures that touched the boy

01:13:17that saw it with my own eyes? So who are you going to believe? That's what I offer.

01:13:24Yep. Well, I think most people watching will, will make up their minds on that pretty quickly.

01:13:27Uh, we are going to attempt to, to interview Johnny Moore. Um, and I, and I hope he agrees

01:13:33to that interview. So my last question is, um, and I just want to thank you a third time,

01:13:38uh, for taking the time for this conversation. Uh, I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful for your time

01:13:43and your platform. This is a, this is an important story and this, this is not my story. I'm simply the

01:13:49vessel to translate the story of the, of the people in Palestine, human beings, let's just call them

01:13:54human beings, human beings that are being treated with, with inhumanity. So I thank you for your

01:14:01time. This is, this is great. What should the Trump administration, what should the United States

01:14:06government do in response? I hope that every, every decision maker, and I'm going to do everything I

01:14:12can to make sure this happens, sees your testimony, sees this video, listens to what you just said,

01:14:18and you just experienced firsthand. Um, but how should they respond to it?

01:14:25Well, I'd also like the, the analysis that I had sent to your, your producers on the, you know,

01:14:30I created a product for them last night with the comparison of the boy they said was him and him

01:14:34and put them together with the, you know, the map data and everything. So sharing that would also be

01:14:38helpful because I think it's shameful, shameful to make a, to make a political position out of

01:14:44something like that. But it's also in a way kind of telling to where, you know, according to Johnny

01:14:48more, every Palestinian looks alike. Not a good look, Johnny. No. So not, not, not what our religion

01:14:56says that God knows every hair on your head and that each soul is distinct and created by God. I

01:15:01mean, that's a foundational Christian understanding of, of humanity. It's a great point. That's a great

01:15:07point for a self-described Christian preacher to say something like that is shocking to me.

01:15:11So, so your question on what should be done. Great question. Because that's, that's the,

01:15:18you know, the second part of my effort here is to, to take action. I don't, I don't just throw up

01:15:22problems. I want to provide solutions. And there's been thorough analysis done on this. I've done the

01:15:27analysis and I've got no, I I've already given it to UG solutions. I was like, here, here's the

01:15:33analysis I've done, you know, here you go. Um, so the, uh, the, the Gaza humanitarian foundation

01:15:42should cease to exist. And here's why the existence of the Gaza humanitarian foundation and its

01:15:49creation and existence creates a misnomer, a lie that this mechanism is working and that the UN is not

01:16:00needed. That's a lie. Regardless of what we call the method, whether it's GHF, whether it's the UN,

01:16:13whether it's Greta Thunberg handing out PBJ sandwiches on the Mediterranean beach,

01:16:18whatever the method is, it has to be able to feed 2.21 million people a day, three meals a day,

01:16:26every day and, and bring in water, uh, fuel. Remember the GHF aid brings no water, no pampers,

01:16:36no diapers, no fuel, no medicine, no hygiene products, just dried food, nothing else, nothing

01:16:41else. So the method, whatever it is needs to be a method that can handle the capacity of 500 to 550

01:16:49trucks a day, every day that can manage 400 to 500 sites throughout the entirety of Gaza.

01:16:57I mean, imagine if in the state of Florida, they said, Hey, you want food? You got to come down to

01:17:00Key West, everybody like it's absurd. So, you know, the, the method that needs to be in place has to be

01:17:09able to service four to 500 sites in Gaza needs to be able to service 500 to 550 trucks a day.

01:17:15That's the math. That's the math that's been done and they need to be do it every day. And they need

01:17:20to have experts in humanitarian assistance, doctors to understand medical assessments,

01:17:27veterinarians to look at the, you know, the, the animals to make sure that we're not spreading

01:17:30rabies, you know, all these things you don't think about that because I've done it so much.

01:17:34When you go to places like that, you're like, Oh yeah. Like if we, if we don't assess the animal

01:17:37population, everybody could die of rabies. We don't want that. All these things that go into that.

