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Host:
- Maria Memon

Guests:
- Kamran Yousaf (Analyst
- Tahir Khan (Analyst)
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Aamir Ilyas Rana (Analyst)

Pakistan, China aur Afghanistan Aik Sath... Paigham Kiya ? Maria Memon's Detail Analysis

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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Memon with the program Sawale Ke Saat, today's topic is
00:16Pakistan-Afghanistan relations, is there a possibility of a new turn?
00:20When Mr. Dar went to China, I saw a picture of China, Afghanistan and Pakistan, all three
00:27countries had a high leadership, what can we learn from this picture?
00:31We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:33After that, is there a possibility of an internal ceasefire?
00:35This is a common question, and when the political debate is finally going to come on internal
00:39matters, we will try to answer this question in the second part of the program.
00:44After that, are you feeling the effects of climate change all over Pakistan at this time?
00:49We will talk about this, and we will also see that in the coming few weeks, months,
00:55where will it go?
00:56Let's start the program.
00:57At the moment, both Pakistan and India are engaging in very aggressive diplomacy.
01:02The delegation from India has reached different countries.
01:05Along with Shashi Tharoor, many of their high-profile politicians will go to different capitals across the party line.
01:11Pakistan has also announced its delegation from here.
01:14Briefings are being held here.
01:15And after that, this aggressive diplomacy will also start.
01:17Mr. Dar himself also saw that last week he went to China.
01:21And on May 21, an important press conference was held in Beijing.
01:25When his picture was shown, I saw that the Taliban representatives were also there.
01:29Mr. Dar was also there.
01:30And apart from this, Wang Pi, who is the Chinese dignitary there, was also there.
01:36We are also seeing the picture of Amir Khan Muttaqi.
01:38So what is the significance of this picture?
01:40We will also talk about this.
01:42And after that, a press release from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs comes after that.
01:45And it is said that on May 21, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Pi,
01:50Pakistani Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Saqdar
01:54and Afghanistan's former Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi met here.
01:58And in a press release from the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it was said that
02:02China supports Afghanistan and Pakistan for its self-determination, security and national security.
02:08In the conference, it was said that all three parties should cooperate in the joint construction of the Belt and Road Initiative.
02:13The expansion and expansion of CPEC to Afghanistan should be strengthened.
02:16And the construction of the Interconnection Networks should be strengthened.
02:22In the press release, it was said that all three countries should oppose all forms of terrorism.
02:26Law-enforcing institutions and security cooperation should be promoted.
02:31We should work together to combat terrorist forces of international intimidation.
02:35And we should be alert against foreign forces interfering in the internal affairs of the regional countries.
02:42According to the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
02:44Pakistan and Afghanistan have also agreed to a full-time agreement on the exchange of Sufra.
02:51And after this statement, we saw that our Foreign Minister, Deputy Prime Minister Saqdar's statement came out.
02:57He said that Afghanistan and China have agreed that the land of others,
03:01whether it is TTM, TTP, BLA or Mujib Brigade, will not be used to terrorize any other country.
03:08Please have a look.
03:09I appreciate that Afghanistan and China have agreed that the land of others,
03:14whether it is TTM, TTP, BLA or Mujib Brigade, will not be used to terrorize any other country.
03:19Terrorism will not be allowed to stay in these countries.
03:23On the other hand, China is encouraging to strengthen relations with Afghanistan.
03:28Mr. Dar said this in the press conference. Please have a look.
03:34He said that we should strengthen our relations.
03:39Obviously, everything is included in strengthening relations.
03:41Our relations have been on the level of charge d'affaires for the past few years.
03:47In the due process, we will see all the pros and cons.
04:02He also said that the decisions made in the meeting of 19th April have been implemented by Pakistan.
04:10All the decisions that we had announced with Mr. Muttaqi on 19th April in Kabul,
04:19have been implemented.
04:21I fully support that we should resolve the issue with all our neighbours.
04:27The core principle should be that we will not tolerate terrorism in our country.
04:33We will not allow our land to be used.
04:39There is a lot of proactive diplomacy going on.
04:43Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif is on a tour of four foreign countries.
04:49All the delegations of India are also going to their capitals.
04:56There is an interesting development in South Asia.
05:00We will talk about this.
05:02We have with us Mr. Kamran Yusuf, senior journalist, expert in various fields.
