US essential to NATO

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00:00OK, Rob, let me pick up on that with you.

00:02No big deal, or would you say that the transatlantic alliance

00:06has been upended?

00:09Well, I'd like to go midway between it.

00:13I think it's slightly more than no big deal.

00:15It's an indicator of the way things are going.

00:20Things are moving quite fast in Europe.

00:25On the back of the Macron visit to the White House,

00:29the rather surprisingly dramatic announcement

00:35by Sakhir Starmer in the House of Commons today,

00:39and there's going to be an unveiling throughout the day

00:42of a security plan long overdue, a national security

00:45strategy in the present context for the UK.

00:49And I think it's actually quite useful,

00:51because I think it rehearses what

00:54is going to come in the end of June

00:57at the NATO summit in the Netherlands,

01:00where there really will be a sorting out

01:03of the future of the alliance, where, of course,

01:08we'll be lucidized with America.

01:09America is absolutely essential to NATO,

01:13because it was at the heart of the conception of NATO.

01:16There may be different alliances or different variants of it,

01:20but I think that's the way that they're going.