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Rita Finch, house mistress at a care home, is accused of indecent assault on one of the boys in her charge.   Patricia Routledge, of "Keeping Up Appearances" and "Hetty Wainthrop" fame, gives a wonderful powerful yet understated performance here as defendant Rita. Jeremy Clyde, playing the Defence Counsel, is perhaps best known playing another lawyer in the comedy "Is it Legal?". Robert Glenister (Kevin Laurence) would go on to appear memorably in one of the best Doctor Who adventures, The Caves of Androzani.   George Waring, who plays Donald Miller, will also be known to Doctor Who fans for his appearance in "The Ice Warriors" as Arden. Lastly, June Jago as Adelaide Perkins, will be recognised by Carry On aficionados as Sister Hoggett in "Carry On Doctor".

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00:01:00Honoured Judge Lattimore presides in the case of the Queen against Finch, in which Rita Finch has pleaded not guilty to indecently assaulting Kevin Lawrence.

00:01:08I hope little Mandy's all right.

00:01:14I moved you in with me, did I tell you?

00:01:16Cave?

00:01:17Yeah, did you?

00:01:18Well, it wasn't half hard on me own.

00:01:20The headboard being so heavy and that, I'd give you a surprise.

00:01:24Bedroom all to yourself, lots of space.

00:01:27I mean, you didn't come home the weekend.

00:01:29Well, it does look ever so nice, though, love.

00:01:33I moved the big armchair over by the window.

00:01:37Well, I nearly killed my poor self trying to get it nice.

00:01:40Oh, Mum, you should have left it till I got home.

00:01:45Because I saw her as the kind of new blood that we could do with on the staff of St. Martin's.

00:01:53Spontaneous, maybe that was it.

00:01:55It was a spontaneity in the character of the accused which persuaded you to employ her.

00:02:00No, I appointed her.

00:02:02The local authority employed us both.

00:02:04Yes, yes.

00:02:05On what date in that year did Mrs. Finch join the staff of St. Martin's Children's Home?

00:02:10October the 31st.

00:02:11It was Halloween.

00:02:13I'd meet her my deputy.

00:02:15She was efficient and strong.

00:02:18Caring.

00:02:19Really, Mr. Miller?

00:02:20And so you gave support and assistance to your new deputy, and she continued at the home?

00:02:25Yes.

00:02:27Can you tell us what happened at the beginning of the following June?

00:02:30Yes, her husband, Mr. Finch, walked out on her.

00:02:33Did you have any discussion with her about that?

00:02:35Yes, she told me that it was because of the long hours.

00:02:38Is that all?

00:02:39That he'd accused her of preferring the children's company.

00:02:42Did she make any observation about that?

00:02:44Yes, she said in a sense that it was true.

00:02:47They needed her.

00:02:48Now, around this time, early June, when Mr. Finch left Mrs. Finch,

00:02:52did you observe anything about Mrs. Finch's relationship with any of the children?

00:02:57Yes, with Kevin Lawrence.

00:03:00They got on well.

00:03:01Anything else?

00:03:02He seemed to have taken to her at once.

00:03:06Kevin was a problem when he came to us.

00:03:08Aggressive and sulky.

00:03:09He wouldn't mix.

00:03:11No one could get through, it seemed.

00:03:13But Mrs. Finch did get through.

00:03:14As a matter of fact, I was delighted.

00:03:16It never crossed my mind then.

00:03:20What, Mr. Miller?

00:03:22That she would interfere with the boy.

00:03:25They were always around each other.

00:03:28He was only 14 then.

00:03:31But his behaviour improved.

00:03:33He became a pleasant lad.

00:03:33I was quite chuffed about it.

00:03:35Please.

00:03:36Miss Miller, you did not at this time suspect any sexual interference by the accused,

00:03:41although you were aware of a special fondness.

00:03:44Yes, most kids do try for affection early on.

00:03:48Find one of the staff they can talk to, but eventually they give up.

00:03:51They give up seeking affection, Miss Miller?

00:03:52No, no, no.

00:03:53Seeking a special kind of affection, Your Honour, from among the adults employed in looking

00:03:58after them.

00:03:59I see.

00:03:59That does appear rather bleak to me.

00:04:01However, in this case, you did tolerate this affection between these two persons.

00:04:05Yes, until another member of my staff came to see me.

00:04:08As a result of which, what, Mr. Miller?

00:04:12It led me to suspect monkey business.

00:04:15Monkey business?

00:04:16Yes, funny stuff going on.

00:04:18I see, funny stuff.

00:04:19Did you then take action?

00:04:21Well, no.

00:04:22Still trusted, Rita, you see.

00:04:24It isn't easy to change an opinion when you put your faith in someone.

00:04:29The kids really liked her.

00:04:31Finchie, they called her.

00:04:32Yes, I see, Mrs. Sins.

00:04:34But then, about a couple of weeks later, I was walking down the corridor that

00:04:38leads towards Mrs. Finch's back door.

00:04:41It was after midnight.

00:04:43I bumped into him, Kevin Lawrence, in his nightclothes.

00:04:47And what was his light's out time?

00:04:499 p.m.

00:04:50He certainly looked guilty.

00:04:53Said he was hungry.

00:04:54No, no, we cannot admit evidence of what he said.

00:04:57That's hearsay, Mr. Miller.

00:04:58Yes, indeed.

00:04:59Mr. Schirmer, you need not, of course, tell me, but is this young man to be called as a

00:05:03witness for the death?

00:05:03He is, Your Honour.

00:05:05I see.

00:05:05Then we shall no doubt hear from Mr. Lawrence himself anything that he may have said, Mr.

00:05:10Sissons.

00:05:11What did you do, Mr. Miller?

00:05:13Well, I moved the boy into another house.

00:05:15All seemed well for about three weeks.

00:05:19Then the member of staff came to see me again.

00:05:21Your Honour, I think it would be helpful for the court to hear the secret identity of this

00:05:26mysterious informant or misinformant.

00:05:29Yes, indeed.

00:05:29Mr. Miller.

00:05:30Well, I don't like the term informant.

00:05:33She was simply carrying out her duties towards myself and the children in our care.

00:05:38It was Miss Perkins, a house mother, who came to me.

00:05:40Oh, I see, Mr. Sissons.

00:05:42As a result of what was said, did you take further steps?

00:05:45Well, I had to.

00:05:46Miss Perkins and I together searched Kevin's room.

00:05:49And what did you find?

00:05:52That collection.

00:05:53Could I see that one, please?

00:05:55Exhibit 5.

00:05:58Just that one.

00:06:00What is the significance of this, Miss Perkins?

00:06:04Well, it was given to him by Mrs. Finch.

00:06:06Well, are small gifts unusual?

00:06:07Well, it's most unusual for a house parent at St. Martin's to buy clothing or toys out of

00:06:12their own purse.

00:06:14All children's clothing is purchased from certain stores by exchange of coupons.

00:06:18Oh, by coupons.

00:06:18I see you.

00:06:20And may Mr. Miller see the bundle of documents, Exhibits 15 to 21?

00:06:24What are those, Mr. Miller?

00:06:29Yes, well, they're clearly in Rita Finch's handwriting and they were found in Kevin's room.

00:06:34Yes, well, this one, for example, says,

00:06:36Had a lovely day yesterday reading a good book.

00:06:39Haven't done that for years.

00:06:40Remind me to lend it to you.

00:06:42Pray illuminate me.

00:06:44What is the suspected significance of this message?

00:06:47Well, all these notes were found hidden together in a box under the boy's bed.

00:06:51Oh, I see, Mrs. Sissons.

00:06:52Then what did you do, Mr. Miller?

00:06:54Well, then I decided I'd better have a look around Mrs. Finch's flat.

00:06:59I found a photograph of Kevin Lawrence lying face down on her dressing table.

00:07:04The boy was lying face down on the dressing table?

00:07:06No, the photograph.

00:07:08Mm, I see.

00:07:09Is that the photograph, Mr. Miller?

00:07:11Yes.

00:07:12Exhibit 14, Your Honor.

00:07:13Yes, sir.

00:07:14Well, I interviewed Mrs. Finch about it that afternoon and showed her the notes that he'd

00:07:21kept.

00:07:23Well, she cried, broke down, admitted it, that she was having an affair with Kevin Lawrence.

00:07:32Admitted it, Mr. Miller, in so many words.

00:07:35I mean, what precisely was said?

00:07:36Well, I was very upset at the time, Your Honor, and so was Mrs. Finch.

00:07:39I can't remember our exact words.

00:07:41Except that when I showed her the photograph, she said he gave it to me.

00:07:48Can't you understand?

00:07:49Yes, but, Mr. Miller, this really won't do, you know.

00:07:51I mean, what did she say which conveyed to you that she was having an affair with this

00:07:55boy?

00:07:57Well, I think I said that what was being said was that she had had sexual relations with

00:08:05Lawrence and that I wanted her to deny it.

00:08:07I see, Mr. Sissons.

00:08:09And did she...

00:08:10No.

00:08:11All she said was, you must understand that we love each other.

00:08:14And did you see her later that day?

00:08:16Yes, that evening.

00:08:17She came to me during homework hour.

00:08:19She was much more calm this time, and she said, we didn't do anything wrong.

00:08:28You've got to believe that.

00:08:29And did you believe her?

00:08:32No.

00:08:33Did you tell her, sir?

00:08:35Yes.

00:08:36And she took a long time to deny it.

00:08:40I spoke to Kevin Lawrence.

00:08:43He denied everything.

00:08:45And then I arranged for his transfer to a hostel.

00:08:47The next day, Rita Finch came and offered me her resignation, and this time I did accept

00:08:51it.

00:08:52Thank you, Mr. Miller.

00:08:56Mr. Miller, you did not, did you, at any time, see or hear anything, any touch, gesture,

00:09:04verbal exchange, any sign at all, that the warmth and affection which Mrs. Finch and Kevin

00:09:10held for each other, was ever sexual?

00:09:14No, but...

00:09:15No.

00:09:15Well, would you agree, Mr. Miller, that the friendship and support of Mrs. Finch enabled

00:09:20this boy, whom you yourself termed a problem, aggressive he wouldn't mix, to be transformed

00:09:26into an emotionally healthy and well-adjusted young person?

00:09:30Well, he might have grown up anyway, but she helped him, yes.

00:09:36Not so much so that you, as an experienced chief officer and superintendent, took steps

00:09:39to ensure they spent more time directly together.

00:09:42In August 1977, you moved Kevin from another house into Mrs. Finch's care.

00:09:46Is that not so?

00:09:48Yes, that was a mistake.

00:09:50A terrible mistake.

00:09:51Or so you say now.

00:09:53You see, I'm interested in discovering exactly when and with what persuasion this sudden and

00:09:59complete alteration of your opinion did occur.

00:10:01Now, we've heard that you have an excellent 12 years' child care experience, to your credit,

00:10:06and an enviable reputation.

00:10:07Let's take it step by step, shall we?

00:10:10Now, when you moved Kevin Lawrence into the direct care of Mrs. Finch, you trusted her totally,

00:10:15implicitly.

00:10:16I did, yes.

00:10:16And when this house parent, Miss Perkins, came to you with whatever information of her own,

00:10:22and you still allowed no doubts as to Mrs. Finch's rectitude, did you?

00:10:26I listened.

00:10:27On the 10th of April, Kevin's mother, Mrs. Nicholson, came to visit you, did she not,

00:10:31because of an anonymous poison pen letter she'd received?

00:10:34Yes.

00:10:35And what did you say to her?

00:10:36I reassured her.

00:10:38So you'd neither respect it nor believe Miss Perkins' opinion, had you?

00:10:42You had confidence in the defendant and in your own judgment, and you did nothing.

00:10:46You still thought it was nonsense.

00:10:48Well, let's move on, shall we?

00:10:50To your discovery two weeks later of Kevin Lawrence walking down the kitchen corridor after lights out.

00:10:57It was the kitchen corridor, wasn't it?

00:10:59Yes, it leads past the kitchen.

00:11:00It leads towards Mrs. Finch's back door.

00:11:02It is likely, from his position in the corridor, it is likely that Kevin was indeed feeling hungry

00:11:09and finding he couldn't sleep, he was just simply on his way to the larder for a midnight snack.

00:11:14Well, I don't know about likely.

00:11:15The kitchens are out of bounds after 6 p.m.

00:11:17Of course it's possible.

00:11:19That's where he was off to.

00:11:21Well, come now, you thought it was perfectly likely, didn't you?

00:11:23You could hardly have thought the boy was on his way to some wild, debauched orgy,

00:11:27since you said and did nothing.

00:11:29But I moved the boy into another house with a different houseparent.

00:11:34Two whole weeks later.

00:11:37I've no further questions, Your Honour.

00:11:39No, neither have I.

00:11:41Do you wish to re-examine, Mr. Sisson?

00:11:43No, Your Honour.

00:11:44I call Miss Adelaide Perkins.

00:11:50Adelaide Perkins.

00:12:06Miss Perkins, you have worked as a housemother at St. Martin's for seven years, I believe.

00:12:11I was there before Mr. Millie himself, sir.

00:12:14And were you there when the accused Rita Finch arrived in October 1976?

00:12:18That's right.

00:12:20I had my doubts, I'm bound to say.

00:12:23Not really the right type, you see.

00:12:25Miss Perkins, what exactly do you mean by that?

00:12:28Well, she was a little grand and a bit silly on top of that.

00:12:33She never realised children have all got to be treated the same,

00:12:36or it just isn't fair, is it?

00:12:38She had certain favourites.

00:12:40Yes, I see.

00:12:42Who, for example?

00:12:43Kevin Lawrence.

00:12:45She was particularly fond of him, and it just wasn't right.

00:12:48She hadn't had the right sort of experience, you see.

00:12:52Yes.

00:12:53In what ways was Kevin made a favourite of Mrs. Finch?

00:12:57Oh, in all ways.

00:12:59She used to take him shopping with her, and on her day off, too.

00:13:03We all thought this was very odd.

00:13:05Mr. Finch did, too.

00:13:07Did you buy him those objects?

00:13:08You name it, she gave it to him.

00:13:12Clothes, his hobbies, toys, to take to bed at night.

00:13:17Love tokens, they were.

00:13:19Miss Perkins, that is your interpretation of these events.

00:13:22I beg your pardon, even the youngest children knew, sir.

00:13:26Yes, well, we are not here to listen to hearsay or to gossip.

00:13:30Oh, I see.

00:13:33As you like, sir.

00:13:35Now, Miss Perkins, you've told us how Mrs. Finch favoured Kevin Lawrence with gifts.

00:13:40Did she treat him as a favourite in any other way?

00:13:42More affection, for example?

00:13:44Oh, yes.

00:13:46How was that affection shown, Miss Perkins?

00:13:48Physically, in words?

