00:00Mr. Salim Javed, 6-8 weeks before the release of the film,
00:05he wrote in the film information,
00:08that we have nothing in Kranti.
00:10Whatever has been done, has been done by Mr. Manoj Kumar.
00:13I even called him jokingly.
00:15If I have done it, then return the payment that I have made.
00:19Mr. Jaleel is so great for me that I don't call him by any name.
00:24I call him Haji in the language of a frontier.
00:28My wife is my biggest critic.
00:31She says that the good thing is good,
00:33but she catches the bad thing and kills it.
00:37Where did those words go?
00:39Where did those compliments go?
00:41Where did those tunes go,
00:43which used to shake the strings of the heart?
00:46Hai, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha.
00:51When I was researching and writing the film,
00:57Kanuji Angre, who is known as the first naval admiral,
01:06used to stop the British ships in the sea,
01:18used to snatch their ammunition,
01:21used to kill them.
01:24So there was a lot of this character.
01:27Then I thought that in our country,
01:31there were kings, emperors, Nawabs.
01:35This mass movement, how did all the people wake up?
01:41If the people woke up, it would have been a farmer.
01:45Because our country belongs to the farmers.
01:47The kings and emperors fought some,
01:49some surrendered.
01:55So I was making a film, Naya Bharat.
01:59So I had to make it quickly.
02:01Indira ji had asked me to make the film in an emergency.
02:04So I signed with Salim Javed.
02:07I told him to write the story on the screen,
02:09and I would write the dialogue.
02:11So during that time, our association and friendship grew a lot.
02:14I have known Salim since 1958.
02:17He is not just someone I know,
02:20or someone who is related to my profession,
02:25he is not just a close friend of mine,
02:28he is more than a brother to me.
02:34So then in an emergency,
02:39whatever I had to say,
02:42whatever I had to listen to,
02:44whatever I had to read,
02:46whatever bad things happened,
02:48that film got dropped.
02:51So I said, this is it.
02:55So, okay, we would sit.
03:00Then I would write the scene,
03:06or I would tell Salim on the phone,
03:10or I would go to Javed's house and tell him.
03:15But I was so emotionally close to him,
03:23that I named him after him.
03:27Although,
03:31Salim Javed worked very clearly,
03:38that 6-8 weeks before the release of the film,
03:42he wrote in the film information,
03:46that we have nothing in Kranti,
03:49whatever has been done,
03:50has been done by Mr. Manoj Kumar.
03:53I even called him jokingly.
03:55If I have done it,
03:56then return the payment that I have made.
04:00Anyway,
04:01when the idea of the story came up,
04:04I called Mr. Duleep.
04:06Mr. Duleep is so great for me,
04:08that I don't call him by any name.
04:11I am a language of the frontier,
04:13I call him yes.
04:15I said, yes.
04:17He said, tell me, Dr.
04:19I said, this is a very bogus story,
04:22a very bogus role,
04:23and I think you are very fit for it.
04:26He started laughing.
04:27He said, let's do it.
04:29I said, anyway,
04:30I keep talking to you on the telephone,
04:33but I will not call for this work.
04:35He said, don't do it.
04:37When the idea of the story came up,
04:40that the story starts from here,
04:42it happens here,
04:43and the end is like this.
04:45I told him,
04:46and he said, come tomorrow.
04:49I reached at 5 o'clock.
04:50We were sitting on the terrace.
04:52We were drinking tea.
04:54How are you?
04:56How is Shashi?
04:58How are the children?
04:59How is your father?
05:01We had a very deep relationship.
05:07He said, man,
05:09it is difficult today.
05:11His elder brother,
05:13Mr. Noor,
05:14he said,
05:15Noor Lala is very unwell.
05:17He is in the hospital.
05:19It will take three hours for the story.
05:22I said,
05:23I am a child in front of him,
05:26and I behave like a child.
05:29I said,
05:30Mr. Noor,
05:32the story that takes three hours to narrate,
05:35is not a story.
05:36A story is one that can be narrated in two to three minutes.
05:42Did you understand?
05:44Did you hear?
05:47Not two to three minutes,
05:49it must have taken five, seven, ten minutes.
05:52After listening, he kept looking at me.
05:56He said,
05:58the land is good.
06:01The land is very good.
06:03I said,
06:04if we manage it,
06:06the farming will also be good.
06:09I have worked with him in a film,
06:12Aadmi,
06:13that people bother him.
06:15He didn't bother me.
06:17He used to come at 11.15 or 11.00.
06:21And even if there was no work,
06:23he never complained,
06:25being such a senior,
06:27such a great artist,
06:29that today I have to work,
06:31I have to work.
06:33I have to work.
06:35Being such a senior, such a great artist,
06:38that today I have to work,
06:40I have to work.
06:41Never.
06:44That's it.
06:45The film was made with love.
06:48Sir, you have worked with Hema Mally
06:50in three films,
06:51Dastambari Ki Pran,
06:52Sanyasi Ki Pran.
06:53What was your experience working with her?
06:58Hema is a very good person.
07:05I have seen her relationship
07:08with her father,
07:12with her mother,
07:15with her aunty,
07:17with her brothers,
07:19and also with fellow artists.
07:23She is very committed.
07:26And this is God's gift to her.
07:29Perhaps,
07:30the education she received
07:32from her childhood,
07:34that switch off, switch on.
07:36From one shooting to another,
07:38which I could never do.
07:40I didn't do a double shift.
07:42I only did a double shift for two days.
07:44There was a problem with Hema Ji,
07:46that there were cuts in a film's censor.
07:50And,
07:52I think,
07:54she has worked in countless good
07:58and hit films.
08:00I don't think any producer
08:02has any complaint
08:04that Hema Ji has harassed her.
08:08And,
08:11whatever she is doing in the future,
08:14she is doing well in politics as well.
08:18Her family life is also good.
08:22Sir, your wife,
08:23you have helped her in some films.
08:26Absolutely, absolutely.
08:29My wife is my biggest critic.
08:33She says,
08:34good things are good,
08:36but she catches hold of bad things.
08:40Which,
08:42if I get a little bit of success,
08:46it is in her hands.
08:50Otherwise, wives keep praising,
08:52that this is my husband,
08:54this is my husband.
08:55No, she says,
08:56why this,
08:57why this,
08:58this shot is boring.
09:00I say,
09:01no,
09:02understand a little,
09:03if there is background music in this,
09:05it will be fine.
09:07Sometimes,
09:08she is right,
09:09sometimes she is wrong.
09:11But,
09:13in her
09:16suggestions,
09:18there is no selfishness.
09:21Whatever she says,
09:22she says it for my own good.
09:27Sir,
09:28what difference do you see
09:30between today's background music
09:32and earlier music?
09:35The difference between
09:37earlier music and today's music
09:39is the same.
09:44That,
09:47where did the words go?
09:50Where did the songs go?
09:52Where did the melodies go?
09:54Where did the heartbeats go?
09:57The heartbeats.
10:04Yes,
10:05some good songs came in between.
10:12The melody,
10:13in which,
10:15music is
10:16a combination of thoughts and music.
10:19In which,
10:20thoughts and music
10:22will be there,
10:23and music will touch.
10:24Yes.
10:25Today,
10:26I will say something
10:29that the sale of music
10:30is not happening anymore.
10:32The recording of music
10:33has become very expensive.
10:35Promoting music
10:36has become very expensive.
10:41The more we spend on it,
10:43the more it does not come back.
10:45But,
10:46it is important that
10:47if the music is good,
10:49then it makes the film
10:51double.
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