00:00I listened carefully to all the speeches, including the screams and full of emotions by our friends.
00:12And I would like to express my gratitude as a son of Johor, to all of you from Johor.
00:18If we look at page 31, we can see the picture.
00:22Johor people say picture.
00:25We don't say picture, we say picture.
00:27This white stone picture, Tansri.
00:29This white stone is close to Pengerang.
00:32But that's Singapore's.
00:34The middle rock is far from Pengerang.
00:37That's Malaysia's.
00:39So, Tansri is right.
00:41Actually, our purpose today is to refer to something very important,
00:47which I understand.
00:53But actually, we look more at what was said by Suranjaya, which is page 204.
01:03What is very important here, in our discussion,
01:07is that we give views and suggestions,
01:10so that the government can make a decision,
01:13and from the suggestions and views, to improve the weaknesses that have occurred.
01:19The issue of whether to accuse or not, is the issue of the court.
01:24Not the issue of the government.
01:26In the institution, we all know that the court is a free individual.
01:32If there is a police report, the police will investigate,
01:36and then the court will make a decision.
01:39If there is no police report until today,
01:41then how can we, in the court,
01:43direct the police to investigate,
01:45or ask the court to make a decision?
01:47How can we do that?
01:49What I don't understand is,
01:51what you are saying,
01:53you don't want to read this book.
01:57Tansri, they have said it.
01:59Tansri, let me answer.
02:01If it's like this, then I don't have to answer.
02:03What is this?
02:05Let me answer.
02:07Sit down, Arau.
02:09Relax, Arau.
02:11Let me answer.
02:13Arau.
02:15I know, Arau.
02:17It's almost time.
02:19It's Friday, everyone is going home.
02:21Let me answer.
02:22How many minutes left?
02:237 minutes more?
02:24Let me answer.
02:25What's wrong with you?
02:29I've answered.
02:31Enough, sit down.
02:32Thank you, Arau.
02:33If it's like this, Tansri.
02:35Let me answer.
02:37Arau.
02:39Tansri is right.
02:41When we look at the most important thing
02:43in page 204,
02:45he said,
02:47in paragraph 4.9,
02:49if you want to make a decision
02:51about any cabinet decision,
02:53you have to go through the ministerial memorandum.
02:55That's what the RCI said.
02:57It's not discussed in other things.
02:59That's the first thing.
03:01Secondly, he said here,
03:03in page 206,
03:05he said,
03:29That means,
03:31the RCI stated that
03:33the government must follow
03:35the existing procedures and SOPs.
03:37That means,
03:39in our case,
03:41what happens
03:43is that
03:45on this date,
03:4721 May,
03:49we all discussed in the cabinet meeting,
03:51many of the cabinet members were silent.
03:53That's his decision.
03:55I understand and I heard it.
03:57But what we must remember
03:59and don't forget,
04:01before the cabinet meeting,
04:03the letter was sent to Singapore.
04:05His lawyer.
04:07The lawyer of Singapore.
04:09Even though
04:11the letter was sent
04:13to talk about Michael Shaw,
04:15I agree with it.
04:17But we must correct it
04:19so that the decisions
04:21about the government
04:23were discussed in the cabinet meeting
04:25before the decision was made.
04:27That's all.
04:29So we must remember
04:31in the upcoming lectures,
04:33like what I said in this session
04:35about the national head office,
04:37in the issue of
04:39governance,
04:41we also mentioned in page 206
04:43that the lead agency
04:45is the National Security Council.
04:47At least,
04:49MKM came to the cabinet meeting
04:51to inform the cabinet members.
04:53That's all. This is what was stated.
04:55What was stated in this
04:57letter is to correct
04:59the situation that has happened
05:01so that the same thing won't happen.
05:03I have 4 minutes left.
05:05Wait, half a minute.
05:07Do you want to answer or not?
05:09I don't want to answer.
05:11I don't want to answer.
05:13It's okay, I want to answer.
05:15I want to answer.
05:17I want to answer
05:19about the issue
05:21that was raised
05:23in page 40.
05:25I want to answer
05:27about the issue
05:29that was raised in page 40.
05:31I want to answer
05:33about the issue
05:35that was raised
05:37in page 40
05:39due to concerns
05:41about the risk of national security,
05:43sensitive diplomatic relations,
05:45and individual privacy protection.
05:47There is a report in Raja Indonesia
05:49that was released to the public
05:51that will investigate the national security
05:53where certain information
05:55in this report is sensitive
05:57including protection,
05:59surveillance, and other strategic matters.
06:01In terms of diplomatic sensitivities,
06:03the Batu Putih Flooding Area
06:05is a regional sea
06:07that is still
06:09a dispute between
06:11Malaysia and Singapore.
06:13In addition, this report contains
06:15sensitive information
06:17about the ongoing negotiations
06:19between the two countries
06:21that may affect
06:23the relationship in the future.
