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- Musadik Malik PMLN
- Dr Adil Anjum (America Analyst)
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PMLN Leader Musadik Malik reacts to Increase SC judges from 17 to 25
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- Maria Memon
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- Fawad Chaudhry (Politician)
- Musadik Malik PMLN
- Dr Adil Anjum (America Analyst)
Intezar Panjutha found distressed, tied up in car - Maria Memon Raises Important Questions
PMLN Leader Musadik Malik reacts to Increase SC judges from 17 to 25
"Govt Tamam Idaron Ko PIA Ki Tarhan Banana Chahti Hai...", Fawad Chaudhry's Big Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman, and you are watching Top Stories.
00:14The government is on the mission of legislating.
00:16Tomorrow, three bills will be tabled in the National Assembly.
00:19There is also talk of increasing the number of judges.
00:22We will talk about this in the first semester of the program.
00:24After that, will it be Trump or Kamala Harris?
00:26The decision will soon be made.
00:28The election is just around the corner.
00:31We are just a few days away from the polling day.
00:33We will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:36Finally, the PIA has come to the Punjab government.
00:39The uncle wants to sell the PIA.
00:41The niece wants to buy the PIA.
00:44We will talk about this in the last semester of the program.
00:46But let's start with the case of Intizaar Hussain Punjab.
00:50We will read out a very interesting film script for you.
00:55Because this cannot happen in reality.
00:57This is not a far-fetched reality.
01:01A person was kidnapped from Islamabad.
01:04For many weeks, people did not know where he was.
01:09But this happened in the case of Intizaar Punjab.
01:12On 8th October, Imran Khan's lawyer disappeared from Islamabad at 4 pm.
01:20No whereabouts of Imran Khan were found.
01:23On 9th October, he was summoned to the High Court of Islamabad.
01:28On 10th October, the High Court of Islamabad said that...
01:34...the car of Intizaar Punjab went to Faizabad and came back to Islamabad.
01:39The CCTV footage is still being watched.
01:42The next day, the DIG came and said that the car had entered Rawalpindi from Faizabad.
01:48We have identified the car. We are trying to find the CCTV footage.
01:53The Rawalpindi police said that the car had taken a U-turn from Shamsabad.
01:58Now it has come back to Islamabad.
02:00On 18th October, the police said that the car went to Rawal Dam Chowk...
02:05...then to Srinagar Highway and then to Fatehjung.
02:09We are watching the CCTV footage.
02:13On 29th October, the Attorney General told the court that...
02:16...they are trying. Give me two days.
02:18I will come here on Friday and give you good news.
02:22Then came the day of 1st November.
02:24On 1st November, Attorney General Mansoor Ahwan assured the High Court...
02:30...that Intizaar Punjab will come back within 24 hours.
02:34Then what happened? This is no less than a film script.
02:37At night, it was reported that a car was stopped.
02:40It looked like there was a robbery.
02:42The police fought and fired.
02:44When the car was recovered, Intizaar Hussain Panjotas came.
02:49You can see how worried he was.
02:51The police fought in a very dramatic manner.
02:54The people who were firing fled.
02:56Panjotas was not injured.
02:58The police had a camera and lighting.
03:00A great film was being made.
03:02A video of him was released.
03:04He is a person who is completely rattled.
03:08He has been missing for a few weeks.
03:10He is in such a vulnerable condition.
03:14His nerves are not in control.
03:17His video is being made.
03:19The video is being released.
03:21This is a violation of human rights.
03:24But what a great script.
03:26This can only happen in Pakistan's politics.
03:28Intizaar Panjotas is a lawyer.
03:30His silence is worth listening to.
03:35The government wants to bring a bill.
03:38There are three important bills.
03:40A meeting has been called for it.
03:42The government wants to approve three important bills.
03:45The bill on practice and procedure.
03:47The bill on the increase of judges in the Supreme Court.
03:50The bill on practice and procedure.
03:52The bill on the increase of judges in the Supreme Court.
03:56The bill on the increase of judges in the Supreme Court.
03:59The bill on the amendment of the Incident of Terrorism Act.
04:03Dr. Musadeq Malik, Deputy Minister of Petroleum.
04:06Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, former Deputy Minister of Petroleum.
04:09The government wants to bring three bills.
04:11The most important bill on which there has been a discussion for a long time.
04:16The bill on the continuity of the judiciary.
04:22The government wants to increase the number of judges in the Supreme Court.
04:25The government wants to increase the number of judges in the Supreme Court.
04:28What is the need for this bill?
04:30What is the need for this bill?
04:33What is the objective behind this bill?
04:41The main objective is pendency.
04:45The main objective is pendency.
04:49In the coming days, more judges will be required in the lower courts.
04:54In the coming days, more judges will be required in the lower courts.
04:57Pendency is higher than the Supreme Court.
05:00There will be extra judges in the Supreme Court as well.
05:03It is a matter of the past government.
05:06The government celebrated its 70th or 80th anniversary.
05:12Pakistan was made 70 years ago.