05:07Mr. Tahir Khan is an expert in Afghanistan.
05:10We often talk to him and take his guidance.
05:13Mr. Kamran, let me start with you.
05:15This was a very interesting picture.
05:19The meeting was also very interesting.
05:21It was discussed after the Pak-India standoff.
05:29Mr. Yusuf went there after 48 hours.
05:33What is the significance of this meeting?
05:35What is your take away from this meeting?
05:38I think its significance is in this context.
05:41Pakistan, Afghanistan and China have a trilateral forum.
05:46The last meeting was in May 2023 in Islamabad.
05:51There is no arrangement between the three countries.
05:55The significance of this meeting is that
05:58after May 2023, the relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan were so bad
06:05that Pakistan was forced to intervene in Afghanistan.
06:10Mr. Ishaq Dar was going there on a bilateral visit.
06:16Mr. Mutakeesh was also visiting Beijing.
06:19As far as I know, this meeting was not planned in advance.
06:24When Mr. Ishaq Dar and Mr. Mutakeesh reached there,
06:28all the parties decided to hold an unofficial meeting.
06:35The trilateral forum was in place, but it was an informal setting.
06:39You mentioned that optics matter a lot.
06:42The picture of the two countries, Pakistan and Afghanistan,
06:46was very clear in the message.
06:49You mentioned that after the partition of Pakistan and India,
06:52India tried to open a channel of communication with the Taliban,
06:56who they considered to be Pakistan's proxy in the past.
07:00This was the first time after two decades
07:04that India established a communication channel with the Taliban on a ministerial level.
07:10India tried to communicate with the Taliban.
07:12The message was very clear to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
07:19The message was very clear to Afghanistan as well.
07:21The message was clear to Pakistan as well.
07:28The message was clear to India as well.
07:30We will not let you succeed in destabilizing Pakistan, China and this region by using Afghanistan's territory.
07:39Mr. Tahir Khan, as Kamran said, two major objectives were achieved from this picture.
07:43Firstly, the message was given to India.
07:47Secondly, Afghanistan was also signaled that if you are with us in the regional stability,
07:55you will have maximum patience.
07:58How do you see this picture?
08:00This meeting took place all of a sudden.
08:03It was a pleasant surprise.
08:08How do you interpret this?
08:12I had an understanding when Mr. Isaldar went to Kabul on 19th April.
08:20When the trust conference was held in Kabul,
08:26he himself said that Afghanistan's wish was to have an informal meeting like this.
08:32It is possible to have an informal meeting in June in Kabul.
08:36It is possible to have an informal meeting in June in Kabul.
08:40The Taliban wants to have an informal meeting in Kabul.
08:43Pakistan has agreed to this.
08:45It is possible because Afghanistan wants to end the tension with Pakistan.
08:59China's role in bringing the two countries closer started in 2017.
09:08There was a huge truck bomb explosion in Kabul.
09:11Around 150 people were killed.
09:13More than 400 were injured.
09:14It was close to the German embassy.
09:16In the past, whenever there was a bomb explosion,
09:18there was always a blame game on Pakistan.
09:20The tension was very high.
09:22When he went to Kabul, he came here.
09:24The tension was very high.
09:26This kept going on.
09:28The importance is that both Pakistan and Afghanistan should end the blame game.
09:40China's role is important because it knows that
09:42as it has been decided in Beijing,
09:47the CPEC will be extended to Afghanistan.
09:51Another important development is that
09:53China has already agreed to the Pakistan-Uzbek border.
10:01But China has promised funding for the border.
10:07Therefore, China has a political significance.
10:10It also has a connection with Pakistan.
10:14If China does not want tension between Pakistan and Afghanistan,
10:18China's objectives of connectivity, economy, and economy
10:25cannot be achieved in a tense environment.
10:29I think this is a picture.
10:31Pakistan and Afghanistan have realized that
10:34there is always a blame game on each other.
10:37Some Pakistanis may be satisfied with the government of Afghan Taliban.
10:41The TTP problem has not been solved.
10:45But Pakistan says that Afghans attack Pakistan together with the TTP.
10:51Many names came forward.
10:54They were also given diamonds.
10:56There were funerals there.
10:58The Taliban has said that the Afghans who used to go to Pakistan
11:05have been beaten on their return.
11:09The way the funerals were held, their way is blocked.
