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00:00I've got all my stuff, Goosey Girl.
00:10Keys.
00:13Goosey Girl can't come.
00:15It's a girls trip.
00:17Jessica and Ashley and I are flying up to Massachusetts,
00:20Boston and Salem specifically.
00:22Come on, I'm going to put you upstairs with your daddy.
00:25Angie will be meeting us a little bit later,
00:27and I am so excited.
00:29Like, this girl's trip could not have come soon enough.
00:33Todd?
00:34Uh huh?
00:35Call, oh, take this dog.
00:37Goosey.
00:38Okay, go see daddy.
00:40Goosey Girl.
00:41Oh my God, she wants to go.
00:42Goosey Girl.
00:43As soon as Debbie and Ruth from Pineapple Studios in London
00:46encouraged me to visit the Boston Ballet,
00:48I started, like, my wheels turning planning this trip.
00:51Not to break your heart.
00:53Goosey Girl.
00:54Bye girl.
00:55Oh my God, I can't take it.
00:58I've actually never attended a ballet in my life,
01:01if you can believe it.
01:02But I think I'm even more excited for my trip to Salem
01:05and spooky, witchy, paranormal stuff.
01:09We're bound to be witches, bitches.
01:11Well, Jessica and I have changed our seats like 42 times.
01:21We are right behind each other, though.
01:23Yes, we are.
01:24Nicely.
01:25And right behind everyone else.
01:26I'm going to kick the back of her seat the whole time.
01:28I probably won't notice because we visited the bar on the way in.
01:31We did.
01:32Austin, here we come.
01:47Hey!
01:48You got something that I need.
01:55Ooh, ooh, ooh.
01:58Oh, isn't it just cute enough?
02:02Public Garden, founded 1837.
02:05This is our first night out in Boston,
02:07and we are just sophisticated ladies out on the town.
02:10I love this.
02:12It's a lot of hustle and bustle.
02:13A lot more bustle than Greensboro, that's for sure.
02:15And the temperature is just...
02:18Freezing.
02:18Cool enough.
02:20I'm excited to meet Angie.
02:22I feel like I'll recognize her immediately
02:24because from the pictures, she looks exactly like my dad.
02:28She's going to meet us at the restaurant.
02:30I'm so excited to meet Angie.
02:31I've heard so much about her,
02:33and it sounds like she is a good time.
02:36And, like, how's Whitney going to have a sister
02:38that I've never even met?
02:40Let's go get inside somewhere.
02:41It's pretty windy.
02:42Woo!
02:43Ah!
02:44My coochie had to come out.
02:49Now that's going to be a really good restaurant.
02:51Woo!
02:51Ooh, careful.
02:52Step up.
02:52She's got on her heels.
02:54I only wear heels in Boston.
02:56Being at home, there was such a weight on my shoulders,
02:59like, thinking about getting pregnant
03:01and whether I'm just genuinely happy in Greensboro or not.
03:04So it feels really good to be out of town.
03:06It's just the feeling of new things,
03:09excitement, possibilities ahead,
03:11and nothing but a whole lot of fun.
03:15Oh, my God!
03:16You made it!
03:17Yes!
03:18Dang!
03:20Angie, it's so nice to meet you.
03:21I know!
03:22Oh, my God!
03:23Yeah, y'all never met!
03:24Yes!
03:24Ashley, this is Angie.
03:27I would recognize you.
03:28This is my sister.
03:29I know, right?
03:30So weird to hear.
03:31How crazy.
03:32I know.
03:32Does she look exactly like Glenn Thorpe?
03:34Exactly like Glenn.
03:34You do!
03:35And look, she got the Thorpe hair.
03:36Her hair looks great.
03:36That none of us got.
03:37I am so excited for this girls' trip to, you know,
03:41spend time with Whitney and her friends
03:42and party with them.
03:44If there's one thing Alabama girls know how to do,
03:47it's have a good time.
03:49Does she not look just like Glenn Thorpe?
03:51Look at her.
03:52She is Glenn Thorpe.
03:53I do look more like him,
03:55and I honestly act more like him than you.
03:57Oh, you look...
03:58I don't look anything like him.
03:58Oh, yeah, for sure.
03:59I look like my mom.
04:00You know what?
04:01When I was sick the other week,
04:02I had a breakdown.
04:03I started thinking about my mommy
04:04because I didn't have nobody take care of me,
04:06and I was just like, oh, my God.
04:07Like, I just felt so, yeah.
04:09Yeah, I can't imagine that.
04:10I still call my mom when I get really died.
04:13I'm good.
04:14I don't want to talk about it.
04:15Yeah.
04:17Today's been good, though.
04:19Like, peaceful.
04:20Good.
04:21Yeah.
04:21That's the first time I've felt like that since he died, so.
04:23No.
04:24You know, the death of my dad is still very raw,
04:28and I got back to work three days after his funeral,
04:31so I feel like I haven't done a whole lot of processing.
