America's Most Wanted- Missing Persons (2025) Season 1 Episode 3- Somebody Knows
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00:00Five-year-old, nine-year-old, 14-year-old Gina DeJesus never made it home.
00:12It's a family's worst nightmare, a son, a daughter, a loved one.
00:16We're doing everything we possibly can to help you.
00:19Gone without a trace.
00:21America's Most Wanted has brought justice and hope to families across America, helping
00:26to bring more than 65 missing children home.
00:28Thanks to some tipsters, Elizabeth Smart was recovered alive.
00:34Now we carry that legacy forward with a single mission, to bring the missing home.
00:39This hole in my heart, where Chelsea's supposed to be.
00:43We've assembled a team to lead the search.
00:45Boots on the ground, Gabby Petito's father, Joe Petito.
00:48Carlos Sparks, Literally Radio.
00:50Survivor, advocate, and investigator, Kara Robinson-Chamberlain.
00:54Former undercover detective, Derek Levasseur.
00:56Maybe someone out there can do something.
00:59True crime podcaster, Payne Lindsey.
01:01Somebody needs to be asked some hard questions.
01:03Working with investigators and listening to families.
01:06Why would he take Delia?
01:07Why would he take my phone?
01:09There's no more waiting.
01:10Tonight, we're going to find them.
01:13No family should have to wonder what happened to their child.
01:16She just vanished.
01:17We need your eyes.
01:18We need your voice.
01:19We're one tip away from changing the course of this case.
01:22We need your help.
01:24It's a missing piece to the family.
01:26I miss my son.
01:28Because one sighting, one tip, one moment.
01:31We're this close.
01:32Can bring someone home.
01:34We never stop searching because we know the families won't stop either.
01:38The search begins now.
01:44Good evening, I'm Harris Faulkner, and this is America's Most Wanted,
01:48Missing Persons, a new show following the lead of the iconic true crime series.
01:53We have three urgent cases to dive into tonight,
01:56and we've assembled a fantastic team of experts to help us.
01:59Derek Levasseur, former undercover detective who has worked with the FBI and the DEA.
02:06Kara Robinson-Chamberlain, a child abduction survivor
02:10who escaped her captor and went on to become a deputy sheriff.
02:14And our special guest, Joe Petito.
02:17After the disappearance and tragic loss of his daughter, Gabby,
02:21he has made it his mission to help other families find their loved ones.
02:25And you recently went to Arizona to help David Robinson search for his son, Daniel.
02:30I've been friends with David now for a few years,
02:33and the torment that he's had to go through day in and day out,
02:36I don't understand the strength that that takes.
02:38And he really is someone to be admired.
02:40Yeah, you both are.
02:41I'm glad you're here and you're helping us solve more here.
02:43So let's get to the first case.
02:45In the fall of 2023, 32-year-old Chelsea Grimm vanished in the Arizona desert.
02:50And Chelsea's circumstances are hauntingly similar to that of Gabby Petito's,
02:56a missing young woman and a heartbroken family.
03:03Hello, are you doing all right?
03:04Yeah, I just was doing a photo shoot of the lost soldiers
03:08and got a little emotional, so I was crying before I got back on the road.
03:12I'm just making sure someone called it in.
03:13Oh, I'm sorry.
03:15No, no, you're quite all right.
03:16I'm just going to sit here and cry.
03:17All right, you're good to go.
03:23Hi, Janet Grimm.
03:26Joe Petito, how are you doing, Janet?
03:27Hey, Joe, Steve.
03:28Steve, nice to meet you.
03:29Good to see you. Come on in.
03:30This is a case of Chelsea Grimm.
03:33A lot of similarities to our own personal story when it came to Gabby.
03:38Cross-country trip, camping.
03:40But Chelsea's been missing for 18 months.
03:43It's my understanding Chelsea was coming from San Diego,
03:47working her way throughout the country to come to a wedding.
03:50She was.
03:50Chelsea had broken up with her boyfriend.
03:53She got as far as Arizona,
03:55and she didn't think she could make it in time for the wedding.
03:58And she said, I'm going to do a little camping and have some me time.
04:02When she left San Diego, she was distraught.
04:08She actually said, don't worry, I'm going to be off the grid.
04:11It'll just be a couple of days.
04:13The last time we talked to her was the 27th.
04:16The last time she was actually seen alive was on the 30th.
04:20We reported her missing October 4th, and they found her car the next morning.
04:26With two flat tires.
04:28All of her stuff is in it.
04:29And it's in the middle of nowhere.
04:33It's your worst nightmare.
04:35Chelsea is our second daughter.
04:38She has tons of energy.
04:40Happy birthday to you.
04:43She developed early on a knack for getting attention.
04:48The way she approaches her life has always been a little
04:51different from the way people approach the world.
04:56Her car was found on a National Forest Service road.
04:59Yeah.
05:01Her car was found on a National Forest Service road.
05:04Yes.
05:0515 miles off of the last paved road.
05:07So do you think that there's a possibility that a nefarious incident happened?
05:12That was our first instinct for sure.
05:15She left her camera in her car.
05:17Chelsea never went anywhere without her camera.
05:20She loved taking pictures.
05:22And leaving her camera is inconceivable to me.