11:12The Ulema were given a warning.
11:15Because this was the fatwa issued by the Afghan Taliban.
11:18You are saying that Pakistan is also satisfied.
11:21I will take this debate a little further.
11:23I have a very interesting offer from Alami.
11:27He says that inclusion has been offered in CPEC to Afghanistan.
11:31In addition, the Belt and Road Initiative, BRI,
11:35has been said that you can collaborate.
11:38Finally, they are trying to bring the distances closer through trade.
11:44You must have seen the pieces being published on social media in India.
11:48They are trying to woo Afghanistan.
11:50They want their relations with Afghanistan to get closer.
11:58In that context, when you give a trade initiative,
12:02what is the impact of this?
12:05When Mr. Taqi Khan was talking about the TTP,
12:11don't forget that China's ETIM, the East Turkistan Islamic Movement,
12:16is as big a threat to China as Pakistan is concerned about the TTP.
12:22The difference is that the diplomacy of the Chinese diplomats is a little different.
12:28They are talking to the Afghan Taliban, giving them incentives.
12:32You talked about the CPEC, the Belt and Road Initiative.
12:35They are explaining to the Afghan Taliban that
12:37if you bring these terrorist groups to your country,
12:40you will have problems.
12:42If you cooperate with us, your economy needs investment,
12:46you need money for mega infrastructure,
12:49then we will help you.
12:51China is basically incentivizing them.
12:55This is also its purpose.
12:57Just like India has just entered,
12:59they are also trying to tell them that
13:01Afghanistan is already facing a lot of problems.
13:04There are terrorist organizations here.
13:06If you work with India,
13:08and India's agenda is very clear,
13:10that they have been using it before,
13:12they want to use it for subversive activities.
13:15I am sure the Afghan Taliban are very shrewd in this regard.
13:18I don't think they will work like this.
13:22The entire exercise of China is basically
13:26to cooperate with us and address security concerns.
13:30In return, we will stabilize your country and invest in you.
13:34The same formula was also told to Pakistan.
13:37Afghanistan has adopted a hardcore policy,
13:40but through dialogue,
13:42it is possible that the progress will be slow.
13:44As Mr. Tahir Khan said,
13:46it is true that the Afghan Taliban have done one thing this time,
13:49that at least their Afghan citizens,
13:52who used to do these activities together with the GDP,
13:55they have taken solid steps in this regard.
13:58They have also taken action against them.
14:00In fact, after the Pahalgam attack,
14:02we saw that Pakistan killed 71 terrorists
14:05from North Waziristan in 2-3 days.
14:08They were coming from the side of Afghanistan.
14:10Most of them were Afghan citizens.
14:12According to my information,
14:14the people who were organizing that formation in Afghanistan,
14:17the Afghan Taliban have also arrested them.
14:19Mr. Tahir, while concluding this discussion,
14:21as we are discussing,
14:23this picture has also come forward,
14:25there are meetings ahead,
14:27there is also an offer like BRI and CPEC inclusion.
14:29This is not just a matter of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
14:34In a way, by association, China is also a team.
14:38Do you think that these relations between the two countries
14:43have come to a new turn?
14:46Is this a new strategy?
14:48Can this happen?
14:50In which trade partnership?
14:52Yes, I think it can definitely happen.
14:54The trade partnership of the three countries
14:56has great significance.
14:59But I will tell you a little by letter,
15:02that the financial year of Pakistan,
15:05from July to March,
15:07which is still going on until June,
15:09but by March, the exports of Pakistan to Afghanistan,
15:13have increased by 33%.
15:15This is an official figure.
15:17We have increased by 33%,
15:19and Pakistan has increased by 16% from Afghanistan.
15:23And just a few days ago,
15:25Pakistan has also announced incentives for them.
15:28Earlier, for example,
15:30their importers had to have a bank guarantee.
15:34Now they have been given the option of an insurance guarantee.
15:3710% tax has also been reduced on those things.
15:40Basically, if China can spend billions of dollars in Pakistan,
15:46then it can also do it in Afghanistan.
15:48Because it is Central Asia.
15:50Why is Afghanistan more interested in the Wakhan Corridor,
15:53which connects Badakhshan with Xinjiang province?
15:57It has not started yet.
15:59But Afghanistan wants to have a separate path with China.
