Shaam Mein Istehkaam Asakay Ga Ya Halaat Mazeed Kharab Hon Ge?? Hina Rabbani Khar

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00:00It all happened so suddenly.

00:02Of course, it has a long history.

00:04But this is just this month that he was standing with the Iranian Foreign Minister

00:09and was expressing his confidence.

00:12And secondly, the fact that there was a lot of gunfire,

00:18but it was all in the air.

00:19There was no bloodshed.

00:21There were no casualties.

00:22Does this give you any reason to believe that somewhere,

00:26there was some arrangement,

00:28something like this, which is taken in public information,

00:31but somewhere, there was something?

00:33Look, if I look at it without representing Pakistan,

00:36without representing Pakistan's official position,

00:39from an observer's point of view,

00:42then somewhere, there is not just nothing,

00:45but everywhere, there is a lot.

00:48And I think that in 2012,

00:51when the aftereffects of the Syrian Arab Spring

00:55and the first part of the Arab Spring took place,

00:58then you will remember that we were the government of the People's Party

01:01and I was the Foreign Minister at that time.

01:03And we also saw that groups of Friends of Syria were formed.

01:06There was a very massive grouping of Western interests,

01:09Western countries,

01:11and then there were many other countries,

01:13in which Turkey was a very major player.

01:16At that time, Eastern countries were also very tough players.

01:20And we witnessed a whole process

01:22where armed groups,

01:24which can be called rebel groups,

01:26you can call them freedom fighters,

01:29you can call them whatever you want,

01:31or you can also call them terrorists.

01:33And at that time,

01:35the countries,

01:37the government has not yet taken care of it,

01:39but because the people of Syria are being celebrated,

01:43they have a $10 million bounty from the US,

01:47and they are also on the UN terrorist list.

01:50This is very little,

01:52because it is very easy to get a unilateral sanction.

01:55It is not easy for any country,

01:57but it is not difficult to get it.

01:59But when you come to the UN sanction list,

02:02it means that there is a broad consensus

02:05that you are being treated like that.

02:08And for that person now to be celebrated,

02:11that is, to be celebrated in the West

02:15as a reformist,

02:17or as a freedom fighter,

02:19so if we know all this history,

02:23then you can tell that greater powers are at play.

02:29Now, if you look at it from the other side,

02:32then it is that when Gaddafi went,

02:35when Mubarak went,

02:38and you saw a massive celebration,

02:41and people went,

02:43because you saw footage in Syria,

02:46that people are vandalizing,

02:48looting,

02:50taking money out of banks,

02:52and there is a celebratory mode,

02:54and a chaotic mode.

02:56And this has lasted very little time

03:00in other countries,

03:02where the same processes have taken place.

03:04And after that,

03:06an anarchic and civil war-type situation unfolds.

03:10And the name and symbol of stability

03:13is ending in that way.

03:16Libya is a very, very good example of this,

03:18where educational rates were one of the highest in the region.

03:22Now you see the situation there.

03:24Iraq is, in some ways,

03:26because a lot of people forget that

03:28the Iraq war was not a UN Security Council authorized war.

03:32It was a coalition of unauthorized war in some ways.

03:37There was no international law sanctioned on it.

03:40So when this self-defense mode

03:42or pick-and-choose of who,

03:44who becomes a terrorist or a reformer,

03:46or a liberation-type leader,

03:48all of this, we call it a repeat.

03:54So I am very reluctant

03:56to go into any type of a celebratory mode.

04:00Because the right to life...

04:02And we have no reason to believe

04:04that this law will bring peace to human lives.

04:06Because as you rightly pointed out,

04:08at least in Afghanistan,

04:10there is no bloodshed,

04:12like there was in the previous Taliban regime.

04:14But there too,

04:16there was no rebellion.

04:18Like in Libya, for example.

04:20So here too, you have no reason to believe

04:22that there will be a rebellion.

04:26You see, I think I have a very different view on this.

04:28Because in Afghanistan,

04:30if you look at the UN Security Council reports,

04:32there is a massive concern for all of us.

04:34A massive concern.

04:36Pakistan has a lot of legitimate concerns

04:38on the TPP.

04:40And there are concerns

04:42around the world

04:44about how to preserve women's rights.

04:46But the UN Security Council reports

04:48tell you that

04:50the law and order situation in Afghanistan

04:52has never been better than it is today.

04:54That's the reality.

04:56When we don't like someone,

04:58we accept that reality.

05:00Their sanctiation regime is much better than before.

05:02But their problems are very serious.

05:04And there are a lot of Pakistanis.

05:06However, this is not the case in Libya.

05:08There is no stability there.

05:10Law and order has not improved there.

05:12Similarly, I think in Syria,

05:14and if you look at Egypt,

05:16from one state to another,

05:18there is chaos.

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