00:13:51How?

00:13:52Physically, oh, yes.

00:13:54Did you see any displays of physical affection between the two of them?

00:13:58And if so, could you describe them?

00:13:59Well, there were plenty.

00:14:02But on bonfire night in 1977, I remember I just turned away from the fire, and there

00:14:09they were kissing behind a tree.

00:14:12What kind of a kiss was it?

00:14:15It was not a kiss of motherly affection.

00:14:17Anyone would have known that.

00:14:18And what did you do?

00:14:19I coughed.

00:14:20They stopped immediately.

00:14:22Did you leave it at that?

00:14:23No.

00:14:23I told Mrs. Finch she shouldn't encourage the boy.

00:14:26It's wrong, Mrs. Finch.

00:14:28But cool as a cucumber, she said, where's the harm in it, Adelaide?

00:14:33Around January, did you notice anything about the relationship between the accused and Kevin

00:14:37Lawrence?

00:14:39Did something happen?

00:14:43Well, I don't know what to say now, I'm sure.

00:14:47Now, don't get upset, Miss Perkins.

00:14:49Answer the question.

00:14:53There was a flu epidemic.

00:14:55Then the boy had a fall and got off school and spent all his days with her.

00:15:00If you ask me, that's when it all happened.

00:15:03Happened?

00:15:04When the affair started.

00:15:05She'd got through two husbands, you know.

00:15:07I went to Mr. Miller and said it's got to stop Donald, but he wouldn't listen.

00:15:11Miss Perkins's really won't do, you know.

00:15:14Did you at this time see them having carnal knowledge?

00:15:18No.

00:15:18Then don't go around making wild accusations.

00:15:21On the 23rd of May of this year, did you receive a visit from another child?

00:15:28I did.

00:15:29And as a result of what that child told you, what did you do, Miss Perkins?

00:15:34That night, I waited, hidden, outside Rita Finch's door.

00:15:39And at a quarter past one in the morning, I caught them both there, in the act, on her sofa.

00:15:47Would you describe the scene, please?

00:15:49They were sitting on her sofa, close together.

00:15:53The boy was undressed.

00:15:55His dressing gown was off.

00:15:57The long cord of his pyjama trousers was undone.

00:16:01And the pyjamas were about his ankles.

00:16:06Mrs. Finch was in her nightdress.

00:16:08Were they touching?

00:16:09They were very close.

00:16:12She had one arm around him, and the other one on him.

00:16:17Where on him?

00:16:21On his thigh.

00:16:23Where on his thigh?

00:16:24By, uh, by his...

00:16:31By his what?

00:16:32By his private parts?

00:16:34Yes.

00:16:36All right.

00:16:37She had plied him with alcohol.

00:16:39Was there alcohol in the room?

00:16:41Or anything to suggest that they had both been drinking?

00:16:43Two glasses used were on the table, and a bottle was beside them.

00:16:46What was the bottle?

00:16:47I didn't stop to read the label.

00:16:49I asked them what was going on.

00:16:51I said to them, pull yourselves together.

00:16:54They looked startled.

00:16:55And what did the accused say?

00:16:58Damn you, Perkins.

00:16:59However did you manage it.

00:17:01And Kevin said,

00:17:02Does she know what we were?

00:17:04And she stopped him.

00:17:06I said, I felt quite sick.

00:17:08And I had no option but to report her to Mr. Miller.

00:17:11And what happened then?

00:17:13The boy put on his dressing gown,

00:17:16and a moment later started to attack me.

00:17:17We struggled until Mrs. Finch called him off.

00:17:21I left almost immediately.

00:17:22Did the accused say anything else?

00:17:25She said,

00:17:27It's no use, Kevin.

00:17:28She saw what she saw.

00:17:30I hope you're satisfied.

00:17:32I told her I was far from satisfied at her shameless behavior,

00:17:36and I told her I could not keep silent any longer.

00:17:40Thank you, Miss Perkins.

00:17:41Would you stay where you are, please?

00:17:42Miss Perkins,

00:17:46was it raining hard on the night of the 23rd of May?

00:17:52I'm sure I don't know.

00:17:53Of course you know.

00:17:54Where were you hiding yourself?

00:17:57You must answer, Miss Perkins.

00:17:59I was standing just around the corner from her door when the boy came by.

00:18:06Ah, so you hid yourself for several hours in the middle of the night,

00:18:11crouching against the brick wall of the old garage in the dark,

00:18:15and I'm assured by the record's heavy rainfall.

00:18:18You must have been soaking wet and frozen solid, weren't you?

00:18:21It was not comfortable, that's true.

00:18:24But you were sustained throughout by your vision,

00:18:26your almost religious zealousness.

00:18:28I was right, wasn't I?

00:18:29Were you?

00:18:30Well, let us look at what happened.

00:18:33Kevin couldn't sleep that night.

00:18:36He had a cough,

00:18:36and he was worried because his girlfriend Sharon had threatened to tell you stories.

00:18:40Eventually, at 1 a.m., Kevin got up and put on his dressing gown.

00:18:43He looked out of his window and across the garden

00:18:46and saw that Mrs Finch's living room light was on.

00:18:49He felt like talking to her, and he did.

00:18:51Isn't that what happened?

00:18:53If you swallow that, you'll swallow anything.

00:18:57Not quite.

00:18:57Now, when you burst into Mrs Finch's living room,

00:19:01they were talking.

00:19:02They were not touching in any way.

00:19:03On the table was one tumbler

00:19:05and a small medicine bottle with cough syrup in it.

00:19:08Kevin's clothing was in no way disturbed.

00:19:10Now, that's the truth, isn't it?

00:19:13His pajama trousers were down around his ankles.

00:19:17Hmm.

00:19:17You said, did you not,

00:19:20the long cord of his pajama trousers was loose,

00:19:23and they were down around his ankles.

00:19:25Now, in concocting that particular lie,

00:19:28you were no doubt unaware, Miss Perkins,

00:19:29that no young person at St Martin's home

00:19:32any longer wore pajamas with a corded waist.

00:19:36Yes, they do.

00:19:38They do not, and they had not done so

00:19:40for six months before this particular incident, Miss Perkins,

00:19:42not since the laundering changed hands

00:19:44and elastic waists were phased in.

00:19:46So, in concocting that particular lie,

00:19:48you tripped up.

00:19:49The cord was just a detail.

00:19:51The pajama trousers were down.

00:19:54So we can believe no detail,

00:19:55in fact, no fact, can we?

00:19:58The trousers that were down

00:19:59were down only in your expectant imagination.

00:20:02It was obvious to us all

00:20:04that she had carnal knowledge of that child.

00:20:06She seduced him deliberately.

00:20:08Miss Perkins,

00:20:09I suggest that you have lied to the court

00:20:11in describing the scene

00:20:12that you found on the night of the 23rd of May

00:20:14and in other evidence you've given.

00:20:16I have not lied.

00:20:17Haven't I sworn to tell the truth?

00:20:19Indeed, you've sworn on the Bible.

00:20:22Is it not true that you missed promotion

00:20:24at the previous home at which you'd worked

00:20:25and that you'd arrived at St Martin's home

00:20:27with high hopes of achieving promotion,

00:20:30the hopes which remained

00:20:31until Rita Finch,

00:20:32younger and less experienced than you,

00:20:34was brought in from outside

00:20:35and promoted over your head?

00:20:37And did you not resent her bitterly?

00:20:41Promotion?

00:20:41More work?

00:20:43What would I have wanted that for?

00:20:44May the witness be shown.

00:20:46Exhibit 22.

00:20:50The document says this,

00:20:52does it not, Miss Perkins?

00:20:54She is defiling your boy.

00:20:56The extra hour for swimming

00:20:58is just a wicked lie.

00:21:00You have been warned, friend.

00:21:02This unsavory object,

00:21:04this anonymous poison pen letter,

00:21:06was received by Kevin's mother,

00:21:07Mrs. Nicholson,

00:21:08on the 10th of April of this year.

00:21:09It's exactly one week

00:21:11after you had first spoken in vain

00:21:13to Mr. Miller.

00:21:15A sheer coincidence, Miss Perkins,

00:21:16or was it you who sent that letter?

00:21:18I most certainly did not.

00:21:20Well, if not you,

00:21:21then whoever did send it?

00:21:22I've already told you.

00:21:23Their relationship was common knowledge

00:21:25all over St Martin's home.

00:21:27Two weeks after Rita Finch resigned,

00:21:29a similar, if more labored letter

00:21:31was sent to the local authority.

00:21:32Don't look at me in that way.

00:21:35I would never do such a thing

00:21:37to a mortal soul.

00:21:38Three weeks thereafter,

00:21:40two local papers received information

00:21:42about the rumours,

00:21:43items in National Daily Papers

00:21:44subsequently appeared,

00:21:45and police inquiries began.

00:21:46It does appear,

00:21:47does it not,

00:21:48Miss Perkins,

00:21:49to be the underhand work

00:21:50of one individual.

00:21:52Could it be you

00:21:52who caused these prosecutions

00:21:54to be brought?

00:21:54I have already told you,

00:21:56I never wrote any letters,

00:21:58but there's no smoke without fire.

00:22:01We are here because

00:22:02there was a relationship,

00:22:04an unnatural relationship,

00:22:05between a middle-aged woman

00:22:07and a child in her care.

00:22:09Miss Perkins,

00:22:09the reason that we are here

00:22:10is that it is alleged

00:22:12that the accused did these things,

00:22:14and it is for the jury

00:22:15to consider whether or not

00:22:17she in fact did.

00:22:18Now, do you understand that?

00:22:19I see.

00:22:21Mr. Sherman.

00:22:22I have only one more question,

00:22:24Miss Perkins.

00:22:24You have recently been promoted,

00:22:27have you not?

00:22:29But she resigned,

00:22:31didn't she?

00:22:32Because she knew

00:22:32what she had done.

00:22:35Somebody has to...

00:22:36Has to pressure her

00:22:37into resignation

00:22:37and the police

00:22:38into prosecution.

00:22:40You now carry out

00:22:41the work that was

00:22:42Rita Finch's,

00:22:43do you not?

00:22:44You hold her position

00:22:45as deputy officer

00:22:46and you live in her flat

00:22:47in the home.

00:22:48You must answer,

00:22:51Miss Perkins.

00:22:56Yes.

00:22:59Young people have a right

00:23:00to be left unmolested.

00:23:02In care should mean

00:23:04what it says.

00:23:05If young people

00:23:06can't trust adults...

00:23:08Mrs. Finch used him

00:23:10to satisfy her lust.

00:23:12She used him.

00:23:14It is disgusting,

00:23:15degrading.

00:23:16I hate having to go

00:23:17through all this,

00:23:18but I must tell you

00:23:19the truth.

00:23:36The case of the Queen

00:23:37against Rita Finch

00:23:38will be resumed tomorrow

00:23:39in the Crown Court.

00:23:41The case of the Queen

00:24:11you are about to see

00:24:11and the characters

00:24:12in it are fictional,

00:24:13the procedure, however,

00:24:14is legally accurate.

00:24:15Rita Finch,

00:24:16deputy officer

00:24:17of a Fullchester

00:24:18children's home,

00:24:19is accused of

00:24:19indecently assaulting

00:24:20Kevin Lawrence,

00:24:22one of the young boys

00:24:23in her care.

00:24:24Sharon Tibbs,

00:24:25also resident at the home,

00:24:26has just started

00:24:27to give evidence.

00:24:29And during your three years

00:24:31at St Martin's,

00:24:32did you become

00:24:32close to Kevin Lawrence?

00:24:34Yeah, we was going together.

00:24:35Started around

00:24:36spring of 77, sir.

00:24:38Going together,

00:24:39Mr. Tibbs,

00:24:39what precisely

00:24:40does that mean?

00:24:41Well, we chat a lot like,

00:24:42and if his mum

00:24:43did come weekend,

00:24:44she took me out

00:24:44two and all

00:24:45with Kev.

00:24:46I see.

00:24:48And did your closeness

00:24:49to Kevin last

00:24:50for quite some months?

00:24:51Yeah, more like a year.

00:24:53Now, to your knowledge,

00:24:54was Mrs. Finch

00:24:55aware of the attachment?

00:24:57Did she know

00:24:57that you were

00:24:58going together?

00:25:00Yeah, she knew.

00:25:01Everyone knows

00:25:02what goes on

00:25:03because there ain't

00:25:03nowhere to go private.

00:25:05Did you and Kevin

00:25:06ever quarrel?

00:25:07Until she got her claws

00:25:08in, spread her web.

00:25:10And come Christmas,

00:25:10he got home leave

00:25:11for a couple of weeks.

00:25:12Home leave?

00:25:13Yeah, then all those

00:25:14ems gets leave

00:25:14to go to him, sir.

00:25:16I see, huh?

00:25:17What was it like

00:25:18when Kevin returned

00:25:19to St Martin's?

00:25:20Things was horrible for me.

00:25:22She was all over him.

00:25:23In what way

00:25:24was she all over him?

00:25:25Well, it's easy for her, see.

00:25:28She'd chosen to do things,

00:25:29to help her,

00:25:30be with her.

00:25:31And then he fell

00:25:31on his bonds,

00:25:32and matron were dead sick

00:25:33at the time.

00:25:34And she, her over there,

00:25:35she played nurse.

00:25:37Played nurse?

00:25:39Yeah, she nursed him

00:25:40in bed, sir.

00:25:41Well, I knew why.

00:25:42And he got love bites

00:25:43on his neck.

00:25:44Here they was,

00:25:45all set of them.

00:25:46You saw love bites

00:25:48on his neck,

00:25:49which appeared

00:25:49whilst he was sick

00:25:50and being nursed

00:25:51by Mrs. Finch?

00:25:52Yeah.

00:25:53This is important.

00:25:55Was there anyone,

00:25:56apart from Mrs. Finch

00:25:57who was nursing him,

00:25:58who might have been

00:25:59in a position to

00:26:00bite Kevin's neck?

00:26:02No one,

00:26:03except Mr. Miller's dog, sir.

00:26:05Did you say anything

00:26:06to Kevin about these bites?

00:26:08No,

00:26:08because I was too upset.

00:26:10All the kids used

00:26:10to call him Travolta

00:26:11because he was a lover.

00:26:13Yes, well,

00:26:13we don't want to hear

00:26:13about what the other

00:26:14children said.

00:26:15Oh, I said something wrong.

00:26:17We just want to know

00:26:18what you yourself saw

00:26:19or what Mrs. Finch

00:26:20said to you

00:26:21around February or March.

00:26:24Well, before Easter,

00:26:25he was supposed to be

00:26:26studying towards his O-levels.

00:26:28Yes.

00:26:28And he got all these

00:26:29job leaflets,

00:26:30book things.

00:26:31Those all over his bed.