05:16When I talk about the past.
05:18And there was a case going on before Pakistan was formed, whose anniversary was celebrated properly.
05:25So when the 70th, 85th or 100th birthday of any case is celebrated in the Supreme Court,
05:34then it is known that there is a lot of pendency.
05:39You are more concerned about the Supreme Court because you have not yet appointed judges in many high courts.
05:44There is a lot of pendency there.
05:46If you are concerned about the pendency of cases, then that should be the first priority.
05:50You yourself mentioned the lower courts.
05:52The highest pendency in Pakistan is in the lower courts.
05:55But the target is the Supreme Court.
05:57The focus is the Supreme Court.
05:58So there are political objectives.
05:59Target and focus are two different things.
06:01I think you are giving a special impression by calling the focus the target, which is not.
06:08The thing is that pendency is everywhere.
06:11And I told you in the beginning that after this, the pendency of other courts will also be terminated.
06:17And the problem is that the administrative functions are with the government after the 18th amendment.
06:24But the judicial functions are with the courts.
06:29That is, the Chief Justices of the High Court have to play a very important role in increasing the number of judges,
06:36both for themselves and for the courts.
06:38So we will have to work together with the judiciary.
06:41So that the administrative facilities that we have to provide, we continue to provide them.
06:45And the number of judges has to be increased in the lower courts.
06:48In that, the role of the next one should play its role.
06:52And our role is that we or the government, whose jurisdiction it is, should play its role.
06:59Okay.
07:00Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, the explanation of the government is that we are increasing from 17th to 25th because of the issue of pendency.
07:05I asked you that you are completely focused on the Supreme Court.
07:09Is this targeting or is it some special political objective?
07:12Obviously, they do not agree with that.
07:16So if the number of judges will increase from 17th to 25th in the Supreme Court,
07:20will the standard of justice be high?
07:23There is no doubt about this.
07:24So what is the problem in having 17 to 25 judges?
07:28Our fundamental point is that the government's ideal institution is the PIA.
07:35They want to make all the institutions of Pakistan the same way they made the PIA.
07:41And they want to fill it with so many people that there is no limit to it.
07:45For example, increasing the number of judges in the Supreme Court for the pendency is a very absurd argument.
07:54Right now, the Supreme Court of the United States has 9 judges.
07:58The Supreme Court of the UK has 12 judges.
08:02The Supreme Court of Germany has 16 judges.
08:05The Supreme Court of India, which is 4 times bigger than us, has 33 judges.
08:11But it has fewer judges.
08:13If the Supreme Court is filled with judges,
08:17it does not mean that we are reducing the number of judges.
08:21You had also asked Dr. Sir that the total number of pending cases in the lower courts in Pakistan is approximately 4.7 million.
08:30That is, 4.5 million pending cases are not a priority for the government.
08:35There are 50,000 pending cases.
08:37And I can tell you that out of those 50,000,
08:41half of the cases are actually resolvable.
08:45They have no importance.
08:47There are 25,000 cases in the Supreme Court, which are important and which have to be resolved.
08:52And it has nothing to do with the legal community.
08:58You have seen this fundamentally.
09:00The principle of separation was destroyed by the 26th amendment.
09:06Now they do not understand that the remaining 17 judges in the Supreme Court…
09:11Actually, the strength of the Supreme Court should not be more than 13 in Pakistan.
09:14There are still more than 5 judges in the Supreme Court.
09:17If you look at the international standards.
09:19Here they want that out of the 17 judges,
09:23you do not trust them either.
09:25Because they want judges who first write the decision,
09:29then send it to the law minister,
09:31that you see this, and then if he agrees,
09:34then the decision is announced or it is not.
09:36It is a simple matter.
09:37The government wants to end the existence of the Supreme Court as an institution.
09:41And they have tried the same in the 26th amendment.
09:44And now since this is not being done by the 17 judges,
09:49take it to 25.
09:50And then look at the devastation that is happening.
09:53The non-league should have thought about it.
09:57Where in the world is the Supreme Court based on the provinces?
10:00This is the quota of this province, this is the quota of that province.
10:03The 18th amendment has shaken the federation in Pakistan.
10:08And now when you will distribute the Supreme Court on the provinces,
10:17you are destroying the federation.
10:20I don't understand that no one is going to talk about this there.
10:23Tell me one more example in the world,
10:26where the Supreme Court is based on the provinces.
10:29You said that there should be 13 judges according to the population of Pakistan.
10:36This is too much.
10:37You gave the example of other countries as well.
10:39So Mr. Musadeq, there is a problem of trust on the judges.
10:42The problem of managing the number of votes.
10:44Because it is not so straightforward in Pakistan
10:46that we have a politics to ensure justice.
10:50There is also a politics related to the court.
10:52There is also a politics of interference in the politics of the court in Pakistan.
10:56So we cannot see it out of context.
10:58So it is a matter of trust by expanding the size of the Supreme Court.
11:03We don't know where the current government will go.
11:08Why is this impression coming?
11:10Look, I will present two or three points in front of you.