16:02Because there is a lot of security issue there.
16:04So, apart from political importance,
16:07there is an economic aspect.
16:09If there is economic prosperity,
16:11then your political issues,
16:13tensions, and extremism
16:15are more likely to end.
16:17So, this informality is due to China.
16:20And the announcement made by the Chinese foreign minister
16:23that Pakistan and Afghanistan
16:25will now upgrade the relations at the level of Abidin Nazim Ul Umar.
16:31Because China was the first country
16:35who accepted the Taliban's full ambassador.
16:40Now, there is an ambassador named Bilal Karimi.
16:42And China is now in the full-scale table.
16:45Because when your diplomatic ties are upgraded,
16:48then you will have state-to-state relations.
16:51So, I think it is possible that China has pressed both.
16:54That's why China has announced
16:56and has agreed with Pakistan and Afghanistan.
16:58So, things will move forward in my opinion.
17:00But Kamran was absolutely right
17:02that China's policy is of engagement.
17:04It is not of pressure.
17:06I think if you engage,
17:08then problems can be solved.
17:10Sir, I think we need to change the policy
17:12and look at it from a fresh prism.
17:14Thank you very much.
17:16Mr. Tahir Khan was with us.
17:18We will come back after the break.
17:20So, let's talk about internal politics.
17:25Welcome back.
17:26Since we have been discussing
17:28the internal and external challenges of Pakistan
17:30for the past month,
17:32let's go back to the internal politics.
17:34In the segment of the program,
17:36there should be an internal ceasefire.
17:38First of all, you heard this statement
17:40from the chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf,
17:42Barrister Gauhar.
17:44He said that Pakistan has managed
17:46its internal challenges to a great extent.
17:48Should there be a ceasefire for the internal challenges?
17:50What did Barrister Gauhar have to say on this?
17:52When there was a ceasefire with India,
17:54now there should be a ceasefire with politics.
17:56There should be a softening in political issues.
17:59Rana Sanaullah is a senior minister.
18:01He is also the advisor of the Minister of Political Affairs.
18:04He said that there should be a dialogue.
18:06There should be a discussion.
18:08But there should be no preconditions.
18:10Political dialogue does not happen
18:12with any precondition.
18:14Whenever it has to happen,
18:16it has to happen without any condition.
18:18Everything can be discussed
18:20sitting at the table.
18:22And this was offered to him
18:24on the floor of the House.
18:26He used to make a committee
18:28in response to this.
18:30He used to say that
18:32we will sit with you and discuss
18:34whatever needs to be discussed.
18:36After that, there should be a dialogue.
18:38Then he would directly say
18:40that you come to our place
18:42and we will go to your place.
18:44I was watching the interview of
18:46Karan Basir.
18:48He said that there should be a dialogue.
18:50But not for personalities.
18:52There should be a dialogue for the
18:54country.
18:56There should be a dialogue
18:58for the country.
19:00Not for the personalities.
19:02There should be a dialogue
19:04for the country.
19:06How will the country's affairs
19:08be resolved?
19:10Atar Kazmi from
19:12Amritsar is with us.
19:14Will the country's political situation
19:16remain the same
19:18or will anything change?
19:20Either way, we will talk about it.
19:22Tariq-e-Insaaf, Jitne Mooh, Utni Baatein, mujhe unfortunately kehna isliye padhda hai
19:27jo Rehnama aata hai, uske ek mukhtalif statement hai, Khoja Nawab Khan saab ke ek different
19:31tweet aati hai.
19:32Toh pehle toh aapko unke muwakaf mein yaksoi nazar aa rahi hai, Tariq-e-Insaaf yahan pe
19:36siyasi taur pe aage kis tarah badhna chahati hai?
19:38Dekhi Tariq-e-Insaaf mein jo muwakaf matter karta hai, wo Imran Khan saab ka muwakaf hai.
19:42Unka muwakaf bada waze hai, abhi pichle din hoon jab Ali Ameen saab bhi jaa ke unse
19:46mila hai, unki bhenu ki bhi mulaqat hui hai, kuch digar log bhi mila hai, jisme Wukla Rehnama
19:51bhi hai.
19:52Usme unhone muzaqraat ki baat toh ki hai, lekin hukumat se muzaqraat yaksar mustrad ki hai,
19:56unhone kaha hai ke wohi, woh jo baar baar kehte hain ki agar humare muzaqraat honge toh
19:59hum establishment se muzaqraat karenge.
