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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36J'ai besoin d'etat de son.
06:38Il n'y a rien à changer.
06:39Je n'ai pas souffert qui s'occuper.
06:43J'ai besoin d'υτécipation.
06:44J'ai besoin d'haver-être,
06:46J'ai besoin d'être des moments ?
06:48J'ai besoin d'un le temps ?
06:51Mais vous n'est plus qu'il y a tuer.
06:54Mais tu es toujours le same
06:56Il y a quelque chose inside de toi
07:02C'est difficile d'expliquer
07:07Ils parlent de toi, mais tu es toujours le same
07:17Oh, absolument.
07:19Je veux dire, j'ai commencé de faire tout en 4K
07:23Et je fais tout les restaurations myself
07:25Donc je fais tout de suite de moi
07:27Et vous pouvez acheter directement de moi
07:30Je vais signer votre box set
07:34Et je vais vous donner
07:36Je suis un grand fan de 4K
07:40Je l'aime 4K
07:42Je pense que 4K est magnifique
07:45Parce que beaucoup de films
07:46peuvent être re-watches
07:49Avec une meilleure qualité
07:50Et qui ne veut pas ça
07:53Donc c'est un nouveau layer
07:56Le nouveau normal pour moi
07:58Donc j'ai décidé de faire tous mes films en 4K
08:01Et je les roule lentement
08:03Je pense que le cinéma
08:08Et la télévision, pour tout le monde
08:10Est-ce que le cinéma, pour tout le monde
08:12Est-ce que le cinéma, pour tout le monde
08:1410-15 ans, gaming, social media, VR
08:18Our canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more
08:28Just content
08:30That you almost look at
08:31While you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still that window
08:35Of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:38Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies
08:41Also needs to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes
08:46For Only God Forgives
08:47And after everyone had been booing me
08:50For so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say
08:55Look, you can be angry with me
08:57And about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something
09:02That's going to predict
09:03What it's going to be like
09:05If you want to make films
09:06In the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after
09:10Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed
09:12Because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed
09:17Not so much what we're making
09:18But it's how we experienced
09:20Film and content
09:22Essentially
09:23How we viewed it
09:24And I think that to justify
09:26Or for a movie to exist
09:28In longevity
09:29You have to see
09:31What a film can become
09:33Rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build up
09:40Bang, bang
09:41And then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty
09:44Unique, interesting
09:45Never seen before
09:46And violent
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that
09:54Everything is an evolution
09:56Of something
09:57And there can be a tendency
10:00When something is liked
10:03That everyone wants the same same
10:07But I don't necessarily think
10:09That's true
10:09It's better to give them
10:11Something else
10:12Or something different
10:13Or something that
10:14Destroys your past
10:16In order to make
10:17Something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know
10:20Obviously the two films
10:22Are very different
10:23But what ties them
10:24Is myself
10:26And Ryan's
10:27Interaction
10:28However I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something
10:32And turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate
10:35Superhero
10:36In one movie
10:37And emasculating him
10:39In the next
10:39It's taking one movie
10:41That's very poppy
10:42And another movie
10:43That's very
10:44Esoteric
10:45Esoteric
10:45And that I think
10:47Is what makes
10:49The world interesting
10:50Is that things
10:51Can become
10:51Different
10:52It can evolve
10:53Into other components
10:55Rather than just
10:56Always staying
10:57In the same
10:58Repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly
11:01Run out of steam
11:02In my opinion
11:03I was
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously
11:06You know
11:07A lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing
11:11And screaming
11:12But then I was like
11:13That's kind of cool
11:15Because then you're like
11:16Sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know
11:18You're like the one
11:19Everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't
11:22Deny it existence
11:23You can't really
11:24Criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it
11:29As it continues
11:30To evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just
11:34To be
11:34Trust yourself
11:35So you never lose
11:36Your vision
11:36When you have that
11:38Strong reaction
11:38No on the contrary
11:39You're like
11:40It's like energy
11:41It's like
11:42Just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets
11:47About Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49And it is
11:49I just didn't make it
11:51Very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor
11:53In the house
11:53We need to get
11:56A medic in here
11:57Is there
11:58Is there a doctor
11:59Around
11:59When you were mentioning
12:012001
12:02It says
12:03In Cain
12:03You forgot to add drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know
12:07About drive
12:08For another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives
12:12Or die
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made
12:16In 1968
12:18I made this film
12:19About 4 years ago
12:20So it's about
12:204 years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple
12:25On the asshole
12:27Of humanity
12:28What was funny
12:29About talking to
12:30Billy Friedkin
12:30Was that it was
12:31He had a man
12:33Who had struggled
12:34A lot in Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully
12:39At a young age
12:40And then
12:42Gone into Sorceress
12:43And you know
12:45Was still traumatized
12:47By that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think
12:50That was what was
12:51So sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had
12:53Such an effect
12:54On him