00:26:32And he stopped studying

00:26:33and like we got a job.

00:26:34You were that infatuated.

00:26:36I see.

00:26:37Now, think carefully,

00:26:38Ms. Tidd.

00:26:39Did you go somewhere

00:26:40on the evening

00:26:41of the 23rd of May?

00:26:43Kev's bedroom.

00:26:44And what did you go there for?

00:26:46To borrow his vomit bags

00:26:47Gazette, sir?

00:26:47A rock group, Your Honour.

00:26:51And did you see anyone

00:26:53in Kevin's room?

00:26:55Yeah.

00:26:56Finch and Kev.

00:26:57And what were they doing?

00:26:59Standing.

00:27:00Standing close to each other

00:27:02or far apart?

00:27:03Close.

00:27:04Were they touching?

00:27:05Yeah.

00:27:06Or what were they doing?

00:27:07Oh, you know.

00:27:09Embracing each other?

00:27:10Yeah.

00:27:10And was Mrs. Finch kissing, Kevin?

00:27:12Your Honour,

00:27:13this is the most blatant leap.

00:27:14Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:27:15Rephrase the question,

00:27:16Mrs. Tidd.

00:27:17I'm sorry, Your Honour.

00:27:18Now, this embrace.

00:27:21What exactly were they doing?

00:27:23Kissing.

00:27:24And he saw me

00:27:25and he stepped back

00:27:26and she saw me

00:27:26and he said,

00:27:27sticks and stones

00:27:28may break my bones

00:27:29and I told Nosy Perkins

00:27:30about it.

00:27:31Yeah, I see.

00:27:32All right, mister.

00:27:33I have no more questions,

00:27:34Your Honour.

00:27:36That's all right.

00:27:37Sharon.

00:27:37Oh?

00:27:38Just a few questions.

00:27:39All right.

00:27:40You say that you were upset

00:27:42about Kevin's infatuation

00:27:44from Mrs. Finch.

00:27:44How upset were you?

00:27:46Oh, if so, sir.

00:27:48I was very jealous

00:27:49and I was envious, too.

00:27:51In November and December,

00:27:52Mrs. Finch made some positive efforts

00:27:54to throw you two back

00:27:55into each other's company,

00:27:56didn't she?

00:27:57Well, she got us both

00:27:58to Albert Disco nights

00:27:59every other Saturday.

00:28:00Well, it was a nice thing

00:28:01for a member of staff

00:28:02to do, wasn't it?

00:28:03I get the impression

00:28:04of a fair-minded sort of person

00:28:06with good intentions,

00:28:07don't you?

00:28:08She a nice thing she was.

00:28:10You thought she was nice

00:28:11and you couldn't help

00:28:12being jealous of her

00:28:13because of Kevin's infatuation.

00:28:16Now, Sharon,

00:28:17I want you to think back

00:28:18very carefully

00:28:19to the 23rd of May

00:28:20around 6 p.m.

00:28:22Now, you're walking

00:28:23down the corridor

00:28:23to Kevin's room

00:28:24to borrow the cassette.

00:28:26Now, when you came

00:28:26to Kevin's door,

00:28:28was it open

00:28:29or was it closed?

00:28:30It were open.

00:28:31So, his door was open

00:28:34and anybody passing by

00:28:36could just look in.

00:28:37Was there a good light

00:28:38in the room?

00:28:39Yeah.

00:28:40So, you went in the doorway

00:28:41and what did you see, Sharon?

00:28:42Well, like I said...

00:28:44Would you tell us

00:28:45exactly what you did see?

00:28:48Well, I was fibbing

00:28:49about the kiss.

00:28:50I was only hugging.

00:28:51I'm sorry.

00:28:51I'm ever so sorry.

00:28:53Miss Dibbs,

00:28:53are you aware

00:28:54that lying to this court

00:28:55is a very grave offence indeed?

00:28:58Oh, no, sir.

00:28:58I'm sorry.

00:28:59I ain't lied about nothing else.

00:29:01Well, I should hope not.

00:29:02Sorry, sir.

00:29:03It's all right, Miss Dibbs.

00:29:04So, they were only

00:29:06giving each other a hug.

00:29:08Yeah.

00:29:08That's not an unusual thing

00:29:10for friends to do, is it?

00:29:11Not really, no.

00:29:13And what did you say to them?

00:29:14I said to her,

00:29:15I'm going to tell Miss P about you.

00:29:17And what did Mrs. Finch reply?

00:29:19She tried to take my hand,

00:29:20only I wouldn't let her, would I?

00:29:22And she said,

00:29:22you can't really think

00:29:23there's anything in it.

00:29:24And I ran off

00:29:25and told Miss P.

00:29:26Why?

00:29:27Well, she's dead jealous of Finch,

00:29:29she, weren't she?

00:29:30I knew she'd make trouble.

00:29:32Do you think

00:29:32you could have been mistaken

00:29:33in thinking that there was

00:29:35ever any kind

00:29:36of physical relationship

00:29:37between Rita Finch

00:29:39and Kevin?

00:29:40Now, think carefully now.

00:29:41I could have been,

00:29:42Miss Dibbs, sir.

00:29:43But I don't know,

00:29:44see, my sweetheart,

00:29:45and his mum were dead selfish

00:29:46to put him in care

00:29:47just because she got married.

00:29:49Real close.

00:29:50He was lucky,

00:29:51then he was unlucky.

00:29:52Are you perhaps

00:29:53trying to say

00:29:54that Kevin was searching

00:29:55for a substitute mother?

00:29:57And that was all.

00:30:00I reckon.

00:30:02Maybe my kid just did

00:30:03have to have an older woman

00:30:04sometime, for a bit.

00:30:07And, Mrs. Finch,

00:30:07you were employed

00:30:08as deputy officer

00:30:09and house parent

00:30:10at St. Martin's home

00:30:11until five months ago.

00:30:12I was, yes.

00:30:14And when and where

00:30:15did you first meet

00:30:16Kevin Lawrence?

00:30:17The day after I started work.

00:30:19He was fighting another boy

00:30:20by the greenhouse.

00:30:22What happened?

00:30:22Well, I tipped a full

00:30:24watering can over both of them.

00:30:26I didn't know it had

00:30:27insecticide in

00:30:28for the lettuces.

00:30:30What, uh,

00:30:31how long had Kevin

00:30:32been in care

00:30:33at St. Martin's?

00:30:34Six months.

00:30:35What kind of boy was he?

00:30:37Oh, difficult and aggressive,

00:30:38a troublemaker.

00:30:40He didn't know

00:30:41how to get on

00:30:41with the others.

00:30:42He fought them instead.

00:30:44He was mourning his mum.

00:30:46Why?

00:30:46Well, she'd gone

00:30:47to live abroad mostly

00:30:48with their new husband

00:30:49and their baby.

00:30:51It's not surprising

00:30:52he was upset.

00:30:53He needed time.

00:30:55Did Donald Miller,

00:30:56your superior,

00:30:57ever direct you

00:30:57as to what he thought

00:30:58Kevin needed?

00:31:00Yes,

00:31:00a surrogate mother.

00:31:02And as Kevin and I

00:31:03got on well,

00:31:04I was appointed.

00:31:06Kevin was moved

00:31:07to my house

00:31:07with my group

00:31:08of eight kids

00:31:09that August.

00:31:10I spent extra time

00:31:13with him.

00:31:14I wanted him

00:31:14to get back

00:31:15some self-respect.

00:31:16He was good at crafts

00:31:17and I gave him

00:31:18some model kits

00:31:19and so on.

00:31:20And then he helped me

00:31:22sort out my flat

00:31:23as Colin,

00:31:25my husband,

00:31:26had moved

00:31:27his furniture out.

00:31:28Did you develop

00:31:29a close friendship

00:31:29with Kevin?

00:31:30Yes, but it was

00:31:31a professional

00:31:32relationship too.

00:31:34And then all this...

00:31:35Did you ever wonder

00:31:35if Donald Miller

00:31:36had been wise

00:31:37in throwing you

00:31:38together so much?

00:31:39I did wonder,

00:31:40yes.

00:31:41Kevin was 15 then

00:31:43and that's not

00:31:43a child these days.

00:31:45He had a girlfriend.

00:31:45Yes, he had a girlfriend.

00:31:48Now tell us

00:31:48about November the 5th.

00:31:50There was a party

00:31:51in the garden,

00:31:53a barbecue

00:31:54and fireworks

00:31:55and Kevin and I

00:31:56were both baking

00:31:57potatoes together

00:31:58and we talked.

00:31:59We just talked.

00:32:01But talking together

00:32:03can't be mistaken for it.

00:32:06I never touched him.

00:32:08Thank you,

00:32:09Mrs. Finch.

00:32:10Did Adelaide Perkins

00:32:11ever say to you

00:32:12you oughtn't to encourage

00:32:14the poor boy

00:32:15it's wrong?

00:32:16No, she never spoke

00:32:16to me on the subject

00:32:17at all

00:32:18and why should she?

00:32:19There was nothing improper

00:32:20in our friendship.

00:32:22How did you feel

00:32:22about Kevin and Sharon

00:32:23Tibbs' relationship?

00:32:24Well, I encouraged it.

00:32:26I mean, they got together

00:32:27in their free time anyway.

00:32:28But I tried to arrange

00:32:30that their activities

00:32:31should coincide.

00:32:32It wasn't easy

00:32:32as Sharon wasn't in my house.

00:32:34And then Kevin went home

00:32:35for Christmas.

00:32:36And what happened afterwards,

00:32:38Mrs. Finch?

00:32:39I realised that I was

00:32:41deeply fond of him

00:32:42and that it wasn't just...

00:32:45It wasn't loving a child anymore.

00:32:49He was a young man.

00:32:51Yes.

00:32:52Now, did something happen

00:32:53on the 13th of February?

00:32:56Someone found my cat

00:32:58stuck at the top of a tree.

00:33:00She'd been up there

00:33:01all night

00:33:01and there didn't seem

00:33:03any way to get her down.

00:33:04The tree wasn't strong.

00:33:06I was just seeing

00:33:07all the kids

00:33:07onto the school bus

00:33:08when the cleaner rushed in

00:33:09and said that Kevin

00:33:10had had a fall.

00:33:12He'd climbed right

00:33:13to the top, you see.

00:33:15And the tree broke.

00:33:16What happened then?

00:33:18We called the doctor

00:33:19and they both had concussion.

00:33:21Both?

00:33:23The cat and Kevin,

00:33:25Your Honour.

00:33:26He missed school?

00:33:28Yes, for four days.

00:33:30Mrs. Finch,

00:33:31was your relationship

00:33:32with Kevin Lawrence

00:33:33in any way sexual or indecent?

00:33:35No, it wasn't.

00:33:37I cared for him as a person.

00:33:40I respected that he was

00:33:41a 15-year-old teenager.

00:33:43How did you feel

00:33:44about your professional position

00:33:46and responsibility?

00:33:47I felt it was

00:33:48completely appropriate.

00:33:49How so, Mrs. Finch?

00:33:51Well, if loving at 41

00:33:53is a crime,

00:33:53then I am guilty.

00:33:54If that was wrong,

00:33:57then I'm to blame.

00:33:59I'm the one

00:33:59who let it happen.

00:34:02But there was

00:34:03nothing improper.

00:34:04Sir, did you ever

00:34:06commit any sexual action

00:34:08or any act of indecency

00:34:09with Kevin Lawrence?

00:34:11No, never.

00:34:14Mrs. Shermer,

00:34:15I think we will

00:34:16leave it there.

00:34:17It's time for luncheon.

00:34:18I will adjourn

00:34:19until two o'clock.

00:34:21All stand.

00:34:22When the hell

00:34:27are you going to?

00:34:28What things are you going to?

00:34:29I'm never missing.

00:34:31You're only talking

00:34:32for this part.

00:34:33Sharon?

00:34:45Mrs. Finch,

00:34:46we have heard

00:34:47Miss Tibbs allege

00:34:48that in February

00:34:49she observed bruises

00:34:50or bite marks

00:34:51on Kevin Lawrence's neck.

00:34:53Did you ever bite

00:34:54Mr. Lawrence's neck?

00:34:56No, certainly not.

00:34:57If he did have bruises

00:34:58on his neck,

00:34:58I didn't see them.

00:34:59I wasn't in any position

00:35:00to notice such a thing.

00:35:02Did you ever offer him alcohol?

00:35:03No, never.

00:35:04I don't suppose

00:35:05he'd have liked the taste anyway.

00:35:07Did you drink,

00:35:08Mrs. Finch?

00:35:10Well, I was never drunk,

00:35:11if that was what

00:35:12was being suggested

00:35:13by Miss Perkins.

00:35:14Neither was I

00:35:14a teetotaler.

00:35:15I would quite frequently

00:35:18have a drink at bedtime

00:35:19to unwind.

00:35:21And by that time,

00:35:22where was Kevin?

00:35:23Long since asleep

00:35:24in his room.

00:35:25Quite, sir.

00:35:27Mrs. Finch,

00:35:27we've seen

00:35:28that an anonymous

00:35:28poison pen letter

00:35:30that was sent

00:35:31to Mrs. Nicholson

00:35:32in,

00:35:33that's Kevin's mother,

00:35:34in April

00:35:34referred to

00:35:35an extra hour

00:35:36for swimming

00:35:37being a wicked lie.

00:35:39Can you think

00:35:39to what this poison pen

00:35:41writer might have been referring?

00:35:42Oh, it's pathetic

00:35:43whoever wrote it.

00:35:45Kevin was entered

00:35:46for a swimming gala

00:35:47in the town.

00:35:48He was quite good

00:35:49and it meant a lot

00:35:50to him.

00:35:51When the local bus drivers

00:35:53went on strike,

00:35:54I decided to drive him

00:35:55down to the pool myself.

00:35:57We'd go after tea.

00:35:59And what did you do

00:35:59at the pool?

00:36:00I, well,

00:36:01when I dropped him there,

00:36:02I'd sometimes sit

00:36:03and write a letter

00:36:03or a report.

00:36:05Sometimes I'd time him

00:36:07with the stopwatch.

00:36:08And once or twice,

00:36:09I felt like a dip myself.

00:36:11Mrs. Finch,

00:36:12did anything

00:36:13that might be termed

00:36:14indecent

00:36:15ever occur?

00:36:16No, nothing.

00:36:17Ever.

00:36:19On the night

00:36:20of the 17th of April,

00:36:21Mr. Miller

00:36:21found Kevin

00:36:22on his way

00:36:23towards the kitchen.

00:36:24It's been suggested

00:36:25that the boy

00:36:25was on his way

00:36:26towards your flat.

00:36:27Did you have

00:36:28any arrangement

00:36:29with Kevin?

00:36:29Any expectation

00:36:30of a visit from him?