04:33You know, I get upset and emotional at the drop of a dime,
04:39so the best part of being in Boston,
04:41it's just the one time that I've got out of the house
04:43to try to think about something other than my dad.
04:48You want to tell them about our double date?
04:52Was it that bad?
04:54Isaiah put us on a double date.
04:56So what sports did you play?
04:58For, like, the past seven or eight years,
04:59I've really been into badminton.
05:01I actually love badminton.
05:02Do you really?
05:03I do.
05:04You should come to our badminton club.
05:08He was very polite.
05:09He was very nice.
05:10Were you attracted to him?
05:11No.
05:12And there was nothing wrong with him,
05:13and I don't want to give that impression.
05:14But the worst part is that we have to go out with him again.
05:16Why?
05:17Because Isaiah told him that we'd go out with him again
05:19and play badminton.
05:20Whitney, I think you should at least, you know,
05:22give him a chance.
05:23I just have a very, like, I don't know,
05:25a very specific thing that I need in life.
05:28Well, that's good.
05:28You know, and I know it when I see it, you know?
05:32The problem is that they don't know it when they see it.
05:36Then they ain't it.
05:38What I need is a man that's confident.
05:40It's like this.
05:40It's even, like, with friends.
05:41If I walk into a room,
05:42and I'm the smartest person in the room,
05:44I don't want to be there.
05:44They say you shouldn't ever want to be the smartest person.
05:47If you're the smartest person in the room,
05:48you're in the wrong room.
05:49And Lord knows I have been the smartest person
05:51in every relationship I have ever been with.
05:52I think here's the problem.
05:54Oh, God, lay it on me.
05:56I don't, but lay it on me.
05:57I feel like you need a very strong man.
06:00Correct.
06:00Like, someone that you can kind of, like,
06:02respect.
06:03Correct.
06:03And even, like, look up to a little bit.
06:06Who challenges me?
06:07Yes.
06:07Who's smarter than me?
06:08But the thing is, you hate to be challenged.
06:11Well, by someone dumber than me, sure.
06:13Everything you need in a man
06:14are, like, things that you don't tend to take to so well.
06:17What the f**k?
06:26I never meet a man that's got those qualities that I like.
06:30Think about this.
06:31Think about every man I've ever been with.
06:33And they all treated me like f**k, and I stayed.
06:35But that's because that's all I had available to me.
06:38Whitney does not want anyone
06:39who is going to try to tell her how to live her life.
06:43But what she desires is a strong, opinionated person
06:48who likes to be in control of the situation.
06:51And, like, Whitney's either going to have to compromise
06:54or just find a needle in a haystack.
06:59I see you with, like, an executive of some sort.
07:02Are you okay with someone dominant?
07:05You're pretty dominant.
07:06Because I have to be.
07:07I would love a man to be dominant.
07:09That's exactly what I'm saying.
07:10Because I've dated men who can't call the peeps a man.
07:12I mean, what else am I to do?
07:15No, I like a dominant man.
07:18You need a confident man.
07:20If I didn't have to be Glenn Thor,
07:22do you know what I mean?
07:23Like, if I had a man who could make a vacation binder,
07:24if I had a man who knew how to book a flight,
07:26if I had a man who had the money to book a flight,
07:30wow, never have that.
07:31But are you going to sit back and let them do it?
07:33Because you look at them.
07:34Angie, they don't know how.
07:35But if they do.
07:37God, I just want a man, a real f**king man.
07:39I'm never going to, like, not be who I am.
07:43I'm always going to be a confident, dominant, direct person
07:45who can fend for myself.
07:47But my God, if I had a man that I knew I could depend on,
07:52I don't even, I can't even imagine what it's like.
07:55I just think that the older you get with dating,
07:59the harder it gets.
08:01And I'm in a very small little bubble
08:03with not a lot of single men in Greensboro.
08:06And it's gotten me a little bit down about dating,
08:09but I don't want it to let me get down about myself.
08:12Cheers to Boston and cheers to finding a man
08:15who can call the pizza guy.
08:17Cheers.
08:17Cheers.
08:18Cheers to that, honestly.
08:20I don't think I'd say I could order a pizza either.
08:22Well, I'm happy to get out of Greensboro, I'll tell you that.
08:25I just feel like a different person when I travel.
08:27It's not excitement, it's something to live for, you know?
08:29Yeah, it is.
08:30Well, I'm excited about the ballet.
08:31Like, I've never been to a ballet, but...
08:33Me neither.
08:33I've seen lots of dance performances,
08:35and I've been in lots of sports,
08:36but I've never actually seen a ballet.
08:38What I am most excited about is Salem.
08:41That is right up my alley.
08:42Trying to talk to some dead people.
08:43Trying to talk to some dead people.
08:44I'm trying to go all the way down to hell and back.
08:47Well...
08:47I need a contract signed, sealed, and delivered
08:49that we will be sent back.
08:51The farthest I'll go is purgatory.
08:54I'm not coming to Salem to not be possessed.
08:58Okay, y'all are going off the deep end of it.
09:01Y'all, I don't know about y'all.
