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The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 1 Episode 4

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00:00Ooh, girls trip.
00:02So cute.
00:11So I'm really excited because I've been planning
00:13a girls trip for my birthday.
00:15So we're going to stay in this really nice little penthouse
00:17and have a girls weekend away.
00:18Oh, I'm so excited.
00:22But since the baby blessing, there's
00:24a clear division, sinners versus saints,
00:27because Jen uninvited Jesse, Taylor, Layla, and Demi.
00:32I feel like we have this weird divide right now,
00:34like the sinners and the angels are at the baby blessing.
00:38So I'm really hoping that by the end of the trip,
00:41we will be one united group again.
00:43How's it going to be with seeing Taylor?
00:45It's going to be a boxing match.
00:47Ding, ding, ding, ding.
00:48Who's going to win?
00:49Well, she's pregnant.
00:49So you can't do that.
00:50Oh, yeah, I forgot she's pregnant.
00:52Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
00:53I forgot.
00:54And it's still me.
00:56We're getting our first, so I think
00:58we get first dibs on her.
00:58Yeah.
00:59Taylor, I feel like you're kind of quiet right now.
01:01I'm anxious, like very anxious.
01:03I'm going to pop my anxiety meds when we get there.
01:06Oh, you already did.
01:07If there's any, like, confrontation,
01:10like you're stuck with that person for the weekend,
01:12like, you can't just leave.
01:14It feels really good to be back with the girls.
01:17I have missed them.
01:18I've missed the friendship of mom talk.
01:21And I am really grateful that they've, like,
01:22given me, like, the second chance.
01:24But I am anxious about the girls' trip.
01:27I have some hard conversations I need to have with Whitney.
01:30I want to know why she didn't come to my baby shower
01:32and why there's this elephant in the room.
01:35I want to see where she's coming from,
01:36kind of understand why she feels these feelings towards me.
01:39Just know this, Taylor.
01:40If things get wild, I've got your back.
01:41Yeah.
01:42Oh, really?
01:43Yeah.
01:43That's sweet of you.
01:44I'm so mad at Whitney.
01:46First, the Fruity Cereal incident,
01:48then becoming the victim.
01:49Demi, I have a gift for you.
01:51Oh, god.
01:53So dumb.
01:54Tensions are high.
01:56I have a surprise coming later, so this weekend
01:58should be pretty interesting.
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02:22Bring it to your knees.
02:24Baby, you're gonna believe.
02:46We're here.
02:48Whoa!
02:49Cute.
02:51Very cute.
02:51Girls check.
02:52Follow me, ladies, to the penthouse suite.
02:56Welcome home, ladies.
02:58Whoo!
02:59It's perfect.
03:01Hi.
03:02My eyes hurt.
03:03I was, like, not expecting that.
03:05Lacey.
03:06Wait, this is so cute.
03:08Oh, cute.
03:09Guys, it's so nice.
03:12I gotta pop one of these.
03:14Just moms and snacks.
03:16You and Bradbury fight?
03:17We're actually currently in a little bit of a disagreement
03:21just over the whole Fruity Pebbles thing.
03:23Oh, no.
03:24Oh, shoot.
03:25Yeah.
03:26And he wasn't, like, a prude about it.
03:27He was like, I get it.
03:28I want you to be excited.
03:29I want you to be able to talk about these things.
03:30But I don't want to feel like I have to second-guess
03:32what I'm about to do in the bedroom.
03:33Yeah.
03:34So I was like, I get that.
03:35That doesn't make sense.
03:36And I do feel bad because I feel like I, like,
03:37betrayed him in a way.
03:38It's, I take full accountability that I'm the one
03:41that opened the can of worms.
03:43But it does bother me the way that Whitney went about that.
03:46It just felt a little tacky to me.
03:48Yeah.
03:49Yeah.
03:51Is Whitney level-headed enough to have
03:53that conversation with it?
03:54Like, how is that conversation going to go?
03:56I don't know.
03:57I don't know.
03:58She's got it coming.
03:59I feel like, well, maybe she should
04:00stop doing things then.
04:01Yeah.
04:02Whitney's been one of my really good friends
04:03for two years now.
04:05She likes to think that she's self-aware,
04:08but she doesn't take accountability
04:10a lot of the time.
04:11Even I would have been like, hey, sorry I didn't send
04:13you a message about not coming to your shower.
04:15Like, I don't know.
04:16It just seems like anything.
04:17Yeah, the fact that she can go about life
04:19and go about those situations just, like, unbothered,
04:22that makes me nervous.
04:24I'm honestly surprised to hear that other people
04:27have issues with Whitney.
04:28I thought I was maybe the only one
04:30on the outside of it with her.
04:32But we work together.
04:33We do lots of events together.
04:35I would like to be a good friend to her,
04:37and I'm really hoping that we can hash this out.
04:39Birthday girlie!
04:40Birthday girlie!
04:41Birthday!
04:42Birthday!
04:43Birthday!
04:44Birthday!
04:45Wait.
04:46I can't believe this has this many names.
04:47Shut the fuck up.
04:48Welcome to paradise.
04:49Oh, it's so cute.
04:50Wait, wait.
04:51Oh my gosh.
04:52Shut up.
04:53This.
04:54Oh!
04:55Oh!
04:56Oh!
04:57Oh!
04:58Oh!
04:59Oh!
05:00Oh!
05:01Oh!
05:02Oh!
05:03Oh!
05:04Oh!
05:05Oh!
05:06Oh!
05:07Oh!
05:08Oh!
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05:10Oh!
05:11Oh!
05:12Oh!
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05:14Oh!
05:15Oh!
05:16Oh!
05:17Oh!
05:18Oh!
05:19Oh!
05:20Oh my god!
05:21Oh!
05:22It's so cute!
05:23I got everyone matching sweat.
05:24Mom talk, shot!
05:25It's so cute!
05:26Whitney has come bearing gifts, matching sweat sets.
05:29It was so thoughtful of her, and I'm not going to lie.
05:32It's kind of refreshing to see this side of Whitney.
05:34Why don't we go in the Jacubi?
05:35It's so cute!
05:36Oh my god.
05:37Oh, my goodness.
05:39Oh, my goodness.
05:41It actually flipped.
05:43This is nice.
05:44This is so relaxing.
05:46Jen looks like she can't see.
