- 17/06/2025
A local waitress catapults to stardom when featured in a Playboy pictorial. She soaks up the fame and newfound attention until a surprise goes wrong, ending in tragedy, and she becomes a victim in a gruesome double murder.
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00:00Playboy is looking for a pinup girl.
00:03You think of who is going to be in Playboy?
00:05Well, Lisa.
00:07Perfect.
00:09Lisa Kale went from an unknown waitress
00:13to a Playboy sensation overnight.
00:20But posing nude for Playboy can put a target on your back.
00:24Lisa's boyfriend had a surprise waiting,
00:28but she never showed up.
00:31As soon as I walked in the room,
00:33I knew it was a double murder.
00:36How could someone look at her and do this?
00:40Something's not adding up here at all.
00:44What a hot mess.
00:58In 1985, I was a police officer assigned to the Homicide Division
01:07of the Dallas Police Department.
01:11I had to be at work at 7 a.m., so I was in bed.
01:15But we had a pager, and, you know, when that pager went off,
01:21you knew that your sleep was over for the night
01:24because you were going on an adventure.
01:29It was a little after midnight when we got called to the scene
01:33to investigate a murder.
01:36Two murder victims in a home in that upscale, affluent neighborhood.
01:42Yeah, that was, that was, that's very out of place.
01:46In my career, I was the lead detective on 196 murders.
01:51I found them in every kind of condition.
01:54As soon as we looked around the house,
01:56we find two people, a man and a woman,
02:00both bloodied and beat and obviously deceased.
02:10There's blood everywhere.
02:12There wasn't the, as I call, the odor of death on the scene.
02:17So we knew that it had just happened.
02:21But we did determine that the female that was found in that house
02:26was Playboy model, Lisa Kale.
02:32Lisa had just appeared in the Playboy issue
02:36that featured Texas girls.
02:42Playboy was always looking for the type of girl from a small town
02:47who could just jump off of the page.
02:51They wanted somebody who was beautiful, fresh faced,
02:54that would make the reader feel like they could possibly meet this girl.
02:59So Playboy would scout places like universities, upscaled bars,
03:04things like that to find women that might not hear about it otherwise.
03:08So the whole process for the girls of Texas started in the early part of 1984.
03:17Playboy went looking for new talent.
03:21Someone like Lisa Kale.
03:27Lisa was beautiful.
03:29Lisa and I were very close.
03:32We were a big family.
03:35Five children.
03:36Lisa was the oldest.
03:38I was number two.
03:40With my dad being in the Air Force, we moved a lot.
03:45I remember I was going into the eighth grade.
03:48She was going into the ninth grade.
03:51And one of these girls said,
03:54here comes your sister, the bitch.
03:58And she said, nobody talks to my sister that way.
04:04That was so cool.
04:07She was a badass.
04:08After high school, our parents got orders to go to Germany.
04:17Lisa and I didn't want to go.
04:20That's when I moved out to Dallas.
04:23I just wanted Lisa to come with me.
04:26And she did.
04:27She arrived early 83.
04:35This was the first time that we were both in a city city.
04:40We were in the nightlife.
04:43The vibe in Dallas in the 80s was very sexually charged.
04:49It was always crazy with people being out until the sun came up.
04:55Pretty much everybody in the country was excited about it.
04:59Texas girls.
05:01The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders were just starting out.
05:04And I think that was part of the kind of hype that was going on.
05:11And of course, Dallas was one of the most popular shows.
05:15Dallas was a huge show in the 80s.
05:18The sets were like so over the top, like fantasy upscale.
05:22The hair was big.
05:23There was a lot of makeup.
05:25So it was very much high glamour in the 80s.
05:33Confetti was the nightclub.
05:35There would be a queue around the building every night to get in.
05:39So Lisa gets a job as a waitress there.
05:42I was a co-worker and a really good friend of Lisa.
05:47And we did a lot of fun things together.
05:50Had some crazy nights at that nightclub.
05:53It was just a really, really fun place to be.
