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New book: Trump called Putin up to seven times after leaving White House
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10/9/2024
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00:00
What was he doing on these calls, and why so many of them?
00:04
It's fair to ask, of course, if it's true.
00:06
I don't know if it's true.
00:07
I know it's his reporting.
00:08
It's the same thing with John Kerry
00:10
when he was meeting with the Iranian officials
00:12
after he was out of office.
00:14
It's fair to ask.
00:15
We know what's he talking about, and I guess
00:17
it's fair to ask for sure.
00:18
Yeah, I mean, I should note that Trump called that illegal
00:22
when Kerry did it.
00:23
He said it was a police call.
00:25
OK, and obviously the Trump campaign
00:27
has put out a statement that it was false.
00:28
So I'm not sure if it's true or not.
00:31
But I will say that Mrs. Harris was sent over to stop the war,
00:35
and shortly after there, Putin invaded,
00:37
as he did under Obama and Biden.
00:38
So it's my opinion that the next president, and hopefully
00:42
it will be Donald Trump, has the ability to speak to Putin.
00:45
And I know that's a dirty word in a lot of circles,
00:47
which is sort of ridiculous, because you
00:49
need to be speaking to your enemy, of course.
00:52
And I think that Donald Trump, as opposed to Harris,
00:54
has the ability to potentially stop World War III.
00:57
And that's what I'm betting on.
00:57
Well, first of all, she was over there
00:59
to warn Zelensky about the upcoming invasion.
01:02
So that's oddly inaccurate.
01:04
It's not oddly inaccurate.
01:05
That's absolutely not true.
01:06
No, she was over there to talk.
01:08
She was over there for a show of force
01:11
to deter Putin from invading.
01:12
That's why she was there.
01:13
Because people didn't believe that they were going to invade,
01:15
and they had intelligence, including in the Woodward book,
01:18
about this.
01:19
The second thing is, he's a private citizen.
01:21
He shouldn't be talking to Vladimir Putin.
01:23
That's just really pretty much basic stuff.
01:25
He also shouldn't be meeting with other world leaders.
01:28
He's not been.
01:29
We have a government.
01:30
That happens all the time, by the way.
01:31
I understand that.
01:32
But this is a unique situation.
01:33
I think also, like, an adversary.
01:34
Does Obama meet with world leaders?
01:35
All the time.
01:36
But not in the same fashion.
01:37
He's got an adversary.
01:39
That's the question here is, an adversary like,
01:42
I'm asking you, an adversary like Vladimir Putin,
01:45
does that not change the calculus here?
01:47
Yeah, I don't love the optics of him talking to Putin,
01:50
just to be honest.
01:51
And by the way, in the middle of a war.
01:52
There's like a war going on.
01:54
But it's not surprising to me that a former US
01:56
president, Republican or Democrat,
01:58
would have conversations with world leaders
02:01
that they had some relationship with.
02:03
I know the book also sort of made a big deal out of this
02:06
idea that he sent these COVID tests or whatever to Putin.
02:09
But I've been wondering, yeah, the machines.
02:11
I've been wondering, though, today,
02:13
what is more concerning, these conversations
02:16
and these COVID machines, or the fact
02:19
that we've been sending billions to the Iranians who are now
02:22
funding terrorism and attacking our biggest ally.
02:25
And Kamala Harris goes on TV and says,
02:27
this is our biggest geopolitical foe, which it's not.
02:30
But the relationship between Biden and Obama and Harris
02:35
and the Iranians, to me, is far more troubling than this Putin
02:38
issue.
02:39
You're talking about the Iran nuclear deal.
02:41
And you're talking about the unfreezing of Iranian assets.
02:44
That's not the same thing as Obama sending billions
02:47
of dollars to Iran.
02:49
But Congressman, I'm curious what you think about all this.
02:51
I mean, obviously, I don't think
02:52
you should have been talking to him seven times.
02:54
But the bigger issue is, what does he
02:55
want to do going forward?
02:57
Because he keeps saying he wants to end the war.
02:59
Well, what does that mean?
03:00
Does he mean, OK, we're going to give away a fifth of Ukraine?
03:03
Because that's what Putin wants.
03:05
And then if he does that and he ends the war on those terms,
03:08
then are we going to say, OK, China, if you invade Taiwan,
03:11
I'll tell you what, you can have a fifth of Taiwan
03:13
and we'll end the war?
03:14
He's never answered the question,
03:16
end the war on what terms?
03:18
And if someone, if he has a solution,
03:21
then share it with us.
03:22
Yeah, I think that that's such an important point.