05:48It's, like, all on your lashes.
05:50Should we get out?
05:51Yeah, let's go.
05:52I'm over it.
05:53Hey, no way.
05:54You know I won't forget you.
05:56Hey, I can't remember last time I had a shower,
05:59but you guys can see me.
06:01Oh, my goodness.
06:04I think my favorite thing about our group of women
06:06is that we all just like to have a good time,
06:08and we just have so much fun together.
06:11So is Zach with your kids?
06:13Mm-hmm.
06:14OK.
06:15How's he feeling about being alone with them?
06:18I think Jordan's freaking out.
06:19He's like, are any of the nannies available?
06:21I'm like, you'll be fine.
06:22Stop it.
06:23Yes.
06:24So he's not really the stay-at-home dad right now?
06:26No.
06:27I mean, he is.
06:28But I could never see him just being at home 24-7.
06:31Because, I mean, would Zach ever do that?
06:33No.
06:34We definitely still have, like, our tough days
06:36where, like, we just aren't on the same page.
06:38Yeah.
06:39In his head, I think he thinks, you know, after 15 years,
06:41he'll be the provider.
06:42So he's like, my job's more important
06:44because, like, I'm going to be providing for us for life.
06:47But he can't get there without you doing it now.
06:49Exactly.
06:50So that's where we like, that is so hard.
06:53I'm currently the breadwinner in my relationship.
06:56I'm providing for my kids, my husband,
07:00go to medical school.
07:01And I definitely think this is super hard for him.
07:03Coming from a traditional family.
07:05And they have good intentions.
07:06But it comes from a place sometimes of them
07:08telling you what you can and can't do.
07:10100%.
07:11And we're both strong women.
07:12And so I feel like we're like, no.
07:13Like, but then it causes an issue.
07:15For sure.
07:16The male typically being the sole provider within our religion
07:21makes our situation a little bit tricky.
07:25And so there's definitely a lot of tension
07:28in our relationship.
07:29I used to be the person that would just say yes
07:31to everything.
07:32And now I don't.
07:33You're finding your voice.
07:34Yes.
07:35And you know what?
07:36Like, I'm like, I'm proud of that.
07:37I'm like, shoot.
07:38You better be making a lot of money by then.
07:40I'm just kidding.
07:41Like, this better be worth it.
07:42I thought it was bullshit when Jen made this decision
07:44to uninvite us from the baby blessing.
07:46And I do think it was Zach behind that decision.
07:48Because I know Jen.
07:49She's very welcoming.
07:50And I think that Zach really put his foot down
07:52in this situation.
07:53But right now, she's opening up.
07:55And I'm feeling really optimistic about our friendship
07:57moving forward.
07:58By the time he's done with medical school,
08:00I'll probably be making more money than he'll ever make.
08:02No, literally.
08:03It's not funny.
08:04Like, you're like, my side gig actually provides for us.
08:07No, like, literally.
08:08What do you know?
08:09Like, literally.
08:10I'm having a moment.
08:12Let me shine.
08:14You need a moment.
08:16Before I get in line.
08:18We're working day and night.
08:20I don't know what I'm going to wear.
08:22What are you guys wearing?
08:23Well, I brought those to go with this dress.
08:25Oh, shiz.
08:27What?
08:28Not my garments.
08:30Oh, everyone, I have some information.
08:34The garment queen forgot her garment.
08:39I'm dead.
08:40Yeah, you know, the reason why I wear garments
08:43is when you go through the temple or when you get married
08:45and you've committed to this person
08:47and you've committed to God,
08:49wearing them is supposed to be, like,
08:51a constant reminder for you daily.
08:53Everyone, attention.
08:54Wait, you didn't pack any?
08:56She forgot.
08:57I tried them last minute.
08:59She forgot.
09:00Because she knew that they were going to get struck down.
09:02We're going to get struck down.
09:03A male chef coming tonight.
09:04So she will be wearing a low.
09:06She's like, ooh.
09:07Chef single?
09:08She has kids who are going to be way out tonight.
09:11It might be time to pump.
09:12Wait, did you bring underwear?
09:13No, I literally didn't bring anything.
09:15Like, you don't have a thing.
09:16I don't have anything.
09:17Can you door dash garments?
09:25Dinner.
09:27Hi, guys.
09:28Dinner.
09:29Did you do this all yourself, Macy?
09:31I made this, everyone.
09:33Who's saying the prayer?
09:34Do you guys want to say a prayer?
09:35Yes, absolutely.
09:36We have a meal.
09:37Jen, you want to say the prayer?
09:38Sure.
09:39Dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this day.
09:41We're so grateful for this time that we could spend together.
09:44And please bless this food.
09:46It will give us strength and strengthen our bodies
09:48and that we may have an amazing weekend.
09:52And I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
09:54Amen.
09:56Praise the Lord.
09:57Hallelujah.
10:00Whitney, are you drinking rose?
10:02It is.
10:05All right, are we doing a little cheers for Macy?
10:08To me?
10:10I'm happy because things look like they're going good so far,
10:13so I think we're all just hoping it stays that way.
10:15Okay, raise a toast for Macy.
10:18Macy!
10:19Cheers!
10:21Happy 21st!
10:25Happy 16th, Macy!
10:27Oh, my gosh.
10:28Should we go around and do an I love you because?
10:30Oh, I love that.
10:31Yeah, let's do it.
10:32I love Macy because I know I could tell her absolutely anything
10:36and she wouldn't judge me for it.
10:38Aw.
10:39She just gets my sense of humor.
10:41I feel like we're very, actually, we're not similar.
10:43We're actually quite opposite.
10:45But that's what makes it the best, you know?
10:48You are just genuinely yourself, and I think you're amazing.
10:52You're blunt.
10:53You just say how it is to people's face,
10:55and some people will call that bitchy.
10:59Okay.
11:00But I actually really like that.
11:02I love all of you.
11:03Thank you for being here.
11:04I'm glad we could all come together and feast.
11:07My favorite thing to do, which is to eat.
11:09Guys, I have something for you.
11:11I have a little activity.
11:12Oh, no.
11:13Yeah, okay, everyone.
11:14I brought a truth box.
11:17This is full 100% honesty tonight, okay?
11:21I'm hoping we are able to share if there is existing tension,
11:26that we're able to be honest and work through those things.