00:36:31No, I certainly did not.

00:36:33Could he have been

00:36:34on his way to you?

00:36:35I can't think why, no.

00:36:36On the 23rd of May,

00:36:39Sharon Tibbs tells us

00:36:40that she saw you

00:36:41and Kevin hugging

00:36:42in Kevin's room.

00:36:43Well, it's hardly

00:36:44an indecent act,

00:36:46but perhaps you'd

00:36:47care to tell us

00:36:48why you went

00:36:48to Kevin's room?

00:36:50Yes.

00:36:51It was his bath night,

00:36:54and I remembered

00:36:55that his bath tile

00:36:56needed replacing.

00:36:57It wasn't far,

00:36:58so I popped along.

00:37:00Kevin happened

00:37:00to be there.

00:37:02We started talking

00:37:03about his success

00:37:04in the 100 metres,

00:37:05and after a couple

00:37:06of minutes,

00:37:07I said I must go,

00:37:09and I gave him a hug.

00:37:11I'm afraid Sharon

00:37:13jumped to false conclusions.

00:37:14She was very upset

00:37:15and wouldn't listen to me.

00:37:17Yes.

00:37:18Please describe

00:37:19for the court

00:37:19everything that happened

00:37:20that night.

00:37:22Well, I couldn't sleep.

00:37:24I lay listening

00:37:25to the rain,

00:37:26and then I decided

00:37:27to read for a bit.

00:37:28Where?

00:37:29In bed.

00:37:29I'd gone to bed.

00:37:31It must have been

00:37:32about 1 a.m.

00:37:33when I heard a tapping

00:37:34on the window.

00:37:36I was a bit frightened

00:37:37because the flat

00:37:38was all on the ground floor,

00:37:39it being an ex-garage,

00:37:41and I had worried

00:37:42about intruders.

00:37:44Then I heard Kevin's voice,

00:37:46so I let him in the door.

00:37:48Why?

00:37:49Because he looked

00:37:50like a drowned rat

00:37:51standing out in the rain.

00:37:53I was cross with him.

00:37:55I said he was being silly,

00:37:56getting soaking wet

00:37:57in the garden

00:37:57in his dressing gown,

00:37:59and for coming

00:37:59to see me at 1 a.m.

00:38:01I said he was behaving

00:38:02exactly as if we did

00:38:04have something to hide.

00:38:05Why did you say that?

00:38:07Because he'd come

00:38:08to see me,

00:38:08to talk to me,

00:38:09because he was worried

00:38:09what Sharon might have

00:38:11told Miss Perkins.

00:38:13He was afraid

00:38:14I might lose my job.

00:38:16He was very upset,

00:38:17and by my reacting

00:38:19so crossly,

00:38:20and he kept coughing.

00:38:23So I sat him down

00:38:24in front of the fire

00:38:25for five minutes,

00:38:26and hung his dressing gown

00:38:27on the guard to dry.

00:38:29Did you do anything

00:38:30about the cough?

00:38:31Yes, I gave him

00:38:32some cough syrup

00:38:33that I'd found

00:38:33in the cabinet.

00:38:35Then Miss Perkins

00:38:37burst in through the door.

00:38:38She looked wild,

00:38:39extraordinary,

00:38:40and was very wet.

00:38:42She said some weird things,

00:38:44and I laughed

00:38:46and said,

00:38:47however did you manage this?

00:38:50It was as if she'd invented

00:38:52Kevin turning up that night.

00:38:53Had he ever come

00:38:54to visit you at night before?

00:38:56Never.

00:38:56Kevin was aghast.

00:38:58He said,

00:38:58what does she think

00:38:59we were doing?

00:38:59And I replied,

00:39:01she saw whatever she saw,

00:39:03because in my view,

00:39:04she was unbalanced,

00:39:05at least that night.

00:39:07Did Kevin attack her?

00:39:09Yes.

00:39:11Then she vanished,

00:39:13triumphantly.

00:39:16I sent Kevin off.

00:39:18Then as the hours went by,

00:39:19I got more and more worried,

00:39:21and by the time

00:39:22Mr. Miller sent for me

00:39:23and I was in his office,

00:39:23all I could do was cry.

00:39:29Now, when Mr. Miller

00:39:30interviewed you,

00:39:31he said that you broke down

00:39:34and admitted that you were

00:39:36having an affair with Kevin.

00:39:38Is that true?

00:39:38No.

00:39:39I admitted that I was

00:39:41very fond of him,

00:39:42that's all.

00:39:44Later on,

00:39:45I thought I may have given

00:39:46the wrong impression,

00:39:47so I went to see Mr. Miller

00:39:48and told him that we hadn't done

00:39:49anything that we shouldn't.

00:39:51and Donald said,

00:39:53I believe you.

00:39:55Mrs. Finch,

00:39:56did you ever

00:39:56indecently assault

00:39:58Kevin Lawrence?

00:40:00No, I'm innocent.

00:40:02I would never

00:40:03commit such an action

00:40:04with any person

00:40:05in my care,

00:40:06in my responsibility.

00:40:09Thank you,

00:40:09Mrs. Finch.

00:40:10Mrs. Finch.

00:40:15Is it not a fact

00:40:16that when your husband

00:40:17left you in June 1977,

00:40:20after you had been

00:40:20only five months

00:40:21in your new job,

00:40:23it was because you had

00:40:24already formed

00:40:24an illegal sexual union

00:40:26with a boy of 14

00:40:27who was in your care?

00:40:28No, that's nonsense.

00:40:29Nevertheless,

00:40:30your husband did leave you.

00:40:32And so you had been

00:40:33twice married,

00:40:34once divorced,

00:40:35and were now separated.

00:40:37So that you,

00:40:38a highly sexed,

00:40:40possibly,

00:40:41certainly experienced

00:40:42and still attractive woman,

00:40:44you now faced

00:40:44an unaccustomed hiatus

00:40:45in your personal

00:40:46and intimate life.

00:40:47Is that correct?

00:40:49I've always considered myself

00:40:51to have a normal sexual drive

00:40:54rather than high.

00:40:56It doesn't appear

00:40:56to embarrass you at all,

00:40:57Mrs. Finch,

00:40:58to be discussing

00:40:58your own sexuality

00:40:59in a crowd of strangers.

00:41:01Perhaps it embarrasses me

00:41:02rather more

00:41:02than it appears

00:41:03to embarrass you, sir.

00:41:04But you did feel

00:41:05quite at ease,

00:41:06didn't you,

00:41:07when you were expressing,

00:41:08indeed displaying,

00:41:09your affection for this boy

00:41:10by showering him

00:41:11with gifts,

00:41:12and quite openly.

00:41:13Well, I did give presents

00:41:14to other children, too,

00:41:15you know.

00:41:15Oh, really?

00:41:16When and what?

00:41:17Well, I, I,

00:41:18I gave Tracy

00:41:19a printing set

00:41:20and...

00:41:23Ah.

00:41:25It was very unusual,

00:41:27was it not?

00:41:27To give presents

00:41:28to children in your care.

00:41:31Now, you say

00:41:32that in January

00:41:33you realised

00:41:34that you were

00:41:34deeply fond

00:41:35of this young man,

00:41:37and you have implied

00:41:38that your affections

00:41:38were returned.

00:41:40And you continue

00:41:40to live in this state

00:41:41in the same building

00:41:42and presumably

00:41:42with close daily contact

00:41:44for five months.

00:41:46Now, when Kevin

00:41:47made his noble

00:41:48and gallant attempt

00:41:49to rescue your cat,

00:41:51was he subsequently

00:41:51confined to bed

00:41:52and in your care?

00:41:53Yes.

00:41:54And no other children

00:41:55were about?

00:41:55No, they were all

00:41:56at school.

00:41:57So, no one else

00:41:57was about.

00:41:59A set of bruises,

00:42:00apparently caused

00:42:01by biting,

00:42:02then appeared

00:42:02on the boy's neck.

00:42:04And I put it to you

00:42:05that you indulged

00:42:07in some sexual play

00:42:08with him during that week.

00:42:10No, I didn't.

00:42:11The bruises, then,

00:42:12are inexplicable.

00:42:12But how can I say?

00:42:14I didn't even see them.

00:42:15The following month,

00:42:16in March,

00:42:17there was, conveniently,

00:42:18an influenza epidemic.

00:42:20Conveniently?

00:42:21Now, you really do

00:42:21have to be joking.

00:42:23I joke, not at all,

00:42:24Mrs Finch.

00:42:25Kevin spent all his

00:42:26free time with you,

00:42:27did he not?

00:42:28And again,

00:42:29you were, conveniently,

00:42:30alone.

00:42:30I was worked off my feet.

00:42:32Oh, really?

00:42:34But you were not

00:42:35so worked off your feet

00:42:36that you did not,

00:42:38once the other staff

00:42:38recovered and returned,

00:42:39provide an exclusive

00:42:40taxi service for your lover

00:42:42to the comparative privacy

00:42:43of the swimming bars

00:42:44every evening.

00:42:45And in this way,

00:42:45you were able to avoid

00:42:46any break in the continuity

00:42:47of your sexual relationship

00:42:49with this under-aged person.

00:42:51Or any time

00:42:51for second thoughts.

00:42:53Isn't that correct?

00:42:53Nothing like that happened.

00:42:55Nothing at all.

00:42:56You did want time

00:42:57alone together, though,

00:42:57did you not?

00:42:58You didn't offer to drive

00:42:59any other children

00:43:00to the pool, did you?

00:43:02Answer the question,

00:43:03Mrs Finch.

00:43:05Did you or did you not

00:43:06offer to share the ride

00:43:07to the pool

00:43:07with any other children?

00:43:11No, I didn't.

00:43:12Because the swimming practice

00:43:13was just a blind,

00:43:14an excuse, wasn't it?

00:43:15We just wanted

00:43:16to be together,

00:43:17that's all.

00:43:18It was a time to talk.

00:43:20But you yourself

00:43:21have said that Kevin

00:43:21at 15 was no longer

00:43:23a child.

00:43:24You described him

00:43:25as a young man.

00:43:27Well, wasn't he normal?

00:43:29Of course he was.

00:43:31Then can you truly say,

00:43:32Mrs Finch,

00:43:33that during this lengthy

00:43:33love relationship

00:43:35between yourself

00:43:35and this young man,

00:43:37can you say on oath

00:43:38that no sexual advance

00:43:40was ever made

00:43:41by either of you?

00:43:42I haven't said that.

00:43:43what I have said is

00:43:45that our relationship

00:43:47never became physical.

00:43:50We made a decision about it.

00:43:52The circumstances were wrong.

00:43:54Did you not find him attractive?

00:43:56Yes.

00:43:57Ah.

00:43:57So the desire

00:44:00was there,

00:44:01but you fought against it.

00:44:03If you like.

00:44:05But without success.

00:44:07At midnight,

00:44:09on the night

00:44:09of the 17th of April,

00:44:10Kevin was caught

00:44:11by Mr Miller

00:44:11in the corridor

00:44:12which led to the back door

00:44:13of your flat.

00:44:15Now you have said

00:44:15that you can't think

00:44:16why Kevin could have

00:44:18been visiting you.

00:44:18That's right.

00:44:19His visiting you

00:44:20was sheer coincidence,

00:44:21no doubt.

00:44:22Look,

00:44:23we had a respect

00:44:24for each other.

00:44:25I see you just

00:44:26can't understand that.

00:44:27Again,

00:44:27the next recorded

00:44:28known incident.

00:44:30You say that

00:44:30on the 23rd of May

00:44:31you went to Kevin's room

00:44:32to replace his bath towel.

00:44:34Yes.

00:44:35But you were no longer

00:44:36even his house parent.

00:44:38Mr Miller had taken

00:44:39the wise precaution

00:44:40of moving Kevin

00:44:40out of your care

00:44:41three weeks earlier

00:44:42after the corridor episode.

00:44:45Can you explain

00:44:45what you were doing?

00:44:46I...

00:44:47I...

00:44:47I went to see Kevin.

00:44:49Without the cleanest

00:44:50bath towel.

00:44:51Yes.

00:44:51No,

00:44:52I can't remember.

00:44:53It's a detail.

00:44:54Then why did you invent

00:44:55the bath towel,

00:44:55Mrs Finch?

00:44:57As an excuse for the court.

00:44:59I wonder what else

00:44:59you've invented.

00:45:02Now do you seriously

00:45:03maintain that the one

00:45:04occasion Kevin was

00:45:04actually caught

00:45:05inside your flat

00:45:06at night

00:45:06was by sheer coincidence

00:45:08the only night

00:45:09he was ever there?

00:45:10Well,

00:45:10I've told you.

00:45:11He was worried

00:45:12that Sharon might

00:45:13tell stories,

00:45:14unfounded stories

00:45:16to Adelaide Perkins.

00:45:17Quite a coincidence,

00:45:18is it not?

00:45:19Let's look at that

00:45:21night more closely.

00:45:22Which of Kevin's

00:45:23garments did you remove?

00:45:24None.

00:45:25Did you not remove

00:45:26his dressing gown?

00:45:26Oh,

00:45:27it was soaking wet.

00:45:28We had to put it

00:45:29to dry.

00:45:30Did you remove

00:45:31Kevin's dressing gown?

00:45:32Well,

00:45:32I might have helped.

00:45:33Did you remove

00:45:34Kevin Lawrence's

00:45:35dressing gown?

00:45:36Yes,

00:45:36we have to dry it.

00:45:39And you were then

00:45:39removing the boy's

00:45:40pyjama trousers

00:45:41when Miss Perkins

00:45:42unexpectedly entered

00:45:43the room.

00:45:43No.

00:45:44No.

00:45:45Why ever not?

00:45:47Were not the boy's

00:45:48pyjama trousers

00:45:48all so wet

00:45:49from the rain

00:45:50in the garden?

00:45:50No,

00:45:50I can't,

00:45:51I can't think.

00:45:52I don't,

00:45:52I didn't notice.

00:45:53You didn't notice?

00:45:55He had a very bad

00:45:56cough and you did

00:45:56not notice whether

00:45:57or not the boy's

00:45:58pyjama trousers

00:45:58were soaked

00:45:59from his check

00:45:59through the rain

00:46:00outside?

00:46:00Mrs. Finch,

00:46:02I suggest

00:46:03that you are lying.

00:46:04You know,

00:46:04you're doing him

00:46:05so much more harm,

00:46:06all of you,

00:46:07by all this

00:46:08than I could ever

00:46:09have done

00:46:09if I'd done anything.

00:46:13Mrs. Finch,

00:46:14perhaps you're

00:46:14a highly strung woman

00:46:15and no doubt

00:46:16you were under

00:46:17considerable strain

00:46:18at the time in question,

00:46:20both in your personal

00:46:20and in your professional life.