11:14First, in my brother's time, the PIA that had put four moons,
11:18and the PIA that was running in profit,
11:21that is in front of you.
11:24And secondly, if there are more than 17,
11:26there should be 13 judges,
11:28then your government should have done from 17 to 13.
11:31Do you remember today that there should have been 13, but there are 17?
11:34This seems very strange.
11:36And if you agree that there is a pendency of 50,000 cases in the Supreme Court,
11:42there are 50,000 cases and there are 17 judges.
11:45If the judges increase, more cases will be filed.
11:48If more cases are filed, more decisions will be made.
11:51If more decisions are made, the pendency will be reduced.
11:54I have told you before that after the 18th amendment,
11:58many decisions of the lower courts have been devolved and handed over to the judiciary.
12:03If my brother wants to bring another amendment to the constitution,
12:06after which this right is given again to the loyal government,
12:10then we are absolutely present.
12:12You bring it.
12:13Your party is sitting in the parliament at the moment.
12:17Bring that bill.
12:18Then we will debate it.
12:20That the right given to the courts in the lower courts,
12:24should come back to the administration and the executive to appoint judges.
12:29So one thing is very simple,
12:32that this case is everywhere.
12:34I myself told you in the beginning that this case is very serious in the lower courts.
12:39Then I told you that many of these rights have been given to the high courts.
12:44And I also said that we will work together with the high courts
12:47and to end that pendency,
12:49where we will increase the number of courts and judges
12:53and will also provide resources so that people's cases are solved.
12:56Now, if these cases are not solved in the Supreme Court,
12:59then there is no logic.
13:00Because there are other places where there is a lot of interference of the high courts
13:05and the loyal government should not do what it has been able to do.
13:10But doctor, the problem is that you said that you will do it in the lower courts.
13:14We will also see what changes you want to bring in it.
13:18The two or three laws that you brought up and down in the Supreme Court,
13:21first you brought the practice and procedure bill,
13:23after that you corrected it,
13:27brought an ordinance,
13:29changed the method in it,
13:31then we saw that the 26th amendment came,
13:33in that also the method of the Supreme Court cases,
13:35so these three or four heavy blocks that you have legislated,
13:39and did it very rapidly,
13:40this is done by the Supreme Court.
13:42And it seems that first you manage your cases in the Supreme Court
13:47and after that you will go to the high courts.
13:50So why do you have to legislate these two or three laws?
13:53Sometimes it is the targets, sometimes it is the cases.
13:55I am telling you what I can see.
13:58I am not using words that have any perpetuation.
14:03So I am putting this case in front of you that there is a pendency,
14:06the judge is increasing it.
14:07You both are saying that why are you increasing it?
14:09Don't increase it.
14:10Don't increase it.
14:11No sir, you are not saying this.
14:12I am not saying this.
14:13I am not saying that don't increase it.
14:15If you are not saying this, then it is already settled that
14:18by increasing 5-4 judges from 13-17,
14:21it will only be beneficial, not harmful.
14:23This has been settled.
14:24Now let's come to the 26th amendment.
14:27In the 26th amendment, run the clip of Barrister Gauhar.
14:31And after that, our close friend,
14:33Mr. Salman Akram Raja, run his clip.
14:36In which he said that the amendment package that Maulana has brought,
14:40of the 26th amendment,
14:41we have no objection to it, it is acceptable.
14:44In any case, he said that we will ask Mr. Khan and tell you.
14:47He did not say that the 26th amendment is wrong.
14:50In the 26th amendment, there were all those cases,
14:53which you know through the 19th amendment,
14:56that whole fight.
14:57You know that in the debate of the 18th amendment,
15:00this was the essential part of those amendments,
15:03which we later moved away from.
15:05So this was an old demand,
15:07which is the case of the 26th amendment,
15:10that they should be moved forward.
15:11Various Bar Councils of Pakistan have been demanding.
15:14This was part of the 18th amendment.
15:16And in the end, PTI said this,
15:18PTI's chairman said,
15:20PTI's general secretary said,
15:22that we have no objection to this amendment.
15:24Oh brother, if there is no objection,
15:26then why are you objecting to this program?
15:28It should have been said at that time.
15:30When you were saying that only Mr. Khan
15:32did not bless us at this time,
15:34then we do not believe.
15:35Otherwise, the amendment is acceptable.
15:37If it was acceptable,
15:39then today you are criticizing that acceptable amendment.
15:42It's amazing.
15:43I mean, I don't understand that
15:45listen to the chairman,
15:46listen to the general secretary,
15:48or listen to what is happening in your program.
15:53Okay, let's move a little further.
15:55Another bill has also been brought by the government,
15:57Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
15:58Let's talk about that too.
15:59They are saying that they will increase it from 17 to 25.
16:01They will improve the standard of justice.
16:03It will be fast.
16:04The pendency will end.
16:05After that, they will also go to the lower courts.
16:07They are bringing the bill of amendment
16:09in the Criminal Crimes Act.
16:10This is very dangerous.