11:29No, I'm going to die.
11:31This sucks because this group of girls,
11:33even if this is meant to be lighthearted and good intentions,
11:36it's not going to be.
11:38This is so stupid.
11:40It's an anonymous truth box, really.
11:42If you really want to tell someone the truth,
11:44just go say it to their face.
11:46Demi's truth box,
11:48this is the worst idea I've ever heard in my entire life.
11:51So, in here I have cards that you're going to write a question on.
11:55And we don't know who said what, right?
11:58No, they're all anonymous.
11:59Leave them anonymous.
12:01So, I'm going to pass out the cards,
12:03write it down on the card,
12:04fold it in half,
12:05and then just put it back in the box.
12:07Okay, here we go.
12:09I'm really not wanting to do this.
12:15I personally am excited for it.
12:17I don't have much to release.
12:20Everyone just kind of knows my dirty laundry already.
12:22But I'm curious to hear other people's.
12:24Okay, is everyone done? Should we go change?
12:26Yeah, let's go change.
12:28Sweat suit.
12:29The whole intention of this truth box
12:31is to say the things that you want to say.
12:33And honestly, I want to clear the air with Whitney,
12:36hash out what we need to hash out,
12:38and move past this.
12:40So, who's getting the short straw?
12:42Who's going first?
12:43Saw my name.
12:44Layla, if you could sleep with one of your friend's husbands,
12:46who would it be and why?
12:58I'm not going to go take Brett from him.
13:00He wouldn't even give me a chance.
13:02Are you kidding me? Look at his fucking face.
13:05I would never.
13:06But theoretically, if you guys weren't together,
13:08I would climb him like a tree.
13:11I'd be mom's stepmom.
13:13Alright, next.
13:14Jen, which girl in this room would you go lesbian for?
13:18Prove it!
13:22Oh gosh.
13:24It's Kay.
13:27Kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss.
13:31I do.
13:38Whitney.
13:39Oh god.
13:40Every time someone's reading a part of my heart.
13:42Why don't you like Taylor?
13:43Are you just jealous of her clout?
13:48Oh god.
13:51Oh my god.
13:53Literally, in my mind I'm like,
13:54shit, shit, shit, shit, shit.
14:02I don't think I'm jealous of Taylor's clout.
14:05I think I was jealous of the forgiveness that Taylor got.
14:09During that time of her whole swinger drama.
14:12That I feel like I didn't get.
14:14Wait, forgiveness for what?
14:15Just like the RSV video.
14:24Two weeks after I had given birth,
14:26Connor took Liam to our pediatrician.
14:29The doctor is testing his oxygen levels.
14:31And the doctor's like, these are scarcely low.
14:34Like you need to take him to the hospital.
14:35You need to take him to the emergency room right now.
14:37So Connor rushes Liam to the emergency room.
14:41The first couple days were a bit scary.
14:43But then he was getting better.
14:46And so I'm thinking like, let's you know, do something fun.
14:51And I made a video.
14:57In that video, people felt that I was using my child's sickness
15:01for clout and for attention.
15:04Everyone was so quick to forgive Taylor online for swinging.
15:08And then I just feel like I still get shredded to pieces
15:11almost every single video.
15:13But no, I'm not jealous of Taylor's clout.
15:16And I feel like if I don't like her,
15:18I feel like that's a completely different conversation for a different time.
15:21Yeah.
15:22I am very confused because I'm like, girl,
15:25you have no idea the amount of bullying, threats,
15:29and comments that I have received on a daily basis up until today
15:34on how awful of a person I am.
15:36So I think I got way more trash than she has by far.
15:41It's so crazy to me that Whitney's not honest with Taylor
15:43about her feelings of jealousy because she is very open about it
15:46when Taylor's not around.
15:48And when asked straight to her face, Whitney lies about it.
15:50Come on, girl.
15:51The truth has got to come out sometime.
15:53Taylor, if you found out today that Dakota lied
15:55and actually slept with Jenna that night,
15:57would you leave him even though you were having his baby?
16:00100,000% would be dead to me.
16:05Wait, we need a little backstory.
16:07So we weren't like officially dating.
16:09He had originally slept with a girl,
16:11lied about it, ended up telling me the truth.
16:13He was like, okay, like, I'm so sorry.
16:15And I was like, it's good, we're not dating.
16:16And then he went off with another girl, which is Jenna.
16:19I asked him if like he slept with her and he said he only kissed her.
16:22He's like sworn on his life.
16:23Because I said, if that ever comes out that you guys did anything else,
16:26I will leave you in like a snap of the fingers.
16:28So I was like, so if you did, just come clear now.
16:31And he's like sworn on his life that he didn't.
16:33So even now, even though that was like...
16:35100%, it wouldn't even be a question.
16:36I'd leave in a heartbeat.
16:40Okay, next question.
16:41Demi, did you ever say that Jen is too Mormon?
16:47I've never said she's too Mormon.
16:50I have said that you bring it up in conversation a lot.
16:54Can't do that.
16:55Or like can't wear that because my garments are...
16:58It just brought up a lot.
17:00And to me...
17:01So that would stop you from hanging out with me?
17:03No.
17:04Being friends with me.
17:05No, no, no, no.
17:06Which is funny.
17:07You were giggling because you were the one that told her this, obviously.
17:09Yeah.
17:10Demi actually told me something about you.
17:12Recently?
17:13Yeah.
17:14Yeah.
17:15Something about being very Mormon.
17:18And you guys both agreed.
17:19So...
17:20Agreed.
17:21No, we did not.
17:22Yes, you did.
17:23Absolutely not.
17:24That's not a word.
17:25Well, we didn't, but I'll say that we did.
17:27Yes, you did.
17:28No, we did not.
17:29Ultimately, did I say that Jen is too Mormon?
17:33I did.
17:34And I stand by that.
17:36The question isn't what struck a nerve with me, necessarily.
17:40It was who I knew that information came from.
17:42We were shocked.
17:43We were like, really?
17:44We thought you were friends with Jen.
17:45I was friends with Jen.
17:46But then when I brought it up, you said,
17:48I totally understand where you're coming from.
17:50She can be that way.
17:51Did I say that, Macy?
17:52Did I say that?
17:53I don't remember.
17:54Talk to Jen.
17:55You guys work it out.
17:56I'll let her be aware of that.