00:46:23So much so

00:46:23that you have admitted

00:46:24it took alcohol

00:46:25in the evenings

00:46:26to relax you.

00:46:27You were overworked,

00:46:28the home was understaffed,

00:46:30the occasional

00:46:30error of judgment

00:46:31is unavoidable.

00:46:33A normal,

00:46:34healthy young man

00:46:35was in love

00:46:36with an attractive woman

00:46:37and living

00:46:38in the same building.

00:46:41Things simply

00:46:41got out of hand,

00:46:43didn't they?

00:46:45They all make mistakes.

00:46:48Do you wish to be...

00:46:50Do you wish to be...

00:47:00The case of the Queen

00:47:07against Rita Finch

00:47:08will be concluded tomorrow

00:47:09when the jury reaches

00:47:10its verdict

00:47:10in the Crown Court.

00:47:12The case you are about to see

00:47:37and the characters in it

00:47:38are fictional.

00:47:39the procedure is however

00:47:41legally accurate.

00:47:42Rita Finch,

00:47:43deputy officer

00:47:44to Fulchester Children's Home,

00:47:45is accused of indecently

00:47:47assaulting Kevin Lawrence,

00:47:48one of the boys in her care.

00:47:53Mr. Shermer?

00:47:54Your Honour,

00:47:55the next witness for the defence

00:47:56is Kevin William Lawrence.

00:47:58Kevin William Lawrence.

00:48:00What is your religion?

00:48:08The C of E.

00:48:09Take the Bible in your right hand

00:48:11and read aloud the words

00:48:11on this card.

00:48:12Well, really,

00:48:13I'd rather affirm

00:48:13if that's okay.

00:48:15Why is that, Lawrence?

00:48:16Well,

00:48:17I'm just not 100% sure

00:48:18about God at the moment,

00:48:19Your Honour.

00:48:20Aren't you very well?

00:48:21Just read aloud

00:48:22the words on this card.

00:48:23I, Kevin William Lawrence,

00:48:25do solemnly,

00:48:26sincerely,

00:48:27and truly declare

00:48:27and affirm

00:48:28that the evidence

00:48:29I shall give

00:48:29should be the truth,

00:48:30the whole truth,

00:48:31nothing but the truth.

00:48:33You are Kevin William Lawrence

00:48:35of St. Mary's Hostel

00:48:36for Boys,

00:48:37and you are currently employed

00:48:38at Stokes Glass Factory,

00:48:40East Fulchester.

00:48:41Yeah.

00:48:41How long were you resident

00:48:43at St. Martin's Children's Home,

00:48:45Kevin?

00:48:46Well,

00:48:46from, uh,

00:48:48February 76

00:48:49till Don sent me

00:48:50to St. Mary's

00:48:51in May 1978.

00:48:53And why were you there?

00:48:54Well,

00:48:55do we ever know?

00:48:57Well, okay.

00:48:58Well,

00:48:59I'd live with me mum,

00:48:59you see.

00:49:00Then I was 12,

00:49:01she remarried.

00:49:02Someone from the regular army.

00:49:05I didn't like him.

00:49:06I didn't think

00:49:07he was any good for her.

00:49:09Well,

00:49:10we didn't get on anymore.

00:49:11Yes,

00:49:12and what happened?

00:49:14Well,

00:49:14I was pretty irresponsible.

00:49:16They'd get mad,

00:49:17so I bunked off.

00:49:18Could we have a translation,

00:49:20please?

00:49:20We ran away.

00:49:21I see.

00:49:22And then they had this baby,

00:49:24Mandy,

00:49:24and I didn't like that.

00:49:26Well,

00:49:27he,

00:49:27mum's new husband,

00:49:28got a new posting,

00:49:29and all three of them

00:49:30were travelling all over.

00:49:32I was fighting

00:49:33and getting into bad company,

00:49:35so I was sent to St. Martin's.

00:49:37Is it true to say

00:49:38that you arrived there

00:49:38with a chip on your shoulder?

00:49:40With at least a kilo of them,

00:49:41yeah.

00:49:42Six months later,

00:49:43were you still at odds

00:49:44with the world or not?

00:49:45It had got worse.

00:49:47I got a bad reputation.

00:49:49There was talk

00:49:49that was sending me

00:49:50somewhere else.

00:49:51I'd been threatened

00:49:52with that.

00:49:53Well,

00:49:54then Rita,

00:49:55Mrs Finch,

00:49:55came onto the staff.

00:49:56Did things change

00:49:57for you then?

00:49:58Well,

00:49:59I felt somebody like me

00:50:00for the first time.

00:50:02She made time

00:50:02for us to talk.

00:50:04We became friends.

00:50:06I got a new outlook.

00:50:07Did anything else happen

00:50:09as a result

00:50:09of your new outlook?

00:50:11Yeah.

00:50:11I started going round

00:50:12with Sharon.

00:50:13She became my girlfriend.

00:50:15And for how long

00:50:15did Sharon remain

00:50:16your girlfriend,

00:50:17Kevin?

00:50:18Well,

00:50:19until I realised

00:50:20that

00:50:20that I'd rather

00:50:22be with Rita.

00:50:23And when did you

00:50:23realise that?

00:50:25About November.

00:50:26Did you tell Mrs Finch

00:50:27of your realisation?

00:50:28Well,

00:50:29I didn't have to,

00:50:29did I?

00:50:30She knew.

00:50:31How?

00:50:32Well,

00:50:32you can see

00:50:33what somebody

00:50:33thinks of you.

00:50:34You can see.

00:50:35Now,

00:50:36when she saw

00:50:36that your affections

00:50:37had turned

00:50:38from your girlfriend

00:50:38towards her,

00:50:39what did Rita Finch

00:50:40do then?

00:50:42Well,

00:50:42she tried

00:50:42throwing Sharon

00:50:43and me together

00:50:44every way.

00:50:46It was a drag.

00:50:47I got really annoyed.

00:50:49Why?

00:50:50Because

00:50:51it struck me

00:50:53as condescending.

00:50:54Did you go home

00:50:55for Christmas?

00:50:56Yeah.

00:50:57Mum was on her own

00:50:58with Mandy

00:50:58in a new flat.

00:51:00He'd flown away

00:51:00again,

00:51:01her new husband.

00:51:02I mean,

00:51:03permanently.

00:51:05Well,

00:51:05I felt sorry

00:51:06for Mum.

00:51:07I never felt

00:51:08that before.

00:51:10When I got back

00:51:11to St Martins,

00:51:11Rita was different

00:51:12towards me.

00:51:13Different in what way?

00:51:15Well,

00:51:15we had a relationship.

00:51:17Are you saying,

00:51:18Kevin,

00:51:18that you and

00:51:19Rita Finch

00:51:20embarked on a

00:51:21physical

00:51:21or an emotional

00:51:22relationship?

00:51:23I mean,

00:51:24emotional.

00:51:25It was never

00:51:26physical,

00:51:26never.

00:51:27Did you ever

00:51:27discuss sex

00:51:28with Rita Finch?

00:51:29Yeah.

00:51:30Would you

00:51:30tell us about that?

00:51:32She said,

00:51:33Rita said,

00:51:34that we would

00:51:34be like close

00:51:35friends

00:51:35until after I'd

00:51:37left St Martins

00:51:38at 16

00:51:38or I wasn't

00:51:39in care anymore

00:51:39and then we

00:51:40could see.

00:51:40And what did you

00:51:41say in reply?

00:51:43Well,

00:51:44I respected

00:51:44what she decided,

00:51:46what she said.

00:51:47Did you agree

00:51:48or not?

00:51:49Of course I

00:51:49agreed.

00:51:50She was always

00:51:51very responsible.

00:51:54You know,

00:51:55I was to blame

00:51:56for getting us

00:51:57close,

00:51:58as far as we

00:51:59did as friends.

00:52:01So you feel

00:52:01that you were

00:52:02to blame

00:52:03for the friendship?

00:52:04That's it,

00:52:05yeah.

00:52:06I wouldn't go

00:52:06away or back

00:52:07to Sharon

00:52:07like Rita

00:52:07wanted.

00:52:09I see.

00:52:10Now,

00:52:10Kevin,

00:52:11the prosecution

00:52:11has alleged

00:52:12that some

00:52:12bruises appeared

00:52:13on your neck

00:52:14in February.

00:52:15Now,

00:52:15could you explain

00:52:16how those

00:52:16bruises appeared?

00:52:18Yeah.

00:52:19Well,

00:52:19I was playing

00:52:20a cavalier in a play

00:52:21about Charles I

00:52:22at school

00:52:22during that week.

00:52:24I don't know

00:52:25who they made

00:52:25that ruffled

00:52:25collar for,

00:52:26but it certainly

00:52:26didn't fit me.

00:52:28Are you saying

00:52:28this dramatic

00:52:29costume inflicted

00:52:31the bruises

00:52:31on your neck?

00:52:32That's what

00:52:33happened,

00:52:33yeah.

00:52:34I see.

00:52:37Now,

00:52:37you spend a lot

00:52:37of time in

00:52:38Mrs Finch's company,

00:52:39helping her with

00:52:40her work and

00:52:41sorting out her

00:52:42flat.

00:52:42Is that true?

00:52:44Well,

00:52:44yeah.

00:52:45There's no law

00:52:45against it.

00:52:46Did she ever

00:52:47offer you a drink?

00:52:48What?

00:52:49Well,

00:52:49I mean an

00:52:50intoxicating drink,

00:52:51of course,

00:52:51alcohol.

00:52:51Oh,

00:52:52no,

00:52:52she didn't.

00:52:53In March and

00:52:54April,

00:52:55did Rita Finch

00:52:56take you for

00:52:56extra swimming

00:52:57lessons?

00:52:58For a week or

00:52:59two,

00:52:59yeah.

00:53:00Why?

00:53:01The back crawl

00:53:02was the purpose

00:53:02for the gala,

00:53:04and it was good

00:53:05to get away

00:53:05from the atmosphere

00:53:06of the home.

00:53:07It really was.

00:53:08On the night

00:53:09of the 17th of

00:53:10April,

00:53:10Mr Miller found

00:53:11you in the

00:53:11kitchen corridor.

00:53:12It's been

00:53:12suggested that

00:53:13you were on

00:53:14your way to

00:53:14Rita Finch's

00:53:15flat.

00:53:16Do you remember

00:53:17that night?

00:53:18Yeah,

00:53:18I do.

00:53:19We had a

00:53:20really disgusting

00:53:20tea,

00:53:21meat pudding

00:53:22and semolina.

00:53:24Well,

00:53:24I didn't eat

00:53:24a thing,

00:53:25and I was

00:53:25starving.

00:53:27I knew

00:53:27how to get

00:53:28to the kitchen,

00:53:28so that's

00:53:29where I was

00:53:29off to.

00:53:31Apple pie

00:53:31and chocolate

00:53:32cake.

00:53:33Yes,

00:53:33I see.

00:53:35Now,

00:53:35I want you

00:53:36to tell us

00:53:36about the

00:53:37night of

00:53:37the 23rd

00:53:38or 24th

00:53:38of May.

00:53:39Now,

00:53:39would you

00:53:40just think

00:53:40back and

00:53:41describe what

00:53:41happened?

00:53:43Yeah,

00:53:43sure.

00:53:44Well,

00:53:44Sharon,

00:53:45she got

00:53:46over the

00:53:46wrong end

00:53:46of the

00:53:47stick earlier

00:53:47on.

00:53:47She saw

00:53:48Rita giving

00:53:49me a hug

00:53:49goodbye.

00:53:51And she,

00:53:51Sharon,

00:53:53well,

00:53:53I don't know,

00:53:53chose to make

00:53:54something up.

00:53:55She threatened

00:53:56to make a fuss

00:53:56to nosy

00:53:57Perkins,

00:53:58to Miss

00:53:59Perkins.

00:54:01Well,

00:54:01I laughed

00:54:01at Sharon,

00:54:03only that night

00:54:03I got really

00:54:04worried,

00:54:04just in case.

00:54:07Well,

00:54:07Rita liked

00:54:07her job,

00:54:08but I

00:54:10couldn't sleep

00:54:11anyway.

00:54:13And that

00:54:13night I

00:54:13looked out

00:54:14just across

00:54:14the garden

00:54:15and saw

00:54:15Rita's

00:54:15light was

00:54:16on too.

00:54:17I really

00:54:18wanted to

00:54:18talk to

00:54:18her about

00:54:19it,

00:54:19so I

00:54:19did.

00:54:21Yeah,

00:54:21it was

00:54:22raining hard

00:54:22and I

00:54:22got soaked.

00:54:23Where?

00:54:24What?

00:54:25Where?

00:54:25How did

00:54:26you get

00:54:26soaked?

00:54:27Were your

00:54:27clothes wet?

00:54:28Oh,

00:54:28yeah.

00:54:29We had to

00:54:29put my

00:54:29dressing gun

00:54:30over the

00:54:30fire guard

00:54:31to dry.

00:54:32Were the

00:54:32legs of

00:54:33your

00:54:33pyjama

00:54:33trousers

00:54:34wet or

00:54:35dry?

00:54:36Well,

00:54:36they were

00:54:36sopping,

00:54:37of course.

00:54:38So I

00:54:38put my

00:54:38legs out

00:54:39of the

00:54:39fire to

00:54:39dry.

00:54:41Well,

00:54:42Rita was

00:54:42dead cross

00:54:43with me.

00:54:44She said

00:54:44I was

00:54:44playing into

00:54:45their hands.

00:54:47Whose hands?

00:54:47Well,

00:54:48what did

00:54:48you take

00:54:48that to

00:54:48mean?

00:54:49Well,

00:54:50me being

00:54:50there

00:54:51would have

00:54:51looked bad

00:54:51to her

00:54:52enemies.

00:54:53Those

00:54:53people who

00:54:54can't bear

00:54:54happiness.

00:54:56That

00:54:56mad old

00:54:57bat over

00:54:57there.

00:54:58Lawrence,

00:54:59Lawrence,

00:54:59I will not

00:54:59have that

00:55:00kind of

00:55:00mark.

00:55:01Do you

00:55:01understand?

00:55:01Sorry.

00:55:03What else

00:55:04happened?

00:55:06Well,

00:55:06Rita gave

00:55:07me some

00:55:07cough medicine.

00:55:09We

00:55:09talked.

00:55:10Five

00:55:11minutes

00:55:11later,

00:55:11she

00:55:11suddenly

00:55:12materialises.

00:55:14Rita

00:55:14started

00:55:15laughing.

00:55:16And I

00:55:16said,

00:55:16what does

00:55:17she think

00:55:17we're

00:55:17having?

00:55:17A

00:55:17Roman

00:55:18orgy

00:55:18or

00:55:18something?

00:55:20Seemed

00:55:21funny at

00:55:21the time.