05:25The fact that Chelsea left her camera behind is very concerning for her.
05:29But it wasn't just her camera either.
05:30Chelsea had a to-do list in her vehicle.
05:33A couple of the items were to meditate and to be baptized.
05:37What do you think, in your opinion, happened?
05:40I wouldn't be surprised that she's joined an organization that's spiritually based.
05:45Frankly, if we found her in one of those and she's okay, then we would be pretty thrilled.
05:50Yeah.
05:51Without a doubt.
05:52Without a doubt.
05:53Yeah.
05:54That's the best case scenario for the most part.
05:56It kind of feels that way.
05:58The problem is, until we find out what happened to her,
06:02this hole in my heart where Chelsea's supposed to be won't go away.
06:06Yeah.
06:06And to live like that forever just seems impossible.
06:11Thank you for the strength it even takes to talk about it.
06:14We're going to go out there and reinvigorate the case in a way and see what we can do.
06:19I just can't go back there again.
06:21I understand that.
06:22I can't even really imagine going back there again.
06:31I connected with Janet Steve because I understand the heartache and pain.
06:35Everybody that's on that missing person list needs to be found.
06:38That's why we're here.
06:39To help put that message out there.
06:41If it's okay with you guys, we'll start off with the timeline.
06:45So if we break down the timeline, September 28th, she's contacted by that police officer.
06:50I was just doing a photo shoot.
06:51If it's okay with you, if I hang out here for another 15 or 20 and then head on the road,
06:55that would be my plan, I think.
06:58She then goes into someone's driveway.
07:02What are you doing?
07:03You're driving on my yard.
07:06She's in sloths.
07:09And then she goes deeper into the woods.
07:13That vehicle was there until October 5th.
07:16There weren't a lot of footprints and stuff around the vehicle.
07:20No.
07:21Based on the photos and the camera, she took a picture of the clothing under the tree.
07:25Other than that, we really haven't found any clues.
07:28You know where the vehicle was?
07:30It's right here.
07:31All these lines are individual searchers.
07:33We had search dogs, we used drones, we used helicopter.
07:37Then we posted missing person flyers throughout the area.
07:40She also left her significant other.
07:43You guys feel me on how that worked out?
07:44We were never able to establish at any point he ever actually enters the state of Arizona.
07:50Gotcha.
07:51Talking with the Coconino County Sheriff's Office,
07:53they were able to determine that the ex-boyfriend didn't have the means
07:57or the availability to leave where he lived to go to where Chelsea was.
08:02The dad thinks that there might be some cutoff community.
08:07We did have a theory for a possible cult.
08:11We have no information or knowledge that that exists.
08:14Gotcha, all right.
08:14One of the theories is something nefarious could have happened,
08:17you know what I mean, walking back to town.
08:18There was no evidence of a homicide.
08:22There was no evidence of a kidnapping.
08:24Okay, so let me ask you this.
08:25Two flat tires, do you see that often?
08:29Usually it's one.
08:31I found it very odd that she had two flat tires.
08:33Didn't call AAA, but she had AAA, so that was odd.
08:37Based on the investigation, we felt like the most appropriate
08:39lost person behavior category was maybe a mental health issue.
08:42And she just got out of the vehicle and was lost.
08:45I believe she walks away from that vehicle
08:49and in that area, it puts you into some hazardous conditions.
08:52There's mountain lions, there's other types of wild animals
08:55operating in this region.
08:56Gotcha, all right.
08:57So best guess, either she got lost in the wilderness,
09:02something happened by an animal or something like that,
09:04or a cold or something, or someone passing by.
09:06Took advantage of an opportunity.
09:08There weren't a lot of clues.
09:10No family should have to wonder what happened to their child
09:14after Gabby.
09:15We made a promise that we're going to try and help
09:17as many people as we can.
09:18There's not a lot of clues out there,
09:20but going to the spot where Chelsea's vehicle was last located
09:24could be the deciding factor in how she's found.
09:31Wow, what was it like meeting the Grimms?
09:34I was really nervous going to meet them for the first time,
09:37believe it or not, because I might have a little bit of guilt.
09:40I was able to bring Gabby home, where it's almost two years
09:43and they haven't been able to bring Chelsea home yet.
09:46You know, you got to see the topography there,
09:48and I've been through the Coconino Forest.
09:51It's not easy.
09:51No.
09:52How much did it help you to actually, though,
09:54be on the ground there?
09:56It really gave me a perspective of what might have happened
09:58while being out there, seeing the direction her car was in,
10:00seeing what state her car was in.
10:03There's a lot of speculation, but it really gave me perspective
10:06on what possibly happened.
10:07I think it seems most probable that she was going for help.
10:11She maybe left on foot trying to get help
10:13or trying to find a space that was not so vulnerable
10:16and then possibly became a victim of opportunity.
10:19Agreed.
10:20Well, so Chelsea started off on the 24th,
10:23heading towards Phoenix to meet up with a friend.
10:26She met up with this friend on the 27th of September.
10:29Now, those three days that passed, where did she stay?
10:33Were there hotels?
10:35Was it just camping in her car?
10:37We don't have that information.