06:25In terms of privacy protection,
06:27this report contains
06:29sensitive information
06:31about individuals, officials,
06:33and private witnesses.
06:35The report was made
06:37to ensure that
06:39the report that was released
06:41does not cause air pollution
06:43in terms of politics, diplomatic,
06:45or national security,
06:47as well as to ensure
06:49the protection of sensitive information.
06:51That is the significance of the report.
06:53Your Honour,
06:55who ordered this to be blacklisted?
06:57The government or Suruan Jaya?
06:59It was blacklisted by the government
07:01because we wanted to bring it to the public.
07:03Okay, I want to know the answer.
07:05That is the reason,
07:07but in the government's decision-making,
07:09of course Suruan Jaya
07:11will provide
07:13guidance to the government.
07:15Because when Suruan Jaya released the report,
07:17I said in the report
07:19that the officials
07:21went to the Cabinet meeting
07:23to discuss
07:25their decision
07:27and what they learned
07:29from the King's investigation.
07:31So the Cabinet agreed to lift
07:33the secret category
07:35to be opened and discussed
07:37in the Parliament,
07:39as we have been doing since recently.
07:41The Select Committee has been discussed,
07:43the Head of State Audit has been discussed,
07:45both parties
07:47have been able to listen,
07:49discuss, and propose.
07:51Your Honour, does Dr Mahdi Berhad know
07:53that this was blacklisted?
07:55Does Dr Mahdi Berhad know
07:57that this was blacklisted?
07:59As someone who was accused.
08:01Your Honour,
08:03I am not in the court.
08:05I cannot say
08:07whether this person knows or not.
08:09If it is open, if he wants to read it, read it.
08:11If he doesn't want to read it, he doesn't want to read it.
08:13What is important, we must accept
08:15the fact that
08:17when it comes to the report,
08:19the Cabinet Minister
08:21is not in the report.
08:23The one who is in the report
08:25is the free body appointed
08:27by Mr Agong.
08:29They went to the Cabinet meeting
08:31to discuss their decision.
08:33And in the discussion,
08:35any issue about security
08:37and secrecy will be discussed.
08:39So I want to answer another issue
08:41because Your Honour talked a lot
08:43about the issue of crime.
08:45I want to answer that.
08:47This is the last time,
08:49Your Honour,
08:51such as Putrajaya,
08:53Larut, Ketua Bahru,
08:55the Cabinet Minister
08:57during the time of the 9th Prime Minister.
08:59If we refer to the RCI report,
09:01for the first time,
09:03from the front page,
09:05I hope that Your Honour
09:07who was once a minister
09:09will not forget
09:11that in page 3,
09:134, 5,
09:15it states that
09:17on 8 October 2021,
09:19the Cabinet agreed
09:21that the Special Task Force
09:23should be re-established
09:25in accordance with
09:27Batu Putih, Middle Rock, South Sledge.
09:29Then on 23 May 2008,
09:31the decision was made by
09:33ICJ.
09:35Then in the Cabinet meeting on 22 December 2021,
09:37the Cabinet also agreed
09:39to appoint
09:41Tansi Datuk Seri Muhammad Effendi
09:43bin Haji Muhammad Ali
09:45as the head of the Special Task Force.
09:47The report of the Special Task Force
09:49means that
09:51Your Honour,
09:53they agreed,
09:55but the difference is
09:57that until today,
09:59they still...
10:01Wait a minute.
10:03They agreed that
10:05this report should not be kept secret.
10:07But the government
10:09wants
10:11this report not to be kept secret.
10:13It's the same thing.
10:15The difference is
10:17for the government,
10:19we want the people
10:21to know what happened
10:23to the people of Johor for the first time.
10:25The fishermen
10:27who were looking for fish
10:29were chased away
10:31by the government
10:33of the Singapore Maritime Commission.
10:35They can't even catch fish.
10:37The task force that they made
10:39got the decision, but they didn't want to tell.
10:41We made the RCI,
10:43we got the decision, we told.
10:45We voted.
10:47How could that be wrong?
10:49It's the same thing.
10:51The difference is the character,
10:53the form.
10:55Your Honour,
10:57I don't want to answer.
10:59Your Honour,
11:01Your Honour,
11:03I, because he mentioned
11:05the former minister
11:07who made the decision,
11:09I inform
11:11that the decision
11:13that he made,
11:15Your Honour, according to the 12-1
11:17meeting regulations,
11:19without ignoring the previous agreement,
11:21I request that the meeting
11:23be postponed today and after that,
11:25the meeting will be postponed
11:27until a date
11:29is set.
11:31Your Honour, I want...
11:33Your Honour,
11:35before that,
11:37Your Honour,
11:39Your Honour,
11:43There is no decision.
11:45Your Honour,
11:47Your Honour,
11:49Your Honour,
11:51Your Honour,
11:53Your Honour,
11:55Your Honour,
11:57Your Honour,
11:59Your Honour,
12:01Your Honour,
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