00:55:22Miss

00:55:22Perkins

00:55:23looked so

00:55:23batty.

00:55:26Don

00:55:26called me

00:55:27in next

00:55:27day.

00:55:28And what

00:55:28was said

00:55:29in the

00:55:29course of

00:55:29this

00:55:30interview

00:55:30with

00:55:30Mr.

00:55:30Miller?

00:55:31Well,

00:55:32he asked

00:55:32me what

00:55:32my

00:55:32relationship

00:55:33was with

00:55:33Rita

00:55:34Finch.

00:55:35I

00:55:35said

00:55:35that I

00:55:36loved

00:55:36her

00:55:36and she

00:55:36loved

00:55:37me.

00:55:38He

00:55:38looked

00:55:38surprised.

00:55:40Then he

00:55:40asked if

00:55:41we

00:55:41ever

00:55:41done

00:55:41anything

00:55:41wrong

00:55:42together.

00:55:43And I

00:55:43said no

00:55:43and that

00:55:43was the

00:55:44truth.

00:55:45I see,

00:55:45Mr.

00:55:46Sherman.

00:55:46And when

00:55:47you

00:55:47made

00:55:47that

00:55:48statement

00:55:48did

00:55:48you

00:55:49feel

00:55:49that

00:55:49Donald

00:55:49Miller

00:55:50believed

00:55:50you

00:55:50or

00:55:50not?

00:55:51I

00:55:51think

00:55:52he

00:55:52did.

00:55:52What

00:55:53did he

00:55:53say?

00:55:54He

00:55:54said,

00:55:55er,

00:55:56all right,

00:55:57but I'm

00:55:57still going to

00:55:58play safe

00:55:58for you,

00:55:59lad.

00:55:59My lad.

00:56:00Kevin,

00:56:01did anything

00:56:02indecent

00:56:02ever occur

00:56:03between you

00:56:04and Rita

00:56:04Finch?

00:56:05No.

00:56:06Or did

00:56:07either of you

00:56:08ever touch

00:56:08the other

00:56:09in circumstances

00:56:09that might

00:56:10have been

00:56:10thought to be

00:56:11indecent?

00:56:11No,

00:56:12we

00:56:12didn't.

00:56:16You're

00:56:18very

00:56:18devoted

00:56:19to Mrs.

00:56:20Finch,

00:56:21aren't you?

00:56:21Your

00:56:22feelings for

00:56:23her have

00:56:23endured,

00:56:23haven't they?

00:56:25Yeah.

00:56:25And you

00:56:26don't want

00:56:26to see her

00:56:27convicted

00:56:27as a

00:56:28consequence

00:56:28of a

00:56:29liaison

00:56:29for which

00:56:29you felt

00:56:30to blame,

00:56:30do you?

00:56:31Well,

00:56:31no,

00:56:32but I

00:56:32wouldn't

00:56:32lie for

00:56:32that

00:56:33reason.

00:56:33Now,

00:56:33whoever

00:56:33mentioned

00:56:34lying?

00:56:36Now,

00:56:36you were

00:56:36about to

00:56:37sit seven

00:56:37GCEs when

00:56:38you suddenly

00:56:38decided to

00:56:39leave school,

00:56:39is that

00:56:40correct?

00:56:41Yeah.

00:56:41And you

00:56:42took a

00:56:42dead-end

00:56:42job on a

00:56:43factory floor

00:56:44packing glass

00:56:44bottles with

00:56:45excellent

00:56:46opportunities

00:56:46for

00:56:47overtime,

00:56:47did you

00:56:48not?

00:56:48That's

00:56:49about it.

00:56:50Why?

00:56:51Well,

00:56:51I still

00:56:52could be

00:56:52treated

00:56:52like a

00:56:53child,

00:56:53sir.

00:56:54Because

00:56:54you no

00:56:54longer

00:56:55were

00:56:55a

00:56:55child,

00:56:56having

00:56:56embarked

00:56:57on an

00:56:57adult

00:56:57relationship

00:56:58with

00:56:58Rita

00:56:58Finch.

00:56:59I

00:57:00can't

00:57:00be

00:57:00sure

00:57:00what

00:57:00you

00:57:00define

00:57:01as

00:57:01an

00:57:01adult

00:57:01relationship.

00:57:02I

00:57:03mean,

00:57:03in

00:57:03part,

00:57:04one

00:57:04that

00:57:04included

00:57:04long-term

00:57:05plans.

00:57:07You

00:57:07did

00:57:07plan

00:57:07for

00:57:07the

00:57:07future

00:57:08with

00:57:08Rita

00:57:08Finch,

00:57:08did

00:57:09you

00:57:09not?

00:57:11Answer

00:57:11the

00:57:11question,

00:57:16the

00:57:17impression

00:57:17is of

00:57:17something

00:57:17remarkably

00:57:18grown-up

00:57:19and

00:57:19permanent.

00:57:20Do you

00:57:21mean,

00:57:21did we

00:57:21have

00:57:21sex?

00:57:22Why,

00:57:22did

00:57:22you?

00:57:22No.

00:57:23Well,

00:57:23what was

00:57:23wrong with

00:57:24you?

00:57:24I

00:57:24mean,

00:57:24why not?

00:57:25As I

00:57:25said,

00:57:25we had

00:57:26an

00:57:26agreement

00:57:26between

00:57:27us.

00:57:27But

00:57:27you

00:57:27looked

00:57:27at

00:57:27me

00:57:27like

00:57:27a

00:57:28mature,

00:57:28normal,

00:57:28healthy

00:57:29young

00:57:29man.

00:57:30Oh,

00:57:30I

00:57:30see.

00:57:31Do you

00:57:32mean

00:57:32that

00:57:32when

00:57:32you

00:57:32were

00:57:32at

00:57:32school,

00:57:33women

00:57:33were

00:57:33treated

00:57:33like,

00:57:34well,

00:57:35carving

00:57:35notches

00:57:35on a

00:57:36gun

00:57:46an

00:57:46interesting

00:57:46point

00:57:47to

00:57:47me

00:57:47that

00:57:47counsel

00:57:48is

00:57:48approaching

00:57:48my

00:57:48morality

00:57:49through

00:57:49his

00:57:49own

00:57:49at

00:57:49my

00:57:50age.

00:57:54I

00:57:54was

00:57:54merely

00:57:54about

00:57:55to

00:57:55ask

00:57:55whether

00:57:55you

00:57:56yourself

00:57:56wished

00:57:57the

00:57:57relationship

00:57:57to be

00:57:58sexual

00:57:58or

00:57:59asexual.

00:58:01I

00:58:01wanted

00:58:01what

00:58:01she

00:58:02wanted.

00:58:02Which

00:58:02was?

00:58:03To

00:58:03wait.

00:58:03For

00:58:04another

00:58:04two and

00:58:04a half

00:58:04years?

00:58:05If

00:58:05I

00:58:05stayed

00:58:05in

00:58:05care,

00:58:06yeah.

00:58:06I

00:58:06suggest

00:58:06that

00:58:06what

00:58:07you

00:58:07are

00:58:07asserting

00:58:07is

00:58:07untrue.

00:58:09Let's

00:58:10look at

00:58:10all the

00:58:10evidence.

00:58:11On

00:58:11November

00:58:115th

00:58:121977,

00:58:13you

00:58:13observed

00:58:14kissing

00:58:14Rita Finch

00:58:15behind a

00:58:16tree,

00:58:16presumably

00:58:16in the

00:58:17dark,

00:58:17during a

00:58:18bonfire

00:58:18party.

00:58:18I

00:58:19didn't,

00:58:19no.

00:58:20You

00:58:20seemed

00:58:20to have

00:58:20missed

00:58:20each

00:58:21other

00:58:21over

00:58:21Christmas,

00:58:22and

00:58:22then

00:58:22a

00:58:22positive

00:58:23plethora

00:58:23of

00:58:23incidents

00:58:24and

00:58:24accidents

00:58:24began

00:58:25and

00:58:25continued

00:58:26with

00:58:26a

00:58:26strange

00:58:26regularity

00:58:27over

00:58:27the

00:58:27next

00:58:28five

00:58:28months.

00:58:29First

00:58:29you

00:58:29fell

00:58:30out

00:58:30of

00:58:30a

00:58:30tree

00:58:30and

00:58:31into

00:58:31bed,

00:58:31and

00:58:31into

00:58:32the

00:58:32private

00:58:32care

00:58:32of

00:58:33Mrs.

00:58:33Finch.

00:58:34With

00:58:41your

00:58:41neck,

00:58:42did

00:58:42they

00:58:42not?

00:58:43No,

00:58:43my

00:58:43costume

00:58:43did

00:58:44it

00:58:44in

00:58:44the

00:58:44school

00:58:44play.

00:58:46What

00:58:47was

00:58:47the

00:58:47cavalier's

00:58:48collar

00:58:48composed?

00:58:49Was

00:58:50it a

00:58:50folded

00:58:50white

00:58:50paper?

00:58:52Yeah,

00:58:53but it

00:58:54was all

00:58:54stuck

00:58:54onto

00:58:55a

00:58:55cardboard

00:58:55base.

00:58:56I

00:58:56really

00:58:56must

00:58:56congratulate

00:58:57you

00:58:57on

00:58:57your

00:58:58imagination.

00:58:59But

00:58:59unfortunately

00:59:00for you

00:59:00it's

00:59:00impossible

00:59:01for

00:59:01anyone

00:59:01to

00:59:01believe

00:59:02that

00:59:02a

00:59:02flimsy

00:59:03paper

00:59:03and

00:59:03card

00:59:04ruffled

00:59:04collar

00:59:04could

00:59:04cause

00:59:05upon

00:59:05your

00:59:05neck

00:59:05deep

00:59:06noticeable

00:59:06bruises

00:59:07as

00:59:08from a

00:59:08whole

00:59:08set

00:59:08of

00:59:08biting

00:59:09teeth.

00:59:11Must

00:59:11have

00:59:11been

00:59:11very

00:59:11uncomfortable.

00:59:13Well,

00:59:13the show

00:59:14had to

00:59:14go on.

00:59:15Just

00:59:15like

00:59:15this

00:59:15one

00:59:16here

00:59:16now.

00:59:17Far

00:59:18be it

00:59:18from

00:59:18me

00:59:18to

00:59:18stop

00:59:19the

00:59:19show.

00:59:19You'd

00:59:19rather

00:59:20go

00:59:20on

00:59:20lying,

00:59:20would

00:59:20you,

00:59:21in

00:59:21the

00:59:21hope

00:59:21of

00:59:21saving

00:59:21her?

00:59:21I've

00:59:22told

00:59:22the

00:59:22truth.

00:59:24On

00:59:24the

00:59:2417th

00:59:25of

00:59:25April

00:59:25you

00:59:25were

00:59:26caught

00:59:26on

00:59:26your

00:59:26way

00:59:26to

00:59:26Rita

00:59:26Finch's

00:59:27flat

00:59:27at

00:59:27midnight.

00:59:28No,

00:59:29I

00:59:29wasn't.

00:59:38to

00:59:38me

00:59:38like

00:59:38a

00:59:38rare

00:59:39slip

00:59:39with

00:59:40the

00:59:40ring

00:59:40of

00:59:40the

00:59:41truth.

00:59:51And

00:59:51I

00:59:52put

00:59:52it

00:59:52to

00:59:52you

00:59:52Lawrence

00:59:52that

00:59:53you

00:59:53have

00:59:53lied

00:59:53consistently

00:59:54and

00:59:54in

00:59:55almost

00:59:55every

00:59:55detail

00:59:56of

00:59:56the

00:59:56testimony

00:59:56you

00:59:56have

00:59:57given

00:59:57and

00:59:57for

00:59:58the

00:59:58most

00:59:58obvious

00:59:58motives.

00:59:59I've

00:59:59told

01:00:00the

01:00:00truth.

01:00:04Mr.

01:00:05Shermer,

01:00:05have

01:00:06you

01:00:06any

01:00:06re-examination

01:00:07for

01:00:07this

01:00:08witness?

01:00:08Your

01:00:09Honour.

01:00:09Neither

01:00:10have

01:00:10I.

01:00:11Lawrence,

01:00:11you

01:00:11may

01:00:11go

01:00:12and

01:00:12sit

01:00:12down.

01:00:14And

01:00:15then

01:00:15when

01:00:15Kev

01:00:16was

01:00:16ten

01:00:16we

01:00:17moved

01:00:17to

01:00:17Forchester

01:00:18and

01:00:18we

01:00:19didn't

01:00:19know

01:00:20a

01:00:20soul.

01:00:21It

01:00:21was

01:00:21like

01:00:21we

01:00:21was

01:00:21a

01:00:21married

01:00:22couple.

01:00:23He

01:00:23looked

01:00:23after

01:00:23me

01:00:24right

01:00:24proper

01:00:24he

01:00:25did.

01:00:25He's

01:00:25a

01:00:25good

01:00:26lad.

01:00:26But

01:00:26in

01:00:261976?

01:00:28Oh

01:00:29well

01:00:29then

01:00:30I'd

01:00:30married

01:00:30Mr.

01:00:31Nicholson.

01:00:32That's

01:00:32my

01:00:32second

01:00:33husband.

01:00:34That

01:00:34was

01:00:35a

01:00:35mistake

01:00:35and

01:00:35all.

01:00:36They

01:00:36didn't

01:00:37hit

01:00:37it

01:00:37off

01:00:37at

01:00:37all

01:00:37well.

01:00:38And

01:00:38you

01:00:38had

01:00:38a

01:00:39second

01:00:39child

01:00:39did

01:00:39you

01:00:40not?

01:00:40Yeah.

01:00:41Oh

01:00:41but

01:00:41he

01:00:41Kev

01:00:42he

01:00:43was

01:00:43that

01:00:43jealous

01:00:44poor

01:00:44love

01:00:44I

01:00:44was

01:00:45frightened

01:00:45to

01:00:45leave

01:00:45him

01:00:45alone.

01:00:46Was

01:00:46he

01:00:46beyond

01:00:46control

01:00:47then?

01:00:47Well

01:00:48he

01:00:48was

01:00:48that

01:00:48hard

01:00:48to

01:00:48handle

01:00:49always

01:00:49been

01:00:50a

01:00:50big

01:00:50boy

01:00:50you

01:00:51see

01:00:51but

01:00:52he

01:00:52never

01:00:52let

01:00:52him

01:00:52in

01:00:52half

01:00:53price

01:00:53not

01:00:53even

01:00:53when

01:00:53he

01:00:54was

01:00:54ten

01:00:54when

01:00:55I

01:00:55couldn't

01:00:56manage

01:00:56him

01:00:56was

01:00:57for

01:00:57the

01:00:58best.

