Who Is RMF In 'Kinds Of Kindness?' Willem Dafoe and Jesse Plemons Try To Explain, But It Only Makes Us More Confused

Interview with Willem Dafoe and Jesse Plemons

Transcript

00:00the through line of rmf appearing in all three stories like thematically i picked up on some

00:05connections between the three but i was wondering if you guys could speak to his character and like

00:10the greater meaning of him and why he's the one who shows up throughout the three i'm gonna let

00:15jesse oh how kind um it's tough to say because reading the script then shooting

00:26so much of it kind of depends on where you are when you encounter the script or watch it and so my

00:36opinion evolved and changed throughout shooting it um i don't know it was really funny someone i watched

00:46the someone that was at the screening in can said oh poor rmf i was like why are you kidding because

00:55of his shirt at the end because he spilled ketchup or mustard on his shirt uh the through line i i

01:01don't i i i i couldn't i don't can yorgos articulate that i don't know he wouldn't he wouldn't yeah

01:10i think it's it's kind of a game and it's like the film itself people are going to bring their

01:14experience to it and they're going to it's rich enough material that uh yeah people put it together

01:22the way the way they need to put it together but i think it's it's it's clear that it's not clear

01:30and it's a little bit of a game so if you're game for the game leap in and have a swing at it

01:38one thing this isn't fully an answer but one thing that i felt watching the movie for the first time

01:45that i hadn't thought about until i saw it was you know with the three films we're all playing different

01:50characters there was some sort of um reincarnation feeling that i got watching it um which it never

02:00occurred to me while i was shooting it and so maybe rmf is this constant sort of immortal uh figure that

02:08that i don't know or or a threat of nature you know that uh almost uh like a not a god figure but

02:17right something that uh goes through everything yeah