09:03Good spirits are coming to me.
09:05I'm just telling you.
09:06We're channeling demons, Angie.
09:08We're not calling demons.
09:11Demons.
09:11No, it's not demons.
09:13Y'all can do the demons.
09:14I'm doing good spirits and good ghosts.
09:16Okay, we'll pretend like you have a choice, Angie.
09:19Possession.
09:19You say up and you get what ghosts you get, honey.
09:23Okay?
09:23I can't let y'all walk in my...
09:25Angie is like deep-fried Whitney.
09:28Like, she's just like ultra-southern Whitney.
09:31I'm seeing similarities already.
09:34Deep-fried Whitney.
09:36I meant it to be cute.
09:39I can't wait to meet Damon.
09:41Yeah, you're going to if somebody comes up around you screaming Damon.
09:51I swear, you're the worst, Damon.
09:54Angie, you are so funny.
09:57I didn't know who Damon was.
09:58I was just eating my steak.
10:00I'm so good.
10:02Are we close?
10:12It's right there.
10:12Oh, it's Boston Ballet.
10:13Boston Ballet.
10:14I see it.
10:14Come on now.
10:15I've got to take a picture so I can prove to Ruth that I came.
10:19I am so glad that Ruth basically tasked me with going to the Boston Ballet.
10:24Oh, look at how beautiful it is.
10:27Boston is wonderful.
10:28You can walk to dinner.
10:29You can walk to the ballet.
10:31Like, you just can't get that in Greensboro.
10:35Swan Lake is amazing.
10:36I was absolutely entranced.
10:38I loved watching it.
10:40Dance is something that always gets me excited.
10:42And this is exactly what I need at the beginning of what I hope is going to be a really life-affirming trip.
10:51Okay, spirits, we're going to take a tour of the house.
10:55This is not really fat-friendly, I'm going to be honest with you.
10:58This is a very creepy room.
10:59Oh, my God.
11:00This is my room.
11:02Oh, no, ma'am.
11:12I'm so excited.
11:15Okay, ladies.
11:17We ready?
11:18Salem, here we come.
11:20Here we come, witches.
11:23Girls trip.
11:26I love that.
11:28Oh, my God.
11:29What if a black cat crosses our path in Salem?
11:31Do I have to take it home?
11:32Yeah, you get out the car, turn around three times, and get back in the car.
11:36I'm trying to be hanged.
11:37Oh, I can't wait to meet Damon.
11:39Got to be some daemons.
11:42Corinne and Sabrina, they're really nice.
11:46They're so cute.
11:47They're so pretty.
11:48And they're already there.
11:49What is their podcast about?
11:51It's called Two Girls, One Ghost.
11:53They do all spooky shit.
11:55Anything.
11:55Do they go to different places?
11:57No, well, I mean, occasionally they do an investigation or something, but mostly they just talk about things.
12:02Boston is a vibe, but honestly, I think Salem is going to be a bigger vibe.
12:06It is known as Witch City, USA.
12:09It's spooky, it's coastal, it's cool, but perhaps the best thing about Salem is that Corinne and Sabrina are there.
12:17They live in the area.
12:18I've never met them in real life.
12:20I've just become friends with them online, and I could not ask for better tour guides than a couple of self-proclaimed baby witches.
12:27Do you know if Sabrina and Corinne have ever experienced any?
12:32Oh, yeah.
12:33Oh.
12:34Corinne grew up in a haunted house.
12:35Oh.
12:36They've had lots of haunts.
12:37Oh, I can't wait to meet a haint.
12:40Every time you say that, I think you're saying taint.
12:43Oh, my God.
12:45Don't be bringing that up in that house.
12:48We're only doing good.
12:49Dark magic and daemons only.
12:51They're just going to keep talking about these demons and stuff, and they're going to learn the hard way.
12:58That's not something we joke around about.
13:01Okay, thank you.
13:02You too.
13:04That's for your IVF?
13:06No.
13:07What?
13:07I had my annual, like, beginning of February, so, you know, Isaiah and I had said we would try on our own until end of the year,
13:15and then we would start talking about IVF, but honestly, the closer it gets to it, like, I just, I don't know.
13:22It just scares the s*** out of me.
13:23I just really don't want to do it.
13:25Why?
13:25Like, it's going to be a last resort for me.
13:27There have been claims about higher risk of cancer after doing IVF treatments.
13:33With all the cancer that's been in my family, I'm like, my chances are already high.
13:38I don't want to increase them any further.
13:40I'm telling you, when I did all those drugs just to, you know, get the eggs for them to harvest, that's what gave me my melasma.
13:49Oh, really?
13:49Melasma's hormonal.
13:50Like, I would not want to do it again.
13:52It was really hard on my body, just the first part.
13:55I'm like, well, I already have my eggs in the freezer.
13:57Maybe I'll just, you know, do IVF.
13:58And then I'm like, it's so expensive.
14:00Surrogacy's so expensive.
14:02I just threw my hands up.