16:11In this, they are giving powers for three months
16:14to the institutions that implement the law.
16:17In this regard, the People's Party
16:19and other human rights defenders
16:21also have a lot of reservations on this.
16:25What is the need of this bill
16:27that you think is being presented at this time?
16:29And what do you see in this?
16:31Does it also have political purposes?
16:33Okay, the country needs time.
16:35What is the need of this bill at this time?
16:38Maria, the first thing is that
16:40what the doctor has said
16:42and you have said that you agree
16:44that the judges should be increased.
16:46This means that I could not make the point clear.
16:49The first thing is that
16:51unfortunately, in Pakistan,
16:53the work has become so much partisan.
16:56And I would say that
16:58the political temperature is so high
17:01that people like Dr. Musadeq Malik
17:04do not have the understanding
17:06of which party he is in.
17:08You look up to them
17:09that they will talk some sense
17:11and they will take it forward.
17:13They also do not have the space
17:15to talk about this.
17:17Otherwise, who will be a man of policy
17:19with Dr. Musadeq Malik in Pakistan?
17:21There will be very few people
17:23who think or talk about his policy.
17:26But they also have a compulsion
17:28that they cannot talk.
17:30They will talk and there will be a problem.
17:33Basically, the issue is that
17:35the government wants
17:37that the way NAB is destroyed,
17:39police is destroyed,
17:41Punjab police, Islamabad police,
17:43all these poor people call them
17:45to follow them.
17:46They do not think about IG or anything.
17:48They all get up and follow them.
17:50They want the Supreme Court to be like this.
17:52At this time, the model of this government
17:54to Pakistan,
17:56as I said, they want to make it.
17:58Actually, they want to make the Supreme Court
18:00something like this.
18:01When you say that it will benefit
18:03from six judges,
18:05increasing or decreasing the number of judges
18:07has a policy debate on it.
18:09Books of books are written.
18:11Then the decision is made
18:13whether you want to increase it or not.
18:15Earlier you pointed out
18:17that why are they not making it
18:19in the lower court?
18:21Now let me tell you that
18:23in Punjab alone,
18:25there are thousands of judges
18:27because every year there is an exam.
18:29No one is able to qualify for a basic exam.
18:31And you have reduced the merit
18:33three times
18:35so that you can appoint a judge.
18:37We are going into a very sophisticated debate
18:39that if this law comes,
18:41then it will be followed.
18:43Now you tell me,
18:45your 7-member Supreme Court judgment
18:47is the Sohra Bibi case.
18:49It says that terrorism
18:51can only be heard by anti-terrorism judges.
18:53All the PTI, thousands of people
18:55have been standing in the lines
18:57of anti-terrorism court judges.
18:59I myself am facing 48 cases
19:01of terrorism.
19:03I am a terrorist here.
19:05They have put charges of terrorism
19:07even in Iman Bazari.
19:09Doctor, you wanted to respond to this.
19:11There must have been a debate
19:13in your party on this.
19:15Fear God,
19:17there must have been a debate
19:19in their party.
19:21Doctor knows how to take a good joke.
19:23He has come to know.
19:25Half of the program
19:27has become a joke.
19:29Let's move on.
19:31I am thankful to my brother.
19:33You know I have a very old
19:35relationship with him.
19:37He said
19:39that I make good policies
19:41and have good thoughts.
19:43I am very thankful for that.
19:45But then he
19:47almost equated it in the next sentence.
19:49He said, but he can't do this.
19:51I started laughing.
19:57The atmosphere is like this.
19:59Then I started laughing.
20:01People must be watching the TV program
20:03that they are shaking their heads
20:05and then laughing.
20:07So it was something like that.
20:09But let's leave that.
20:11Now let's move on.
20:13What my brother said
20:15was about the term.
20:17He said that
20:19the constitutional bench
20:21is being built.
20:23What kind of joke is this?
20:25Then let's do the same
20:27as the old
20:29constitutional matters were being seen.
20:31That is,
20:33under 184-3,
20:35first invent the doctrine of necessity.
20:37Although at that time
20:39the matter was in the book.
20:41Or leave that.
20:43This is what was being told
20:45in the last few days in 184-3
20:47that a ward boy will be put
20:49in a hospital.
20:51And the head of the kidney center
20:53who is a doctor from America
20:55has taken so many lakhs of salary.
20:57Or that
20:59the price of a sack of sugar
21:01will be this much.
21:03Or the sacks of flour
21:05will go from one province
21:07to another.
21:09This is 184-3.
21:11That is,
21:13with the support of these things,
21:15you send the elected prime ministers
21:17home.
21:19And no one should ask you
21:21that there should be a sensible bench
21:23that focuses and looks at the same
21:25matters in the same way.
21:27So what is there to worry about?
21:29And if this is wrong,
21:31then why did the chairman of his party
21:33and the general secretary of his party
21:35come on television and say
21:37that we have an agreement.
21:39That is, first it is an agreement,
21:41now it is not,
21:43this is a very strange thing.
