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00:00The Joe Rogan experience.
00:02You excited about the JFK Files release? We haven't even talked about that.
00:06Um, you know, I feel like, I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away.
00:14You know, like, today's the day I'm going to kick that football.
00:17And then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head.
00:21Yeah.
00:21That's how I feel.
00:22It's going to be the way it is, too.
00:24I mean, I think they'll actually kick out the door.
00:26I don't think they, this time around, I don't think they can hold any more documents.
00:29And they don't have that many left to hold, right?
00:31Well, here's, I think they just found thousands of new documents.
00:33They found 2,400 more.
00:34That is actually a good way.
00:35They found it.
00:36The FBI says, oh, look at this.
00:37You know, what they did was they did a, they did a review.
00:41They started in 2020 and they said, okay, all our closed cases, we're going to start, you
00:46know, compiling all of them in one place.
00:51Why weren't they doing that 40 years ago, 50 years ago?
00:54How do you not do that?
00:55I have a central repository anyway.
00:56So they said, but this is what we're going to do.
00:57So they did and they said, we're updating our, the way that we digitize and hold onto
01:02all our records.
01:03And during the course of that, then when Trump issued his executive order about the release
01:08of the files and also for RFK and MLK, then the Bureau says, well, we were able to, because
01:14we'd done this digitizing and this way of tracking our records, we were able to find 2,400 documents
01:19that are related that we just didn't know about.
01:22So there's those and then there's maybe 5,000 other documents left that haven't been released.
01:29Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release
01:34it either.
01:35Right.
01:35What does that mean?
01:36You know, it's a really good question.
01:40I, here's what I think.
01:41I think, and I don't, obviously I don't know what's in the, in the, in those documents.
01:46Wait a minute, you don't?
01:47You know, remember I was a, I was a toddler when, when he was shot and although I would
01:52have, that would have been the perfect cover because nobody's fucking looking for a toddler
01:57to come behind the microphone magnifying glass.
02:00Come off that grassy knoll.
02:02But what, what could, I mean, it's not like they're going to say in the documents, we did
02:06it, right?
02:07Like, so what is the, what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they
02:12wouldn't want to release them?
02:14Like, what would you document if you assassinated the president?
02:17We'd say, well, me and Mike, we're sitting over here on the grassy knoll.
02:21And then we, this is, yeah.
02:23I think, I think some of the documents, the redactions are really pedestrian.
02:28Like they've redacted in the old days, they redacted a person's name who was an investigator
02:33or a social security number of somebody who was interviewed or something like that.
02:37But there's whole pages that are redacted.
02:39Right.
02:39I mean, so there's, there's like.
02:40Those are like weird.
02:41Yeah, there's like, I think they held on to, Biden administration held on to like 2000
02:46some odd documents.
02:48Well, 2017, they were supposed to release them.
02:50Right.
02:51And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it.
02:54And that's when people got mad.
02:55Yeah.
02:55Like, hey, you said you were going to do it.
02:57And this time they are saying they're going to do it.
03:00And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this.
03:02Yeah.
03:02Which is odd.
03:03It does.
03:04Well, again.
03:06Why'd they pick her?
03:07Yeah.
03:07Why'd they pick her?
03:08Is she a JFK expert?
03:10I think she's an assassination expert.
03:12Well, it's not just assassination.
03:14She's in charge of UFOs too, right?
03:15Right.
03:16And Epstein and all the rest.
03:17All the.
03:18I think what we're going to find is, this is just me speculating, obviously.
03:22But I think what we're going to find with the released documents is, A, there's no smoking
03:27gun.
03:28B, it's not going to stop people from believing what they believe.
03:33It's not going to put anything to rest.
03:34But, and I think also there probably will be, one of the reasons I think some of these things
03:41were withheld was because it's embarrassing, perhaps, to the CIA and the FBI also in terms
03:48of their collaboration.
03:50Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar for good reasons, right?
03:53For, you know, counterintelligence reasons.
03:55He had lived over in Minsk.
03:57He'd defected to the Soviet Union.
04:00He'd lived over there for, I don't know, three years, came back.
04:06And so that alone puts him on the radar, right?
04:08Now, suddenly, he's a CIA concern.
04:11So the CIA is definitely monitoring him.
04:13And then he goes down to Mexico.
04:15He goes to the Cuban and Soviet embassies, right?
04:18He's desperate to get involved in the revolution, even though he's, you know, the Soviets by that
04:23time had decided he's a complete loser.
04:25Is that the narrative, though?
04:29I mean, do we know what they really decided?
04:31Well, I think, you know, I'm just speaking again from, you know, from experience in intelligence
04:36community.
04:37At a certain point, you look at somebody and go, there's nothing here.
04:40This person is more of a liability than an asset.
04:43Well, wouldn't that be the perfect person to make a patsy?
04:45Well, unless they decided the guy is just unstable.
04:47Look, I mean, reportedly, he was finally granted permission to exist in the Soviet Union after
04:57he tried to kill himself.