14:03I said, well, I'm going to just inseminate and see what happens.
14:06I've been feeling so disappointed that my insemination didn't take.
14:12And it's really hard to listen to Jessica and her challenges.
14:17I mean, she's been trying to get pregnant for, like, two years.
14:19And it's like, whew, I'm almost 41 years old.
14:23I gave myself three chances to try to get pregnant.
14:26If this second try doesn't work, I don't want to run out of time.
14:30Look at the ocean.
14:32Do y'all want to stop?
14:33Well, yeah.
14:34Let's go look at the ocean.
14:35Let's get out.
14:38You ready?
14:39Are we going?
14:39Yeah.
14:39Oh.
14:40I do feel like Whitney has, like, sort of a lightness about her when she's traveling.
14:46Doesn't one want to just frolic?
14:48All of her cares can stay at home and she's really going to live it up.
14:52So I think this trip was a great idea for her to get her mind off of getting pregnant, having a baby.
14:58Here, I'm going to frolic.
14:59But don't run too fast because then you'll make me look bad.
15:02You want me to frolic in these temperatures?
15:04Let's just jog.
15:04Let's just jog.
15:06Here we go.
15:06Okay.
15:07What are y'all doing?
15:08Just like.
15:09Whitney's not doing any of that.
15:12We don't go too fast.
15:14Okay.
15:14We've arrived.
15:38We've arrived.
15:39Witchers!
15:40There's just New England enough.
15:44I know, right?
15:45Cute.
15:46Look at that little house.
15:47Witch Dungeon Museum.
15:49Dungeon Museum.
15:50This is so cute.
15:52I feel like I would want to live here.
15:54Exactly.
15:55Oh, for sure.
15:56Y'all, is that it?
15:57I think that's it.
15:58Mm-hmm.
15:59There it is.
16:01It's a demon.
16:02I only know the little bit that I've read about the Henry Derby house, but apparently
16:07it is famously haunted.
16:09People have had lots of spooky experiences here.
16:13Built for Henry Derby.
16:14Taylor.
16:141838 Historic Sailor.
16:17Sure.
16:18Corinne and Sabrina actually stayed here and covered it on their podcast, but I cannot
16:22wait to see this for myself.
16:23All right, witches.
16:25Are you ready?
16:26No, I'm scared.
16:26I'm so ready.
16:27Okay, yeah, yeah.
16:27Get me in there.
16:28Do you have to ring the doorbell?
16:29Are you just going in?
16:30I'm going in the doorbell.
16:32Well?
16:33Oh, I'm dead.
16:35Oh, I'm dead about it.
16:36Oh, my God.
16:38What?
16:39Let's get going.
16:42Oh, my God.
16:44Oh, my gosh.
16:45His hair is hilarious.
16:47Oh, look at this.
16:48Oh, my God.
16:55My first impression of Corinne and Sabrina is that they scared the out of me, so that's
17:00on brand for them.
17:01Like, they're beautiful, they're wonderful, and I am so excited to meet them in all of
17:06the flesh.
17:07Welcome to Salem.
17:08Yeah, welcome.
17:09Welcome to the haunted house.
17:10I'm so excited.
17:11Let's bring that energy into finding some ghosts in here.
17:14Yeah, how do you guys feel?
17:16Angie's face, I'm dying.
17:19Where's my rosary?
17:20Because I need it with me right now.
17:22Now, Angie, this is my half-sister.
17:24She wants to conjure a daemon.
17:26No.
17:27She does.
17:28We're doing good spirits.
17:29I didn't say I do, too.
17:30No, I want good spirits.
17:33See, you're like Corinne.
17:34She doesn't like the black magic.
17:35No, I want good spirits.
17:36But I want to go all the way down to hell and back.
17:38Okay.
17:38Well, then you go with her, and I'm going with you.
17:42You never know when you're meeting someone who you've talked to online.
17:45You don't know what it's going to be like in person, but Whitney is so nice.
17:48She's just so warm.
17:50She feels like sister witch energy.
17:51Yeah, sister witch.
17:52Whitney's a good witch.
17:55And a bad bitch.
17:56This is the room where we were sitting right here on this couch.
18:02We were all talking, and we heard a girl singing in the house.
18:07I heard that.
18:08The third floor, though, is very creepy.
18:11Don't sleep up there.
18:13And if you want to see the devil, I don't know, maybe.
18:18Also, this house is on the judge's line, which is in Salem.
18:21The judge's line is the...
18:22Okay, sorry.
18:23This might freak you out.
18:23Hold your rosary.
18:24Oh, my God.
18:26Absolutely.
18:26The judge's line is...
18:28It's like this really weird, freaky thing where there's basically a straight line from where
18:33the witch trials began to where they ended, so it's all witch trial related.
18:37So it'll be like the high sheriff's house who was basically condemning all of these people
18:43to death.
18:44His house is on the line.
18:45This house is on the line, and it goes all the way until it ends at Proctor's Ledge,
18:49which is where all of the accused witches were hanged.
