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La trilogie Pusher de Nicolas Winding Refn, dans une version restaurée 4K, le 9 juillet au cinéma

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04:56Vous avez des fantômes, et j'aime l'extrême,
04:59donc j'ai pensé que je vais partir de l'autre à l'autre.
05:02Et je pense que j'ai travaillé dans le fantôme,
05:04ça a été beaucoup de fun.
05:06Donc j'ai décidé de faire Pusher 4 quelques années,
05:11mais comme un show de TV,
05:12et ça s'est devenu Copenhagen Cowboy,
05:14qui est vraiment Pusher 4.
05:16Il a des mêmes personnages et des mêmes mondes,
05:20mais je n'étais pas plus intéressé
05:24dans la manière dont j'ai eu l'habitude,
05:26parce que social media dominait cette narrative maintenant.
05:30Tout est accessible, et la plupart du tout est réel,
05:35ou à l'aise peut être très réel,
05:37capturé de moment à moment,
05:39et c'est très efficace, et je ne peux pas faire ça.
05:43Mais ce que je peux faire, c'est que je peux manipuler
05:46ça dans mon propre version.
05:48C'est fantôme, et c'est que je me suis plus intéressé.
05:51J'ai perdu la peur de vivre dans le vrai monde,
05:56et d'être plus excitée par stepping dans le théâtre,
06:02le space de l'unreality, comme un stage.
06:05Et donc, c'est comme l'évolution.
06:09Qu'est-ce que tu veux faire ?
06:12Je pense que si les directeurs veulent retourner
06:15et changer leurs films, je suis sûr qu'il y a une raison.
06:18Je n'ai pas besoin de faire.
06:20Je n'ai jamais eu la liberté de faire
06:23pour faire le film que je voulais faire.
06:25Donc, il n'y a rien à changer.
06:27J'ai quand même regardé.
06:29Donc, une fois que j'ai fait quelque chose,
06:31j'ai été ostracisé dans mon corps.
06:33Il n'est plus en moi.
06:36Je dois faire vouloir dans quelque chose.
06:38Il n'est plus qu'à une fois,
06:39il n'y a rien à faire.
06:41Il n'est plus qu'à une fois.
06:44C'est-à-dire qu'une autre chose.
06:46C'est-à-dire qu'un autre chose.
06:49Il n'est plus qu'à une fois.
06:50Un autre chose.
06:52C'est plus qu'à une fois par rapport,
06:54celle-ci en plus qu'à une fois.
06:55C'est-à-dire qu'une autre chose.
07:27You can buy them directly from me at bynwr.com
07:32I'll sign your box set and send it off to you
07:36I'm a huge fan of 4K
07:40I love 4K
07:42I think 4K is amazing
07:45Because so many films can be re-watched with even better quality
07:50And who doesn't want that?