04:58When they said they were going to send him back, he couldn't stay there.
05:00How did he try to kill himself?
05:01What did he do?
05:02No idea.
05:03I don't know that part of it.
05:04But I think it's, I guess, so my point is, is that I think he was on the radar.
05:10And I think what happened was, in the documents, we may find that the CIA, you know, at the
05:15time, you know, was not proactive enough.
05:18And they didn't work well with the FBI.
05:22There was real friction between those two.
05:24And I think that, you know, if they had, if they had brought in the FBI, informed them,
05:29said, look, he's, you know, we've got the Cuban embassy and the Soviet embassy down in
05:33Mexico under observation.
05:34We've had this guy on our radar for some time.
05:36He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans.
05:39He's back in the States.
05:40You know, we've got to keep an eye on him.
05:42I think if they had done that, you know, maybe history changes.
05:45But I don't think they did, obviously.
05:47Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not buying into.
05:51Under this scenario, yes.
05:52I'm not buying that at all.
05:54But I think that's what we're going to see in some of this documentation.
05:56Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you
06:01wouldn't release it either.
06:02It has to be something.
06:03And that something might be a second shooter.
06:07Well, it's not.
06:08Or more.
06:08I agree, because Trump has never been known to say anything hyperbolic.
06:11Um, so, I mean, there's a chance that he was, you know, I don't know.
06:17Okay.
06:18He attempted suicide, a striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet
06:23Union.
06:24Showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few
06:29readily available alternatives at hand.
06:31He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms.
06:35The entry in his self-styled historic diary for October 21st, 1959 reports, I am shocked.
06:42Two exclamation points.
06:43My dreams, exclamation point.
06:45I have waited two years to be accepted.
06:47My fonds dream.
06:48I don't even know what that means.
06:49Fondest.
06:50Fondest.
06:51It's probably, they forgot the T.
06:52He can't spell this.
06:53Fuck.
06:54My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official.
06:58I decided to end it.
07:00Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist.
07:03What a pussy.
07:04Uh, the, then plague wrist, oh.
07:08Plug, then, then plunge, plunge wrist.
07:11Boy, I can't spell plunge either.
07:12Then plunge wrist.
07:13Plunge, so he spells plunge, P-L-A-U-G, I guess it's plunge, wrist into bathtub of hot
07:19water.
07:19Somewhere a violin plays as I watch my life whirl away.
07:22I think to myself, how easy to die and a sweet death to violins.
07:26Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide.
07:30He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28th, 1959.
07:35Still intent, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31st to the
07:40American embassy to renounce his U.S.
07:42citizenship.
07:42Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the second, then second secretary and senior consul officer at the
07:50embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his
07:54mission was.
07:55He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning.
07:59He said, he presented the following signed note, I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request
08:07that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked.
08:11And then they let him back in the United States.
08:13So this is why the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us say this fucking guy, he was working
08:19for the government.
08:20This is all bullshit.
08:21Yeah.
08:21They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.
08:24Oh, no, I know that's, I mean, there's obviously, like, there's a strong belief that the CIA
08:28was involved, the mob was involved.
08:30And again, hey, I haven't seen all the documents like, you know, Trump has.
08:34So I, you know, everything's on the table.
08:35I wonder if he's even seen them all.
08:37Everything's on the table.
08:38I don't know if he's seen everything either.
08:39What, has he gone through all the files?
08:40Yeah, is he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?
08:43Who knows?
08:44But I think, you know, and who else, who else said he, Cash Patel said he's seen all the
08:49files.
08:49Oh, okay.
08:50He said he's seen everything.
08:51Now, I'm not sure how, in what capacity.
08:53Right.
08:54Was he part of a review committee, perhaps?
08:56I don't know.
08:57Interesting.
08:58We'll find out, right?
08:59Yeah, we'll find out.
09:00Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was
09:06fishy.
09:06Yeah.
09:07Yeah, I really do.
09:08I believe that.
09:08And I also, it's interesting that his family doesn't want this released.
09:13They don't want the remaining documents released.
09:15And I think the reason there is because, look, they, you know, Hoover and the federal and
09:22state law enforcement had a real hard on for Martin Luther King, obviously, right?
09:26And they were covering him three ways to Sunday.
09:30So, including wiretaps, some that were signed off by RFK, right?
09:35By Robert Kennedy.
09:36So, as attorney general.
09:38So, I think, you know, the family is like, look, do you really need to release these records?
09:44Because I think they're worried about, you know, embarrassing information about their
09:46perhaps about his lifestyle.
09:47Hasn't a lot of that already been released?
09:49Yeah, it's been talked about and everything.
09:50But I think if you dump it out there, you know, whereas with RFK's, or sorry, with JFK's
09:59documents, look, they've released some 5 million pages of his, right?
10:02I mean, estimates are like, oh, we've released like 99% of the documents.
10:05Right.
10:05It's not that high a percentage with MLK.
10:09Right.
10:09So, I think there's a potential for embarrassment, but I also, same thing, I don't think in those
10:15documents, because I don't think anybody's going to, if, they're not going to self-incriminate,
10:19right?