18:53Okay, then.
18:54I'm not really a believer in ghosts or spirits or things like that, but I'm open to it.
19:05Like, I'm open to seeing something that could make me a believer, and I almost kind of hope
19:10to.
19:11So when y'all are doing the podcast, I hear, like, when you're doing investigations, you'll
19:15just hear somebody be like, unacceptable.
19:18It's an app on my phone.
19:19It's the one app that no matter where we are, like, the voices change.
19:24Do you have it right now?
19:25Yeah.
19:25Pull it out.
19:25This is exciting.
19:29So all of the paranormal investigators use it.
19:32It's basically a conduit for spirits and entities and whatever to communicate with you.
19:39I cannot wait to see what comes through or who comes through.
19:47Hello.
19:47Thank you for having us here.
19:49We are here not to elicit any sort of negative reaction from you, not to make you perform in
19:55any way.
19:56We are just curious about you, curious about the house.
19:58If there are any spirits here and you would like to introduce yourselves, you can form words
20:02and let us know.
20:13Are you looking for me?
20:16Nope.
20:18I don't know.
20:22Holy y'all, there is actually a spirit trying to communicate with us in this house.
20:27I just got chills.
20:32I just got chills now, too.
20:59Okay, I have really some chills.
21:01We will come.
21:03Will you come?
21:04Please do.
21:06We're going to party.
21:07This is awesome.
21:08You're welcome anytime.
21:10We can just leave this running.
21:12I really don't know if somebody is messing with me, but apparently ghosts are communicating
21:18with Whitney on the phone.
21:20That's not real.
21:22The skepticism lives on.
21:25It's funny that I'm like, oh my God, we could say anything.
21:27In my mind, I was about to be like, what's your favorite color?
21:31Do you guys want to see the third floor?
21:34Yes.
21:35Absolutely.
21:36So we've actually been to the Henry Derby house before, and it is probably the most haunted
21:40house in Salem that you can actually stay at.
21:43Okay, spirits, we're going to take a tour of the house.
21:46And as we go into the bedroom, sleeping in a particular bedroom.
21:49I'm outside.
21:50I'm outside.
21:51I'm outside.
21:52Hmm.
21:52There are a bunch of different ghosts, all associated with the history of the Salem witch
21:57trials.
21:58And the third floor is the most haunted.
22:00Mm-hmm.
22:02So right over here is the pink room.
22:05Okay.
22:05And that is where you can sleep if you are most scared.
22:09Most afraid.
22:10Okay, pink room is most afraid.
22:12Okay.
22:14The house used to operate as a bed and breakfast, too.
22:17So there has been a lot of people who've stayed the night.
22:20Also, the original family, the Derbys who lived here, all seven of their children were
22:24born in this house.
22:26Oh, wow.
22:27Do we know, like, what the energies in this room are like?
22:30Because I'm liking it.
22:31I love the moon.
22:32I feel like the pillow's calling me.
22:34I do not know what the vibes are, but if you're picking up on good energy, then maybe this
22:38is where you should sleep.
22:38Yeah.
22:39All right, should we go to the third floor?
22:41Yeah, let's go to the third floor.
22:43Get it over with.
22:44This is not really fat-friendly, I'm going to be honest with you.
22:48Oh, Lord.
22:49Go on, honey.
22:50I'm going to come up in the back.
22:51Will you go ahead?
22:52This is a very creepy room.
22:54Oh, my God.
22:55This is my room.
22:56I would love this for you.
22:58And look, you're just, like, just the right height.
23:01Oh, my God.
23:02I feel like we're on a train.
23:04That room, I actually don't mind this room back here.
23:07Oh, no, ma'am.
23:10Oh, the doll?
23:11No, ma'am, no, sir.
23:13No, ma'am.
23:15Why is she looking at me like that?
23:17We need this.
23:17This is where you can sleep.
23:18No.
23:19You said you want a physical touch.
23:21You can cuddle.
23:22This is not right.
23:24Great.
23:25I just do not like her.
23:27If I, you know, if I was staying the night, I'd...
23:29Glasses.
23:30Okay, go on.
23:32What?
23:32Glasses.
23:34Is that what that just said?
23:35It just said glasses.
23:36She's making note of you.
23:38What's your name, sweet girl?
23:40That is my girl, Courtney.
23:44So you said no one should sleep up here?
23:46Depends on what you want.
23:47Oh.
23:48I want that room.
23:50What room?
23:51That one over there.
23:51Why is she here?
23:52What?
23:55Are you sure you want that room?
23:59We definitely made the right choice by staying here as creepy as it is.
24:04Like, this house ties into all of the history about Salem, and it just feels like it's teeming with an energy.
24:12I really want to have an experience.
24:14Like, I don't want to be...
24:15Well, yeah, I do.
24:16I think I want to be freaked out.
24:19Well, when in Salem, you have to do witchy things.
24:21So we called upon an actual witchy person, a psychic medium from Pentagram, Leanne.
24:27Uh-huh.