10:39She was going to meet her friend on the 28th in Phoenix again,
10:43but instead drove three hours north,
10:45170 miles towards the Khabib National Forest.
10:49And there's not a lot out there.
10:50So just stopping for gas on a highway exit
10:52is not something you can do readily, easily over there.
10:56There's not a lot out there, but there is a lot of traffic,
10:58believe it or not.
10:58And I think, Joe, there's not a better person to be on this
11:01because we know from Gabby's case,
11:02it took a YouTuber online having some footage
11:05that was trivial that saw Gabby's van.
11:07So this case is promising because there may have been
11:09someone who traveled through there and saw something
11:12that they don't know at this point
11:13how valuable that information really is.
11:15Take a look at what you have
11:17in terms of captured video on your phone.
11:19You might have seen something.
11:21Right.
11:21And if you have any information,
11:23please call 1-866-AMW-TIPS
11:26or go to our website, amwtips.com.
11:30Still to come in part two of Chelsea's story.
11:34On the last day she was out here,
11:36she takes that photograph.
11:37You could see the truck leaving.
11:39Couldn't have been an animal.
11:40Did she go off the grid or even just a crime of opportunity?
11:44And then later.
11:44The producer's screaming, Terrence, stop.
11:47Next thing I know, he's running off the side of the mountain.
11:49We stayed in this little area and I'm like,
11:51this guy's long gone.
11:53Savannah went downtown.
11:55He was the last person to see her alive.
11:57After she went missing, someone attempted,
12:00used her cash up card.
12:01She just vanished.
12:04Welcome back.
12:15The search for Chelsea Grimm continues.
12:18In part two of our story,
12:19Joe Petito talks to private investigators
12:23and gets new details that could blow this case wide open.
12:28I can't believe she drove this.
12:30If it was dark and I was driving, we'd get lost.
12:33Talking with the sheriff's office,
12:35they classified it as a mental health issue.
12:39Now we're going to speak to the private investigators
12:41to see what theories they have.
12:45No, I mean, there really is nothing out here.
12:47No, there's really not.
12:48Any direction from here on foot is going to take you days.
12:52The car was parked literally right here.
12:54Right in the center of the road.
12:56On the last day she was out here,
12:58there was a set of hunters that came by in the morning.
13:00They asked her if she was okay.
13:02She said she was, so she went about their business.
13:04Around midday, an Arizona game and fish officer
13:07tells her that if she felt like she needed to walk to town,
13:10she needed to go back the way she came.
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13:22she comes across woodcutters.
13:23So we asked her if she had any trouble.
13:26She said, no, we're fine.
13:27She says, I'm just taking pictures
13:28and you just missed the beautiful sunset.
13:30She sits here after she had contact with the woodcutters
13:33and then she takes a photograph
13:35from her driver's seat into her mirror.
13:37So it was the woodcutter with the license plate
13:39in the side mirror.
13:39Right.
13:40You could see the truck leaving
13:42and then her last photograph was taken
13:44at her front windshield right there.
13:46And that's it.
13:46That's the last thing we know that she did.
13:48Chelsea did run into a lot of people.
13:50Maybe she ran into one that wasn't good.
13:53Even after 18 months,
13:55a local search team of American Legion members
13:57continue to search for clues to Chelsea's whereabouts.
14:01Shifting through all her photos to find items
14:03that we believe she took with her,
14:05the things that are not accounted for
14:06are two very large leather-bound books,
14:09some jewelry, a pair of French branded glasses
14:12called Privé Rambout,
14:14and her bearded dragon named Raza.
14:16Let's see what they can find, huh?
14:20There's nothing out there for miles and miles.
14:22A couple of weeks killed me.
14:23Right.
14:24When you start talking 18 months, four years,
14:26no family should have to go through this.
14:28Seeing the people that came out
14:29trying to help search for Chelsea,
14:31it's just amazing to see.
14:32And we need more of it, so please continue it.
14:37Oh, what do you think that is?
14:39An elk?
14:39An elk?
14:40It couldn't have been an animal.
14:41An aggressive mammal.
14:42It's a wild animal.
14:43It's a wild animal.
14:44Couldn't have been an animal.
14:45An aggressive mountain lion.
14:47Imagine a 32-year-old with nothing to defend herself.
14:50Maybe something did happen with an animal.
14:53I don't think that in her mind
14:54she was thinking how risky it is
14:56to be in a place like this.
14:58This terrain here is not conducive
14:59for a person on their own.
15:01There are campsites up here.
15:02There are hunters that go up here.
15:04I could see Chelsea.
15:05She just wanted to cut off,
15:06went off to some off-the-grid community
15:09or even someone just coming along
15:11and just a crime of opportunity.
15:15Regardless of if it was a mental health issue
15:19or any other issue,
15:20the fact is Chelsea's missing and needs to be found.
15:27All right, so we know that there's some pictures
15:29and we know how much she loved her camera.
15:31She took careful care with the camera
15:33and those belongings in the back of the car.
15:35It's like she knew she was going to come back
15:37to that vehicle potentially.
15:39So Joe, what does that tell you?
15:41It eliminates some things that were said before,
15:44which is the mental health crisis
15:47that might've been happening.
15:48And a lot of times labels get put on missing person cases.