20:01Although ke Khan saab ko jaa ke ye bhi kaha gaya hai, do shiksiyat ka naam bhi liya gaya
20:05ki hukumat ki jaanib se woh muzaqraat kar sakte hain, hum unko engage karenge aur obviously
20:09saare jo phareek hain woh on board honge, lekin usko bhi unhone mustrad ki hai.
20:13Unke agar muzaqraat karne hain, toh direct unse muzaqraat karenge ki jo matter karte hain.
20:17Ab ye kis sat tak policy darust hai, iske upar aap bhyas kar sakte hain.
20:21Lekin isme koi daur aayi nahi ki jistra chairman Gauhar saab ho jayen, kuch shiksiyat hain,
20:25wo ye chahati hain ki hukumat ke sath muzaqraat hon, maamlaat hal hon aur balke wo kaafi zyada
20:30aapko hopeful bhi nazar aaye pichle dino.
20:33Ye jo khabren aati rahi ki Eid se pehle Khan saab reha ho jayenge,
20:36wo bhi Jamaat ke andar se bhi bohot saare log istana ki baat karte rahein.
20:39Toh baar baar hum dekh rahein, 6 mahino se sun rahein.
20:41Eid se pehle, chhoti Eid se pehle, new year pe.
20:44Ye toh timeline mera khaal hai, wo apne voter ke liye bhi dete rahein, taake usko mutaarik rahein.
20:49Mere khaal mein, shayad unko hukumat bhi koi aasra deti rahein.
20:51Taake koi kisi kisam ki tehreek na chal sake.
20:54Aur jahaan bhi bhi koi aisa period aata hai, jahaan pe aalaat thode se aapko aise lagte hain,
20:59ke siyasi taur pe siyasat peeche chalee gaye,
21:01uss moke ko istamaal karte hain, nizam aur hukumat apne aapko mazeed cement karte hain.
21:06Kaheen, taake wo mazeed mazboot hoon.
21:08Chahe wo 26 me aayni tarmeem ho, ya koi aur maamla ho.
21:11Toh wo hai, aur isme mere khaal mein hukumat ki jaanib se bhi unko thodi umeed dilahi jaati hai.
21:15Aur phir aakhar mein hota kuch nahi.
21:18Rana sahab, is waqt aapko lagta hai, ki jis tarah siyasat hai, aise hi raayega,
21:22ya koi iske andar, jo androoni ceasefire ki baat baariste gauhar sahab karte hain,
21:26kaheen hukumati halkon mein yeh soch hai,
21:28ke yeh temperature ko bhi siyasi taur pe neeche leke aana hai,
21:32yaa theek hai, kaam chal raha hai, hukumat ko zuat nahi hai.
21:36Abhi philal, yeh jis tarah se siyasi nizam hai,
21:39jis tarah jo jahan jidhar khada hai,
21:41yeh aise hi nazar aa raha hai aapko aane wale chand mahino mein.
21:45Dekhe Maria, hukumat ki taraf se,
21:48Wazir-e-Azam ne parliament ke floor pe,
21:50abhi Pak-India junk ke dauran,
21:52ek badi masbat offer ki.
21:55Wana toh yeh chahiye tha,
21:56ki siyasi zehen, jitne bhi PTI ke log hain,
21:59woh Khan sahab se,
22:00jis tarah wukla mil rahe the,
22:02wukla ke zariye se hi,
22:03ek letter le lete the,
22:05command ka ke janaab,
22:07in sharaith pe,
22:08ki hum guftagu karte hain,
22:09phir faisla toh aapne karna hai.
22:11Lekin hua kya?
22:13Bajaye iske,
22:14ki is offer ko apne haq mein istamaal karte,
22:18in logon ne yeh kaam kiya,
22:20ke pehle toh khush hue,
22:22ke haan jee,
22:23kyunki establishment ki taraf se bhi,
22:25ek guftagu maujood thi.
22:26Acha, ab us guftagu ko aap is tarah lein,
22:28main nahi kahra,
22:29ke woh establishment ki offer thi.
22:30Main nahi kahra,
22:31woh PTI ke logon ke offer thi.