24:28She's going to come over tonight, and we're going to do a seance in the background.
24:30Oh, my God.
24:31Love that.
24:32I'm so excited.
24:33We've never done a seance, either.
24:35We've done so many investigations.
24:36Never have done a seance.
24:37Well, and also, this is a good time for you now, if there's anyone that you've recently lost,
24:42or someone that you want to be in communication with, to kind of put out that invitation for them to come through tonight during the seance.
24:48And my mom, and Jess's dad.
24:51Failure.
24:55Honestly, right now, in this moment, it feels too soon for me to try to call for my dad.
25:05My dad grew up very religious and remained very religious until the day he died.
25:11And I think that the idea of, like, a seance and bringing spirits forward would all just be kind of, like, a silly, this-isn't-real joke to him.
25:23But I'm just here to see what happens, and I don't know.
25:26If dad comes through, he comes through, but I'm not going to go looking for him.
25:31But, yeah, you could just put that out there now.
25:32I would love to talk to the edge.
25:33And as you're unpacking, invite them into the space, and then maybe Leanne will pick up on their energy.
25:38Mm-hmm.
25:39I've never felt my mom or anything.
25:41I always wanted to.
25:42And when she was dying, I would always lay in the bed with her, and I said to her, like, you know, are you going to always be with me?
25:49And she said, I'll try.
25:50I'll try.
25:53Connecting with my mom during the seance would be incredible.
25:57I don't know what I would want her to say or what message she would give me, but just knowing that we were connected in any way would be enough for me.
26:08The fact that Corinne and Sabrina were so invested in arranging all of this for us, like, where have these witches been for the last 30 damn years?
26:19I told everybody to bring, like, a black witchy outfit because I thought that would be fun.
26:22Should we dress for the occasion?
26:25Absolutely.
26:25Okay.
26:25Because this is a coven now.
26:27Yeah.
26:28Stop.
26:28We're all bonded.
26:30Sister, I'm just calling us the coven.
26:33We're so happy you're here.
26:34All right.
26:34All right, witches.
26:35All right, bitch.
26:36I mean, witches.
26:36Wrap it up.
26:37Witches.
26:40Have you ever experienced a romantic thing with a paranormal entity?
26:44Oh.
26:44Yes.
26:45Did you just have sex?
26:47What?
26:47See, now, Sabrina is my kind of witch.
26:49Just skip the small talk, straight to go sex.
26:52I would take that.
26:53Honestly, I've had enough human men.
26:55If I could be in relationship with a spirit, I would take it.
26:57To the seance.
27:13Everyone looks so spooky.
27:15This is really...
27:15I wish I could dress like this every day.
27:17It's such a vibe.
27:18You have to get out of bed to do that.
27:19Just liberate...
27:20All right, Jess.
27:22Oh, wow.
27:23We're all ready.
27:24Damn.
27:25Leanne is going to come and help us.
27:28How excite.
27:30Oh, my gosh.
27:32This is our first seance, too, so we have no idea what's going to happen.
27:35All right, I'm going to set by intentions.
27:38We are ready for the seance.
27:41I have no idea what's about to happen.
27:44Like, I've only seen this in movies.
27:45Like, I want to hear something from my mom, and I'm so nervous.
27:50So I'm trying to just keep an open mind and receive.
27:57Oh, hi.
28:00Oh, hi.
28:00Oh, my goodness.
28:02Hi.
28:02This is Leanne Marama.
28:03She's a psychic medium.
28:04Hi.
28:05Hello.
28:05Nice to meet you.
28:06Nice to meet you.
28:07We have no idea how to do a seance.
28:09And so I asked Leanne, who is an amazing psychic medium, to come guide us through.
28:15I feel like we're all just thinking of a seance as being the thing that you see in the movies,
28:18where it's, like, dark and spooky, and you're holding hands, and you're like, come, we summon
28:22you.
28:22And, like, someone's eyes roll back and get possessed.
28:24Yeah.
28:25What we're hoping to do is to raise energy and to communicate with spirits of this place.
28:32What we're looking to do is hopefully give you the truth about life and death, that there
28:37is no death.
28:38It is kind of hard for me to keep a straight face, but mainly it's because I don't know
28:47how I feel about the whole seance thing.
28:50Again, I'm not sure how much of a believer I am, but I just want to have fun and chill.
28:55I'm not trying to take this too seriously.
28:57We continue to live on, and our spirits are continuously trying to communicate with us
29:02the whole time.
29:04So there are no demons?
29:06Well.
29:06What about daemons?
29:07Yeah, what about daemons?
29:08There may be some daemons.
29:12Y'all never going to let it go, are you?
29:14No.
29:15Before I begin, does anyone have any questions?
29:19How do you feel, slash, have you ever experienced a romantic thing with a paranormal entity?
29:25Oh.
29:25I just love this.
29:26Yes!
29:27Did you just have sex?
29:29What?
29:30They talk about this.
29:31I got this from Sabrina and Corinne.
29:33They talk about it on their podcast.
29:35Do you not?