21:45There is nothing
21:47on which you can say
21:49what was the purpose of this talk.
21:51It was not the purpose of Abu Sahab
21:53or Mr. Chaudhary.
21:55Who will decide this?
21:57Because it is your program,
21:59so you can decide.
22:01Sir, history will decide this.
22:03No, history will decide this.
22:05History will not do it.
22:07Doctor sir has the ability to talk.
22:09He has turned it around.
22:11Salman and Gauhar
22:13talked about this.
22:15They said that this draft has been
22:17improved from the previous draft.
22:19Murana did not say such things.
22:21Now Doctor Sahab is saying
22:23that there will be a sensible bench
22:25that will make the government.
22:27And in the case of the government,
22:29there will be a sensible bench
22:31because the government must have made it.
22:33So what is the answer to this?
22:35I am saying that this is not a debate.
22:37So Mr. Chaudhary,
22:39you are right to say that
22:41I will not say anything sensible.
22:45He is saying that you can do it,
22:47but right now there is no opportunity,
22:49no permission, no situation
22:51to let you do it.
22:53I am so famous for this
22:55that I can't think of anything sensible.
22:57Although I have done a lot.
22:59And you know
23:01that the person who is told
23:03to talk, he taught me.
23:05He is my friend, he is my brother.
23:07He did not teach me how to talk.
23:09Now if I do a little,
23:11I get worried.
23:13But I think that
23:15there should be a debate.
23:17What you are talking about
23:19will be discussed later.
23:21When you remember
23:23the first competition
23:25that came,
23:27there were 52 entries.
23:31How long did you talk
23:33about this bill in the Senate?
23:35When did you get that opportunity?
23:37Mr. Chaudhary, I am telling you.
23:39Believe me.
23:41So the conversation that was going on,
23:4322 were approved.
23:45Then there were some Islamic
23:47amendments that Maulana and PTI
23:49wanted to come.
23:51Then it was again 26 from 22.
23:53So 26 were approved,
23:55of which 4, 5, 6,
23:57which Maulana brought in the end,
23:59were those that PTI and Maulana
24:01had kept conditional
24:03that if these amendments are to be passed,
24:05then it will be in this form.
24:07And those amendments were passed.
24:09So when the debate starts,
24:11in our country,
24:13because the institutions do not work
24:15very well and well,
24:17then a committee of all parties
24:19was formed.
24:21That committee was found repeatedly
24:23and was found continuously for about two months,
24:25in which sometimes it was boycotted,
24:27sometimes it came back.
24:29But anyway, by meeting that party
24:31and by talking to the leaders
24:33of different political parties,
24:35by forming small committees,
24:37And by managing some votes from here and there.
24:39Yes.
24:41The 52 votes were presented
24:43in the form of 22,
24:45which then became 26
24:47on the faith of Fawad Chaudhary.
24:49So the 26 votes were passed.
24:51So these debates
24:53went on in the same way.
24:55Fawad Chaudhary has also come
24:57with such a beautiful consensus.
24:59You are not satisfied.
25:01Your problems are not over yet.
25:03The whole process of consensus
25:05has shocked you for two months.
25:09This is the problem.
25:11Dr. Abhi and PMLN,
25:13People's Party,
25:15they are on a different tangent.
25:17They think that people do not know.
25:19We are very clever.
25:21We will get the bill passed in the middle of the night.
25:23People will not know.
25:25We are very clever.
25:27When they suddenly appear in the assembly,
25:29they will give votes.
25:31What will people know?
25:33Here a person will be a witness.
25:35Attorney General will say that
25:37he will meet within 24 hours.
25:39He will turn into a Brahmin in the police opposition.
25:41So what people know?
25:43So these tricks are not obviously working.
25:45The problem is that people
25:47know exactly what tricks are happening and
25:49that's why their politics is failing.
25:53I will request again
25:55PMLN and People's Party, I hope, when they sit at home and ensure that no one else is listening to them,
26:04they will be worried about what we are doing to ourselves.
26:07Right, just a closing note, Doctor, are you a little worried or not?
26:10Especially the three-month-long laws that you are making, you should be a little worried, right?
26:17I was remembering the kind of laws that were introduced in my brother's time
26:23and I was remembering the comments of the military courts on the executive of the PTI government.
26:34I was also remembering the media bills.
26:37And one was very good, I don't know which article 5 or 7 was put up,
26:42that the opposition has no right to vote in this assembly because they are traitors.
26:50If there was an investigation, you would have come to the same conclusion.
26:54We are getting out of these mistakes. I think Dr. Chaudhary is also saying the same thing.
27:01That's it, Dr. Chaudhary, you are hoping that when the leadership is sitting,
27:06by the way, the leadership is all London and America,
27:09so when they are sitting, someone is sitting in Dubai,
27:12so let's see if you get a chance at some time,
27:16and you can talk about what you are doing.
27:30Let's end this segment on this note.
27:33Let's go to the break.
27:36When we come back, it will be the election of America.
27:38After three days, it will be decided who will be the next president of the United States.