17:57No, don't be that bitch.
17:58Don't say, I'm going to tell the story, then don't talk to me.
18:00No, we're right here.
18:01Okay.
18:02When I said, it's a little bit annoying how it's like,
18:04look at me, I'm so Mormon,
18:05and then you said, I totally get where you're coming from.
18:08She can be that way.
18:10This is so stupid.
18:11Please.
18:12Somebody come in this door and shoot me
18:14because I do not want to be here anymore.
18:17But what's so confusing to me is that
18:19you would rate yourself a 9 out of 10 on the Mormon scale,
18:22yet I'm too Mormon for you.
18:23It's not about being too Mormon.
18:25I don't go around saying,
18:26I'm hosting a BYU Mormon graduation.
18:29I'm wearing my garments for the 7,000th time.
18:31I'm solid in who I am,
18:33and I don't need to go around saying, I am Mormon.
18:35But I feel like often you will wear that as like a badge of honor,
18:38and to me, it's kind of gaggy.
18:40Okay, what's frustrating is that you didn't confront me first,
18:43and I feel like now you're like notorious for doing this
18:46for a lot of people, like calling Taylor white trash.
18:48When Whitney told me that Demi said I was too Mormon for her,
18:58she also told me that Demi called Taylor white trash.
19:02Demi called Taylor white trash.
19:05That's kind of harsh.
19:07That's really harsh.
19:08You don't just say that.
19:09I wouldn't even say that.
19:10I don't like Taylor.
19:11It seems like you keep doing this.
19:13What are you talking about?
19:14Wait, so when did you call me white trash?
19:17Let me explain where that was coming from.
19:19I had just gotten done explaining to the girls
19:21the night of the party that we came over.
19:24We were like super drunk, so I don't even know if you remember this.
19:26But you were like coming over, kissing Brett on the head,
19:28kissing me on the head, like, I love you guys,
19:30and like being touchy.
19:32Granted, I knew nothing that was going on.
19:34You started being super like flirty with Brett
19:36and like laughing with him and leaning over the couch,
19:38and I was like sitting there, and I was like, no.
19:411,000% Brett was there, I can confirm.
19:44You were leaning over the couch, and you were like,
19:46teeheehee, like laughing into him,
19:48and you were like talking directly to him
19:50while I was sitting right there on the couch.
19:52I was like watching you go from like husband to husband,
19:55flirty, whatever.
19:57Well, I was considered a swinger, so yeah, I'm in shock.
20:00But I didn't know that at the time.
20:01So from my perspective, I'm thinking,
20:03I got invited to a couple's party, and this is trashy.
20:06It's a complete shit show.
20:08In the shitter.
20:09The sewer does shit everywhere.
20:11Shit, shit, shit.
20:13Honestly.
20:14I love it.
20:16But it still doesn't make it acceptable to call it that.
20:18I'm not saying that.
20:19Shush.
20:20What I'm saying is that I had just.
20:22It's not shusher.
20:23No, no.
20:24I don't want to hear your judgment,
20:25because you haven't even listened to what I'm saying.
20:27And you weren't in the situation.
20:29In that moment when I had just told everyone what had happened,
20:32I feel like all those feelings came up,
20:33and I just get kind of loose-lipped,
20:34and I'm just like, honestly, yeah,
20:36a lot of what she does is trashy, and like, yeah,
20:38I'm not surprised.
20:39That is trashy.
20:40So what else is trashy that I do then, since a lot of it is?
20:42Well, I mean, the whole swinging thing was trashy.
20:44Sure.
20:45We got that down.
20:46What else?
20:47No, I know.
20:48That's what I'm saying.
20:49You're saying a lot of what I do.
20:50No, a lot of what we have seen, like your TikToks and like the.
20:53What TikToks?
20:54Just TikToks that were just super flippant
20:56about the swinging situation,
20:58and just like that whole era of your life.
21:00The white trash from Demi hurts me.
21:02Sure, I've done trashy things,
21:04but right now she knows it's something I'm trying to work through.
21:07I've been working through.
21:09And so for her to take that jab at me, oh, hell no.
21:11If you're going to take a jab at me,
21:13then I'm going to call out you for your stuff as well.
21:15Do you think it's trashy to take off your dress
21:17in front of my boyfriend?
21:19What?
21:20To put your mic on?
21:21What are you talking about?
21:22You made him extremely uncomfortable
21:23because you dropped your dress to get mic'd.
21:25No one else is here, right?
21:26Yes, come up.
21:28Oh, I'm sorry.
21:29In your bra?
21:30I have literally already had my bra out
21:32when he walked in to get mic'd.
21:33No, you dropped it.
21:34I watched you do it.
21:35What?
21:36Oh my gosh, what is happening right now?
21:38This is exactly what I was afraid of.
21:40I would rather give birth without an epidural
21:42than sit through this any longer.
21:44You had your dress full on,
21:45and you didn't need to drop it to get mic'd,
21:47and you took it off, and you were just in your bra.
21:49And Dakota felt so uncomfortable.
21:51The intention matters definitely in that moment.
21:54We were in a rushed situation to get the mic's on.
21:57I don't think it's trashy because I think...
21:59Really?
22:00You don't think it's trashy
22:01pulling off your dress in front of my boyfriend?
22:03No, especially because I did...
22:04Really?
22:05So if I did that to Brett, that's not trashy?
22:06No.
22:07Ticks in his face?
22:08Really?
22:09Dakota, ooh!
22:10I literally was turned like this and unbuttoned.
22:13If you're worried about that,
22:14that's a you and Dakota problem.
22:15I'm not worried.
22:16No, Dakota felt uncomfortable.
22:17He's like, her bra, her tits are right there.
22:20That's a him problem.
22:21It's uncomfortable.
22:22So if I go up to Brett
22:23and take off my dress in front of him,
22:25and he's looking,
22:26because he accidentally looked,
22:27because it's like right there,
22:28that's a him problem or a Maya problem?
22:30The situation matters.
22:32I'm not the freaking swinger here.
22:33I'm not the one that's going around
22:34trying to seduce other people's husbands.
22:37I'm not proud of any of these things.
22:39I want to put my past behind me,
22:41but I don't know if these women
22:43are ever going to be able to let go of my past.
22:52Don't you feel like this is a conversation
22:54you guys should have alone, maybe?