01:17:41Well, the UN provides that. That was the UN model. The UN model was taking in 550 to 600 trucks a day,

01:17:48going to 400 sites with doctors, veterans, nurses, teachers, water, fuel, enough food. That was the

01:17:57mechanism. So when it first came out that, Oh, well, the UN method just gives it all to Hamas.

01:18:02Well, Israel themselves, the intelligence apparatus within Israel, the American USAID,

01:18:09the American state department, other nations in the last day or two have all come out to say,

01:18:15there is no evidence that the humanitarian aid was going into the hands of Hamas at any rate that

01:18:22that's considerable to make an impact to the feeding. Now, was some of it going into the hands

01:18:26of Hamas? Well, sure. Because Hamas is amongst the population. I mean, again, how do you, who's Hamas?

01:18:31I mean, I know who they are politically, but like, how do you tell? Like, hey, are you Hamas? Well,

01:18:36they don't have their Hamas t-shirt on that day. I guess you won't know. So the mechanism in place

01:18:42now with what's being delivered, well, there's a cut going to Hamas. So we're delivering this much

01:18:48aid right now. And there's a cut going to Hamas where under the UN mechanism, we can deliver this

01:18:53much aid with that much potentially going to Hamas. It's no comparison. It's no question.

01:18:59The United States should cease funding the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation now today.

01:19:05Demand accountability on where that money went. Because I can tell you, seeing there and being

01:19:09there and the resources that we spent, I don't know where that 30 million went. It didn't go to Gaza.

01:19:14Somebody better check some bank accounts.

01:19:16Yes, immediately. But it wasn't the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that shot a mirror.

01:19:22So the question is, why would U.S. tax payers?

01:19:26Fair point.

01:19:27You described the IDF as totally without decency, undisciplined

01:19:31people who committed war crimes on a daily basis. Why would the U.S. government be funding that?

01:19:38So here's one thing that I will say that I want to make clear on the record.

01:19:42I have worked with the IDF on numerous occasions in my military career, not just in this mission.

01:19:55I also, I stand with Israel in condemning the violence of Hamas.

01:20:01Yes.

01:20:01When I got into Israel on May 19th, the very next day on the 20th, I had some time in the evening.

01:20:08I got a rental car and I went from Beersheba, that's where I was staying,

01:20:12before we started operations. And I drove to Kibbutz Bieri.

01:20:16Kibbutz Bieri is the kibbutz outside of Gate 96 that Hamas hit first when they came through Gate 96.

01:20:22That's the gate they broke. That's the gate they came through.

01:20:24And they slaughtered and murdered 300, plus 300 people in the kibbutz.

01:20:29Then they went to the Nova Film Festival.

01:20:30I went to those sites. I went there on purpose because I wanted to feel the gravity of Israel's position.

01:20:40I wanted to understand with my own eyes, not what I heard on the news, what I saw, but to feel it.

01:20:45And did I feel anger? Yes.

01:20:47Did I feel disgust? Yes.

01:20:49Did I feel sorrow, sadness, and pain and vengeance? Yes.

01:20:55But there are rules.

01:20:56If we lose our humanity in saying that, well, we're just going to do what Hamas did because they did it so we could do it to them, we've lost.

01:21:04Hamas has already won.

01:21:05We've lost our way.

01:21:07So what I plead to the people of Israel and to the Israeli army, let's not lose our way.

01:21:11America and Israel, let's not lose our way.

01:21:15Let's stay the course of what's tried and true and what we've known throughout life.

01:21:18And that's dignity and respect for humans.

01:21:21We all demand that.

01:21:23So the relationship with the IDF.

01:21:25I don't characterize all of the IDF that way.

01:21:30The forces that are deployed in the South, the IDF reserve conscripts, need to be better trained

01:21:38and better equipped and have better leadership to be in the situation that they're in now.