12:54It's a little bit
12:55Like Michael Cimino
12:56Doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorceress
13:01And Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably
13:03Their best films
13:04For some reason
13:05Get so destroyed
13:07And then
13:08They lose
13:09Sight of themselves
13:10Or they lose
13:11Their confidence
13:12And it affects
13:12All the other movies
13:14They make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon
13:27One with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making
13:30Obviously
13:30But I
13:31I don't know how
13:32How
13:34Much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And
13:38Go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more
13:42Visual arts
13:44You know
13:45And
13:45Trying
13:46To find other
13:48Areas of creativity
13:50But I think it's time
13:52To go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55But you work on
13:55The Famous Five
13:56Or something
13:57The Famous Five
13:58Was a television show
14:00That I
14:00I just
14:01How do you say
14:02Executive produced
14:03Or created
14:04But I had no
14:05Involvement in it
14:06Otherwise
14:07I just created
14:08The kind of
14:08Concept and the story
14:10Based on these
14:11Very famous books
14:12The Famous Five
14:13Was more because
14:13My kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother
14:17Reading me the books
14:18So it was more like
14:19A past history thing
14:21That came up
14:22As an opportunity
14:23Well I mean
14:28If anything
14:28If something is interesting
14:29You know
14:30Why not look at it
14:31I've had some wonderful
14:32Meetings in Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end
14:36I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood
14:42There is a contract
14:44Some people love that
14:45And can work within that
14:47I
14:47It's maybe not
14:49So much my thing
14:50Right now
14:51But who knows
14:51Maybe next year
14:52I'll do a big
14:53You know
14:55Big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun
14:59Maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open
15:00To anything
15:01But at the same time
15:02At the end
15:03You should just
15:04Make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing
15:06Having creative control
15:08Which is
15:08Easier enough
15:10But it's where
15:11All the money
15:12That's invested
15:13Puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money
15:17Has to get
15:17Recouped
15:19And then you have to
15:19Make a certain
15:20Type of movie
15:21You don't have the
15:22Freedom to do
15:23Whatever you want
15:23Because you're
15:24You're a slave
15:25To the economics
15:26If your film
15:27Costs 200 million dollars
15:29Or 100 million dollars
15:30You need to make
15:31300, 400 million dollars
15:32To break even
15:33That already puts
15:34A strain on
15:34What kind of movie
15:35Can you make
15:36And I don't want
15:37Any conditions
15:39On me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be
15:42Completely free
15:43I mean
15:48In the beginning
15:49A lot of people
15:49Were talking about
15:50Another drive
15:51But it was like
15:52That would be
15:53The worst idea
15:54I've ever heard of
15:55So never
15:56Never
15:57I've been very lucky
16:07To live
16:07A fun life
16:09And
16:10It has nothing
16:12To do with fame
16:13You realize
16:15Very quickly
16:16It has
16:17That I've had
16:18Opportunities
16:19And I've been able
16:20To work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And
16:25It's all been
16:26A lot of fun
16:27But I think
16:28When I started
16:29The idea of being seen
16:32Was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being
16:36It's like an opportunity
16:38It's like a stage
16:39One thing is
16:40Becoming famous
16:41The next
16:42What are you going to do
16:42With it
16:43And obviously
16:44It's like anything
16:45It's an opportunity
16:46I don't feel loved
16:51You've got to work
16:51The whole time
16:52álse
16:52I also
16:53At work
16:54I discuss
16:54Itanzo
16:55Je m'envoie aussi.
16:58Nous devons être ici à Bangkok pendant 6 mois.
17:01Il faut faire ses prochaines films, et j'ai dit à la filmeprocess.
17:06C'est une nouvelle fois que nous sommes avec lui, quand il filme.
17:10Lui, quand il a fait Drive, je suis venu à Danemark avec les enfants.
17:14Et c'est passé 10 mois.
17:16Et c'était vraiment difficile d'être par les autres.
17:21Ma vie quotidienne est une routine.
17:23Je m'envoie, je fais deux heures de sport chaque jour.
17:28Je m'envoie souvent à manger.
17:30Je m'envoie à mes enfants.
17:33Je travaille à la nuit.
17:35Et je n'essaie pas d'être à la maison trop tard.
17:39Et puis, fréquence arrive et c'est le week-end.
17:43Vous essayez de relaxer un peu plus.
17:46Et le prochain jour, c'est le mois d'août.
17:48Tu vois des films ?
17:50J'ai vu des films quand j'étais plus jeune.
17:52Mais maintenant, c'est plus dur et plus.
17:54Il y a des autres choses que je trouve intéressantes.
17:57Comme quoi ?
17:59J'ai fait ma première exposition qui s'ouvre à Tokyo.
18:03Ça a été beaucoup de plaisir.
18:05Une collaboration avec Hideo Kojima ?
18:07Oui.
18:08J'ai créé une exposition qui s'ouvre à la fin d'août d'août d'août d'août d'août d'août.
18:18C'est une relation entre nous.
18:20J'ai vu ma femme et ma fille dans la procession.
18:24Hey ! C'est moi !
18:26J'ai vu desous films ?
18:27J'ai voulu, j'ai voulu.
18:31Je vais pas !
18:32J'ai vu de là ?
18:34J'ai voulu !
18:36J'ai voulu, j'ai voulu !
18:38J'ai voulu.
18:39J'ai voulu !
18:40J'ai voulu !
18:41Non !
18:43Don't go !
18:45Please !
18:46Don't go !
18:48Et vous êtes dans Death Stranding aussi ?
18:51Je suis Heart Man, et Heart Man est toujours dans Death Stranding.
19:00Je pense que je ne crois pas tout ce que tu lis sur le Internet.
19:04Tu peux te dire quelque chose ?
19:06Je crois tout ce que tu lis sur le Internet.
19:11C'est parti !
19:17Je vais commencer à voir un beau film.
19:41C'est parti !
19:43C'est parti !
19:45C'est parti !
19:47C'est parti !
19:48C'est parti !
19:49C'est parti !
19:51C'est parti !
19:53C'est parti !
19:55C'est parti !
19:57C'est parti !
19:59C'est parti !
20:01C'est parti !