22:33Lekin woh donon ki baham guftagu thi,
22:35ki aap hukumat ke un logon ko,
22:37jin ke saath aap samajhte hain,
22:39ki aap easy hain,
22:41Rana Sanaullah hain,
22:42jo political baat karte hain,
22:43us tarah ke logon ko leke,
22:45aur beech mein establishment bhi baithe,
22:47kyunki establishment ne baade kar diya tha,
22:48ke humari koi hukumat se kutti toh nahi hui,
22:50aap ki tarah koi ladai toh nahi hui,
22:51ke hum doosron ke saath baith jayein,
22:52aur unko chhod de hain hukumat ko bilkul hi,
22:54woh toh donon ek hai,
22:55jang bhi jeet li,
22:56mashallah,
22:57mainne toh woh manazir dekhi hain,
22:58presidency mein,
22:59field marshal,
23:00army chief ke,
23:01prime minister ke saath,
23:02president ke saath,
23:03main waha maujood tha,
23:04bahut kuch jo humne,
23:06humne dekha,
23:08humne suna,
23:09humne usko report bhi nahi kiya hua,
23:10lekin mujhe nahi samajh aati ki,
23:12jo log door ki kauriyan leke aatein,
23:14jaise ek raat malakaat kara di gayi,
23:16mainne us din,
23:18woh chidiya ek satyaayi bhi thi,
23:19toh uske upar poocha toh,
23:20raat 11-29 pe mainne tweet kiya,
23:22ke 6 ko koi malakaat nahi hui,
23:24nahi koi wajah thi,
23:25nahi koi,
23:26woh har taraf se itla aayi,
23:27abhi mainne poocha,
23:28aapke is program ki record se pehle,
23:30mainne tweet bhi kiya hai,
23:31woh kah rahe hain,
23:32yeh fake news hai,
23:33aur mainne unse poocha hai,
23:34jinn ke paas knowledge hoti hai,
23:35zahira mere toh apne koi,
23:36woh nahi hai na,
23:37ke main direct button dabhaunga,
23:38toh information baahar aajegi,
23:39yeh aayi wali,
23:40yeh brahiraas poochne pe hi pata chalta hai,
23:42toh asal mein hona yeh chahiye,
23:44ke PTI ek atal siyasi kuvat hai,
23:47unke siyasi logon ko,
23:49Khan sahab ke saath dialogue karna chahiye,
23:51yeh baad mein hoga,
23:52kisi ke saath dialogue,
23:53ke Khan sahab ko qahil karein,
23:54ke raasta humne,
23:55aapka banana hai,
23:56kyuki,
23:57jo raasta kashi thi,
23:59jo chadhai thi,
24:00jo Islamabad pe chadhaiyaan,
24:02kar kar ke thag gaye the,
24:03woh zero ho chuki,
24:04aur aaj woh material,
24:06bilkul nahi ho rahi,
24:07inki kisi kisam ki pressure ki koi tab,
24:09aaj banti hai siyasi baat,
24:11ki siyasi logon ke saath baithke,
24:13apne leader ki zamanat bhi karain,
24:15aage cases ke faisle hote chale jaayenge,
24:17lekin yeh jo har dafa hota hai na,
24:19ke baadcheet ka ishaara deke,
24:20ekdum kah diya jata hai,
24:21ki nahi main baitha hu,
24:22aur establishment mujhse baat kare,
24:23toh janaab woh nahi kar rahi hai,
24:24aapke saath aake baat,
24:25unko koi kisi kisam ki fikar nahi hai,
24:27iss sense mein,
24:28ki unke upar koi tension aani hai,
24:30ya kuch hai,
24:31woh theek aista-aista mulk ko,
24:32daggar pe leke aage,
24:33toh unhe kya jaldi padhiye baat karein,
24:34asal siyasi kuvvaton ka kaam hota hai,
24:36ke ekdusre se dialogue karke,
24:37raasta banaye.
24:38Lekin,
24:39Ranaj sahab,
24:40tehliq-e-isaab wale kehte hai,
24:42ki inke paas ikhtiyar nahi hai,
24:45toh phir hum kyu inse baat karein,
24:46woh lagta hai,
24:47ke yeh stall kar rahein hai,
24:48ya iss waqt time buy kar rahein hai,
24:50ya siyasi taur pe ulja rahein hai,
24:52yeh unki tauji hai.