01:00:58And

01:00:58after

01:00:59Kevin

01:00:59went

01:00:59into

01:01:00care

01:01:00did

01:01:01you

01:01:01remain

01:01:01in

01:01:01contact?

01:01:02Oh

01:01:02yeah

01:01:02when

01:01:03I

01:01:03was

01:01:03around

01:01:04well

01:01:04he's

01:01:04my

01:01:05boy

01:01:05isn't

01:01:05he?

01:01:06Did

01:01:06you

01:01:06notice

01:01:06any

01:01:06change

01:01:07in

01:01:07him

01:01:07during

01:01:07his

01:01:08first

01:01:08six

01:01:08months

01:01:08at

01:01:09St.

01:01:09Martin's?

01:01:10Well

01:01:10just

01:01:10fighting

01:01:10a

01:01:10different

01:01:11set

01:01:11of

01:01:11boys

01:01:11that's

01:01:12all.

01:01:12Oh

01:01:13well

01:01:13till

01:01:14she

01:01:14Rita

01:01:15come

01:01:15along

01:01:16and

01:01:17as soon

01:01:17as I

01:01:17met her

01:01:17and I

01:01:18thought

01:01:18to

01:01:18myself

01:01:19there's

01:01:20a

01:01:20lady

01:01:20and

01:01:21lovely

01:01:22with

01:01:22all

01:01:22the

01:01:22kids

01:01:23you

01:01:23know

01:01:23what

01:01:23I

01:01:23mean

01:01:23Did

01:01:24you

01:01:24then

01:01:24feel

01:01:25that

01:01:25Mrs.

01:01:25Finch

01:01:26had

01:01:26been

01:01:26a

01:01:26good

01:01:26influence

01:01:27on

01:01:27Kevin's

01:01:28character

01:01:28and

01:01:29behaviour

01:01:29Oh

01:01:29yeah

01:01:30definite

01:01:30Did

01:01:31he

01:01:31ever

01:01:31talk

01:01:32about

01:01:32her

01:01:32to

01:01:32you

01:01:33Oh

01:01:33well

01:01:33a

01:01:33lot

01:01:34at

01:01:34first

01:01:34but

01:01:34then

01:01:35not

01:01:35so

01:01:35much

01:01:35but

01:01:36I

01:01:36knew

01:01:36he

01:01:36was

01:01:37fond

01:01:37of

01:01:37her

01:01:37of

01:01:37course

01:01:38Well

01:01:38I'm

01:01:39his

01:01:39mum

01:01:40And

01:01:40were

01:01:40you

01:01:40at

01:01:40all

01:01:41worried

01:01:41by

01:01:41that

01:01:41knowledge

01:01:42Well

01:01:42you

01:01:43must

01:01:43be

01:01:43joking

01:01:44he

01:01:44was

01:01:44a

01:01:44changed

01:01:45lad

01:01:45it

01:01:45was

01:01:45a

01:01:45blessing

01:01:45Now

01:01:46we've

01:01:46heard

01:01:47evidence

01:01:47from

01:01:47the

01:01:47prosecution

01:01:48that

01:01:49Kevin

01:01:49was

01:01:49seen

01:01:50embracing

01:01:50or

01:01:51hugging

01:01:51Mrs.

01:01:52Finch

01:01:52Oh

01:01:52well

01:01:53he

01:01:53was

01:01:53always

01:01:53hugging

01:01:54me

01:01:54too

01:01:54didn't

01:01:55mean

01:01:55a

01:01:55toss

01:01:55Oh

01:01:57he

01:01:57didn't

01:01:58mean

01:01:58nothing

01:01:58he

01:01:59was

01:02:00always

01:02:00an

01:02:00affectionate

01:02:01lad

01:02:01and

01:02:01there's

01:02:02no

01:02:02harm

01:02:02in

01:02:02that

01:02:02is

01:02:03the

01:02:03dear

01:02:03No

01:02:04indeed

01:02:04Now

01:02:05Mrs.

01:02:05Nicholson

01:02:06on

01:02:06the

01:02:0610th

01:02:07of

01:02:07April

01:02:07did

01:02:07you

01:02:07receive

01:02:08an

01:02:08unusual

01:02:08letter

01:02:09that's

01:02:09exhibit

01:02:0922

01:02:10Your

01:02:10Unusual

01:02:11well

01:02:12I'll

01:02:12say

01:02:12so

01:02:12I

01:02:13mean

01:02:13I've

01:02:13heard

01:02:14about

01:02:14things

01:02:14like

01:02:14that

01:02:15but

01:02:15nothing

01:02:15as

01:02:15nasty

01:02:16as

01:02:16that

01:02:16has

01:02:16ever

01:02:16come

01:02:17through

01:02:17my

01:02:17letterbox

01:02:18whoever

01:02:19done

01:02:19that

01:02:19had

01:02:20harm

01:02:21in

01:02:21their

01:02:21hearts

01:02:22evil

01:02:23She

01:02:24is

01:02:24defiling

01:02:25your

01:02:25boy

01:02:25the

01:02:26extra

01:02:26hour

01:02:26for

01:02:26swimming

01:02:27is

01:02:27just

01:02:27a

01:02:27wicked

01:02:27lie

01:02:28you

01:02:28have

01:02:28been

01:02:28warned

01:02:29a

01:02:29friend

01:02:30what

01:02:30was

01:02:30your

01:02:30reaction

01:02:31Mrs.

01:02:31Nicholson

01:02:32well

01:02:33it

01:02:33was

01:02:34horrible

01:02:34well

01:02:35I

01:02:35was

01:02:36puzzled

01:02:36because

01:02:37Kev

01:02:37had

01:02:37said

01:02:37about

01:02:37the

01:02:38gala

01:02:38asked

01:02:39that

01:02:39Rita

01:02:40interfering

01:02:41with

01:02:41my

01:02:42boy

01:02:42well

01:02:42Rita

01:02:42was

01:02:43my

01:02:43friend

01:02:43she

01:02:44was

01:02:44she

01:02:44never

01:02:44do

01:02:45nothing

01:02:45dirty

01:02:45like

01:02:46that

01:02:46so

01:02:46your

01:02:46reaction

01:02:47to

01:02:47this

01:02:47anonymous

01:02:47letter

01:02:48was

01:02:48to

01:02:48feel

01:02:48that

01:02:48it

01:02:48was

01:02:48an

01:02:49outright

01:02:49lie

01:02:49yes

01:02:50but

01:02:51I'm

01:02:52a

01:02:52good

01:02:52mum

01:02:53for

01:02:54all

01:02:54my

01:02:54thoughts

01:02:55and

01:02:55I

01:02:55went

01:02:56to

01:02:56see

01:02:56Donald

01:02:56about

01:02:57it

01:02:57look

01:02:58I

01:02:58said

01:02:58and

01:02:59showed

01:02:59him

01:02:59that

01:03:00nasty

01:03:00letter

01:03:01and

01:03:01what

01:03:01did

01:03:01Mr.

01:03:02Miller

01:03:02say

01:03:02Donald

01:03:03offered

01:03:04me

01:03:04a

01:03:04glass

01:03:04of

01:03:04sherry

01:03:05and

01:03:06oh

01:03:07well

01:03:08he

01:03:08was

01:03:08very

01:03:09shocked

01:03:09because

01:03:09he

01:03:09worked

01:03:10out

01:03:10as

01:03:10how

01:03:10it

01:03:11meant

01:03:11Rita

01:03:12and

01:03:13look

01:03:13I

01:03:14said

01:03:14Donald

01:03:14is

01:03:15anything

01:03:16going

01:03:16on

01:03:16here

01:03:16what

01:03:17shouldn't

01:03:17be

01:03:17and

01:03:18well

01:03:18I

01:03:19left

01:03:19in

01:03:19no

01:03:19doubt

01:03:20there

01:03:20was

01:03:20nothing

01:03:20dirty

01:03:24yes

01:03:25and

01:03:25so

01:03:25did

01:03:25you

01:03:25leave

01:03:26feeling

01:03:26reassured

01:03:27by

01:03:28Mr.

01:03:28Miller

01:03:28yes

01:03:29but

01:03:30I

01:03:31did

01:03:31go

01:03:31down

01:03:31the

01:03:31swimming

01:03:32baths

01:03:32though

01:03:33are

01:03:33they're

01:03:34nice

01:03:34ones

01:03:34down

01:03:35by

01:03:35the

01:03:35gild

01:03:35hall

01:03:35do

01:03:35you

01:03:35know

01:03:36why

01:03:36did

01:03:37you

01:03:37go

01:03:37there

01:03:37well

01:03:38I

01:03:38wanted

01:03:38to

01:03:38show

01:03:39that

01:03:39nasty

01:03:39letter

01:03:39to

01:03:40Rita

01:03:40I

01:03:40mean

01:03:40she

01:03:41ought

01:03:41to

01:03:41know

01:03:41if

01:03:41folks

01:03:41are

01:03:41saying

01:03:42nasty

01:03:42things

01:03:42behind

01:03:43her

01:03:43back

01:03:43didn't

01:03:43she

01:03:43and

01:03:43was

01:03:44she

01:03:44at

01:03:44the

01:03:44swimming

01:03:45bars

01:03:45yeah

01:03:45but

01:03:46I

01:03:46didn't

01:03:46show

01:03:46them

01:03:46the

01:03:46letter

01:03:47because

01:03:47they

01:03:47hadn't

01:03:47finished

01:03:48change

01:03:48so

01:03:48did

01:03:49you

01:03:49in

01:03:49fact

01:03:49speak

01:03:49to

01:03:50Mrs.