27:44We will talk about the situation in the Pakistani community regarding the election.
27:49Where is the wind going? We will talk about this.
27:52Stay with us after the break.
27:58Welcome back.
27:59There are two days left in the US presidential election.
28:01It is a neck-to-neck competition between the two presidential candidates.
28:04Let's take a quick look at what the surveys say about this.
28:07According to the Florida University election lab,
28:09more than 73 million Americans have already cast their votes by the week.
28:14According to the latest poll tracker of 538 on the national level,
28:18Kamala Harris is one point ahead of Donald Trump.
28:21None of the two presidential candidates are in a position to win 50% of the electoral college, according to the poll.
28:29Kamala Harris's average is 47.9%,
28:32while Trump's average is 46.6%.
28:37According to the Reuters survey, Kamala Harris is one point ahead of Trump with 44%.
28:44Similarly, according to the New York Times survey, Kamala Harris is 49% ahead,
28:48while Donald Trump is second with 48%.
28:52According to The Economist survey, Kamala Harris is 48.7% ahead,
28:56while Donald Trump is 47.2% behind.
29:00Before this, Trump's support was considered less in the 2016 and 2020 polls.
29:05However, when the results came out, Trump won in one election,
29:08and lost in the other.
29:09And the decision is made in the swing states.
29:12These are the swing states that will decide the American election.
29:18Trump is ahead in Nevada, Trump is ahead in Pennsylvania,
29:22Harris is ahead in Michigan,
29:24Trump is ahead in North Carolina,
29:26Trump is ahead in Georgia,
29:27and Trump is ahead in Arizona.
29:29According to the Pew Research,
29:31we cannot say for sure what the final results of the election will be.
29:35Let's try to understand the essence of it.
29:38Dr. Adil Lajjum is with us from America.
29:40Thank you for joining us, Dr. Lajjum.
29:42The American politics is more polarized than the politics of Pakistan,
29:47and there is a lot of commotion.
29:50What is the sense of what you are seeing there?
29:53Is it difficult to predict?
29:56Should we leave it till the election day?
29:59No, it is very easy to predict.
30:01I will do it in a minute.
30:02But what you said earlier,
30:04I was saying somewhere else as well,
30:05I think the desire of American politics is that
30:07when they grow up, they become like Pakistani politics.
30:10So America is trying its best to follow us,
30:14to follow us and do things like us.
30:17So that is happening.
30:18Why is it easy to predict?
30:20It is easy to predict because this is a close election.
30:23No one knows what will happen.
30:25This is the prediction.
30:26And if someone tells you,
30:28including these polls,
30:29I will apologize,
30:31these polls are as bad as my analysis.
30:34The point is,
30:37the country is so divided,
30:40I will not even be surprised
30:43if the swing states start swinging apart from them.
30:46I am certain,
30:49I used to say in response to this,
30:51I will tell you on 5th.
30:52I am not sure if I will be able to tell you on 5th
30:55who will win.
30:56Because apart from the polls,
30:58the polls have not been affected.
30:59For the past 10 years,
31:00all over the world,
31:01this is a matter of technology,
31:02there is nothing special about it.
31:04We saw it in our country,
31:05we saw it in India,
31:06we saw it in Georgia last week,
31:07we saw it in the last two American elections.
31:09Polls have become unreliable
31:11because our technologies have changed.
31:13Polls only tell you what the person you asked is saying.
31:16They don't tell you whether you have to vote or not.
31:19This election will be decided by those people
31:22who might decide that I don't want to vote.
31:24Those people,
31:26including many Muslims and Pakistanis,
31:29who are so frustrated with this weakened politics,
31:33not only of personality,
31:35but on issues like Gaza,
31:37on issues like Ukraine,
31:39on issues like women's rights,
31:41that they say,
31:42I don't want to vote for either.
31:44And that block might change.
31:46If it happens,
31:47it will probably benefit Trump.
31:49But the point is,
31:51this confusion,
31:53this is a deep confusion.
31:56This is not a confusion that we don't know.
31:58This is a confusion that the country is scattered.
32:00And the real question is,
32:02that on the next day of the election,
32:04will American politics be stable?
32:06Amrukh Mohammad Naseem Khan says that it will be stable.
32:09At this time,
32:10the world is saying,
32:11will your politics be stable or not?
32:14And it seems that on 5th, 6th, 7th November,
32:18instability will increase.
32:20Stability will not increase.
32:22This is a very disturbing thing.
32:24Because if we say more than the pre-election,
32:26definitely,
32:27except when we saw that Bush and Al Gore's case
32:30went to court,
32:31it is very clear.
32:32And its results are accepted.
32:34Stability comes.
32:35This time, for the first time,
32:37it is being said in the name of Trump
32:39that even if the results are not accepted,
32:41so this is also a kind of Pakistanism.
32:44You have put Shahid in Murawat.
32:48There is no Shahid in his language.
32:50It is a very clear thing.
32:52See, whatever the instability is,
32:54which I am saying,
32:55it does not mean that there is extremism.