22:56No, we're in the middle of this.
22:57Like, I don't feel like you need to,
22:58you guys need to hash this out, obviously.
23:00Yeah.
23:01People are out for blood.
23:02They are out for me, specifically.
23:04None of you are standing here clean.
23:06And I'm getting pretty frustrated
23:08because Whitney was the one telling all this information.
23:11Whitney, who is your least favorite in the group, and why?
23:15Oh, God.
23:16Honestly, I feel like right now it's Demi.
23:21I just feel like anything that, any truth I say,
23:24you say, no, you agreed with me, you said this,
23:26and I'm like, but I didn't say that.
23:28I don't know.
23:29I just, it's Demi right now for me.
23:32Okay.
23:33Box is done. God bless.
23:35Amen.
23:36We made it through without ripping each other's heads off.
23:38I love that that was my idea,
23:39and I feel like I just got obliterated.
23:42That was a great idea.
23:43The intention was there, wasn't it?
23:46I don't know about the truth box.
23:48I think a better name for this game
23:49would have been, like, murder-suicide.
23:55It doesn't make any sense to me.
23:57I'm like, you're literally gaslighting everyone right now.
23:59You do realize that, right?
24:00I never said that.
24:01I never, ever said that.
24:02Yeah.
24:03I'm just kind of mad that you didn't stick up for me.
24:05Me?
24:06Yeah.
24:07With what?
24:08With her saying that?
24:09Because you were in the car with me,
24:10and you were like, I didn't hear.
24:11I was like, but you were in the car with me.
24:12I'm trying to remember what's going on.
24:13I don't even know what's going on.
24:14I know, but you would remember if I said that.
24:16But that's why I said, no, we didn't,
24:18when she first said that.
24:19Because I'm like, I know for a fact I didn't.
24:21I know, but when I was like, Macy,
24:23like, you were in the car with me.
24:25I don't think that it's fair
24:26that Whitney is saying I'm not supportive.
24:28All I do is support her.
24:30We are only, like, three hours into this trip,
24:33and I'm already like, I want to pack my bags and go home.
24:35Like, this isn't fun.
24:36Everyone's screaming at each other.
24:38She's like, no, you did say that.
24:39I'm like, can you just shut the fuck up?
24:41She's like, mm.
24:42Well, I'll back you up if you have the conversation again.
24:47I want you to know that I am not some phony person
24:50that, like, thinks ill of you,
24:52that is talking behind your back.
24:54It was a literal isolated moment,
24:56and I feel like I had that resentment built up from you
24:59regardless of, like, how I was feeling.
25:01Like, I should have addressed that with you
25:03so that it didn't fester, you know?
25:04Yeah.
25:05It was a low moment that came out in a petty way,
25:07and I apologize for that.
25:08It was not okay in any way.
25:10Yeah.
25:11Thank you for saying that.
25:12I just...
25:13I know we were supposed to have a room together,
25:15but I think I just kind of want to sleep alone.
25:18I get it.
25:19You take this room.
25:20You need to be comfortable.
25:21I'll go to the bunk beds.
25:22For real.
25:23You sure?
25:24Yes.
25:26Oh.
25:28Night-night.
25:29Night-night.
25:30Okay, good night.
25:32I regret using the words that I did
25:34in the flippant way that I did,
25:36and I do feel bad for that.
25:38I experienced hurt, and she did, too,
25:40but my intentions are pure, and they are good,
25:43and I'm really, really hopeful
25:44that we'll be able to move forward
25:46and be stronger in our friendship than we ever have.
25:49Everyone say their prayers, please.
25:53Can I switch sides with you really quick
25:55so I can use this curling iron?
25:57Yep.
25:58Let me move my whole bag, then.
26:00Oh, you're fine.
26:01It'll take two seconds.
26:02You guys, I'm here.
26:03I'm ready.
26:04The party's started now.
26:05Woo-hoo!
26:06This is the beginning.
26:07Okay.
26:08Oh, like dress, like a dress.
26:09And we all are doing it.
26:10So, like, you do a move, and then you walk.
26:12Yeah.
26:13Oh, that's cute.
26:14Okay, then you do the move.
26:15Last night, it was an hour and a half,
26:17and I was like,
26:19Last night, it was an absolute shitshow.
26:21I really hope that we can bounce back from this
26:23because, bitches, it's my birthday.
26:25Okay, ready?
26:26So we're done.
26:27I'm like...
26:38I love this one.
26:39Does everyone love this one?
26:40I love that one.
26:41It's so cute.
26:42It's so cute.
26:43It's so cute.
26:44It's so cute.
26:45It's so cute.
26:46It's so cute.
26:47I love all of it.
26:49I love all of it.
26:56We did it!
26:58I'm gonna go upstairs.
27:00Yeah, go get ready.
27:02No, I need you to come with me.
27:04Oh, see you later.
27:06Have fun.
27:08I will.
27:10Bye, guys.
27:12This morning is already uncomfortable
27:15Last night, there is animosity in the air
27:18but I think that Whitney and I definitely need to sit down and have a conversation
27:23and get to the bottom of it.
27:25I'm tired of feeling this, like, uncomfort with group settings.
27:27Where should we go?
27:29This is good. This is comfy.
27:31Are you stressed?
27:32Yeah, I'm scared.
27:33Why?
27:34I don't know. Don't punch me.
27:35I'm not gonna, like, come at you screaming.
27:37I can't come at you?
27:38No, I won't think screaming. Just... I don't know.
27:41So I know you have some feelings about me.
27:44I, like, that's no secret, obviously.
27:46You know, like, started with the baby showers when I truly, like, figured it out.
27:49But I feel like you're really good at telling people how you feel about them straight up.
27:53So I'm just curious, like, why I haven't been told.
27:56I mean, honestly, I didn't tell you because I didn't feel like I needed to.
27:59Because?
28:00Like, I just felt like I was fine with where we were at.
28:03I didn't feel like I wanted to explain it.
28:05I just felt like that was an intimate thing for you
28:07and that was for close friends and family
28:09and I don't feel like I'm your close friend.
28:12I'm confused on what I did.
28:14There's something that, like, sparked you to not like me
28:16and I just was curious what it was.
28:17Right after the swinger drama came out,
28:19I feel like I was, like, trying to cultivate a relationship with you.
28:22Okay.