05:55Girls in the skimpy outfits.
05:58You would go on the stage and you would perform.
06:00So you've got to be kind of an outgoing person.
06:01And she just exuded something special.
06:05And the guys loved her.
06:06Around spring of 1984, Lisa's been here a year.
06:17She's working at Confetti's.
06:19And there's an ad that says,
06:22Playboy magazine is coming to Texas and is looking for some models.
06:26Playboy is looking for a pinup girl.
06:30So around that time, Playboy increased their cross-country searches to open up opportunities for women from smaller cities to go be met in person and submit themselves.
06:41But also it was great publicity for the brand.
06:44Playboy is huge.
06:47It is a dream for so many women.
06:50If you will, come right over here.
06:51I'm going to show you how to pose.
06:53We tilt the head.
06:54I was with Playboy as a photographer from the late 70s up through 2003 or 2004.
07:02So around 23, 24 years.
07:04I want you to drop your chin down just a touch right there.
07:06Howl it.
07:08I never met David personally, but I've seen his name everywhere.
07:11He was a regular at Playboy.
07:13He shot so many things.
07:16When I came on board, another photographer had been going out to the various big college conferences.
07:22He was doing these college girl pictorials and it became very popular.
07:28So that's where they started thinking in terms of using either identities or jobs as a premise for the pictorials themselves.
07:38And I was sent to several cities and we'd set up camp in a really nice hotel and then I would see girls and it was just an amazing way to meet these potential models that ended up being either pictorial girls or a playmate.
07:54My very first experience trying out for Playboy was when I was in college in Portland, Oregon.
08:04Playboy was searching for a special playmate for the year 2000 issue.
08:09I called ahead and found out, you know, I needed to bring a bikini and go down there.
08:13So that's what I did.
08:16And I didn't get into the magazine that way.
08:20I didn't appear into the magazine until I had already been living at the Playboy Mansion for several years and we started doing a reality show.
08:29But back in the 80s, people either had to mail their photos in or they had to show up for a casting.
08:35They sent me out to do the girls of Texas in the early part of 1984.
08:42If you think of who is going to be in Playboy, someone sophisticated, classy, grace.
08:53Well, Lisa, perfect. This is perfect.
09:00There's an advertisement for a big casting at the Doubletree Hotel.
09:11And I thought, I'm going to the Doubletree Hotel to pick up pamphlets and flyers for Lisa.
09:18And I was going to take them to her and go, you've got to do this.
09:21My loan processor is very important to me to always look professional.
09:26So I walk in. The other women in there were not dressed like me at all.
09:32I'm in this dress buttoned up to here.
09:37This lady comes to me and she says, can you come back here, please?
09:41And then we go into one of the suites.
09:44She looks me up and down.
09:47And then comes back with two swimsuits.
09:50And asked me to put one on.
09:52When Crystal came in to get the information for her sister, Lisa, I thought she was very attractive.
10:00And I immediately knew that I could photograph her.
10:04The photographer that was in there, he goes, I just want to take a couple of Polaroids.
10:08Have you?
10:10Never done anything like that before.
10:13But Playboy, their reputation was great.
10:17And so I did it.
10:21Crystal kept talking about her sister.
10:24And I go, look, I'm sure your sister is wonderful.
10:26I can't wait to meet her.
10:28And I said, come back with your sister and I can do an interview with both of you.
10:31I thought it would be really cool to have sisters in the pictorial.
10:36I needed to get to Lisa fast because she'd be working tomorrow.
10:41She needs to get the night off.
10:44I go to see her and go, Lisa, I got to tell you about this.
10:48And she was definitely interested.
10:51When Lisa walked into the room, she had a great look.
10:58Dark hair, smoky eyes, very sexy.
11:03And I'm just like, okay, this girl is hot.
11:11And so I called both Lisa and Crystal.
11:16It was rare for sisters to pose for Playboy.
11:20It was definitely appealing to Playboy to publish anything kind of unexpected.
11:27They have us both come in together just to share the plan to prepare for our shoots.
