00:00This is an ice-breaking moment in Indo-Canadian relations.
00:04It's all good and we should be happy about it.
00:07But there is always a caveat in Canada,
00:10the Khalistani influence over the body politic of Canada is significant.
00:14You go and talk to the average Canadian, they don't even know.
00:18Right? They won't know.
00:20Now they just find the yellow flags irritating.
00:22This is a new India.
00:24It's the fourth largest economy in the world,
00:26soon to be the third largest economy in the world.
00:29It's a military power.
00:32You cannot take it lightly, especially after Operation Sindhu
00:35and what India has achieved in Operation Sindhu.
00:37You have to take the, and it is the fastest growing economy in the world.
00:41You would be monumentally stupid to spoil relations with India.
00:45Canada or India are actually the match made in heaven in terms of trade is concerned,
00:50in terms of value sharing is concerned.
00:52Well, we should start with cautious optimism
00:55because this is the Prime Minister's visit after 2015 or even before that.
01:0215, yeah, 15.
01:03So when Prime Minister Harper, that was the last time when Prime Minister Modi had come
01:07and he had met Prime Minister Harper.
01:09So we should be happy that this is happening and this is an ice breaking moment in Indo-Canadian relations.
01:15But as they say, things go south in Canada very fast and we should be cautiously optimistic.
01:21We should be very careful about our assessment of what is happening, what could happen, what could not happen.
01:26As of now, Prime Minister Carney has not given us any reasons not to be happy with him.
01:36If we look at his election campaign, that is the entire last two months or even before that,
01:42you will not see Prime Minister Carney having any Khalistani photo anywhere.
01:47I mean, if you can find one, do share it with me, but I could not.
01:51So we have to give him credit where he is due.
01:53He stayed away from those elements.
01:55So as far as India is concerned, that's a good starting point.
01:59Even when he took over as the Prime Minister from Justin Trudeau,
02:03people forget this is his second term technically, right?
02:05Not the first term. This is the second term.
02:07So even in the first term, the moment Prime Minister Carney came in,
02:11the hostility levels between India and Canada significantly reduced.
02:14Now we have reports of intelligence sharing, but I had broken it away before.
02:18I was one of the few was saying that intelligence sharing has started
02:22and it started from the Canadian side, not from the Indian side.
02:25And these things are welcome.
02:27So overall, it's all good.
02:29I would, I would say it's all good and we should be happy about it.
02:33But there is always a caveat in Canada.
02:36The Khalistani influence over the body politic of Canada is significant
02:40and they will try to put pressure on the Canadian political class.
02:45But as of now, we should be happy.
02:48Going forward regarding the relationship, we have seen a slump in the relationship
02:54because of the Khalistanis, what they were trying to do.
02:58Your take, do you think it will move further and downplay the Khalistani angle
03:04in between the relationship of India and Canada according to you?
03:09Listen, I have never understood the Canadian love for Khalistan.
03:13I have never understood.
03:14It's not like they're going to, you know, if they're going to give,
03:17are they going to give a Khalistan in Canada?
03:19Then I understand.
03:20But the Canadian love for Khalistan has never been very clear for me.
03:24I, I, you go and talk to the average Canadian.
03:27They don't even know, right?
03:29They won't know.
03:30Now they just find the yellow flags irritating.
03:32That's what you will hear them saying, ah, what are these yellow flags doing over here?
03:36They don't even understand it.
03:37They've only started getting educated since it got connected to immigration.
03:41And, you know, it was a mix of that.
03:44As of now, it's very hard to say where and what and how of Khalistan should we expect
03:52as far as the Canadian perspective is concerned.
03:54Because Canadians always say it's a free speech issue.
03:57Well, if it's a free speech issue, why were the Canadian truckers not given that freedom?
04:01Right?
04:02Just day before yesterday or yesterday, you had people with Khalistan flags
04:06walking over the Parliament Hill in Ottawa.
04:09Now that would not be allowed to the Canadian trucker.
04:13If the Canadian truckers who were protesting would have tried that,
04:16they would have been thrown in jail.
04:17Their, their bank accounts would have been frozen.
04:19So it's not a free speech issue.
04:21Let's be very clear.
04:22This is not a free speech issue.
04:23This is selective freedom.
04:25It is a mix of geopolitics because they think it's a negotiating card on the table.
04:30As far as the Americans are concerned that we can negotiate a little bit with India.
04:34What they're negotiating, we don't know, but they think it is.
04:37And also it's a bit of, you have to look at it as the West looking at India as a soft state, as a small economy.
04:46And I think a lot of Western intelligence still carries that baggage.
04:50Because a lot of these people, just look at it.
04:53If you're a 65 year old, you've had a long career of 35 years.
04:57In that career, most of the time you are not supposed to take India seriously.
05:01Now, suddenly you have to take India seriously.
05:04So for that 65 year old, old habits die hard.
05:07So these are the dinosaurs that are controlling the Canadian foreign policy here.
05:12Now, the dinosaurs have to be told that this is a new India.
05:16It's the fourth largest economy in the world.
05:19Soon to be the third largest economy in the world.
05:21It's a military power.
05:24You cannot take it lightly, especially after Operation Sindur and what India has achieved in Operation Sindur.
05:29You have to take the, and it is the fastest growing economy in the world.
05:33Now, what does Canada have?
05:35Canada has rare earth minerals.
05:37Canada has oil and natural gas.
05:40What does India want?
05:41These three things.
05:42You would be monumentally stupid to spoil relations with India.
05:47Canada or India are actually the match made in heaven in terms of trade is concerned.
05:52In terms of value sharing is concerned.
05:54We have a giant diaspora here.
05:567% of the Canadian population is of Indian origin.
05:59If you add other communities, it's even more.