15:51Yeah, I definitely see that happening in cases often,
15:55but a missing person is a missing person.
15:56Whether there's a mental health crisis,
15:58whether someone's a runaway, as I was listed,
16:01it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
16:02It's someone who needs to be found.
16:03And two things can be true, right?
16:05She could have been experiencing
16:06some type of mental anguish
16:08and yet still encountered someone with malice intent.
16:11Kara, what are your thoughts?
16:13I want to remind people that victims don't always act
16:16the way you think they should act.
16:18You can take a case like mine
16:20where I was initially listed as a runaway.
16:22The neighbor saw me willingly get into the car.
16:24And so ultimately had I not escaped,
16:26I would be another missing person possibly.
16:30I would be another murdered girl.
16:32So the search was different.
16:34I think Kara's case is important
16:36to really understand in this one as well,
16:38because with Kara, obviously her offender came up
16:41within a matter of seconds with a gun
16:43and it changed everything.
16:44And when we think about Chelsea,
16:45a lot of people approached her and she politely declined.
16:48She didn't want the help.
16:50But what if she met someone
16:51who didn't take no for an answer?
16:52And if they're a hunter or a camper,
16:54more than likely, what are they going to have on them?
16:55A firearm, a knife.
16:57So in that situation, a young woman alone out in the wood,
16:59maybe not feeling her best at that moment,
17:02it would be easy to take advantage of her,
17:03especially if they had a weapon.
17:05What about her list?
17:07She left a list behind.
17:08This is fascinating.
17:09Let's pull it up.
17:09So to me, the most interesting thing about it
17:12is what's not here.
17:13And what I mean by that,
17:14well, what's missing from this photo?
17:16The rest of the notebook.
17:18And we know that one of the leather bound books is missing.
17:20So for me, I would love to have access
17:22to the rest of that notebook to know what that plan was.
17:25And I actually find it interesting
17:27where she crosses out meditate and keeps read the Bible
17:31and it kind of plays into this together.
17:33So there could be this element of her
17:36joining into some spiritual community.
17:39Yeah, there was a photo that she took
17:40that looked like a makeshift shrine
17:42that potentially she made.
17:44And what's interesting about this photo
17:45is if there's campers out there right now in this area
17:48and they see something similar to this,
17:50they need to take a photo of it.
17:51They need to document the location
17:52because if we find a few of them,
17:54it might lead us to Chelsea.
17:55I think the same exact thing that helps us bring Gabby home
17:59can be the key to bringing Chelsea home.
18:01Again, Jen Bethune was able to bring Gabby home for us
18:05with the video that she found
18:07going through the Teton National Park.
18:09But I'll tell you right now-
18:10And by the way, at the time, not looking for your daughter.
18:12Yeah.
18:12Not knowing how significant that video would be.
18:15That's what's important here
18:16because someone else could have video in this case as well.
18:19But heard the call to action.
18:20Yeah, 100%.
18:20And took the time.
18:21Again, Gabby from Wyoming down to Florida,
18:25he could have dropped her body in Nebraska.
18:28Who was gonna be able to identify at that point,
18:30especially if there wasn't the social media presence that we had?
18:32You know, I have to say this.
18:34You blow me away, Joe.
18:35You really do.
18:37And Gabby created some of that social media presence
18:39with being who she was.
18:42I'll tell you this.
18:43The worst thing that's ever happened to me in my life
18:45was a phone call I received on September 19, 2021.
18:49If I can get past that day,
18:51nothing else is gonna hurt me as much as that.
18:53So having these conversations that we're having now
18:55and talking to families isn't gonna hurt me as much as that.
18:58So I know that I can do this.
19:01And together, we're gonna make a difference
19:03and hopefully bring Chelsea and everyone on that missing person list home.
19:06That's right.
19:07We will.
19:08Kara, if you could, what would you say to Chelsea?
19:11If you're out there and you're being held against your will,
19:13there will be a moment of complacency.
19:16That's your chance to escape.
19:17You're brave enough.
19:18You're strong enough.
19:19You're worth it.
19:19You can do it.
19:20Amen.
19:21Remember, if you at home know anything at all,
19:24please call 1-866-AMW-TIPS
19:27or go to our website, amwtips.com.
19:31Stay close.
19:44Welcome back.
19:46Our search for the missing continues.
19:48This time for 26-year-old Terrence Woods Jr.
19:52He was working on a TV show in Idaho
19:54when he allegedly took off running down a cliff and vanished.
19:59What caused him to run?
20:01And how do we find him?
20:03I want everyone to watch this.
20:11So this is T's room.
20:14This is the way his room was the day I took him to the airport, September 30th, 2018.
20:20Here's T.
20:21Hello.
20:22That's us together.
20:23He had a traveling bug.
20:25He would show me his passport.
20:26He said, Dad, look at my passport.
20:27It's stamped this.
20:28I'm going here.
20:30After he graduated from University of Maryland,
20:32he moved to London.
20:34Then he started working for the TV industry.
20:37He left to go to Idaho, September 30th, 2018.
20:42And they were going to do this shoot.
20:43They were supposed to be gone for two weeks.
20:45Then the next time I heard from him,
20:46he said that he was coming home early.