11:35We had no idea what was about to happen.
11:45Crystal and Lisa were exactly the type of women that Playboy liked.
11:53They were fresh-faced.
11:55They had the girl-next-door look.
11:57They had voluptuous figures.
11:59They were really the whole package.
12:04Because they each had such a strong look, I didn't want to lessen the strength of their photograph by putting them together as a sister act.
12:12So I photographed them separately.
12:15They want to send me to the mountains.
12:18When we did the shot of Crystal, she's up in the rocks.
12:23And she's got on kind of this army green outfit kind of thing.
12:27You've got the vista in the background and all this kind of stuff.
12:30It's really cool.
12:32The difference in their looks made it a little more intriguing, as well as the fact that they're both attractive in different ways.
12:43For Lisa, they knew exactly where they wanted her.
12:47South Fork Ranch, where Dallas was filmed.
12:51The show Dallas was so huge in the 80s.
12:55So Lisa's photos were actually shot at the ranch where they filmed Dallas.
12:59So they were very much with the Texas theme.
13:05When I got to the location and I saw this old style bathtub.
13:11And Lisa had this insanely nice body.
13:14Gorgeous boobs, gorgeous legs, everything.
13:17And so I told her, I said, you know what, I think I just want to photograph you nude in the tub.
13:22She's like, yeah.
13:23She was like all for it.
13:24So off she goes into the tub.
13:29And I just went, oh my gosh, this thing looks great.
13:34I thought, wow, this girl's got playmate potential.
13:37I mean, she was born to be there.
13:39This end of June, maybe early July of 1984.
13:52And the magazine comes out early January 1985.
13:56Lisa was probably already picturing in her head.
14:01This was a huge opportunity to her.
14:04Huge.
14:06She was going to be someone.
14:09This is an exciting time.
14:11The magazine had not come out yet.
14:14But after the Playboy shoot, Lisa could not contain her excitement.
14:17And she was telling everyone, you know what, I'm going to be in Playboy.
14:22When she told us about that, I'm not the only one that thought Lisa will be a hit in Playboy.
14:28In a way, she was a little bit like a brunette Dorothy Stratton.
14:33One of those ladies that had this kind of spark that everybody saw and just went, wow.
14:39Lisa has a lot of admirers, but she didn't have any boyfriends.
14:46And then she met this guy, Joey D'Amato.
14:51Joey was actually a bartender at Confetti.
14:56Everybody got along with Joey.
14:58Joey got along with everyone else.
15:00He was a nice looking guy, pretty normal.
15:04And I think that was part of probably Lisa's appeal with him.
15:07He was just this guy who thought she was beautiful, but was kind and caring and not after something.
15:18Joey was as close as Lisa could come to being in a relationship.
15:24However, she's going to be in Playboy.
15:27She's not going to commit to anything completely.
15:32Lisa's photo could have definitely led to more opportunities for her within Playboy.
15:35Especially if she had the standout photo of that pictorial.
15:41Lisa has a fire in her now.
15:44She wants to go as far as she can in this new found career.
15:47And now she can actually do something about it.
15:49So Joey's spending all this time at Confetti's.
15:59He is with Lisa, but that's also when he strikes up a friendship with Kobe Sandowski.
16:09Kobe is known around town.
16:10He is the local go-to for your party favors.
16:17Cocaine.
16:19This is the mid-80s.
16:21And there was a lot of cocaine.
16:24There was a lot of cocaine at the time.
16:27But it wasn't one of these scenes where people were just blatantly doing drugs, you know, on the bar or whatever.
16:32It was more of kind of a behind the scenes kind of thing.
16:37Lisa and Joey, they like to have fun.
16:40They like to party.
16:42So it doesn't faze Lisa that he's hanging out with Kobe.
16:46He was good to her.
16:48They were seeing each other pretty regularly.
16:51And then the magazine comes out.
16:55January 8th, 1985.
16:58The Playboy magazine spread hits the newsstand.