07:53You know, so it's kind of like a new layer of the new normal for me
07:58So I decided to do all my films in 4K
08:01Slowly rolling them out, you know
08:03I think cinema and television for that matter
08:10Has had a very tough time in the last 10 years or so
08:1410, 15 years
08:15Gaming, social media, VR, canvases are exploding
08:20And they're constantly evolving
08:22Because technology is allowing them to evolve
08:24Movies and television
08:26TV is becoming more and more just content
08:30That you almost look at while you're doing other things
08:33And movies are still that window of exclusivity
08:37Of the collective experience
08:39But I think that movies also need to re-evaluate themselves
08:44I remember when we were in Cannes for Only God Forgives
08:47And I, after everyone had been booing me for so long
08:51That during my stay
08:53I did say, look, you can be angry with me and about my film
08:58But I am from the future
09:01And I'm going to make something that's going to predict
09:03What it's going to be like
09:05If you want to make films in the future
09:07And I was right
09:09Because right after Only God Forgives
09:11The industry changed because of Netflix
09:13Netflix was the game changer
09:15And it changed not so much what we were making
09:18But it's how we experienced film and content, essentially
09:23How we viewed it
09:24And I think that to justify or for a movie to exist in longevity
09:29You have to see what a film can become
09:33Rather than what it used to be
09:34Violence is like sex
09:38It's all about the build-up
09:40Bang, bang, and then it's to the other wall
09:43Now make it dirty, unique, interesting
09:45Never seen before in violence
09:46I'm not that strategic
09:52But I will say that
09:54Everything is an evolution of something
09:57And there can be a tendency
10:00When something is liked
10:03That everyone wants the same, same
10:07But I don't necessarily think that's true
10:09It's better to give them something else
10:12Or something different
10:13Or something that destroys your past
10:16In order to make something new
10:19To transition
10:20You know, obviously the two films are very different
10:23But what ties them is myself and Ryan's interaction
10:28However, I find that interesting
10:30It's like taking something and turning it on its head
10:34It's taking the ultimate superhero in one movie
10:37And emasculating him in the next
10:39It's taking one movie that's very poppy
10:42And another movie that's very esoteric
10:45And that, I think, is what makes the world interesting
10:50Is that things can become different
10:52It can evolve into other components
10:55Rather than just always staying in the same repeat lane
10:59Because you very quickly run out of steam, in my opinion
11:03I was very happy
11:05But obviously, you know, a lot of harsh reactions
11:09And a lot of booing and screaming
11:12But then I was like, that's kind of cruel
11:15Because then you're like the sex pistols of cinema
11:18You know, you're like the one everyone throws bottles at
11:21But you can't deny it existence
11:23You can't really criticize it
11:25Because I did it my way
11:27The world will see it as it continues to evolve
11:31And you just have to be
11:33You have to just be, trust yourself
11:35So you never lose your vision
11:36When you have that strong reaction?
11:39No, on the contrary
11:39You're like, it's like energy
11:41It's like, just wait for the next one
11:43I love that
11:44I'm like you
11:45I have no regrets about Only God Forgives
11:48I think it's a masterpiece
11:49And it is
11:49I just didn't make it very expensive
11:52Is there a doctor in the house?
11:54We need to get a medic in here
11:57Is there a doctor around?
11:59When you were mentioning 2001, you forgot to add Drive
12:04We'll let that slip
12:06We won't know about Drive for another 30 years
12:0930 seconds
12:10Whether it lives or dies
12:12I'm talking about films
12:132001 was made in 1968
12:17I made this film about four years ago
12:20Four years is a zip
12:21It's not even a blip
12:23It's not a pimple on the asshole of humanity
12:28What was funny about talking to Billy Freakin
12:30Was that it was
12:31He had a man who had struggled a lot in Hollywood
12:35And started very successfully at a young age
12:40And then had gone into Sorceress
12:43And, you know, was still traumatized by that experience
12:48After so many years
12:49And I think that was what was so sad
12:51In a way
12:52That it had such an effect on him
12:54It was a little bit like Michael Cimino doing Heaven's Gate
12:57These amazing films
12:59Both Sorceress and Heaven's Gate
13:02Are probably their best films
13:04For some reason get so destroyed
13:07And then they lose sight of themselves
13:10Or they lose their confidence
13:12And it affects all the other movies they make afterwards
13:15And I was like
13:16I'm never going to be like that
13:17Because I'm right
13:19You're wrong
13:19I mean, I've done two shows
13:26One with Amazon, one with Netflix
13:27And I like what I was making, obviously
13:30But I don't know how much I want to continue
13:36I may want to take a break
13:38And go and make movies again
13:41I've decided to do more visual arts, you know
13:45And trying to find other areas of creativity
13:50But I think it's time to go make a film again
13:53You said you work on two shows
13:55That you work on The Famous Five
13:56So The Famous Five was a television show
14:00That I just, how do you say
14:02Executive produced or created
14:04But I had no involvement in it
14:06Otherwise I just created the kind of concept
14:09And the story
14:10Based on these very famous books
14:12The Famous Five was more because
14:13My kids would read the books
14:15When they were young
14:16I remember my mother reading me the books
14:18So it was more like a past history thing
14:21That came up as an opportunity
14:23Well, I mean, if something is interesting
14:29You know, why not look at it?