06:02But of Indian origin, it's 7%.
06:05Now, why would you antagonize?
06:07And the irony is that if you go out and you poll Indians in Canada, whether Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Christian,
06:15they're all fed up of the Khaliswanis.
06:18But the Canadian political class seems to love them.
06:21So, Harper was the aberration and now Kearney has come in as a surprise.
06:27Other than that, you look at Canadian history, they've always played footsie with this lot.
06:31And for some odd reason, I think it's a bit of a mistake from our end also.
06:36I think we've been poor as far as India is concerned in its communication strategy.
06:41That is my criticism of India.
06:43I think, and Indians get very touchy-feely when you criticize them, but you have to criticize them.
06:48I think it's been abysmal communication.
06:51The way to articulate points to a Western audience, to a Western political class has been lacking.
06:57And let's see how we go.
06:59I think we've done all the right moves over here.
07:02The Prime Minister coming over here for the G7.
07:04The joint statement issued on security concerns.
07:07Remember, the security concerns were not Canadian.
07:09They were Canada and India.
07:11So, that means that, what does it mean?
07:13India has only one security concern over here.
07:15It's the Khalistan issue.
07:16So, that means Canada has promised us and assured us we'll look at it together.
07:20RCMP's head said that India is cooperating.
07:23We're very happy about it.
07:25These are all the right signs.
07:26So, we are getting to hear what should have happened.
07:31And either now we have to conclude that Justin Trudeau and Jameet Singh were a nightmare.
07:36And we just have to forget the nightmare.
07:39But I'll still point out that never underestimate the Khalistanis.
07:43They have a very significant influence because of how they rigged the Canadian primaries.
07:49How the Canadian primaries are rigged.
07:51So, even when a candidate comes up, the probabilities of that candidate of Indian origin being a Khalistani are very high.
07:57That's why the Canadian political class tends to be very wary of these lot.
08:01Because they punch way above their weight.
08:03You have to give credit where it's due even if it's your adversary.
08:07And things will change soon.
08:10The last election was a very good sign where a lot of people voted against this issue in our community.
08:15I'm talking about the diaspora, right?
08:17I'm not talking about general Caucasian white people over here.
08:21But I'm talking about the diaspora, Canadian diaspora.
08:24They were fed up and there were a lot of voting on that issue.
08:27In fact, Pierre Paliaev's Diwali snafu actually cost him a lot of votes in and around Brampton, Mississauga, Surrey and all those areas.
08:40He did lose significant votes because he rubbed the entire diaspora the wrong way.
08:45But as of now, I think we have to see what we do post that.
08:52How do I say this?
08:53It's all good right now, but it's too good to be true is my state right now.
08:57So, let's wait for a few months.
08:58Let's see how the cookie crumbles.
09:00If it stays like this, you can expect actually Indo-Canadian trade and Indo-Canadian relations taking new heights.
09:06You talked about the foreign policy change.
09:08Like, do you believe there will be a shift in Canadian foreign policy?
09:14And will this regime take action against the Khalistani concerns, which we have placed over a period of time?
09:22I think the change in Canadian foreign policy has got to do with what's happening in America and what Trump is doing to them.
09:27A lot of it has to be said, given to that point also.
09:32Secondly, Carney is not a career politician.
09:36He's not.
09:38So, he does not carry that baggage.
09:40So, right now, he's not co-opted.
09:43So, let's wait and see how much time does it take for him to be co-opted by these elements.
09:48Or maybe he will not.
09:49He will prove everyone wrong.
09:50He's a banker.
09:51He likes trade.
09:52He likes to do business.
09:53He sees India as an opportunity.
09:55He sees America threatening him.
09:57So, that is what is happening on that bit.
10:01On the latter half of you meant...
10:06Sorry, what was...
10:07The Khalistanis...
10:08Will this regime take action against the Khalistanis?
10:11Yeah.
10:12So, the joint statement was we will be sharing security concerns.
10:16So, India has, I think, around 30 extradition requests approximately.
10:20I'm not giving you the exact number.
10:22I could pinpoint 26 for sure.
10:24One of them was Hardeep's signature.
10:26Down to 25 in that list.
10:28But other than that, there were other people who were there.
10:31So, if they extradite, that's when I would say things have happened.
10:37Until now, I don't see any movement in the extradition process.
10:41The Canadians keep coming up with excuses that, oh, Indians don't give us sufficient evidence.
10:45Well, you know, I don't know about Canadian vetting standards.
10:49Because, just last year, they let a Nazi inside their parliament.
10:53And he was vetted, by the way.
10:55So, it is what it is.
10:57But, I don't...
10:59I will believe it when I see it.
11:01As of now, my answer would be no.
11:02I don't think so.
11:03The extraditions will go on.
11:05I think that should be one of the things I expect the government of India to be making part of the trade deal negotiations.
11:12Extraditions have to be a non-negotiable.
11:14You do this, then we trade with you.
11:16Last of it will, of course, be on trade.
11:18FTA, India has been doing FTAs with multiple countries as well.
11:22There were talks about FTA with Canada, which was long due.
11:25But, do you think there will be a movement in trade and business aspect as well, according to you?
11:31There should be movement.
11:33But, it should not be without India's national security concerns being dealt with.
11:38My biggest worry is that India might be like,
11:41Karni ji kitne achche hain, unohne hume bulaya hai.
11:44And, then we just start trading with them.
11:47That would be my problem.
11:49My concern is that India falls for these, you know, cushy cushy words that come out of the Canadians' mouths.
11:56And, we don't see any tangible results.
11:59Until and unless at least five or six hardened criminals of Indian origin,
12:03that we've been demanding the Canadians to send us back,
12:06are not sent back to India.
12:07We should not sign any trade deal.
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