17:04And usually it is the cover girl that gets all the attention.
17:09But this time it was Lisa.
17:12And everyone is talking about the girl in the red tub.
17:17Lisa's photo is really sexy.
17:18She's in this bright red bathtub, in a bubble bath.
17:23She's very fit.
17:24She's got the tan lines.
17:26Perfect 80s makeup.
17:28Lisa definitely had the qualities Playboy was looking for.
17:33Playboy reported that they nearly doubled their sales that month.
17:40Lisa Kale went from an unknown waitress to a Playboy model sensation.
17:48Overnight.
17:50It does make them a celebrity of sorts.
17:54She is the girl in the red tub.
17:56What a title.
17:58And I'm sure she probably relished it too.
18:01I mean, knowing her, she probably loved that.
18:05I'm in the magazine.
18:07But I'm moving away from the attention.
18:11Everything going on.
18:13But Lisa's liking this attention.
18:16She's doing well in it.
18:18She's seeing Joey.
18:20She's truly living her best life.
18:23There's so many different ways a boyfriend or husband could react to their significant other posing for Playboy.
18:29Some people love it and they're super excited about it.
18:35For Joey, he's feeling a lot of pressure.
18:40I am sure Joey feels like he needs to make a grand gesture in order to stay the boyfriend of his beautiful girlfriend.
18:52Lisa's birthday is in February.
18:58It's like, that's my girl.
19:00I want to take care of her.
19:01We're going to have a party.
19:03Joey wants to go all out, surprise her, and make it a big night to remember.
19:08Her birthday was Tuesday, February 26th.
19:14Her big party was Wednesday night, February 27th.
19:18And I couldn't go.
19:20But it was very important to him to give this to her.
19:25While Lisa's getting a bunch of attention for her photo shoot in Playboy, Crystal actually got married.
19:32She's laying low while Lisa's living it up.
19:35Friends are waiting for Lisa to arrive and they're waiting and waiting and she's still not there.
19:46People were concerned because she was pretty punctual.
19:50People thought maybe they got in an accident or that maybe they had to stop and run an errand.
19:55Maybe go pick up some more booze.
19:57The wait was pretty tense and pretty serious.
20:01And they never showed up.
20:02It's late at night and John Hudgens goes to his friend Jeffrey Licker's house.
20:21He's knocking on the door. He's getting no answer.
20:23He decides to let himself in.
20:27He looks around the house when he comes across a gruesome discovery.
20:32He found two bodies in an upstairs bedroom.
20:37So he went downstairs and called 911.
20:42At 1.45 a.m. investigators arrive at the house on Blackbird Lane.
20:52John Hudgens directs them upstairs.
20:56As soon as I walked in the room and saw what I saw, I knew it wasn't like a murder-suicide.
21:07I knew it was a double murder.
21:10The two victims had blunt force trauma to their heads.
21:22Their heads are covered with plastic bags.
21:26There's blood everywhere. This is a violent scene.
21:29One of the first questions that investigators always have is, who are these people?
21:37And what were they doing here?
21:39The 911 caller says that he's friends with the homeowner, Jeffrey Licker.
21:44And he determined by looking at the body that it was absolutely not Jeffrey Licker.
21:49He didn't know who those people were.
21:53And he had been in that house a lot of times and knew who's supposed to be there.
21:58And it's not them.
22:01Police investigators did find identification on the male victim.
22:05We were able to identify him as Kobe Sandosky through his driver's license.
22:12We had an Israeli identification card.
22:15But beyond that, there wasn't a lot of information about him.
22:21Most ladies, when they go out, they carry a purse with them.
22:25Police find a wallet, and that wallet belongs to Lisa Kale.
22:38It was Thursday night, and the phone rings.
22:41My husband answers it, and it was a police officer.
22:48And I knew before he even told me, I could feel it, I could see it.
22:53While he's talking, I started hearing this loud sound.
22:59It sounded like somebody screaming, like a child.
23:03And then I realized it was me.