01:03:50Finch

01:03:50or

01:03:50Kevin

01:03:51well

01:03:52no

01:03:52because

01:03:52you

01:03:52see

01:03:53I'd

01:03:53left

01:03:54my

01:03:54Mandy

01:03:54with

01:03:54a

01:03:54neighbor

01:03:55and

01:03:55she

01:03:55had

01:03:55to

01:03:55get

01:03:55her

01:03:56husband's

01:03:56tea

01:03:56and

01:03:56so

01:03:57you

01:03:57left

01:03:57the

01:03:57swimming

01:03:58bars

01:03:58and

01:03:58how

01:03:59did

01:03:59you

01:03:59feel

01:03:59about

01:03:59the

01:04:00matter

01:04:00well

01:04:01I

01:04:01had

01:04:01no

01:04:01worries

01:04:02never

01:04:02had

01:04:03anyway

01:04:03well

01:04:04I could

01:04:04hear

01:04:04him

01:04:04talking

01:04:05all

01:04:05they

01:04:05was

01:04:06talking

01:04:06about

01:04:06was

01:04:06his

01:04:06swimming

01:04:07that's

01:04:07all

01:04:07so

01:04:07you

01:04:08overheard

01:04:08them

01:04:09talking

01:04:09and

01:04:09all

01:04:09they

01:04:09were

01:04:10talking

01:04:10about

01:04:10was

01:04:10Kevin

01:04:11swimming

01:04:11yeah

01:04:13that's

01:04:13right

01:04:14dear

01:04:14well

01:04:15I

01:04:15never

01:04:15doubted

01:04:16her

01:04:16there

01:04:17are

01:04:17some

01:04:18and

01:04:19I'm

01:04:19naming

01:04:20no

01:04:20names

01:04:21but

01:04:21there

01:04:22are

01:04:22some

01:04:22that

01:04:23were

01:04:23envious

01:04:24of

01:04:24Rita

01:04:24but

01:04:25I

01:04:25never

01:04:25doubted

01:04:25her

01:04:26not

01:04:26for

01:04:26a

01:04:26minute

01:04:26and

01:04:27never

01:04:27have

01:04:27done

01:04:27since

01:04:28neither

01:04:28thank

01:04:29you

01:04:29very

01:04:29much

01:04:29Mrs

01:04:29Nicholson

01:04:30would

01:04:30you

01:04:30kindly

01:04:30remain

01:04:30where

01:04:31you

01:04:31are

01:04:31for

01:04:31a

01:04:31little

01:04:31longer

01:04:31Mrs

01:04:34Nicholson

01:04:35did

01:04:36you

01:04:36ever

01:04:36ask

01:04:36Kevin

01:04:37about

01:04:37the

01:04:37nature

01:04:38of

01:04:38his

01:04:38relationship

01:04:39with

01:04:39his

01:04:39husband

01:04:39ask

01:04:41him

01:04:41if

01:04:41it

01:04:41was

01:04:41sexy

01:04:42oh

01:04:43no

01:04:43I

01:04:44didn't want to put

01:04:44dirty thoughts

01:04:45in his head

01:04:45did I

01:04:46however

01:04:46Mr

01:04:46Miller

01:04:47has told

01:04:47us

01:04:47that

01:04:47within

01:04:47three

01:04:48weeks

01:04:48of

01:04:48your

01:04:48anxious

01:04:49visit

01:04:49to

01:04:50him

01:04:50he

01:04:50took

01:04:51the

01:04:51wise

01:04:51step

01:04:51of

01:04:51moving

01:04:52Kevin

01:04:52out

01:04:52of

01:04:52Mrs

01:04:52Finch's

01:04:53care

01:04:53now

01:04:54did

01:04:54it

01:04:54never

01:04:55occur

01:04:55to

01:04:55you

01:04:55that

01:04:56in

01:04:56strongly

01:04:56denying

01:04:57any

01:04:57improper

01:04:58conduct

01:04:58between

01:04:58a

01:04:59staff

01:04:59member

01:04:59and

01:04:59your

01:05:00son

01:05:00Mr

01:05:01Miller

01:05:01was

01:05:01simply

01:05:01acting

01:05:02in an

01:05:02understandably

01:05:03normal

01:05:03calming

01:05:04way

01:05:04towards

01:05:04you

01:05:05the

01:05:05worried

01:05:05parent

01:05:05what

01:05:07no

01:05:08so

01:05:09that

01:05:09after

01:05:09you

01:05:10left

01:05:10he

01:05:10could

01:05:10then

01:05:10deal

01:05:10with

01:05:10the

01:05:11problem

01:05:11as

01:05:11indeed

01:05:11he

01:05:12did

01:05:12by

01:05:12moving

01:05:13Kevin

01:05:13out

01:05:13of

01:05:13Mrs

01:05:13Finch's

01:05:14care

01:05:14well

01:05:15he

01:05:15didn't

01:05:15seem

01:05:16like

01:05:16that

01:05:16to

01:05:16me

01:05:16dear

01:05:17Mrs

01:05:17Nicholson

01:05:18do

01:05:18please

01:05:18stop

01:05:19addressing

01:05:19the

01:05:19prosecuting

01:05:20counsellors

01:05:20dear

01:05:21sorry

01:05:22love

01:05:22during

01:05:25the

01:05:26Christmas

01:05:26holidays

01:05:27how did

01:05:28Kevin

01:05:28appear to

01:05:28you

01:05:28oh

01:05:30he

01:05:30was

01:05:31different

01:05:31he

01:05:32was

01:05:32a

01:05:32man

01:05:33it

01:05:34was

01:05:34that

01:05:34Sharon

01:05:34but

01:05:36we've

01:05:36heard

01:05:36in

01:05:36evidence

01:05:37that

01:05:37Kevin

01:05:37had

01:05:37fallen

01:05:38out

01:05:38with

01:05:38Sharon

01:05:38tips

01:05:39oh

01:05:39no

01:05:40that

01:05:40was

01:05:40just

01:05:40a

01:05:40lover's

01:05:41tiff

01:05:41that's

01:05:41all

01:05:41she

01:05:41was

01:05:42the

01:05:42one

01:05:42they've

01:05:43always

01:05:43been

01:05:43as

01:05:43thick

01:05:43as

01:05:44thieves

01:05:44still

01:05:45art

01:05:46now

01:05:47cast

01:05:48your

01:05:48mind

01:05:48back

01:05:48if

01:05:48you

01:05:48would

01:05:49to

01:05:49your

01:05:49trip

01:05:49to

01:05:50the

01:05:50swimming

01:05:50bars

01:05:50you

01:05:51say

01:05:51that

01:05:51you

01:05:51overheard

01:05:52Kevin

01:05:52and

01:05:52Mrs

01:05:53Finch

01:05:53talking

01:05:53together

01:05:54now

01:05:54where

01:05:54exactly

01:05:55were

01:05:55you

01:05:55in

01:05:56the

01:05:56locker

01:05:56room

01:05:56of course

01:05:57and

01:05:58what

01:05:58exactly

01:05:59did

01:06:00you

01:06:00overhear

01:06:01oh

01:06:03well

01:06:03she

01:06:03said

01:06:04you

01:06:05locked

01:06:05another

01:06:05half

01:06:06second

01:06:06off

01:06:06and

01:06:06he

01:06:07said

01:06:07oh

01:06:07my

01:06:08arms

01:06:08weren't

01:06:08half

01:06:09aching

01:06:09it

01:06:09sawn

01:06:09up

01:06:10all

01:06:10them

01:06:10logs

01:06:10and

01:06:10she

01:06:11said

01:06:11you

01:06:12tried

01:06:12breathing

01:06:13more

01:06:13slowly

01:06:14it's

01:06:14that

01:06:14what's

01:06:15holding

01:06:15you

01:06:15back

01:06:15and

01:06:16then

01:06:16she

01:06:17said

01:06:17can

01:06:18you

01:06:18help

01:06:18me

01:06:18do

01:06:18this

01:06:18up

01:06:19can

01:06:21you

01:06:21help

01:06:22me

01:06:22do

01:06:22this

01:06:22up

01:06:23so

01:06:24they

01:06:24were

01:06:25changing

01:06:25in the

01:06:25same

01:06:26room

01:06:26were they

01:06:26well

01:06:27you

01:06:27see

01:06:28it

01:06:28was

01:06:28after

01:06:29the

01:06:29usual

01:06:29hours

01:06:30and

01:06:30the

01:06:31dressing

01:06:31rooms

01:06:31they

01:06:31was

01:06:32all

01:06:32roped

01:06:32off

01:06:32they

01:06:32had

01:06:33to

01:06:33change

01:06:33in

01:06:33there

01:06:34do

01:06:34I

01:06:34understand

01:06:35you

01:06:35correctly

01:06:35do

01:06:36you

01:06:36mean

01:06:37to

01:06:37tell

01:06:37me

01:06:37that

01:06:37Kevin

01:06:38and

01:06:38Mrs.

01:06:38Finch

01:06:38were

01:06:39dressing

01:06:39or

01:06:40undressing

01:06:41in

01:06:42the

01:06:42same

01:06:42room

01:06:42well

01:06:44yeah

01:06:44but

01:06:44there's

01:06:45rows

01:06:45of

01:06:45lockers

01:06:46dividing

01:06:46the

01:06:46rooms

01:06:47in it

01:06:47aren't

01:06:48there

01:06:48anyway

01:06:49why

01:06:50not

01:06:51well

01:06:51people

01:06:52do it

01:06:52on the

01:06:52beach

01:06:53don't

01:06:54they

01:06:54so

01:06:58the

01:06:58accused

01:06:58was

01:06:59with

01:06:59this

01:06:59underage

01:07:00boy

01:07:00undressed

01:07:01in

01:07:01a

01:07:01locker

01:07:01room

01:07:02with

01:07:02no

01:07:02one

01:07:02else

01:07:03about

01:07:03now

01:07:04did

01:07:04it

01:07:04never

01:07:04occur

01:07:05to

01:07:05you

01:07:05that

01:07:05the

01:07:05conversation

01:07:06which

01:07:06you

01:07:06have

01:07:06just

01:07:06related

01:07:07might

01:07:07have

01:07:07been

01:07:07a

01:07:07cover-up

01:07:08in case

01:07:09someone

01:07:09like

01:07:09a

01:07:09cleaner

01:07:09should

01:07:10walk

01:07:10by

01:07:10but

01:07:11their

01:07:11voices

01:07:12were

01:07:12ordinary

01:07:13both

01:07:14Kevin

01:07:14and

01:07:15the

01:07:15accused

01:07:15herself

01:07:16have

01:07:16maintained

01:07:17that

01:07:17nothing

01:07:17indecent

01:07:18ever

01:07:18occurred

01:07:19between

01:07:19them

01:07:19now

01:07:20we

01:07:20are

01:07:21hearing

01:07:21that

01:07:21they

01:07:24never

01:07:24have

01:07:24been

01:07:24mentioned

01:07:25I

01:07:26wonder

01:07:26what

01:07:26else

01:07:26has

01:07:26not

01:07:26been

01:07:27mentioned

01:07:27you

01:07:28see

01:07:28mrs

01:07:29nicholson

01:07:29I

01:07:29find

01:07:30your

01:07:30attitude

01:07:30somewhat

01:07:30curious

01:07:31there

01:07:32are

01:07:32some

01:07:33who

01:07:33might

01:07:33think

01:07:33to

01:07:33term

01:07:34you

01:07:34as

01:07:34somewhat

01:07:34foolish

01:07:35or

01:07:35short

01:07:35sighted

01:07:36mother

01:07:36you

01:07:38care

01:07:38about

01:07:38your

01:07:39son

01:07:39yeah

01:07:40of course

01:07:40I

01:07:40do

01:07:41and

01:07:42are

01:07:42you

01:07:42living

01:07:42alone

01:07:42now

01:07:43apart

01:07:43that

01:07:43is

01:07:44from

01:07:44the

01:07:44small

01:07:44child

01:07:44of

01:07:45your

01:07:45second

01:07:45marriage

01:07:45yeah

01:07:46and

01:07:47you

01:07:47feel

01:07:47that

01:07:47you

01:07:48have

01:07:48a

01:07:48good

01:07:48relationship

01:07:49with

01:07:49Kevin

01:07:49oh

01:07:50yeah

01:07:51oh

01:07:52he's

01:07:52that

01:07:53sweet

01:07:53little

01:07:53man

01:07:54you

01:07:54wouldn't

01:07:54know

01:07:55him

01:07:55he

01:07:55comes

01:07:56home

01:07:56every

01:07:56weekend

01:07:57oh

01:07:57he's

01:07:58wonderful

01:07:58with

01:07:59us

01:07:59now

01:07:59and

01:08:00would

01:08:00you

01:08:00like

01:08:00to

01:08:00see

01:08:00him

01:08:00discharged

01:08:01from

01:08:01care

01:08:02perhaps

01:08:02having

01:08:03living

01:08:03at

01:08:03home

01:08:04with

01:08:04you

01:08:04on

01:08:04a

01:08:04proper

01:08:04basis

01:08:05yes

01:08:06now

01:08:06that's

01:08:07what

01:08:07I'd

01:08:07like

01:08:07oh

01:08:08he's

01:08:08a

01:08:08good

01:08:09lad

01:08:09honest

01:08:10and

01:08:10that

01:08:10I

01:08:11suggest

01:08:11is

01:08:11why

01:08:11you

01:08:11have

01:08:12distorted

01:08:12the

01:08:12truth

01:08:13about

01:08:18recently

01:08:18assaulting

01:08:19Kevin

01:08:19then

01:08:19your

01:08:20son

01:08:20might

01:08:20be

01:08:20thought

01:08:20by

01:08:21the

01:08:21authorities

01:08:21to be

01:08:21in need

01:08:22of

01:08:22further

01:08:22care

01:08:23they

01:08:23might

01:08:24even

01:08:24think

01:08:24it

01:08:24best

01:08:24might

01:08:25they

01:08:25not

01:08:25that

01:08:25Kevin

01:08:25remain

01:08:26in

01:08:26care

01:08:26and

01:08:27reside

01:08:27at

01:08:27Mary's

01:08:28hostel

01:08:28until

01:08:28his

01:08:2918th

01:08:29birthday

01:08:29and

01:08:31that

01:08:31I

01:08:31suggest

01:08:31is

01:08:31why

01:08:32you

01:08:32have

01:08:32closed

01:08:32your

01:08:32eyes

01:08:33and

01:08:33your

01:08:33mind

01:08:34to

01:08:34the

01:08:34truth

01:08:35of

01:08:35your

01:08:35son's

01:08:36sexual

01:08:36experiences

01:08:37with

01:08:37this

01:08:37woman

01:08:37members

01:08:39of the

01:08:40jury

01:08:40the most

01:08:41crucial piece

01:08:42of evidence

01:08:42in this

01:08:43case

01:08:43concerns

01:08:44the events

01:08:45of the

01:08:45night

01:08:45of the

01:08:4623rd

01:08:46to the

01:08:4624th

01:08:47of

01:08:47May

01:08:48it

01:08:48is

01:08:49also

01:08:49the

01:08:49most

01:08:50conflicting

01:08:50now

01:08:51was it

01:08:52an

01:08:52innocuous

01:08:52and

01:08:53ingenuous

01:08:53gesture

01:08:54on the

01:08:54part

01:08:54of the

01:08:55accused

01:08:55to

01:08:55allow

01:08:56this

01:08:56young

01:08:56person

01:08:56into

01:08:57a

01:08:57room

01:08:57or

01:08:58was

01:08:58it

01:08:58as

01:08:59the

01:08:59prosecution

01:08:59has

01:09:00sought

01:09:00to prove

01:09:01an

01:09:01occasion

01:09:01when

01:09:02intimacy

01:09:02took

01:09:03place

01:09:03now

01:09:04the

01:09:05burden

01:09:05of

01:09:05proof

01:09:05lies

01:09:06with

01:09:06the

01:09:06prosecution

01:09:07and

01:09:08you

01:09:08will

01:09:08find

01:09:09the

01:09:09accused

01:09:09guilty

01:09:10only

01:09:10if

01:09:11you

01:09:11are

01:09:11satisfied

01:09:12so as

01:09:12to

01:09:13feel

01:09:13sure

01:09:13that

01:09:14indecency

01:09:15has

01:09:15been

01:09:16proven

01:09:16now

01:09:17let me

01:09:18remind

01:09:18you

01:09:18that

01:09:19indecent

01:09:19assault

01:09:20is

01:09:20defined

01:09:20as

01:09:21the

01:09:22least

01:09:22touching

01:09:23accompanied

01:09:23by

01:09:24circumstances

01:09:24of

01:09:25indecency

01:09:25as

01:09:26the

01:09:27boy

01:09:27was

01:09:27under

01:09:2716

01:09:28his

01:09:28possible

01:09:29consent

01:09:29to

01:09:30such

01:09:30an

01:09:30act

01:09:30would

01:09:30be

01:09:31no

01:09:31defense

01:09:32now

01:09:33you

01:09:33must

01:09:34separate

01:09:34your

01:09:34minds

01:09:35from

01:09:35the

01:09:35element

01:09:35of

01:09:36gossip

01:09:36in

01:09:36this

01:09:36case

01:09:37further

01:09:38do

01:09:38not

01:09:39be

01:09:39tempted

01:09:39to

01:09:39weigh

01:09:40moral

01:09:40issues

01:09:41your

01:09:42decision

01:09:42is

01:09:42not

01:09:43about

01:09:43right

01:09:43or

01:09:44wrong

01:09:44but

01:09:45if

01:09:45you

01:09:45find

01:09:46it

01:09:46proven

01:09:46beyond

01:09:47reasonable

01:09:47doubt

01:09:47that

01:09:48touching

01:09:49in

01:09:49circumstances

01:09:50of

01:09:50indecency

01:09:51did

01:09:52in fact

01:09:52take

01:09:53place

01:09:53between

01:09:53these

01:09:54two

01:09:54persons

01:09:54then

01:09:55it

01:09:55is

01:09:55your

01:09:56duty

01:09:56to

01:09:56find

01:09:56the

01:09:57defendant

01:09:57guilty

01:09:57if

01:09:58if

01:09:58however

01:09:59you

01:09:59find

01:10:00the

01:10:00charge

01:10:00unproven

01:10:01that

01:10:02is

01:10:02if

01:10:03you

01:10:03have

01:10:03any

01:10:03reasonable

01:10:04doubt

01:10:04then

01:10:05you

01:10:05are

01:10:05to

01:10:05return

01:10:05a

01:10:06verdict

01:10:06of

01:10:06not

01:10:07guilty

01:10:07now

01:10:08you

01:10:09will

01:10:09now

01:10:09please

01:10:09retire

01:10:10elect a

01:10:10foreman

01:10:11and

01:10:11consider

01:10:12your

01:10:12verdict

01:10:13the

01:10:15prisoner

01:10:15will

01:10:15stand

01:10:16members

01:10:18of the

01:10:18jury

01:10:18will

01:10:18your

01:10:19foreman

01:10:19please

01:10:19stand

01:10:19please

01:10:21answer

01:10:21this

01:10:21question

01:10:21yes

01:10:22or

01:10:22no

01:10:22have

01:10:23you

01:10:23reached

01:10:23a

01:10:23verdict

01:10:23on

01:10:23which

01:10:24you

01:10:24are

01:10:24all

01:10:24agreed

01:10:24yes

01:10:25do

01:10:26you

01:10:26find

01:10:26the

01:10:27defendant

01:10:27Rita

01:10:27Mary

01:10:28Finch

01:10:28guilty

01:10:29or

01:10:29not

01:10:29guilty

01:10:30of

01:10:30indecent

01:10:30assault

01:10:31not

01:10:32guilty

01:10:43mort

01:10:48a

01:10:50arrived

01:10:55in

01:10:56hi

01:11:02hi

01:11:07hi

01:11:12h

01:11:12hi

01:11:12h

01:11:12You

Crown Court - Forever (1979)

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