" PTI Ki Top Leader Ship TV Talk Shows Par Baithi Hui Hai. .. " Barrister Danyal Chaudhry Ki Guftagu

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00:00Mr. Daniyal, what does the poet want to say in this couplet?

00:03When you say that there are some internal issues.

00:05Mr. Pallavi, let me clarify something.

00:09First, let's talk about success and failure.

00:12Now, you have 20 TV channels open.

00:15If you look at the 20 TV channels,

00:17all the eight of them are sitting in TV talk shows.

00:22Someone has a red chair, someone has a white chair.

00:25Someone is sitting in the drawing room, someone is sitting in the studio.

00:27And you have a picture of yourself.

00:29You have a picture of yourself.

00:32Someone's hand is behind you in this picture.

00:35Who's hand is behind you?

00:39Okay, tell us.

00:40All the people in this show

00:44are from Punjab and other provinces.

00:47This is a show from the whole of Punjab, the whole of Pakistan.

00:49All the leaders of this show

00:51were sitting in their offices and their homes.

00:55When it comes to fighting, killing and taking lives,

01:00the children of the people are made into human shields.

01:03If the government had to answer for that bullet,

01:06or had to answer for those bullets,

01:08then the government has a lot of bullets.

01:10Okay? And the government has a lot of power.

01:13But we are trying to make them understand

01:15that they are our own children.

01:17They are our own people.

01:18And the governments, political parties,

01:21don't push on such points

01:23that you make a group of people

01:27stand in front of the government.

01:30We don't want to turn them into a militia.

01:32And we don't want to take any action against them.

01:35We are trying to make them understand

01:38that if you want to test them with force,

01:41then no one can win against the government.

01:42Otherwise, there were a lot of countries around Pakistan

01:46that have fulfilled their desire.

01:47And if they want to, they can't.

01:49But they are our own children.

01:51They are our own people.

01:52You use human shields against them.

01:55And you bring them from the provinces,

01:57and through the government machinery,

01:59you are trying to attack the federal government.

02:03This is not acceptable.

02:05If this had happened in any other country in the world,

02:08there would have been other consequences.

02:10But regardless of all these things,

02:13we are trying to instill sanity in their people.

02:17But can you please explain to us

02:19what you are trying to say

02:21that Mr. Gaur has gone to meet Mr. Khan

02:23to talk about the internal affairs of the PTI.

02:25What do you mean by that?

02:26What internal affairs are you talking about?

02:27Mr. Pradhan, one person negotiates on one issue.

02:31The other person comes out of the container

02:32and says, we don't want to go here, we want to go there.

02:35One person says, I am leading.

02:37The other person says, I am leading.

02:38The third person says, I am the brother.

02:39I have conveyed the message.

02:41There are four contractors here.

02:43And you are being so kind to PTI

02:44that you are telling Mr. Gaur to go to meet Mr. Khan

02:48and tell him that this is going on in the party.

02:50I think we didn't tell him this.

02:52He is trying to clear his own issues.

02:55But someone is allowing Mr. Gaur.

02:58That's why he is able to meet Mr. Khan.

03:00Mr. Pradhan, the people who have been killed

03:02and the people who have been martyred,

03:04their blood will not be shed.

03:06Someone has to be answerable for it.

03:08It is not possible that you shoot 20,000 shells

03:11at the Patti Pahadi.

03:13You shoot bullets.

03:14You attack the police.

03:18You steal their uniforms.

03:22You loot the toll plaza.

03:28And you take money from the cashier's box.

03:34And you can go unaccounted for.

03:36That is not possible.

03:38Mr. Hassan, you...

03:40Okay.

03:47Mr. Hassan, you tell us...

03:50Okay.

03:55Okay.

03:58Mr. Hassan, when Mr. Mohsin Naqvi...

04:00The note is here, Mr. Daniyal.

04:02You are saying that such incidents have taken place.

04:04Mr. Hassan, let's conclude this.

04:06When Mr. Mohsin Naqvi says,

04:08Mr. Gauhar, I don't know much about the PTI.

04:11I went to talk to him about some internal matters.

04:12Or Mr. Daniyal.

04:14What does he mean by this?

04:15What does the poet want to say in this couplet?

04:17Mr. Hassan.

04:20I don't know what he wants to say.

04:22Okay, I don't understand.

04:23Let me tell you something.

04:2533 Afghan nationals were arrested during the SCO.

04:30And in addition to this, in 9th May,

04:33about 4 to 6 Afghan nationals were punished in 9th May.

04:39Yes.

04:40In addition to this, I remembered that on 9th and 10th May,

04:43a lot of government properties were burnt.

04:45And at that time, a big happening scene was seen.

04:47And some people were celebrating on Twitter and social media.

04:51And they were waving their success flags.

04:54Then after that, 11th May came.

04:56After that, 12th May came.

04:58Then 13th, 14th.

04:59And after that, our political space

05:01was lost by a political group called Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.

05:05Then its people used to hold press conferences

05:07and express their disconnect with their community.

05:10So, these are the things that we should not forget

05:14in the past.

05:16This political party.

05:17So, the proof of intellectualism is that you should avoid clashes.

05:23The proof of intellectualism is that

05:26they have been offered a kind of

05:28a negotiating committee to sit at a place of consultation.

05:32And move forward in matters.

05:34You will also get face-saving.

05:35If you don't do this,

05:37and move towards clashes,

05:39then you won't be able to get anything from the Prime Minister's office.

05:42Even if you get something one day,

05:43then after two or three days, something will happen.

05:46So, whatever will happen,

05:47it has a big cost.

05:48And the political space that Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf has regained,

05:52will be lost again.

05:53One last thing.

05:54The pressure that has been put on PTI,

05:57if any, or whatever it is,

05:59has the state offered any relaxation to PTI?

06:07If yes, what is it?

06:09That we will do this, if you cooperate.

06:11Some relaxation will be that

06:14the committees will sit,

06:16and the people who have political cases,

06:19only purely political cases,

06:21will sit and check on them.

06:25And then, in the prosecution,

06:27I am talking to myself,

06:28that in the prosecution,

06:29later on, in the courts,

06:31they can change their view,

06:34so that they can benefit from the case,

06:36and get out of the courts.

06:39This is the only possibility.

06:40Apart from this, if you think that

06:42Bani Chairman Tariq-e-Insaf will be released,

06:45these are not even on cards.

06:46Let's take your question.

06:47Sir, thank you very much.

06:49Shoaib Sahib, thank you very much, I am grateful.

06:51Daniyal Sahib and Hassan Ayub Sahib,

06:53thank you very much.

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