20:49And that was the last time I heard from him
20:51before he allegedly disappeared off a cliff.
20:56London was my first ever destination outside of the US.
20:58And one of my favorite things about it
20:59usually was just staring at the Palace of Westminster.
21:01These are videos from Woods' Vimeo page
21:03that show he's worked on a number of productions around the world.
21:06The 26-year-old was part of a dozen-person crew
21:09shooting a documentary in the Oro Grande area
21:12with a London production company called Raw TV when he got separated.
21:17Witnesses on the scene told the sheriff's office
21:19Woods had been acting strange.
21:22We met Terrence in Grangeville.
21:24He was like an assistant on the shoot.
21:28That morning, I remember seeing Terrence with my wife, Sheree,
21:33on the little road that led out of there.
21:35I think she knew his whole life information
21:38before the end of the day.
21:39We met and we talked for a long time.
21:43There was something with his family dynamics.
21:47He says, oh, my mom is having major surgery.
21:51And they says, oh, and my dad, he's going blind.
21:56That was a picture he was painting, this whole thing.
22:01A couple hours later, we hear,
22:05it's a rap!
22:06And some of them are singing because they're coming back.
22:08And so we walk over here.
22:10It was about 30 feet away.
22:12And he stands there and he turns around.
22:13He has a radio in his hand
22:16and he put the radio down on the ground behind him.
22:19That point, I turned around.
22:22And then all of a sudden, the producer starts screaming,
22:25Terrence, stop!
22:26Stop, Terrence!
22:29He was running down the mountain.
22:32The producer goes running after him.
22:35I could hear all this brush breaking and branches breaking.
22:38And I'm like, what in the world is going on?
22:41I asked my wife, what's happening?
22:42She goes, I don't know.
22:44Next thing I know, he's running off the side of the mountain.
22:48He absolutely vanished.
22:54We got the call.
22:55And we did some basic searching from the information that we got.
22:59But we saw no signs of him.
23:02The next day, we got all the dog teams, helicopter.
23:08We were gridding the whole mountainside.
23:10We didn't find anything.
23:16We stayed focused in this little area the whole time.
23:19And I'm like, this guy's long gone.
23:23We had trackers come in.
23:24And they tracked him down to a road crossing.
23:28And they thought that they could see his slide marks down
23:33to the road base.
23:35That was it.
23:36His dad said the things he told me were not true.
23:39But at the time, I thought, oh, this poor guy,
23:42he's got such a sad life that he wanted to go kill himself
23:47in the forest.
23:49I mean, I can't even fathom that he ran down a cliff.
23:52But if he was to run, he wouldn't
23:54have been talking calm and normal to someone.
23:56And then all of a sudden, take off running.
23:59If he was to run, he's going to run
24:01because he's afraid of something.
24:03People think he fell into a mine shaft.
24:05But I don't, because show me the mine shaft.
24:09A bear or a mountain lion, there would be remains.
24:12There would be some type of evidence.
24:14Do you think Terrence is alive?
24:16Oh, yeah.
24:16I think he's alive.
24:21Maybe he knew beforehand where they were shooting.
24:24He could Google it.
24:25He could find out where it was.
24:27He wanted to know where it was.
24:28He wanted to know where it was.
24:30He could find out where it was.
24:31He wanted to fake a death, start over, start a new life.
24:36He couldn't have gotten lost if he just went down,
24:38because he's going to cross a road.
24:39But one of the thoughts is that somebody picked him up.
24:44The night before, a girl at the restaurant they went to
24:48gave him her number.
24:51And then the night he vanished, that girl and another girl
24:54show up to where he ran down the mountain.
24:57How did they know he disappeared?
25:01The Penman mine is way out there.
25:03And for him to plan something, he'd have to plan it really well.
25:08What I remember, he had like just a lightweight jacket.
25:11You know, when you're out in the elements,
25:12you need to be prepared a little bit.
25:14And I don't think he was prepared.
25:16And maybe you had a panic attack and you ran down for a little ways
25:20and you fell in a hole someplace.
25:21But you would have thought we would have found him by then.
25:23You know, it's no explanation.
25:27What I'm dealing with is like a cancer.
25:30So it's killing me, slowly.
25:32But I'm going to stay strong to find out the truth.
25:36I would like to ask anyone that know the truth
25:39or seen anything that happened to my son,
25:43don't be afraid.
25:44Please get in touch with the authorities.
25:47Let them know what you know.
25:50So that we can find the truth out and I can at least get closure.
25:57Do it hurt?
25:59Come on, man.
26:00It's killing me.
26:02But as long as there's things to remind me of him,
26:06he's always here.
26:08He's always here.
26:15We hear that dad loud and clear and we want to help him.
26:18And also welcome back, Payne Lindsey.
26:20Tell me your top thoughts on this.
26:22I mean, it's just so weird.
26:23There's too much he said, she said here.
26:26We're going off of eyewitness testimony,
26:28which is not always that reliable.
26:30It's notoriously unreliable.
26:32The father suspecting foul play.
26:34Hey, I don't blame him because what happened?
26:36It doesn't make sense.
26:37If he did run down this hill, why would he do that?
26:40What was he running from?
26:42That's the big question for me.