24:55Badi achi baat kahi,
24:57us waqt kisne uljaya tha,
24:59jab Khan sahab ne January mein ajazat di thi,
25:01ke dialogue kar lo,
25:02aur phir kisi ne samjhaya,
25:03oh-oh-oh,
25:04Trump aa raha hai,
25:05oath ho raha hai,
25:06toh tum muzaqraat kar rahe ho gaye,
25:07toh tumhe toh koi puchhega nahi,
25:08toh muzaqraat abhi shuru hi hoye the,
25:09abhi shuru hi hoye the,
25:10beech mein chhod ke bhaag liye,
25:11theek hai,
25:12toh kya hua,
25:13Trump sahab ne kya kiya,
25:14nahi hua na,
25:15phir woh log yeh saara sauda bech rahe the,
25:16Trump aayega,
25:17aur yeh aayega,
25:18aur woh aayega,
25:19jaise woh ek rab aayegi,
25:20aur do raab rupe iske muh pe maaregi,
25:21woh kaam nahi hua,
25:22toh issi tarah Trump wala bhi nahi hua,
25:23toh akal aur hosh ke naakun,
25:24siyasi taur pe le lene chahiyein,
25:25ke aapko karna kya hai,
25:26ke aap kehte hain,
25:27ke aapko karna kya hai,
25:28ke aap kehte hain,
25:29ke jee aakumat ke paas ikhtyaar nahi hain,
25:30toh jinn logon ke paas aap gaye the,
25:31jinn ko aap samajhte hain,
25:32ke ikhtyaar toh,
25:33unhone mashwara diya na,
25:34ke aakumat ko saath bitao,
25:35phir hum baatcheet karenge aap se,
25:36toh phir,
25:37theek hai,
25:38phir intazaar karte rahein,
25:39the toh yeh hi hoga na,
25:40ke aap phir ghante aur din gin ke,
25:41kahenge aaj itwar ho gayi,
25:42itne baj gayi,
25:43aur Chief Justice Islamabad High Court,
25:44ne kaha tha,
25:46ke main aapka case lagaunga,
25:47aur nahi laga,
25:48toh phir karte rahein,
25:49bahi wo Islamabad High Court ki tabdeeliyon mein,
25:50main toh pehla aadmi hoon,
25:51jo sabse pehle bol raha tha,
25:52ke yahan judge bhi nahi aayenge,
25:53aur wo kaam nahi hoga,
25:54jo pehle se judge baith ke intazaar kiya karte the,
25:55chahe Supreme Court mein,
25:56aur chahe High Court mein,
25:57unhone toh petition mein bhi likh diya,
25:58wo ab aa gaye hai na,
25:59judges wale mein,
26:00ke jee wo toh insaaf hi,
26:01sirf PTI ko diya karte the,
26:02unka bhi bida gharak kar diya.
26:03So Atar,
26:05ye jo guftugu ho rahi hai,
26:06haqoomat toh badi comfortable position mein,
26:07agar aap largely dekhen toh,
26:08theek hai usme aap mukhtalif nuances ke upar guftugu kar sakte,
26:09lekar agar practical real politics mein dekhen,
26:10isme haqoomat ne kaafi had tak,
26:11apne aapko mustahkum kar liya hai,
26:12ab wo jo agar international talukaat mein,
26:13koi agar ek umeed thi,
26:14tariq-e-insaaf ko,
26:15ke shayad kahiin,
26:16Trump ki taraf se koi thandi hawa aayenge,
26:17wo bhi option,
26:18bazaahir hota,
26:19nazar nahi aara,
26:20toh usme muzaakhraat mein,
26:21mujaburi kisi ki hai,
26:22government ki,
26:23ya tariq-e-insaaf ki?
26:24dekhein,
26:25muzaakhraat toh,
26:26waise jo zaroorat hai,
26:27wo toh mulg ki zaroorat hai,
26:28iss waqt,
26:29agar haqoomat ki,
26:30koi mujaburi nahi hai,
26:31toh haqoomat ko bhi,
26:32engage karne ki zaroorat nahi hai,
26:33iss waqt,
26:34muzaakhraat se inkaar,
26:35koin kar raha hai,
26:36iss waqt,
26:37muzaakhraat se inkaar,
26:38toh Imran Khan sahab kar raha hai,
26:39ab haqoomat ko bhi,
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