23:07And I was just looking at him saying,
23:11no, no, it couldn't be.
23:16Lisa couldn't be gone.
23:18There's no way she could be gone.
23:20Who could have done this?
23:23You never know how hard a task will be until you start trying.
23:31At the scene, we understand that the homeowner is Jeff Licker.
23:38Since one of the victims is not the homeowner, where is he at?
23:43Mr. Licker was an attorney.
23:47He was a prominent tax attorney in Dallas back at the time.
23:50Jeffrey Licker is 29 years old,
23:55and he is known to let his friends kind of come and go from his house as needed.
24:02They know how to get in and out, and he frequently has guests.
24:10Police found a lot of cocaine.
24:13So they knew this was a place that people go to have fun, do coke, hang out.
24:19It was a party house.
24:21At that point, any kind of narrative could be possible.
24:25You know, is he on the run?
24:26Is he unaware?
24:28Is he a murder victim himself?
24:29There's just so much they don't know about Licker at this point.
24:33But with no definite way of getting hold of him,
24:35police shift their focus to any additional information that they can find there at the scene.
24:43There was a car out front of the house.
24:46Registered to Kobe Sandosky.
24:51And they also found a phone in the car.
24:55In the 80s, we didn't have cell phones, and a select few had car phones.
25:03Usually, those were wealthier people or drug dealers.
25:11So officers decide, well, let's call this last call number.
25:15And so they dial the phone.
25:17And Lisa's boyfriend, Joey D'Amato, answers it.
25:20So please ask him, who called you from this number and when?
25:26And Joey tells them, my girlfriend, Lisa, called me around 9.30 PM.
25:31Joey has been waiting up all night, just wondering what the heck has happened to Lisa.
25:43When Lisa just didn't show up for the birthday party, there was time for probably a million things to go through Joey's head.
25:51Part of him was thinking that something bad had happened to her.
25:57We tell him that we found a couple of people that have been killed, and we're doing an investigation.
26:04He confirmed to us that when he talked to Lisa, she said she was waiting on Kobe.
26:14Joey said that he was waiting on her to get to this surprise party, but she never showed up.
26:18And that Kobe was given for a ride.
26:22So police are asking Joey, what is her relationship to Kobe?
26:27Joey explains that Kobe hangs out at Confetti's where Lisa worked.
26:31And apparently, he was a low-level drug dealer in the Dallas area.
26:38Lisa was a cocktail waitress, and she had just appeared in Playboy.
26:44Posing nude for Playboy can put a target on your back, and that can get very dangerous.
26:58I first heard about Lisa's story when someone reached out to me in my social media comments.
27:05I was fascinated by it.
27:08She was young, beautiful, her life was about to get so exciting.
27:12And the magazine came out.
27:16It never crossed my mind that our safety could be at risk with this being in public like we now were.
27:26It never even occurred to me.
27:29I was devastated.
27:31I never thought of it as someone targeting her.
27:34I thought, oh my God, how could this happen?
27:36When something like that happens, your mind goes everywhere.
27:42And Joey was the closest person I knew that she was with.
27:48The police invite Joey to come down to the station and talk about the situation there.
27:54They describe him as being very cooperative.
27:58He's answering all their questions.
28:00Apparently he was pretty heart broke over the death of his girlfriend.
28:05So he was very cooperative with law enforcement at that point.
28:08Joey was her number one.
28:18But I had never heard the name Kobe.
28:23And Joey has sent him to go pick up Lisa for her party.
28:28Where'd that come from?
28:32Why didn't Joey go get her and then walk in with her?
28:37Isn't that usually how a surprise party works?
28:41Kobe was like a shadow person because I saw him on a few rare occasions.
28:47I never spoke a word to him.
28:49And it was very, very shocking that Kobe was with her that night.
28:52The police station, Joey said, well, I was throwing a surprise party for her.
29:00But I didn't have a ride for Lisa.
29:03So I called my friend Kobe and said, hey, could you give her a ride?
29:07Kobe said, sure, of course I can.