29:35Because I'm obsessed with ghost people.
29:37They talk about ghost sex.
29:38All right, I am friends with people who have had spirit.
29:43Sex?
29:44Intimacy, but.
29:45Because I would take that, honestly.
29:46I've had enough human men.
29:47And if I could just have, be in relationship with a spirit, I would take it.
29:52No.
29:52Yeah.
29:53See, now, Sabrina is my kind of witch.
29:55Just skip the small talk, straight to ghost sex.
29:58So we're going to start with one thing.
30:00When we're tuning into the energy of the house, let's close our eyes for a moment.
30:05As we summon the energy and the spirits of this home to us.
30:11I don't really know about this.
30:13I mean, on the one hand, I am nervous that my dad is going to come through.
30:20You can open your eyes.
30:21But on the other hand, I think I would be really disappointed if he didn't come through.
30:25I have a question.
30:29So my mom's been sick for the last probably year.
30:32We've just had some issues.
30:33But I had bought her a new rosary.
30:37So the rosary, I put it on the lampshade that hangs down.
30:43It didn't matter which way I put it.
30:45The cross always faces her.
30:47Did you have a grandmother?
30:49Very, very Catholic.
30:51Well, very Christian, very belief-based gave you that.
30:55I don't remember.
30:56It's my mom's mom.
30:58But I was three when she died.
30:59So I don't remember her.
31:01But my mother was very close to her.
31:03One of your messages that I can feel so deep in my heart to tell you is that your grandma, she's with you.
31:10Your grandmother's symbol.
31:12I see butterflies around you.
31:14Hmm.
31:16Okay.
31:16And purple flowers.
31:18That's where she is.
31:18Purple is my favorite color.
31:21It really is.
31:23And everybody knows that.
31:24I've already said that.
31:24It's true.
31:25Hmm.
31:26Oh, my goodness.
31:27Turning the rosary to her, I know she's saying something not just to your mother, but to you.
31:34Because you have been helping her child.
31:37And she says, thank you.
31:40And that's your message is thank you, love.
31:44There's no way Leanne could have known my favorite color is purple.
31:48I already believed in the spirits, but it made me a bigger believer.
31:56Like, it's really nice to know that my grandmother is still around.
32:00I'm going to think of her every time I see a butterfly.
32:03I have a question, because I'm just feeling an energy very strongly over here.
32:09Did somebody lose somebody younger or that died before their time?
32:13My mother died when she was 33.
32:15I was 14.
32:16I want you to know that even though you were 14, and that feels like a thousand years ago, doesn't it?
32:22It was yesterday to her.
32:24She wanted you to know you put up with a lot.
32:29And she sees you as a caretaker for the family and for people who love you.
32:34You absorb it all, and she's trying to protect your heart.
32:42Do you have a child?
32:43Two.
32:44She's going to help you wrap them up in the love that she never got to finish the line.
32:50She wasn't there, and her biggest joy was the day you became a mother.
32:54Oh, no.
32:55I think Leanne is super intuitive, and there's a lot of magic in that.
33:06My mother's been dead for over 20 years.
33:08It's been a long time since I let her be in the forefront of my brain, and I think her memory deserves that.
33:15I can't say that the things that Leanne said about my mom hasn't made me any more or less of a believer,
33:22but it's still very real to me, and I'm grateful for it.
33:27The other energy that I have to say is somebody lose a man.
33:32Like, there's a man here.
33:34Yes.
33:37I'm kind of freaking out right now.
33:39Part of me feels like she might be talking about my dad.
33:42But honestly, I feel like I'm not emotionally ready to take part in this.
33:52There's a man here.
34:08Somebody have a death in their family.
34:10He is, like, huggy, and he is trying to be serious, because this is definitely, he thinks this is weird.
34:23Jessica's father.
34:24What a lovely man.
34:26He thinks we're ridiculous.
34:28Yeah, he does.
34:28He does.
34:29He thinks this whole thing.
34:30He is crazy about you, you know that, right?
34:32I kind of didn't expect him to be here because of that.
34:34Oh, he's always, he's always going to be here driving us crazy.
34:37He's trying to connect with you.
34:39Yes, he doesn't believe in it, but he's really in your head all the time.
34:44And I don't know if you need to repair something in your house or, like, around you.
34:47And he's like, I know she's got to fix it.
34:49She's got to go get that fixed.
34:51And he's right there with you.
34:52And when your heart broke, he was right there.
34:55He's going to...
34:56This whole time I've been like, well, if you don't come through...
35:00No, he's very, very afraid.
35:02And I was afraid that he would ask, because I was like, if I ask and he's not here, I feel like I'll be disappointed.
35:07No, no, no, he's totally here.
35:09He has a strong faith.
35:10He loves the angels, and it's all real.
35:12He's really, he's like, it's beautiful.
35:15Okay?
35:16But there's no darkness.
35:18That's what he's saying.
35:19There's no darkness.
35:20You know, he wasn't afraid.
35:21He's not afraid.
35:22I know.