14:31I've had some wonderful meetings in Hollywood
14:33Met wonderful people
14:35But in the end, I like my freedom
14:37That's all I really want
14:39Is just to be free
14:40When you work in Hollywood
14:42There is a contract
14:44Some people love that
14:45And can work within that
14:47I
14:47It's maybe not so much my thing right now
14:51But who knows
14:51Maybe next year I'll do a big
14:53You know, big superhero movie
14:56That could be fun maybe
14:59I don't know
14:59I'm pretty open to anything
15:01But at the same time
15:02At the end, you should just make what makes you happy
15:05It's one thing having creative control
15:08Which is easier enough
15:10But it's where all the money that's invested
15:13Puts a burden on you
15:15Because all that money has to get, you know, recouped
15:19And then you have to make a certain type of movie
15:21You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want
15:23Because you're a slave to the economics
15:26If your film costs $200 million or $100 million
15:30You need to make $300, $400 million to break even
15:33That already puts a strain on what kind of movie can you make
15:36And I don't want any conditions on me
15:39At all
15:41You have to be completely free
15:43I mean, in the beginning
15:49A lot of people were talking about another drive
15:51But it was like
15:52That would be the worst idea I've ever heard of
15:55So never?
15:56Never
16:03I've been very lucky to live a fun life
16:09And it has nothing to do with fame
16:13You realize very quickly
16:16It has that I've had opportunities
16:19And I've been able to work with people
16:21I've met people
16:23I've spoken with people
16:24And it's all been a lot of fun
16:27But I think when I started
16:29The idea of being seen
16:32Was very essential
16:33The idea of fame
16:34And fame being an opportunity
16:37It's like an opportunity
16:38It's like a stage
16:39One thing is becoming famous
16:41The next
16:42What are you going to do with it?
16:43And obviously
16:44It's like anything
16:45It's an opportunity
16:46I don't have any love
16:48You have to work all the time
16:52I also have to work
16:54My daily life is
17:22I have a routine
17:23I wake up
17:24I do two hour sports every day
17:27Then I usually have lunch
17:29Then I get yelled at by my kids
17:32I work at night
17:34And then try not to get to bed too late
17:39And then Friday comes
17:41And it's weekend
17:42And you try to relax a little more
17:45And the next day is Monday
17:47You watch movies?
17:48I used to watch a lot of movies
17:51When I was a lot younger
17:52But now it's just harder and harder
17:54There's other things
17:55That I find interesting
17:56Like what?
17:58Well I did my first exhibition
18:00That just opened in Tokyo
18:02And that's been a lot of fun
18:03To do that
18:04A collaboration with Hideo Kojima?
18:06Yeah
18:07Can you talk about that?
18:08Well I created an exhibition
18:11That opened on Friday last week
18:15In Tokyo
18:16Where I built this installation
18:18Between us
18:20I saw my wife and my daughter
18:22In the procession
18:23Hey!
18:25It's me!
18:26Where are you going?
18:33Wait!
18:38Don't live without me!
18:41No!
18:43Don't go!
18:45Please!
18:46Don't go!
18:48And you are in Death Stranding 2
18:50I am Heart Man
18:52And Heart Man
18:53Is forever in Death Stranding
18:55I think that
19:01Don't believe everything
19:03You read on the internet
19:04Okay
19:04Can you tease us something?
19:06Well believe everything
19:07You read on the internet
19:08Ah okay
19:08We're going to see a good film
19:38Okay
19:40Yeah
19:40You are not
19:42That's going to see a good film
19:44That's going to see a good film
19:45Well believe it
19:45OST!
19:46We can do it
19:47Why?
19:48That's really nice
19:49We can do it
19:50especially when you do it
19:51It's a good film
19:52That's really nice
19:53But you know
19:54Do-
20:06You're not