29:10But I do need to make a stop first.
29:12And Joey admits that Kobe is a low level drug dealer.
29:17So now police are asking Joey, why is it that you chose to have him give your girlfriend a ride somewhere?
29:25Why did you put her safety in his hands?
29:33Police are interested to know what their relationship was like at this point.
29:37And Joey admits, yes, Lisa's been getting a lot of attention lately.
29:42I mean, she's got a Playboy spread out on newsstands.
29:46And yeah, they've had some disagreements and he's been a little insecure.
29:52But Joey is Lisa's boyfriend.
29:55He was planning the party.
29:57He couldn't run around and bring Lisa there.
29:59Kobe is one of his friends.
30:01They party together.
30:02They hang out together.
30:05It just made sense to him.
30:07I'm not really suspicious of anyone until I can start putting things together.
30:15Joey was cooperative as to what he knew and what was going on and the information he had.
30:22There was a lot of talk about how odd it was that Kobe was the one who gave her the ride.
30:29I think Joey probably regretted that and probably still regrets that.
30:33As you confirm things, you realize, okay, Joey's probably, you know, being honest.
30:43But from talking to the 911 caller, we learned that the homeowner, Jeff Licker's not probably, you know, a goody two-shoes.
30:51Now the focus was definitely on Jeff Licker.
30:58Talk to him.
31:00Two people ended up dead in your house.
31:04Why are they there and you're not there?
31:06So investigators start reaching out to more people who knew Jeffrey Licker.
31:12And they find out that Kobe is an associate of Jeffrey Licker.
31:16Jeffrey Licker was very addicted to cocaine.
31:22And Kobe was his drug dealer.
31:26But police are not able to locate him yet.
31:30And then at about 1.30 p.m., a man walks into the Dallas police station.
31:41And says, hey, I have some information on your homicide from last night.
31:47And he introduces himself as 29-year-old Jeffrey Licker.
31:51He's trying to figure out what's going on with the double homicide last night.
32:00And he wants to talk to somebody.
32:03Licker proceeds to tell them that he had been out all night drinking.
32:07And that he had recently heard about the double homicide on the radio.
32:14And decided I better go to the police station and talk to them and find out what's going on.
32:19See if there's any help I can give them.
32:21I think Jeff came to the police station to distance himself from any activity and say he wasn't involved.
32:31So Jeff starts telling us some things that we know aren't right.
32:36Like he didn't know who the people were in the house.
32:39And we confront him with that.
32:41And then Jeff started to provide more information that was truthful.
32:49Licker finally admits he knows Sandoff.
32:56While they're interviewing Licker, he gives the police a full written statement.
33:02As far as I know, no one else has ever gotten a voluntary statement from a lawyer.
33:08Now granted he's a tax attorney, he's not a criminal attorney.
33:14But you would think that Attorney 101 is, you know, you don't talk to the police without representation.
33:21So that's kind of shocking.
33:23According to Jeff, Kobe had stolen a safe from him with money and drugs in it.
33:31And Jeff wanted to collect what was owed from that theft.
33:38He had Sandoffsky come over under the ruse of he was going to buy some more drugs.
33:44And when Sandoffsky got there, he had a surprise waiting.
33:51He had hired two individuals to collect the debt from Sandoffsky, from Sandoffsky previously stealing his safe.
34:00So Jeff's story was that he hired them, but he told the two men that, you know, he did not want Kobe injured in any way.
34:12According to Licker, he also sees Lisa come in.
34:16He doesn't know Lisa, but he does recognize her from the Playboy magazine.
34:20Then Jeffrey tells investigators he left his house at 10 p.m. and he went out drinking.
34:28So they want to know, what did you see? What did you do? What were you doing? And why hasn't he said anything about it?
34:35The statement itself is not everything, but it implicates him in hiring the actors that caused the death of Kobe and Lisa.
34:48Police have this man who's coming in here saying that he admittedly had two men hired, essentially hit men, even though he says, oh, they weren't supposed to harm Kobe.
