00:00Hello and welcome. You are watching this special broadcast on OneIndia. My name is Pankaj Mishra.
00:24As the clock ticks away, India is inching towards yet another decisive decision, be it diplomatic, be it strategic or military.
00:35And as we speak, a lot is going on. The stopping of the Indus water, the revocation of the diplomatic visas and cancellation of visas of the Pakistani nationals in India.
00:48Today, to discuss the matters further, to discuss the merits of the steps, we are joined by Mr. Ashok Kumar. He is the former DGP of Uttarakhand.
00:58Mr. Kumar, thank you so much for speaking to OneIndia.
01:00Thank you, Pankaj.
01:02Thank you, sir.
01:05Since you have a very deep policing experience, especially in insurgency-hit regions,
01:15how crucial is the role of local support in facilitating such targeted terror attacks like the one we saw in Pahalgam?
01:25See, local support is always important.
01:29Local support is always important because when you have to do work on ground, when you have to operate on ground,
01:37whether it be security forces or it be terrorist side,
01:40you need to do reiki of the local area so that you know how to enter and how to exit and where to stay, etc.
01:51Therefore, local support is always critical or crucial, you can say.
01:55And certainly there has to be some local element.
01:59Because you have to operate in an area, how will you approach that area?
02:03You have to do detailed reiki.
02:06Detailed reiki also, then local people only know where are the police points, where are the military points,
02:11where are other things, where are CCTV cameras, all these things so that you don't come into this thing.
02:17And similarly, when you exit, after the incident, you have to exit also.
02:23Otherwise, you will fall into an encounter with security forces.
02:28So, for all these elements, the local people will always be a big help.
02:32Right.
02:33So, that's why you have to do a wrong opinion in Kashmir, which is a bad opinion in Kashmir.
02:48One more thing, Mr. Kumar, you have to do a lot of opinion in Kashmir.
02:53You have to do a lot of opinion in Kashmir, which is a bad opinion in Kashmir.
03:23Negative element, trustee, is a bad opinion in Kashmir.
03:26So, radicalized.
03:28So, that's why we have to do a lot of opinion in Kashmir.
03:31I understand.
03:32Absolutely.
03:32So, sir, I have to ask you, my second question is, what do you say, in your experience,
03:37on your experience, that our internal security apparatus, which is today's, are we equipped enough
03:45to actually preempt such high casualty attacks with intelligence inputs?
03:50What are we currently in this situation?
03:52The internal security arrangement, certainly, in the past 10 years, was very strong.
03:58Now, talk about nationalism.
03:59It was in 2010, when the Prime Minister said that it was the biggest internal security
04:05problem.
04:06Yes, absolutely.
04:06But, you know, it's one-tenth, you know, it's one-tenth, you know, it's one-tenth
04:08point.
04:09Almost, it's been termed in Kashmir.
04:11Yes.
04:12So, it's been the first-tenth, you know, the first-tenth, you know, the first-tenth,
04:25If you kill a man, someone is attacked, when he kills a man, he is a bad battle.
04:31So, if you try to kill a man from 100% or control it will be easy.
04:39When he gets to kill a man, so he can kill a man from his body.
04:46foreign
04:58foreign
05:07foreign
05:16No, no, no, no, no, no.
05:46Got it.
05:51It is not so easy.
05:53And maybe this way, very honestly and very candidly, the government has also said that
05:59you can say it or say it as a human, that you can say it in every place, and as you
06:05said, it is understood.
06:06Sir, we heard him giving clear warning both in English and Hindi, not just to the Pakistani
06:15handlers and the terrorists, but also to the world.
06:17The message was loud and clear, that we will change and take an unimaginable skill.
06:22In this, what a treaty is closed, has diplomatic expulsions.
06:28In all these concerns, sir, you think that this will give long-term impact on Pakistan-sponsored
06:34terrorism, and dismantle that infrastructure, or the people who say that we need a decisive
06:43attack, what do you need to do, what do you need to do, what do you need to do?
06:47Yeah.
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07:06Yeah.
07:07depending on
07:11Hey,
07:12Oh,
07:12Hey
07:12Yeah.
07:15ın
07:16I don't know what I'm going to do I'm going to do it I'm going to do it I'm going to do it
07:31India stand on the day.
07:35We have the first stand on the day.
07:37We have the first stand on the day.
07:39If the truth is done, we can do it.
07:43We can make everything.
07:45We have not made all of this.
07:48We have suspended the last step.
07:50This is a strong signal, strong message.
07:52We are in Pakistan now.
07:54We have to raise the international hue and cry.
07:57But in the white language.
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09:33We are ready to take hard steps.
09:35so that the trial
09:37doesn't look like
09:38others have a deterrence
09:40I have one last question
09:43I know that you have a very strong question
09:45this question
09:46before my mind
09:48this question comes out
09:50that we can see this aspect
09:51we can see this aspect
09:53or we can see it
09:56that we can see it
09:56that we can see it
09:57that there were some
09:59eyewitnesses who lost their love
10:02once they said that
10:03their families
10:05were identified as Hindus
10:07and then they were killed
10:09this is a targeted nature of attack
10:11singling out Hindus
10:13you think that the 1990s
10:16the trauma of Kashmir Pandit
10:18was that attempt to go back
10:19and this is the ideological extremism
10:23is that
10:24if Bhairat is to fight
10:25and fight for it
10:28political, policy-wise
10:31strategy can be done
10:33look, it doesn't look like
10:35this is clear
10:36this is a 100% targeted attack
10:38which is the IACI
10:40is the motor
10:42to bleed India through 1000 cuts
10:44IACI
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10:50and the
10:51country
10:51and the
10:52country
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10:54peaceful
10:55and the
10:56and the
10:57and the
10:58and the
10:59and the
11:00and the
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11:01kashmir peaceful or kashmir disturbed, which all the country is divided, even the communalism
11:09is divided, because the country is divided, this is a clear-cut message, no doubt. It's
11:18a targeted killing, which is planned, which the country is divided, the message internationally
11:25and the country is divided.
11:55I think that Pakistan is a time when Osama bin Ladal went to America's open, that Pakistan
12:05was a big number one country.
12:08So, they hit sanctions.
12:11They hit the storm.
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