26:43There should be answers to those questions
26:45if we're trying to find a missing person.
26:47And I also think it's perspective.
26:48I've interviewed thousands of people.
26:50They've all been at the same crime scene
26:52and yet they all have different opinions on what they saw.
26:54They're not lying to me.
26:55They're trying to tell me the truth,
26:56but not all witnesses are created equal.
26:59That's true.
26:59All right, we'll get into a lot more of this coming up.
27:02What really happened to Terrence
27:05and how you can help find him?
27:07Stay close.
27:20Here's T.
27:21Hello.
27:22That's us together.
27:24He doesn't want to put his hair with mine, baby.
27:27Poison ivy.
27:28That's not poison ivy.
27:30Well, look, when we look at this,
27:31the dad says he allegedly disappeared,
27:34which might indicate foul play.
27:36What's your take?
27:37I mean, he ran into the woods.
27:39Who was in those woods at the time?
27:40We won't know.
27:41These are questions I would love to have answered.
27:43The idea of him running off of a cliff,
27:46everyone seeing him run,
27:48and then he vanishes without a trace.
27:50They have this slide mark down to a road and then nothing.
27:53So I think there's more questions
27:54than there are answers in this case.
27:56And it is a tough terrain.
27:58I didn't know about all the mine shafts
28:00and air vents and all of that.
28:01They were out there.
28:02They had canines out there eventually.
28:03They had horses out there.
28:04They had volunteers out there.
28:06They had a helicopter with thermal imaging.
28:08No sign of Terrence anywhere,
28:10which you go either way with it.
28:12He wasn't there or he's underground in a mine shaft.
28:15But I've seen these really deep mine shafts.
28:18They are no joke.
28:19You take one wrong step and you are gone forever
28:22in a hole in the earth.
28:24I don't live very far from the Appalachian Mountains.
28:26And there have been maps where you overlay missing persons
28:30with the cave systems in the Appalachian Mountains.
28:32And they seem to line up pretty closely.
28:34That leads me to believe more towards the mine shaft.
28:38So let me play devil's advocate for a second
28:39because the problem with this case,
28:41and I think the reason we're covering it,
28:42is you have the text message to his dad
28:44saying he was coming home early.
28:46Why?
28:46You also have trackers who went out there
28:48and allegedly they were able to follow something
28:51and it led to a road.
28:52And on that road, they said on the embankment,
28:54they saw slid marks that might belong to Terrence.
28:57So if that's true, what happened from there?
28:59Did he get picked up in a car?
29:00Did he continue traveling across it?
29:02We just don't know.
29:03We know there are no major highways in this area.
29:06But if he did get picked up by a car,
29:08he could be anywhere at this point in time.
29:10This doesn't seem like a young man
29:11who would leave the face of the earth
29:13without saying goodbye to dad.
29:15I agree with you.
29:16This right here is his last text message.
29:18It was sent at 8.44,
29:20the morning of the day he went missing.
29:22What's very strange about this
29:24is that he tells his dad,
29:25I'll be coming back on the 10th now.
29:28The shoot had several weeks left on it.
29:30This was sent on the 5th.
29:32Why is he planning on coming home early in the first place?
29:35What's the likelihood that no one on that set
29:38knew why he was coming home early?
29:40Trying to figure out ways to leave early
29:42tells me that he's not exactly happy on set.
29:44Yeah.
29:45I don't know.
29:46It is worth noting,
29:47Raw TV issued a statement in 2024.
29:50Here it is.
29:51Terrence was a popular figure at Raw.
29:53He was a well-liked and valued member
29:55of the production team
29:56and his disappearance greatly affected us all.
29:59We have the deepest sympathy
30:01for Terrence's family and friends.
30:02It is truly heartbreaking that he has not been found
30:06and we continue to hope that he will be.
30:08All of that is a quote from Raw TV
30:10and authorities have ruled out foul play.
30:13So the question now is,
30:14well, what more can they do, Derek?
30:17I think we need to go back to ground zero.
30:18Start again.
30:19I think about drones.
30:21Their capabilities are exponentially better.
30:23So we need to send a team back up there,
30:25make a map,
30:26start marking off mine shafts one by one,
30:29send those drones down to those deeper areas
30:31where maybe they couldn't get to in 2018
30:33because that might solve the problem.
30:34We might be able to find him a piece of clothing,
30:37a shoe,
30:37something to indicate that Terrence was there.
30:39That's where we need to start.
30:41I mean, where are my armchair detectives at?
30:43I'm talking about Reddit, the internet.
30:45I want people online,
30:47post pictures,
30:48do all your analysis,
30:50look at the maps.
30:51We've solved cases before online.
30:53Let's do it again.
30:54That's exactly how we brought Gabby home.
30:56Take a look at the picture,
30:58screenshot it, save it.
30:59This is a handsome young man
31:01that deserves all the attention
31:02that Gabby just got as well.
31:04We have to help the staff.
31:06It really does break my heart
31:07that he's had to do this for six years now.
31:11It's a constant type of pain
31:13that no one discusses.
31:14This is not something that's ever going to go away,
31:18ever.
31:19God bless you, Joe.
31:21Terrence's family needs all of us to help.