35:23Okay?
35:25You're very welcome.
35:26I feel so reassured, knowing that my dad came through.
35:36I'm so thankful for Leigh-Anne for sharing everything with me.
35:40I feel so much less alone, knowing that he can come to me and that he's around me all the time.
35:46I'm very thankful.
35:51Okay, so we're going to do something weird.
35:53Just now?
35:54This is the first thing that's weird?
35:55No, no, no, we're going to do something really weird.
35:56We're just not getting to the weird.
35:59Okay.
35:59All right, so we're going to work with the pendulum.
36:03Who here has ever worked with a pendulum before?
36:05Yes.
36:06I, I, I, B-Y-O-P.
36:08I brought my own pendulum.
36:09Beautiful.
36:10Beautiful.
36:11Here, pass us down.
36:13And I saw you had prayer beads.
36:15You can use those as well to communicate with spirit.
36:18Okay.
36:19Now, I'd like you to hold your pendulum.
36:22Okay.
36:22If it goes this way, it means yes.
36:26If it goes this way, it means no.
36:28Sort of like nodding or shaking your head.
36:31So let's all ask, spirit, are you here?
36:36Oh, you already have something happening.
36:38Spirit, are you here?
36:41That's, did you move that?
36:44No, I didn't.
36:44Now it's moving.
36:45Now it's going.
36:46Now, now we have a thing happening.
36:48Is my mom here?
36:54What would your mother be holding in her arms?
36:57Patting.
36:57A cat?
36:58Hmm.
37:00Mommy, do you have, do you have a cat with you?
37:06Yes.
37:07Is it Henshi?
37:10Oh.
37:11Oh.
37:12Oh.
37:15Are you happy?
37:18And he just died, and he was her favorite cat.
37:23That is, they are, like, very much so together.
37:28It's really just all I needed to hear.
37:31My mom and Henshi are together.
37:34I can just picture him purring on her lap and them being so happy together, and that's just all I need to know in life.
37:44When she died, this is going to sound weird.
37:47But it was peaceful, and it was the way she asked.
37:51And in the end, you did everything she asked, and she wanted to say thank you.
37:56Because it hurt you, and it was hard to do some of the things she wanted.
38:01My dad didn't want to take her off life support, and he felt like he would be killing her.
38:07And I found...
38:08It's the right thing.
38:08You were the strength.
38:09My dad still felt totally responsible.
38:11No guilt.
38:13She's saying no guilt.
38:16And if anyone...
38:17Anyone here looking for love?
38:19You're looking for love.
38:21Boy, is she.
38:22Like, I don't know, in my, like, heart chakra or something.
38:26Like, am I even open, or am I just dead inside?
38:30I feel like my flame is just so small.
38:35And I feel like...
38:36And I'm scared, because I'm...
38:38I just turned 40.
38:39I'm almost 41.
38:40I feel like I've literally, like, it's a waste of my life.
38:43And I know that there's, like, stuff in me, right?
38:45And I just feel like...
38:46You have so many beautiful things in you, honey.
38:49Society tells you if you're not in love by the time you're 30, you're done.
38:53You're done.
38:54I'm going to tell you, people, women are having babies at 45 now.
38:58You spent your life discovering you.
39:00Do not think you're done.
39:02That's the first thing.
39:03This is when we rely on Mom.
39:06She's going to help find you someone special that won't break your heart.
39:11Because she doesn't want to see you cry no more.
39:15When I would have problems in life, I would say, like, Mom, I need you to work on it.
39:19And she's like, I'm working on it, Whitney.
39:21I just hope that Leanne is right.
39:24I need to believe that if I want to have a baby, I can.
39:28If I want to fall in love, I can.
39:29If I want to start my life somewhere outside of Greensboro,
39:32I can.
39:34Sometimes you just need a little affirmation and a little push.
39:39You know, Corinne and I just met you in person for the first time.
39:41But, like, you give so much love.
39:43And I feel the love that comes off of you and radiates off of you.
39:46Maybe your lesson in this life right now is to learn to give to yourself
39:50before you can accept a love.
39:53Right.
39:54Also, I have no idea what I'm doing right now.
39:56But my hands just buzzed, like, so intensely.
40:00So I'm just going to touch you.
40:01Please.
40:02Maybe I just, like, gathered, like, all of the, like, energy.
40:05Where are you going to touch me?
40:08I'm so stripping over with you.
40:11This seance was definitely a success.
40:14Everyone got really powerful affirmations and messages.
40:17And I just feel surrounded by, like, love and light and sisterhood.
40:22It just gives me hope that there is so much more in store for me.
40:27Ashley, come on!
40:28I love you.
40:29Man, you have to do it too.
40:30Okay.
40:30Yeah.
40:30All right.
40:31Here we go.
40:32This is a cuddle, cuddle.
40:34A cuddle coming.
40:35I love a cuddle coming.
40:36I love cuddle coming.
40:38Next time on My Big Fat Fabulous Life.
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40:51I'm incredibly intimidated.
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