32:57Maybe the result will be announced,
32:59but the government will remain unstable,
33:01whatever happens.
33:02See, two things can happen.
33:03Either Trump does not win.
33:05So he has already said that if I do not win,
33:08then I will not agree.
33:10Otherwise,
33:11what you will see day after tomorrow,
33:13what you will see two days later,
33:15the program will be that the result will not be accepted.
33:18Even if he wins,
33:19he will not agree.
33:20He will say that it has been handled.
33:22He has already learned from the last election,
33:24from 2020,
33:25and a bureaucratic platform has also been created in it.
33:28So it is inevitable that the big news,
33:30which you will program on two days later,
33:32is that this has been cheated,
33:34this has been handled,
33:35this has been done,
33:36even if he wins,
33:37but certainly if he does not win.
33:39Let us say that he wins,
33:40and he becomes president.
33:42So,
33:43certainly instability will come
33:45because of their vengeance.
33:47See,
33:48you have heard their speech
33:49of the last four months.
33:51I will not touch you.
33:52I will break your legs.
33:54We will do this to you.
33:56We will throw them out.
33:58So, there is a lot of angst,
34:00including the official circles,
34:02which you call the establishment,
34:03that a vengeful politics will come.
34:05So,
34:06if Kamala Harris wins,
34:08instability will come
34:09by the other side,
34:10saying that we do not agree.
34:12If he wins,
34:14instability will remain
34:16with this sense of fear
34:18that all these things have happened,
34:20either or it was just a slogan.
34:22Right.
34:23And,
34:24probably if it was not,
34:25so what I am saying is
34:26that instability is inbuilt,
34:27and when it is in a country like America,
34:29its value
34:30will be lowered here.
34:31Because their politics
34:32and their election
34:33have an effect on other countries
34:34and also on the policy,
34:35Doctor.
34:37If the election is taking place in America,
34:40here,
34:41there is a certain atmosphere,
34:42some statements,
34:43some statements,
34:44that maybe
34:45if Trump wins,
34:46then there will be a direct effect
34:48on the politics of Pakistan,
34:49and there will be some scope
34:51for justice.
34:53What is the understanding
34:54in this regard?
34:55What are the conversations there?
34:56If I ask in the Pakistani community.
34:59There is a lot of conversation
35:00in the Pakistani community.
35:01The Pakistani community
35:02is eating and eating,
35:03and this is what they do,
35:04conversation.
35:05There is no conversation
35:06in American politics.
35:07Not even remotely.
35:08Donald Trump also does not know this.
35:10In your opinion,
35:11this 80-year-old man
35:12is fighting the election
35:13so that he can save the world
35:14under the leadership
35:15of Imran Khan,
35:16or Nawaz Sharif.
35:17There is also a rumor
35:18that Nawaz Sharif
35:19has come to America
35:20because of this.
35:21So,
35:22in the American election,
35:23any politician,
35:24his 1,
35:252,
35:263,
35:274,
35:28372 issues,
35:29there is no mention
35:30of Pakistan in them.
35:31Now,
35:32if because of our own circumstances,
35:34something happens,
35:35then certainly,
35:36Donald Trump
35:37will take credit for it.
35:38And maybe,
35:39the PTI
35:40will benefit
35:41and give them
35:42credit for something.
35:43But,
35:44in a practical,
35:45political sense,
35:46I am not talking
35:47about Imran Khan,
35:48I am talking
35:49about Pakistan.
35:50Look,
35:51any political value,
35:52in this entire election,
35:53there is no political
35:54issue at all.
35:55If you listen
35:56to the last three months,
35:57this is the election
35:58of Tutu Mehmeh,
35:59right?
36:00So,
36:01there is no
36:02political value
36:03in the election
36:04of Tutu Mehmeh.
36:05So,
36:06unfortunately,
36:07it is a very
36:08pathetic
36:09state of affairs.
36:10But,
36:11I will request,
36:12this is not
36:13just about
36:14America.
36:15What I keep
36:16saying is,
36:17that this
36:18electoral politics
36:19has become
36:20a problem
36:21in the world.
36:22Technologies,
36:23especially social
36:24media,
36:25but because
36:26of other things,
36:27this four-year
36:28cycle,
36:29and the way
36:30we do it,
36:31it has become
36:32not relevant
36:33or redundant.
36:34Because,
36:35our attention
36:36span is
36:37six minutes.
36:38Look,
36:39I can hold
36:40a gathering
36:41in which my
36:42first speaker
36:43comes and
36:44abuses a group
36:45a lot.
36:46For example,
36:47they say
36:48such words
36:49about Palestinians
36:50that cannot
36:51even be repeated.
36:52And,
36:53half an hour
36:54after that,
36:55in that same
36:56gathering,
36:57in front of the
36:58same crowd,
36:59a candidate
37:00or another
37:01thinks,
37:02how can
37:03you pull
37:04it off?
37:05You can pull
37:06it off because
37:07our training
37:08on Twitter and
37:09Facebook is
37:10that when
37:11a news
37:12goes up,
37:13you forget
37:14it.