31:24Remember the number to call,
31:261-866-AMW-TIPS
31:29or go to our website right now,
31:31amwtips.com
31:33to help us help them.
31:35Coming up,
31:36we have exclusive surveillance footage
31:38from the last night
31:40a missing college student was ever seen.
31:43And we have reason to believe
31:45she is still alive.
31:46Stay with us.
31:59Welcome back to Missing Persons.
32:0222-year-old Savannah Hale
32:04has been missing since May of 2022.
32:08And we have exclusive surveillance video
32:11from the last time she was seen
32:13in Shreveport, Louisiana.
32:14Plus, a shocking discovery.
32:17Savannah's Cash app card
32:18was actually used years after her disappearance.
32:41I tried to call her,
32:45but I could not reach her.
32:48You know, it's not like Savannah to just disappear.
32:56Savannah was kind, smart, funny.
33:02She loved to sing.
33:11She meant everything to me.
33:13Still does.
33:13She still means everything to me.
33:17She was last seen with her boyfriend
33:19going out to a bar that evening.
33:22We know that Savannah and the boyfriend
33:24went downtown to go celebrate his birthday.
33:27Had a few drinks.
33:28Came back home between three and four.
33:31And boyfriend's story was
33:34they passed out, went to sleep.
33:35And then he woke up and she was not there.
33:38He says that he assumes that Savannah
33:41went through his phone and found something
33:42that she did not like.
33:43As far as him talking to his ex-girlfriend.
33:46And that might've been the reason why she left.
33:49He says that she gathered her clothing,
33:51toiletries, laptop, and left.
33:55At this time, there's no evidence indicating
33:57the boyfriend is involved in Savannah's disappearance.
34:046-0-8, there was a voicemail
34:07from Savannah to her sister
34:09that did not appear to leave any alarm.
34:12But she also sent a text message.
34:15The text message was at 6.42 a.m.
34:19Kirsten, I can't do it anymore.
34:21I can't do it.
34:22I love you so much and I'm sorry.
34:24I'm sorry, I can't do it.
34:26I'm so sorry.
34:29Sorry, I need a moment.
34:37Savannah has struggled with depression for a long time.
34:41She has gotten help.
34:42She was seeing a therapist weekly.
34:45That last month, she did not seem like she was suicidal.
34:49That's what the strange part was
34:51with Savannah taking a few of her belongings.
34:53Did she just go start a new life?
34:56The only thing that even indicates it being suicide
34:59is a text message.
35:01To me, the voicemail just kind of contradicts
35:03that text message.
35:04And they're only 30 minutes apart.
35:07Call me, I'll love you.
35:11On her Google Maps,
35:12you can see her driving path from that day.
35:16Her last cash out transaction was at the Chevron
35:20when she had called me.
35:21The last known location that we can pinpoint Savannah Hale
35:24was approximately seven o'clock in the morning
35:26when her vehicle was seen leaving
35:28the Louisiana Tower parking garage.
35:30Savannah has not been seen from or heard from
35:33since then.
35:34Almost as if she just vanished.
35:42Six months after she went missing,
35:44someone attempted to use her cash out card.
35:48Either somebody has access to her account
35:51or she in fact is still using that account.
35:54Savannah Hale's case,
35:56there are numerous possibilities as to what happened,
35:59whether it's suicide,
36:01whether it's starting a new life.
36:03All we can do is speculate.
36:06If there's anyone out there
36:08that does know anything or seen anything,
36:11I beg you, please, please share.
36:17We need her home.
36:18We're ready for her to come home.
36:24We have to help her find her sister.
36:26So can you pinpoint some areas of hope?
36:29Well, the cash app thing would be huge for me.
36:32I also think the fact
36:33that we're not only talking about a missing person,
36:35but a missing vehicle, a lot harder to hide.
36:38But I'm excited about this case.
36:39I think there's a real potential to solve it
36:41because I don't necessarily think
36:43it's gonna be law enforcement that solves this one.
36:45It's gonna be a concerned citizen
36:47who saw her vehicle or saw her
36:49and that's what's gonna get us back on the right path.
36:51Yeah, let's talk about the vehicle.
36:53So it's a 2012 Kia Forte.
36:56The license plate is 607DNH.
36:59It's missing a hubcap on the front driver's side.
37:02There is damage on the rear quarter panel
37:05on the driver's side.
37:07And then there is a weird metal bracket
37:09on the front fender.
37:10This is not a vehicle that's gonna be hard
37:12to distinguish from others.
37:13I see.
37:13But I'll tell you this,
37:14it's very difficult to hide a vehicle nowadays.
37:17There've been a lot of reports
37:18that it might be in a body of water.
37:20It's important to note that there's been
37:22large YouTube channels that have gone out,
37:24dive teams and searched those waters
37:26and have not found any trace of her.
37:28So we have to do more,
37:30but there have been attempts to find the vehicle
37:32in the water, nothing so far.
37:34So these receipts from Cash App Payne.
37:37Savannah had a Cash App card.
37:40Her sister found out that six months
37:42after she went missing,
37:43her card was used.
37:45It was declined, as you can see here.
37:47And her sister thought,
37:48hey, that's weird.
37:49My sister is missing.
