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00:00Thank you, first of all, thank you very much for speaking to ATV Bharat.

00:06So what format will this interview appear in?

00:09I would write the interview as well, like in a question and answer format and we would,

00:15we had thought that we would include this video as well.

00:19But now since, you know, it would be an audio format, so we would simply, it would be, you

00:25know, a written format interview.

00:27Okay, very good.

00:28Okay.

00:30All right, perfect.

00:32So I actually read that book of yours, The World After Gaza, and I was, I was really

00:40moved reading it.

00:42First of all, I wish, I want to congratulate you for the exhaustive piece that this book

00:48is.

00:49And at the same time, I would also want to know about your views on some points that,

00:55you know, I marked in the book.

00:57I hope that's okay with you.

00:59Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:01Please go on.

01:02Perfect.

01:03Now, I understand that your essay, Shoah After Gaza, you know, it provides a comprehensive

01:12guide to understanding, you know, the contours of this grave humanitarian issue.

01:18And this book, The World After Gaza, would you call it a timely piece of literature or

01:25just a way to express the humiliation of our physical and political incapacity?

01:30If I may borrow the words from your book?

01:33I think, you know, I mean, I don't, I can't really make too many claims for the book as

01:39a work of literature or as a work of analysis or anything.

01:43It's just something I felt compelled to write.

01:47It's the only response a writer can make to an atrocity like this.

01:53It's up to other people to assess it as a piece of analysis, as a work of literature,

01:59whatever they want to see it as, it's entirely up to them.

02:04For me, it met a very profound and urgent need to put words, to put together sentences

02:15and to, you know, simply describe not only what was happening, because a lot of people

02:22have already been describing it, but try and sort of make sense of it in some way,

02:28using history, using the enormous archive that has been created in the last hundred

02:35years of various other historical atrocities.

02:42So it was very much a book really written almost entirely in response to something that

02:51was happening as I was writing.

02:53So unlike any other book I've written.

02:56Okay.

02:57For our readers, we just, you know, to introduce you as someone who is such an exhaustive writer

03:05and award-winning essayist and novelist and, you know, a prolific contributor to noted

03:10periodicals such as the New York Review of Books and the London Review of Books.

03:15I was moved by the comments by Hisham Mattar, the American-born Libyan-British novelist,

03:23you know, who says your book, and I quote, is a humane inquiry into what suffering can

03:28make us do and the troubling question of what world we will find after Gaza.

03:34Can you give us a glimpse of what that world would be?

03:39Well, unfortunately, at this point, it looks like a world where all the norms of not just

03:50war, conflict, but also basic morality are under threat like never before, certainly

03:59like never before in our lifetimes.

04:02So this is a world, as I speak to you, in which some of the most powerful people in

04:07the world are egging on nakedly racist, nakedly pro-Nazi political movements and personalities.

04:21They're openly stalking resentment and anger and hostility towards weaker groups, towards

04:30minorities, using every event, whether it's the fires in Los Angeles or, you know, the

04:39sort of, you know, random terrorist attacks to stop these angers and resentments.

04:48So I think it's very clear that we've embarked upon a really treacherous phase in human existence.

04:57And certainly large parts of the world.

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