37:15Now,
37:16look at the
37:17next scene
37:18where a monkey
37:19is dancing.
37:20So,
37:21what I'm
37:22saying is,
37:23the attention
37:24span of
37:25politics is
37:26so little.
37:27So,
37:28it's reshaping
37:29the overall
37:30image of
37:31the country.
37:32So,
37:33I'm
37:34saying
37:35that
37:36the
37:37attention
37:38span of
37:39politics is
37:40so little.
37:41So,
37:42it's
37:43reshaping
37:44the overall
37:45image of
37:46the country.
37:47So,
37:48I'm
37:49saying
37:50that
37:51the
37:52attention
37:53span of
37:54politics is
37:55so little.
37:56So,
37:57I'm
37:58saying that
37:59the
38:00attention
38:01span of
38:02politics is
38:03so little.
38:04So,
38:05I'm
38:06saying that
38:07the
38:08attention
38:09span of
38:10politics is
38:11so little.
38:12So,
38:13I'm
38:14saying that
38:15the
38:16attention
38:17span of
38:18politics is
38:19so little.
38:20So,
38:21I'm
38:22saying that
38:23the
38:24attention
38:25span of
38:26politics is
38:27so little.
38:28So,
38:29I'm
38:30saying that
38:31the
38:32attention
38:33span of
38:34politics is
38:35so little.
38:36So,
38:37I'm
38:38saying that
38:39the
38:40attention
38:41span of
38:42politics is
38:43so little.
38:44So,
38:45I'm
38:46saying that
38:47the
38:48attention
38:49span of
38:50politics is
38:51so little.
38:52So,
38:53I'm
38:54saying that
38:55the
38:56attention
38:57span of
38:58politics is
38:59so little.
39:00So,
39:01I'm
39:02saying that
39:03the
39:04attention
39:05span of
39:06politics is
39:07so little.
39:08So,
39:09I'm
39:10saying that
39:11the
39:12attention
39:13span of
39:14politics is
39:15so little.
39:16So,
39:17I'm
39:18saying that
39:19the
39:20attention
39:21span of
39:22politics is
39:23so little.
39:24So,
39:25I'm
39:26saying that
39:27the
39:28attention
39:29span of
39:30politics is
39:31so little.
39:32So,
39:33I'm
39:34saying that
39:35the
39:36attention
39:37span of
39:38politics is
39:39so little.
39:40So,
39:41I'm
39:42saying that
39:43the
39:44attention
39:45span of
39:46politics is
39:47so little.
39:48So,
39:49I'm
39:50saying that
39:51the
39:52attention
39:53span of
39:54politics is
39:55so little.
39:56So,
39:57I'm
39:58saying that
39:59the
40:00attention
40:01span of
40:02politics is
40:03so little.
40:04So,
40:05I'm
40:06saying that
40:07the
40:08attention
40:09span of
40:10politics is
40:11so little.
40:12So,
40:13I'm
40:14saying that
40:15the
40:16attention
40:17span of
40:18politics is
40:19so little.
40:20So,
40:21I'm
40:22saying that
40:23the
40:24attention
40:25span of
40:26politics is
40:27so little.
40:28So,
40:29I'm
40:30saying that
40:31the
40:32attention
40:33span of
40:34politics is
40:35so little.
40:36So,
40:37I'm
40:38saying that
40:39the
40:40attention
40:41span of
40:42politics is
40:43so little.
40:44So,
40:45I'm
40:46saying that
40:47the
40:48attention
40:49span of
40:50politics is
40:51so little.
40:52So,
40:53I'm
40:54saying that
40:55the
40:56attention
40:57span of
40:58politics is
40:59so little.
41:00So,
41:01I'm
41:02saying that
41:03the
41:04attention
41:05span of
41:06politics is
41:07so little.
41:08So,
41:09I'm
41:10saying that
41:11the
41:12attention
41:13span of
41:14politics is
41:15so little.
41:16So,
41:17I'm
41:18saying that
41:19the
41:20attention
41:21span of
41:22politics is
41:23so little.
41:24So,
41:25I'm
41:26saying that
41:27the
41:28attention
41:29span of
41:30politics is
41:31so little.
41:32So,
41:33I'm
41:34saying that
41:35the
41:36attention
41:37span of
41:38politics is
41:39so little.
41:40So,
41:41I'm
41:42saying that
41:43the
41:44attention
41:45span of
41:46politics is
41:47so little.
41:48So,
41:49I'm
41:50saying that
41:51the
41:52attention
41:53span of
41:54politics is
41:55so little.
41:56So,
41:57I'm
41:58saying that
41:59the
42:00attention
42:01span of
42:02politics is
42:03so little.
42:04So,
42:05I'm
42:06saying that
42:07the
42:08attention
42:09span of
42:10politics is
42:11so little.
42:12So,
42:13I'm
42:14saying that
42:15the
42:16attention
42:17span of
42:18politics is
42:19so little.
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