10:19And I do think that there was, there was something going on.
10:22Look, James Earl Ray is a much more interesting case study, I think, anyway, than Lee Harvey
10:27Oswald.
10:28James Earl Ray and his behavior leading up to the shooting at the Lorraine Motel, kind of
10:37going off the radar, disappearing.
10:38The guy, you know, the guy couldn't keep himself out of jail.
10:41He was a failed petty thief, right?
10:43And he was just a fuck up.
10:45And then suddenly he disappears off the radar screen and he shows up and he, you know, looks
10:50like a college professor and he's kind of got his shit together.
10:53And, you know, then after shooting him, he ends up in Belgium.
10:57And he got money and guns.
10:58Yeah, he got money and guns.
10:59He had, suddenly he had a, he had a bag full of cash to go buy himself a Mustang, which he
11:03used to drive around the South and kind of be off the grid.
11:06The grid, I don't know.
11:08That one strikes me as, and then the, the, the, sort of the, the interplay with, with
11:13federal and state and local law enforcement to me.
11:17But again, my point is that when they released the documents, what do you think?
11:20There's going to be some note in there saying, must kill MLK.
11:23Yeah.
11:23You know, somebody talked to Hoover.
11:24That's why it's, it's fun to think like, what, what are they going to, what's the JFK
11:29documents going to say?
11:30What is the MLK?
11:31What is, what are they going to tell us about UFOs?
11:32But how much are they documenting?
11:35Like if someone is involved in killing the president, I would imagine they wouldn't write
11:39that down.
11:40Yeah.
11:40You would think.
11:41Right.
11:41I would imagine.
11:43Kyle, we're going to need you to make a statement here about shooting.
11:47So I think that there's, there's probably, I don't know why I picked the name Kyle.
11:50That seems odd.
11:51Good name for a shooter.
11:52Yeah.
11:53Yeah.
11:53It was, it wasn't a popular name.
11:54I don't think back then, but I just, so I, I think you look, release everything.
11:59If they don't release all the documents at this stage, if they say we're going to, we're
12:03going to hold on to a redact a thousand pages, what the hell are they doing?
12:07Everyone's dead.
12:08It doesn't make any sense.
12:09It doesn't make any sense.
12:10It's 1963.
12:11Just put it, put it to fucking rest.
12:13And if, if there's embarrassing things in there, then, then own it.
12:15Right.
12:15Accept it and, and, and fucking move on.
12:18But again, it's not going to change the narratives that are out there.
12:22I don't think, I don't think that's going to, it's not going to satisfy anybody.
12:25Wasn't it also a problem with so much time has passed that the waters are so muddy in
12:31terms of like trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how
12:36it went down, unless they did somehow another document everything, which seems insane that
12:43they thought that they would just tuck that away somewhere.
12:45Yeah.
12:45It just doesn't seem realistic.
12:47It doesn't.
12:47Yeah.
12:47It seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation
12:51about in a closed room and you would, you know.
12:55Yeah.
12:55If there, if there was actually a cadre of people that did that, it's not in the documents,
12:59right?
13:00It's, it's because those documents are like interviews of people on the grassy knoll, uh,
13:04interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his, you know, life.
13:08Um, my friend, Evan Hafer has a, an interesting perspective on it.
13:12You know, special forces guy.
13:14He, he thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get
13:19air support from Kennedy, that if you were going to find a group of hardened individuals
13:24that were essentially assassins for the government, those would be the guys that would have a bone
13:31to pick with JFK.
13:33Yeah.
13:34Yeah.
13:34I, I mean, I, I, again, until everything's visible and out there, I think everything's
13:38on the table.
13:39Yeah.
13:39Um, he's not wrong in the sense that they, they hated Kennedy, you know, but, but a lot
13:43of people hated Kennedy.
13:44The mob hated, you know, RFK immensely.
13:47Yeah.
13:47Oh yeah.
13:48Cause he wouldn't play ball.
13:49Well also he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and then he turned
13:53on them and then they started investigating them and they're like, Hey motherfucker.
13:56Yeah.
13:56And then, and then depending on who you talked to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or,
14:01or he did it because he was Jewish and he, and he didn't want, you know, the, the Jewish
14:05community to take the, or MKUltra version is the best version.
14:10That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, everything.
14:14Yeah.
14:14Well, I say it again, but read chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.
14:18Yeah.
14:18No, MKUltra is, that is a dark history or chapter, um, in the history of the agency.
14:24There's no doubt about it.
14:24That, and again, it's one of those cases where you can't, it's like we talked about with
14:28Alan Dullesinger.
14:28As far as I know, we've never overthrown a country.
14:30It would be like if I sat here and said, well, as far as I know, we never did anything.
14:34Of course, of course it was.
14:35We've never done any mind control experiments.
14:37Yeah.
14:37Of course they did.
14:37Yeah.
14:38It was, it was like the, the experimentation that went on and that was outsourced.
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