28:23I was trying to be there for you or try and include you
28:25because I know you were ostracized from that group.
28:28Um...
28:31I don't know.
28:32I just felt like it hasn't been reciprocated.
28:35And I was like, well, I don't want to be friends with someone like that then.
28:37It's exhausting.
28:40There's probably girls down there that you're not besties with,
28:42but does it, like...
28:43I'm not besties with, but I've definitely had more of a connection with them.
28:47More than you.
28:48But I feel like I've tried.
28:50It's like, in the beginning, I was trying to have this connection with you
28:52and it was never reciprocated.
28:53I want to be asked, what happened with you and Connor?
28:55Like, are you okay?
28:56Like...
28:57I feel like I have.
28:59Her issue with Taylor is her issue with herself, honestly.
29:02Like, I think it's just that she feels like she's comparing herself to Taylor
29:06and isn't living up to what the hype that Taylor's getting.
29:09And so she's comparing.
29:10And why is she getting the attention?
29:12Why is the public forgiving her quicker than me?
29:15I feel like I'm slowly putting the pieces together of who the real Whitney is.
29:20And there are a few people in the group,
29:22specifically Macy and Jen,
29:25who haven't quite seen the puzzle pieces coming together.
29:30And I think it's only a matter of time before the whole facade is showcased.
29:34Would she say, like,
29:36I was frustrated that I keep getting shit for my RSV video
29:41and, like, people forgive you super quick?
29:43You have a vulnerable, sick child in your video.
29:45I understand that back then, like, TikTok was very different.
29:48It was like, you filmed everything
29:49and it was like, just throw everything out and see what sticks.
29:51Yeah.
29:52But looking back, I'm like...
29:53No, even that video, when she posted it, it caught me off guard.
29:56But also, that day, she said that Liam was, like, doing a lot better.
29:59So she was happy.
30:00So she was trying to make, like, a happy video.
30:02And, like, it just wasn't, like...
30:03What her intention was was not what was received.
30:06She's like, no, my intention was to get likes and clout.
30:11She admitted that to me.
30:13I've never heard her say that.
30:14It was after their ketamine session, I know.
30:16It was after our ketamine session.
30:17Whitney and I did ketamine about eight months ago,
30:20which is a therapy for physical trauma or emotional trauma.
30:24And coming out of ketamine, you are feeling things very deeply.
30:29Truths are coming out about yourself
30:31that you maybe wouldn't otherwise admit.
30:33And in that moment, she admitted to me
30:35that video that she posted was for sympathy, likes, clout,
30:39and for recognition and to gain her following.
30:42I think I even might have a video of her admitting that.
30:44You're like, I actually needed this for blackmail.
30:48In that moment, I just...
30:50I get it.
30:51I didn't want to hear anyone else's.
30:52I just wanted everyone there to be there for me, for just...
30:55I'm actually glad I got called out on that.
30:57Because now when I'm listening to people's stuff,
30:59I'm like, I want to relate,
31:00but I also just want to kind of validate their feelings first.
31:03Yeah.
31:04And then maybe relate, you know?
31:06But...
31:07Why is she being so nice?
31:10Yeah.
31:11We need someone unkind to go break it up.
31:15Whitney tends to dismiss your feelings
31:18or even gaslight you when you express
31:21that certain things happened and that you felt a certain way.
31:24She seems to flip the script
31:26and somehow become the victim of her own chaos.
31:29And I'm sick of it.
31:31This is exhausting.
31:39You pushed me a little bit too far, Whitney.
31:41I'm going to set the record straight at all costs.
31:45Like, I would love to be there for things you're excited about
31:48or you want, like, support there.
31:50But I feel like when I told you my whole Connery thing,
31:53I got zero.
31:55Nothing.
31:56Wait, zero from who?
31:57Everyone.
31:58I don't agree with that.
31:59I remember reaching out to you and being there for you.
32:02Honestly, I don't even know why she's here.
32:04I don't even know why she presented herself in this conversation.
32:07I don't know why she's here.
32:09I don't know why she's here.
32:11I don't even know why she presented herself in this conversation.
32:14I'm just like, what's your intentions?
32:16Let's talk about intention.
32:17What's your intention for being here in this conversation?
32:20I feel like Taylor doesn't care about me,
32:22and I don't want to be around someone like that.
32:24And it's as simple as that.
32:26I don't know how you expect me to work on this when I had no idea.
32:29Same with Demi.
32:30But I don't expect you to work from this.
32:32That's what I'm saying.
32:33No, through all this time.
32:34Just leave it as it is.
32:35Just leave it.
32:36The entire time I could have worked on it.
32:38I didn't care enough to say anything.
32:40You did to everyone else.
32:41You'll bring other people's stuff up to other people,
32:44like the Jen situation.
32:45Like, you'll take something that I said,
32:47that I, by the way, told you not to say anything,
32:49and you said, I swear on my life I won't say it.
32:51You're the one that did the truth box.
32:52I never, ever brought that up.
32:54I told Jen, and she can do with it whatever she wants to do with that.
32:58Yeah, but why did you feel the need to tell Jen?
33:00Like, I didn't go to Taylor being like, Whitney feels this way.
33:03She knew that. I don't know how.
33:04And if you did, I wouldn't care.
33:06Okay, but you're sitting here saying that you don't care to have the conversation,
33:09that you don't care to remedy these things,
33:11but then you're going to like shit on Taylor behind her back,
33:13and then you're going to come at me for something I said about Taylor.
33:15How am I shitting on her?
33:16Everything I've said about her, I just said to her face right now.
33:18Just now?
33:19But for the last two years, she hasn't heard a word of it.
33:21We're the ones hearing all of it.
33:22Does that bother you?
33:23Does that bother you that I didn't tell you?
33:24Yeah, it bothered me that you didn't come to my shower,
33:26just tell me like, hey, I don't want to be friends with you.
33:28Like, I thought we were friends.
33:29So when you didn't show up, I was like, it was a big deal.
33:33Well, I don't regret anything.
33:34I'm glad I told Jen.
33:35I don't think that was wrong.
33:40And then I guess don't be my friend.
33:42Okay, I don't want to be your friend.
33:44If that's the way you're going to be, that's not a friend.
33:46Did you not just call Taylor white trash?
33:48Were you planning on dressing that to Taylor?