01:21:45Imagine, if you will, if the United States went to war and all of the U.S. Army Rangers

01:21:50and all of the U.S. Army Green Berets and all of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne was gone and deployed

01:21:54and we needed more people, so we call up the Boy Scout PAC-902 and say,

01:22:00get your guns, boys.

01:22:02We who called them up would be doing them a disservice.

01:22:06Israel has done the IDF a disservice.

01:22:08And they're in a position where they're in way over their heads.

01:22:12So the behavior that I saw is classic.

01:22:16I've seen this throughout my entire career.

01:22:18It's a matter of discipline.

01:22:20It's a matter of leadership.

01:22:22And the same thing I say that I've said before, my issues with the GHF down,

01:22:28it's not the men on the ground that are trying to do their best in the situation they're in.

01:22:33Now, have some made some bad decisions that have done things that are just completely

01:22:36off the field?

01:22:38Yes, they have.

01:22:39There's always a bad actor.

01:22:41But it's the leadership.

01:22:42The leadership has failed to provide guidance and resources in education and training.

01:22:47Same with the IDF in Gaza.

01:22:49Their leadership has failed them because they've put them into a situation that is untenable

01:22:53and that you cannot avoid.

01:22:56You can't avoid the civilian deaths because 8,000 to 9,000 people rushing through your – imagine

01:23:03if you're an infantry platoon leader and you have your patrol base and you're protecting

01:23:07your platoon and you're defending yourself and 8,000 to 9,000 people rush through your area.

01:23:13What are you supposed to do?

01:23:17There's not much you can do.

01:23:19And the leadership haven't provided them with any guidance on how to control that situation,

01:23:22just like they didn't provide any guidance to the UG Solutions personnel on how to control

01:23:26that situation.

01:23:27This is a leadership problem that touches all the way down to the tactical level.

01:23:32Now, the IDF should be held accountable for that.

01:23:36Regardless of why it happened, when you shoot at civilians with tanks, mortars, rifles, machine

01:23:41guns, when you purposely displace the population, when you purposely use razor wire, again, razor

01:23:50wire banned by the Geneva Convention for the use of civilian purposes for hospitals, water

01:23:54points, and distribution sites, and that's what we're using, razor wire, and the UG Solutions

01:23:58asked for that.

01:23:59When they did, I was like, whoa, ho, step back, cowboy.

01:24:03That's not a good idea.

01:24:04That violates Geneva Convention.

01:24:05We can't use razor wire.

01:24:06Well, there's no difference.

01:24:08And I was like, there is.

01:24:09There's a difference between barbed wire, concertina wire, and razor wire.

01:24:13And razor wire is specifically condemned to the Geneva Convention to use at civilian sites.

01:24:16Don't use it.

01:24:17Ah, IDF gave it to us.

01:24:19They said it was fine.

01:24:20Okay, so let's just rack up another war crime.

01:24:23So the IDF should be held accountable.

01:24:26These things should be investigated.

01:24:29The IDF, I think, they've already kind of alluded to this.

01:24:33I don't know if it's happening or not.

01:24:35And, you know, they seriously need to go through their army and have a seriously restructuring

01:24:40of discipline and standards and leadership.

01:24:43I'm not prepared to say that the entire IDF is that way.

01:24:46But from what I saw from an entire division, the 403rd Division Israeli Reserve in the South,

01:24:52they need a serious sit-down talk amongst themselves to fix themselves because it's going off the rails.

01:25:03Colonel, I'm grateful.

01:25:07God bless you for doing this.

01:25:08You don't benefit from it.

01:25:09You will be attacked.

01:25:11I think anyone who watches what you just said can make up his own mind about your credibility and your integrity.

01:25:17But from my perspective, you are absolutely the best that we send.

01:25:21And so, again, God bless you.

01:25:27I appreciate the time.

01:25:28And thank you for all you do.

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