00:00Dr. Suri, regarding the decision of the police, what is the decision, what has been decided, what action has been taken against you?
00:10Today, regarding the punishment, it will be done, but we are aware that the case of the student who was striked
00:23is also being investigated by the police and the next actions will be taken by the police.
00:32For us, we have also completed the investigation.
00:38Of course, the result of the investigation is the same, I believe, with what the police did.
00:49As for the punishment, it will be decided today, regarding the student.
00:54I can only imagine that we will not compromise in terms of discipline,
01:05because ragging orientation is not a new thing everywhere, but it has never involved violence.
01:23Therefore, whatever involves violence, we will not compromise to take a firm action.
01:33Including, we will stop whatever is involved from becoming a cadet,
01:41and we will demand that all the responsibilities that we have given them throughout their time
01:57or the individual through training as a cadet.
02:04So, in this context, I want to emphasize that the punishment does not run away from that.
02:11For those who are involved in matters of violence and violence,
02:17whether it is in the orientation period or in the daily relationship between cadets.
02:30I want to say that it is not fair for us to label UPNM with various titles.
02:41We have to realize that UPNM is a university that not only accommodates the needs of the Ministry of Defense
02:50by providing places to cadets of the Ministry of Defense,
02:54but UPNM also has students from the civilian public.
03:03And if we look at the number of UPNM students enrolled in 4,200,
03:15of that number, at this time, approximately 1,000 or 957 are cadets.
03:24Cadets are only one fourth of the number of students enrolled in UPNM.
03:30So, cadets are cadets assigned by the Ministry of Defense.
03:36They will be cadets.
03:43Every year, we take in 300.
03:45So, throughout their enrollment, in 1,000 people, because 300 per year, something like that.
03:52They are placed in the Military Training Academy.
03:58They are not placed in the same dormitories as other students.
04:04So, all of this happens in the Military Training Academy.
04:11So, all of your questions are irrelevant.
04:15So, that's it.
04:17If there is a discipline violation in the university,
04:23during the time of the university, it is the responsibility of the university.
04:26But all of this happens either in the dormitories of the Military Training Academy,
04:34or during the time of cadets, they must undergo military training.
04:40Because he is a cadet.
04:42That's why the second case happened in Padangkawat.
04:47He is not in the university.
04:51So, it is not fair to label UPNM with various names and so on.
04:59Because this happens in the Military Training Academy under the Ministry of Defense.
05:06I would like to say that we, the Ministry of Defense,
05:11as long as I am the minister, I practice openness in this matter.
05:17We do not have anything to hide.
05:19We will cooperate with all parties.
05:22We have no obstacle.
05:24If there is someone who receives harsh treatment,
05:31from the point of violence and so on, which is not fair,
05:35in the end, it involves the question of reporting to the police.
05:40Because the punishments we give are limited to the maximum,
05:50which is to separate him from becoming a cadet.
05:54But if it involves questions that are related to the element of crime and so on,
06:03let it be taken by the police and so on.
06:08So, we practice openness, we will not hide.
06:11Because we also do not support or we ourselves
06:23oppose any acts of violence committed by any cadet towards anyone.
06:32I think that is something very uncommon
06:37in the training of cadets and so on.
06:41If we ask all members of the military who have been trained,
06:46they go through difficult and challenging circumstances,
06:50but they have never been subjected to violence,
06:55such as being stabbed with an arrow and so on,
07:02or being trampled on until they are broken.
07:05So, we do not condone that kind of practice or action
07:12and harsh punishments.
07:14Indeed, many say, why does this happen?
07:17We are trying to prevent it.
07:21Today, what I want to share is that we have isolated
07:28both first-year students and senior students,
07:31in terms of where they live, and also in terms of direction.
07:35We differentiate between them.
07:37We also hold roll-calls in isolation.
07:42In the first year, we only hold roll-calls for the first year, and so on.
07:47We have also installed CCTV cameras in all blocks,
07:54but we will add this.
07:57Maybe what needs to be done,
07:59I understand that in the military,
08:01during training, if there is a fight,
08:04they will always hold roll-calls.
08:06If the situation is not under control,
08:10I am just sharing this, I am not saying that.
08:12They can do roll-call every one hour.
08:15When they do roll-call, they have to wear the uniform,
08:18they have to carry the weapons, so they have to line up.
08:22If there is a fight, every roll-call, one hour,
08:25two hours, every two hours,
08:27two in the morning or four in the morning,
08:29that's it.
08:31I don't know, I have to check what they do
08:35to ensure that this doesn't happen,
08:38to ensure that the discipline of cadets is maintained.
08:46We will give maximum punishment,
08:57as a form of awareness and action to prevent this from happening.
09:07This is one of the things we can do.
09:10Like other crimes, the punishment is very heavy,
09:17but it still happens.