33:50Noah, was that your place to say?
33:52It wasn't.
33:53And you don't care.
33:54You don't give a shit.
33:55I wish I could say I'm surprised by Whitney's behavior right now,
33:58but I'm absolutely not.
34:00She needs to own it, apologize, work on it, and move forward.
34:03It's, again, one of these things where she wants to become the victim of her own behavior.
34:09You're hurt, and that's okay.
34:10I've been there.
34:11What, you don't want to give a fuck?
34:12But you're hurt from, like, you're hurt in life.
34:14And so you're going to take it out on everyone?
34:16I don't get that.
34:17I get it.
34:18I don't want to talk about it.
34:19She's hurt you.
34:20I've never hurt Whitney, ever.
34:21Well, I have.
34:22But I get, like, where...
34:23And then runs away.
34:24So I guess I'm right.
34:26I guess I'm right.
34:27Comical.
34:36Where'd she go?
34:38In there.
34:39You're going to, like, dish it, be able to take it then?
34:42Me?
34:43You okay?
34:44The gloves are off, baby.
34:46War has just begun, and you better sleep with one eye open.
34:50I hate the shit of you can dish it, but you can't take it.
34:53That's the shit.
34:54I do not stand behind.
34:55Be a woman, you little twat.
34:56What's going on?
34:58I couldn't hear everything.
34:59What's wrong?
35:04She thinks it's her place to tell everyone other people's shit.
35:06Yeah.
35:07Are you okay?
35:08When has that ever been a thing?
35:10And then as we're having a heated conversation,
35:12gets up, cries, and leaves.
35:15The way that Whitney talks and changes her persona
35:18in the moment of, like...
35:20I didn't know.
35:21Yeah.
35:22Well, she was being a little, like...
35:24Be yourself.
35:25Yeah, because it's so different to us and then to her.
35:28No.
35:29It's like, you want to talk about fake and behind people's back?
35:31Yeah.
35:32Whitney, you scare me.
35:33I feel like such a pussy right now.
35:35Why?
35:36Oh, my God.
35:37No.
35:38Why?
35:39You're her, and you need space,
35:41and that's, like, totally valid.
35:44How does it feel, Whitney?
35:45I literally want to go ask her.
35:46How does it feel?
35:47When I try to talk to you about it upstairs,
35:49you're just like, and I do it again, and I do it again.
35:51You're a bitch.
35:52No, I'm stronger than this.
35:54You are strong.
35:55I'm stupid.
35:56Just because you're crying doesn't mean you're not strong.
35:58It's better to walk away
35:59than to say things that you don't actually mean.
36:01So you did the strong thing by walking away.
36:05Let's make this a group affair, guys.
36:07No.
36:09Jesus.
36:10Continue telling the people everything about anyone and everyone else.
36:13Demi, can you just get out of the room, please?
36:15No, I won't.
36:16No, because you're talking about me, so no, I won't.
36:17Demi, she needs some space right now.
36:19No, I don't care.
36:20Why was she last night when she shit on me
36:22when I was literally getting attacked by everyone?
36:24Where was she?
36:25What was she doing?
36:26You need to just respect that.
36:27What the fuck are you talking about, Jen?
36:29Shut up.
36:30Guys, we're both going at each other.
36:31So why are you being so rude now?
36:33You're being a bitch.
36:34No, I'm not.
36:35You are.
36:36No, I'm not.
36:37Because I have two people right here sitting beside Whitney
36:40when last night was probably the most heightened experience
36:44we've experienced in this whole journey,
36:46and no one said shit except for Taylor,
36:49who we had the blow-up.
36:51Then we have a freaking minion fest over here.
36:53Minion fest?
36:54Chihuahua fest?
36:56Of two little puppies sitting next to Whitney
36:58being like, back off, she's unstable.
37:01You raising your voice isn't helping the situation.
37:03I mean, I'm not sitting here screaming.
37:05I'm sitting here saying...
37:06The way you're talking right now...
37:07I have a right to be upset.
37:08I'm frustrated.
37:09I'm confused at where Whitney stands,
37:11and I thought we were friends,
37:12and that's not what a friend would do.
37:14I feel like you don't even care about mom talk
37:15outside of posting.
37:16Just because I told Jen what you said.
37:18You go around the whole group telling everyone's everything.
37:21I didn't say the white trash thing.
37:22Okay, does anyone else want to chime in?
37:24How Whitney will hear information,
37:26and she gets close to certain people,
37:28and we kind of felt like it's a rotating door.
37:31And it kind of feels like there's different people
37:33that get to be close to Whitney.
37:35When she says stuff about Taylor,
37:36it's really mean behind Taylor's back,
37:37and then when it's face to face, she's like,
37:39oh yeah, I get it,
37:40and I just don't think it's fair that you can act that way,
37:43and it's okay when it's not okay for me to do.
37:46Like, that just doesn't make sense to me.
37:47I feel like Whitney gets close to you
37:49until she gets what she wants,
37:50and then she just moves on.
37:51That's just my opinion.
37:52And that's why I just wanted to sit you down,
37:54so you can express all of it,
37:55so I know with you,
37:56like, I know you're saying you're not caring,
37:58but I find that hard to believe I think you want to.
38:00I think I just hurt you really bad.
38:02Maybe I can't be your best friend right now,
38:04but I could still here and there be a friend to you.
38:06Yeah.
38:07I don't even know what's right and what's wrong anymore.
38:10I thought that I was doing the right thing,
38:12telling Jen,
38:14this is to amuse feelings towards you.
38:16It's a bit two-faced,
38:17because then she's acting like your friend,
38:19surface level, but then going behind your back.
38:21I don't know.
38:22Ugh, I don't know.
38:23It's confusing.
38:24I don't know what was right,
38:25and I don't know what was wrong.
38:27Anything else from anyone?
38:28This is your time.
38:29Well, now that I'm here.
38:30Let it out.
38:31This is your time.
38:32I have something to say.
38:33Weren't we supposed to go to dinner at 6?
38:35Oh, shit.
38:36Can we go?
38:37Yeah, we have to go.
38:38Okay.
38:39Interesting going to a happy little dinner together.
38:41Mm-hmm.
38:42They're coming at us with
38:45cursed tongues made of grit.
38:48They're all looking for a fight.
38:52You okay?
38:53I still feel like I'm gonna puke.