37:51Why is someone using her card?
37:52So she was very smart
37:54and thought like a detective here.
37:56She funded this Cash App account.
37:58Just to see if they'd use it again.
37:59And sure enough, years later,
38:02someone uses the card
38:03and this time it goes through.
38:04This is a missing person's card.
38:07They're using it.
38:08The only way to get this Cash App card
38:11is from her vehicle or her body.
38:15I think more than likely,
38:17based on the size of the purchase,
38:18this might be someone who's down on their luck,
38:20looking for some food.
38:21I want to find that person
38:23because I want to ask them
38:25where they found the card.
38:26Exactly.
38:26That's the most important thing to me.
38:28We're looking at theories here.
38:30Let's take a look at the text.
38:32This is Savannah to her sister.
38:34Kirsten, I can't do it anymore.
38:36I can't do it.
38:37I love you so much and I'm sorry.
38:39I'm sorry I can't do it.
38:41I'm so sorry.
38:42But here's the problem though.
38:4330 minutes earlier,
38:44she sounds so jolly and happy on the phone.
38:47With our story, when it came to Gabby,
38:49one of the things that the FBI
38:51was able to figure out
38:52was that Gabby wasn't the one
38:54to write those text messages
38:55based on the vernacular that she used.
38:57Did she spell this way?
38:58Did she put the punctuations like this?
39:00Yeah.
39:00This is something that we should figure out
39:02because that's going to dictate
39:03whether or not this text message
39:04was even sent by her.
39:06Right.
39:06We do have exclusive surveillance video
39:10of the last night that we know
39:12that she was seen.
39:14She looks like she's having to
39:15hold herself up a little bit.
39:16She's not sturdy.
39:18My assessment, she's definitely had a couple of drinks.
39:20So you have intoxication, sleep deprivation,
39:23and now you're out driving around.
39:25What type of condition was she in later on?
39:27Especially at four o'clock in the morning,
39:29you're intoxicated, presumably.
39:32Two hours later, you're not going to be
39:33that much better if you need a table
39:36and a fence to lean on
39:37just to get down the block to your car.
39:39Let me be crystal clear here.
39:42We have alluded to the fact
39:43that Savannah was possibly drinking.
39:45That does not change the facts of the case.
39:48Savannah is missing.
39:49That's right.
39:50We are not laying any blame on her.
39:52Absolutely not.
39:53But what we are saying
39:54is that made her more at risk
39:57of being a vulnerable person.
39:59So if you saw Savannah,
40:00if you were in that bar,
40:02if something struck you as odd,
40:04listen to that intuition,
40:06reach out, share that information
40:07with law enforcement.
40:09This was an intense one.
40:11Please lean in and do what you can do.
40:13Help us find Savannah.
40:16The number to call 1-866-AMW-TIPS
40:19or go to our website amwtips.com.
40:25We've shown you three cases tonight
40:38that are as riveting as they are gut-wrenching.
40:41And yet, there's still hope.
40:43We also need your help with this urgent case.
40:47On the morning of June 26, 2021,
40:5027-year-old Raisha McQueen
40:52went out in her 2018 silver Nissan Sentra
40:54with her boyfriend Stanley Williams,
40:57seen here in this picture.
40:59Cameras catch the two in Raisha's car
41:01near Stanley's neighborhood.
41:02Notice there is no external damage to the vehicle.
41:07Four hours later,
41:08Raisha's car is back on the road.
41:10Look closely.
41:12Raisha is not in the car.
41:13A hubcap is missing.
41:15And there appears to be a bullet hole
41:16in the rear passenger door.
41:19Neither Raisha nor her car
41:21has been seen since.
41:23Raisha is 5'6", approximately 130 pounds,
41:27and has tattoos on her left upper arm.
41:31Despite suspicions of foul play,
41:33no charges have ever been filed.
41:35Stanley Williams, seen here in this picture,
41:38and his brother are considered
41:39persons of interest by police.
41:42If you know anything, please speak up.
41:44You can help bring Raisha home.
41:48Take a look once again at these faces
41:51and some of their unique traits.
41:53It's up to us to keep searching for them
41:55because we have good reason to believe
41:57they are still alive.
41:59Chelsea Grimm was last seen on September 30th, 2023
42:02in Arizona.
42:03She has light brown, blondish hair,
42:05blue eyes, and wears glasses.
42:07She also has a vine tattoo on her left arm.
42:11Terrence Woods Jr. vanished in 2018
42:15while working on a TV production in Idaho.
42:18He is about 5'9", 26 years old
42:21when he was last seen.
42:23And Savannah Hale has been missing since 2022.
42:26She's about 5'8", and has blond hair and blue eyes.
42:31Memorize these faces.
42:33Your tip could bring them home.
42:37We shine a spotlight on these cases
42:38because we know how powerful you are
42:41in helping us to solve them.
42:42I wanna thank this incredible team tonight,
42:45Joe and Kara especially,
42:46after all that you have been through in your families.
42:48God bless you.
42:50Remember, our mission is to bring loved ones home
42:53and it's just getting started.
42:55I'm Harris Faulkner.
42:56I thank you for being with us.
42:59Stay close.
43:00We'll make a difference together.