35:04And he doesn't think that anything bad's happening.
35:07Something's not adding up here at all.
35:09As we were learning and finding out the facts of what happened, what a hot us.
35:28I had to call my parents.
35:30And my mom was already crying.
35:33She knew.
35:34She just knew that something had happened to one of us.
35:40And she knew instinctively it was Lisa.
35:44They had to get here.
35:47Playboy somehow had reached out to me and they wanted to give something to my parents.
35:53And I remember they got a $500 gift certificate just to take care of the food while they were here.
35:59The rest I almost don't remember.
36:00I was really messed up.
36:06In this statement, Jeffrey Licker lets police know that the two men hired are Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold.
36:15Police tracked down two freight workers, Raymond Hackman and Joel Arnold.
36:22Once Hackman and Arnold are brought in, they know they're in trouble.
36:28Raymond Hackman was not talking.
36:32But Joel Arnold gives a written statement and it's a lot different from the one police thought from Jeffrey Licker.
36:40In his statement, Joel Arnold says that they were hired by Jeffrey Licker to either collect the debt or to kill Kobe.
36:49And he says that Jeff Licker promised to give them $5,000 to do it.
36:58Licker also said that once Kobe was taken care of, there was a girl out in the car that they needed to take care of, too.
37:06They saw Jeffrey Licker leave the house and return bringing Lisa Kale upstairs.
37:15And apparently they were going to get an extra $1,500 to kill her, too.
37:20I remember when I heard the feeling was, how could someone look at her and do this?
37:36Lisa had been bludgeoned to death with a hammer.
37:47They got a trash bag and put it over her head.
37:51Yanked a lamp out of the wall and strangled her with it.
38:02And that's how, that's how she died.
38:07It sickens me knowing that happened to her.
38:17It's, it's just, anyway, I mean, she was someone special.
38:25And she had all this potential to go way beyond that.
38:29And it was taken away from us.
38:31When Lisa's story broke, Playboy just wanted to stay as far away from it as possible.
38:39The philosophy was kind of, if you don't say anything, you know, you won't add fuel to the fire.
38:47Based on the evidence, in voluntary statements from two of the three defendants,
38:53were able to put together warrants for the arrest of Jeff Licker, Joel Arnold, and Raymond Hackman for the deaths of Kobe Sandosky and Lisa Kale.
39:08This case never went to court.
39:10It all got pled out.
39:12Joel Arnold and Raymond Hackman both were sentenced to 30 years for killing Kobe and life sentences for killing Lisa.
39:20Jeffrey Licker is convicted on two counts of murder, and he's given 10 years in prison and 10 years probation.
39:28But I really don't think someone who orchestrated a crime like this should be given such a light sentence.
39:40Oh, I just thought they were going to hurt him.
39:43No, no, you didn't.
39:44No, you didn't.
39:45If you told those guys to hurt him, they would have hurt him.
39:47They would have punched him in the nose and said, you know, give me your drugs, don't come back, or whatever.
39:55We needed to make Jeffrey Licker be held responsible.
39:58So we had a civil trial.
40:00And to hit him where we could.
40:03Two years after Lisa's murder, her parents won a wrongful death lawsuit against Jeffrey Licker,
40:08and they were awarded $9.3 million from him and his homeowner's insurance.
40:17Joey was inconsolable.
40:20We had people saying, I heard what happened, and Joey would hear that and he would just fall apart.
40:25Forty years have gone by, but when we talk about this, it still just makes me so sad for what she could have been.
40:39I think in the Playboy world she probably would have risen, but I think she had more in her than that.
40:44And it was so sad because she never got to show the rest of the world what a really wonderful person she is.
40:55I love her.
40:57I love her.
40:59I miss her.
41:03I want her to come back.
41:04Even in my dreams, I want that again.
41:13Lisa's story really affected me because she was a young woman with such a bright future ahead of her.
41:18Of course I can relate to her story.
41:20She could have gone on to do anything and she had all of that stolen from her.
41:25Strictly from being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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