38:55It's okay.
38:56It's okay.
38:57That's okay.
38:59It's okay to feel that way.
39:01I think Taylor was right, though,
39:02and she said that, like,
39:03you act like you don't care, but you do.
39:05I know.
39:06But I don't want to care.
39:07I know you don't want to care,
39:08but that's what makes you beautiful
39:10and amazing is that you do care.
39:12So what I thought was gonna be an empowering weekend
39:15is now all in shambles.
39:17I don't like confrontation when it's in my friend group,
39:20and at this point, Mom Talk was already hanging by a thread
39:23before this trip, and now we're having this happen.
39:25I just, like, don't want to be anyone's friend.
39:27No.
39:28Why?
39:29Because of what Jesse said.
39:31Like what?
39:32Then I get close to people,
39:33and then once I get what I want out of them,
39:35then I move on.
39:36I'm like, what the actual fuck?
39:39Whitney's my best friend,
39:40but I do think Whitney has an interesting way
39:42of handling things.
39:43I definitely wouldn't have handled things
39:44the way she has,
39:45and I think she kind of just, like,
39:47leaves when things get hard
39:48instead of trying to really figure them out,
39:50and at the same time, I do think it's one of those things
39:52where we have to do some more work
39:54to figure out what's going on
39:55and not just run away from it.
39:57Happy birthday.
40:20Did we bring Macy's presents?
40:22Probably should have.
40:24You're like, I'm good because I didn't bring one.
40:27Yeah, I think that's them.
40:28Don't slip anybody, Taylor.
40:29Protect the belly if you fall.
40:31Especially in heels.
40:32Jen knows what she's doing.
40:34It's the worst.
40:35This is so cute.
40:40Great.
40:41Okay, birthday girl,
40:42you have to wear this the whole dinner.
40:44Ooh, okay.
40:47Beautiful.
40:48Okay, you can adjust that.
40:5129, baby.
40:53Feeling fine.
40:54JK, 21.
40:5521!
40:56I'm honestly exhausted at this point.
40:58Like, I'm so pregnant.
41:00I feel bad for Macy
41:01because her birthday is being ruined.
41:03I think there are times
41:04where you should just, like,
41:06kind of suck it up for other people,
41:08so I think in this situation for Macy's dinner,
41:11everyone just shutting up,
41:12and let's enjoy the night for Macy.
41:15Rub some dirt on it,
41:16and we can cry when we get home.
41:18You're taking pictures, Layla.
41:20Oh, you are.
41:21They have a pizza appetizer.
41:23Dang it.
41:24That sounds really good.
41:25A vibe, really.
41:26But I didn't want to share it with the table.
41:28I wanted it to be my meal.
41:29What did you want to take, too?
41:31It's a bit lonely when you feel like...
41:35all of the friends that I thought I had,
41:37I guess they're not really my friends.
41:39I'm looking at Demi, and I'm just like,
41:41you're just, you look like you're
41:43on fucking cloud nine right now.
41:46I have to pee real fast.
41:51Everyone is acting like everything's fine.
41:55It's sad.
42:01I was stronger than that.
42:02I can't even sit there.
42:03You can't?
42:04No, I'll be fine.
42:05I'm just going to pretend like I'm going to the bathroom.
42:07Okay.
42:08I think I just need to cry for a second.
42:09I know. Okay, go ahead.
42:10I'm going to cry, and then I'll be okay.
42:12You'll be okay?
42:13Yeah.
42:14Do you need anything?
42:15No, I'm okay.
42:20Did she talk at all on the way here?
42:22Yeah, she's like...
42:24What'd she say?
42:25I think she feels bad, too,
42:27about things that she said and stuff, too.
42:29Yeah, I get it. Trust me.
42:31Literally me last night.
42:32I feel like she kind of needs to feel the sting
42:35of what her actions can bring to people
42:38so that she understands what that feels like,
42:40because it doesn't feel good.
42:41Like, that's below-the-belt stuff.
42:43So it's like, Whitney,
42:44that's exactly what we're talking about.
42:46It doesn't feel good.
42:47Does it feel good?
42:48Okay, I hope you don't do that moving forward.
42:51You want to do it, and I'll hold it?
42:53Okay, I can do it. I can do it.
42:58Happy birthday to you!
43:04Happy birthday, dear Macy!
43:10Oh, my God!
43:11I know when I'm fucking in the wrong.
43:13I was fucking not wrong.
43:15Happy birthday to you!
43:21If this is what mom talk has turned into,
43:24I don't want to do this anymore.
43:25I don't even know if these friendships
43:27are worth fighting for.
43:28Oh, my God!
43:29Yeah!
43:30I think you'll do it.
43:33Whoo!
43:34Be the last one, guys!
43:36My husband is going to kill me.
43:39This is my lucky poker sweatshirt.
43:41He said you're playing poker.
43:42I don't know that being in Sin City
43:45is the best thing for Zach.
43:49Get into it!
43:51Like, I haven't done anything wrong.
43:53No.
43:54Could you brainwash?
43:55Missing person alert.
43:56He's out of control.
43:57This is why the sisterhood of mom talk
43:59was created in the first place.
44:01She's M.I.A.
44:02She's not answering her phone.
44:03I mean, maybe I watched too much true crime.
44:07Oh, my gosh!
44:08What's all the hot gossip?
44:10She unfollowed all of us.
44:11No!
44:12Do you still consider them friends?
44:14Should I invite Whitney?
44:17Oh, awkward.
44:18Mom talk's not what it was,
44:19and I don't know if it ever will be again.
44:21And why are you here?
44:22The one time I need support,
44:24you're not there for me.
44:25No.
44:26This is an act, and I'm over it.
44:28This is exhausting.
44:30Cool.
44:31Did you hang up on him?
44:32Yeah.
44:33Should I say something to her?
44:35You're trying to stir the pot between you and Taylor.
44:38I don't like him.
44:39Everyone's getting married
44:40before their brains even develop.
44:42I did not invite him.
44:43This is her women.
44:44Talk to me all week.
44:45Lie to me.
44:46If you look at it that way, Taylor, yes.
44:49Yeah.
44:50My gosh, aren't you miserable?
44:51Yeah.
44:52It's not gonna get better.
44:53He's not gonna change.
44:54You're gonna lose everything.
44:56I don't care.