09:19So we try, maybe we will raise awareness among cadets
09:26so that they don't do things they don't want to do,
09:32which in the end will affect their lives.
09:36They are thrown away, they are stopped,
09:38they have to pay back.
09:40And if there is an incident involving a police case,
09:47they go to court,
09:48then I am sure that their education while in the university,
09:54if they go to court,
09:56according to the law, they will be dependent on their education.
10:00So that's why we hope this will be a lesson,
10:04a deterrent to them.
10:08Is the prevention that has been done,
10:10such as the separation of juniors and seniors,
10:14was it done after the case was taken?
10:18We did the separation in January 2024,
10:23then the separation of cadets in October 2024.
10:29Then the roll call was also separated in October.
10:35So we hope that the ALK will act more firmly
10:43to ensure that this does not happen.
10:45So the reason for the separation,
10:47wasn't it a room with the seniors?
10:51No, because he was delivering food,
10:56then I was informed that the senior asked him to wash his clothes.
11:02Then when he did the roll call,
11:05he said that the roll call wasn't hot yet.
11:08Then when it wasn't hot yet,
11:10the senior came to test whether it was hot or not.
11:13That's all.
11:14That's what he said as a joke.
11:17So it didn't happen, right?
11:19When the cadets were stepped on,
11:21did they go through any medical treatment?
11:23Did they really have any medical treatment?
11:25They were indeed sent to the hospital to be treated.
11:31It was not denied,
11:33so the investigation was also carried out.
11:36Did the cadets receive any medical treatment
11:40from the senior cadets?
11:44I don't think so.
11:51As for the second case,
11:57he was one of the cadets.
12:01He was the one in charge.
12:04He was also a cadet.
12:06Did the cadets receive any medical treatment?
12:11No.
12:12I don't think so.
12:15So was the man in charge?
12:20He was like a supervisor.
12:22He was one of the cadets.
12:24He was one of the cadets.
12:28He was a rank holder.
12:31He was like a supervisor.
12:34As for the case of bullying,
12:40what drastic measures will be taken
12:44in addition to the treatment you mentioned?
12:47It's like a place to live.
12:52It's impossible for one warden to take care of another.
13:04So the important thing is to raise awareness,
13:10to give advice.
13:13And as I said earlier,
13:15to isolate the cadets.
13:20We just started doing that,
13:22and we'll see.
13:23Maybe we'll do a roll call.
13:29Sometimes we have to do a roll call
13:32so we can know if there are any actions
13:34that have been taken or not.
13:35It means checking.
13:37It will always have to be done.
13:39So more frequent roll calls?
13:40I think more frequent.
13:42How will the cadets deal with the UPNM?
13:48That's a question for the Minister of Higher Education.
13:51The UPNM is under him.
13:53As I said earlier,
13:54the academy and UPNM are two different things.
13:58The cadets are taken to the military academy.
14:06When they finish their studies,
14:07they will go to UPNM.
14:09They will study at UPNM.
14:11When they come back,
14:12they will go back to their world,
14:14which is the military academy.
14:16Everything that happens is at the military academy.
14:20Because they are mixed.
14:22So when they come back,
14:23they know they are seniors or juniors.
14:24Because they are always mixed.
14:25But if you are at the university,
14:28you are mixed for a year or two,
14:30you don't even know the other majors.
14:32Is this a year or what?
14:34Everything is normal at the university, right?
14:37This is a community.
14:39They know who is young and who is old.
14:43Is there a specific order?
14:45Yes.
14:46Is there a specific order?
14:47Under the UPNM.
14:49That's why I gave this press conference.
14:56We will see where the weaknesses are.
15:02If you look at the incidents that happened,
15:04for example,
15:05during the ironing,
15:06you can see it here and there.
15:08But the incident was only realized
15:10after there was a training
15:12by a duty officer.
15:14It means that there are others who witnessed.
15:17But like the incident
15:19with Mr. Ramzul Farhan.
15:21Many people know about the incident
15:23that happened to you,
15:24but no one wants to come forward
15:25except for the others.
15:26I think every incident
15:27should not be the same.
15:29Because every incident
15:30will be different.
15:31His condition.
15:35We are the only ones who said
15:36that many people saw it.
15:37I don't know.
15:38You have to look at the reports.
15:39I cannot say.
15:41Or I can't make a guess.
15:44So things like this,
15:46we depend on that.
15:47How do you know that many people saw it?
15:49I don't know.
15:50Because he was in the room.
15:51He was in the room.
15:52The room here.
15:54No, he called the witnesses.
15:56Witnesses can mean
15:57after the incident and so on.
15:59How about the witness?
16:00Witness there
16:02or the incident after that.
16:04So, I don't know.
16:05So, don't make a guess.
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