03:24
Because, I mean, look, the retrospective part of this
03:27
is interesting.
03:28
But it is a question of, Trump has been saying for months
03:32
that he has some special relationship with Putin,
03:34
that he would release the political prisoners,
03:37
that he would be able to solve this war in 24 hours.
03:39
Let me just play a little bit about what
03:41
Trump has been saying about his relationship
03:43
with Putin of late.
03:46
I know Putin very well.
03:47
I have a good relationship.
03:48
And they respect your president, OK?
03:51
They respect me.
03:52
They don't respect Biden.
03:53
I got to know President Xi of China and Putin of Russia.
03:58
Got to know a lot of the leaders.
04:00
They're tough cookies and smart.
04:02
We have a very good relationship.
04:04
And I also have a very good relationship, as you know,
04:07
with President Putin.
04:08
I hope we have more good relations.
04:11
We're going to have.
04:11
Oh, I see.
04:12
Yeah, but, you know, it takes two to tango.
04:16
I think the thing that is, it's just incredible.
04:19
What is he going to do?
04:20
What is the actual plan?
04:21
Can I say something about Americans?
04:23
I'll be brief here.
04:24
The only thing I'll say is that I
04:25
think the reason why former presidents talking
04:28
to international and foreign leaders
04:31
might happen all the time.
04:33
The difference here is Donald Trump
04:35
is running to be the president again.
04:37
And so what conversations is he having after he got out
04:40
of office making deals that might be undermining
04:43
our current government?
04:44
That is the thing that makes me, that hasn't really
04:46
been brought up in this conversation,
04:48
that makes me very concerned.
04:49
And I think deserves a bit more scrutiny than an Obama,
04:56
than a Bush having a conversation
04:58
with another foreign leader.
04:59
So I think it is, I think Roe is correct here.
05:01
Or not correct, excuse me.
05:02
I think he has a great point when he's like,
05:04
what's the plan, right?
05:05
But it's important to say, if you're negotiating something,
05:08
or if you're going to, let's say he becomes a president
05:10
and he has to negotiate the end, or peace, or something
05:13
like that, you're not just going to throw your plan out there.
05:15
That is kind of ridiculous that you would say.
05:17
But he owes the American people more details
05:20
other than saying, I'm just going to snap my fingers
05:22
and it'll be solved.
05:23
That is not how, I don't think that passes
05:26
any kind of leadership for any person, really.
05:29
I understand that we want to hear more.
05:31
I understand Zelensky wants to hear more.
05:33
But here's the reality, and Putin's the devil.
05:35
People have been saying that for months.
05:37
If you even said his name, it was bad.
05:38
You can't talk to him.
05:40
But the reality is, more likely than not,
05:43
unless we're in nuclear war, there
05:44
will be a political negotiated peace settlement.
05:48
And how that goes down, what it looks like, what the plan is,
05:53
you can't say it right now, because you just don't know.
05:55
It's unrealistic to say, what's your plan for the peace
05:57
settlement right now?
05:59
Put all your cards on the table right now.
06:00
It's just unrealistic.
06:01
Except you'd want that specificity from Kamala Harris.
06:03
And here's the thing.
06:04
I don't, I don't either.
06:05
Let me just say this.
06:06
I don't want that.
06:08
Let me just say, I am a lesbian from San Francisco,
06:11
and happy International Lesbian Day today.
06:13
Happy International Lesbian Day.
06:14
I have to tell you, you may not realize this,
06:16
but Russia is our enemy.
06:17
They really, truly are.
06:18
And you can talk to them.
06:19
They are.
06:20
They absolutely are.
06:21
They do all kinds of things.
06:23
I didn't say you didn't have to speak to them.
06:25
But you have to understand, it is a, they are our adversary.
06:28
They're our absolute adversary.
06:30
I can't believe I'm more conservative than you on this.
06:32
So is China.
06:33
You aren't more conservative than me.
06:34
I'm not someone who just had to put a Ukraine
06:36
flag in my front yard.
06:38
Because the reality is, for the last few years, as Ro knows,
06:42
I've been helping out substantially
06:44
in that conflict.
06:45
So trust me when I say to you, I'm more conservative than you.
06:49
I want to end that.
06:50
But the reality is, it will be a political solution.
06:52
Of course.
06:53
That's what's going to happen.
06:53
I think you're both making correct points.
06:56
I agree with you.
06:56
They are the enemy.
06:57
And I agree with you.
06:58
We do have to talk to them.
07:00
I think the point Trump has continuously made
07:03
is, I will command more respect from all parties involved
07:06
than Harris or that Biden has.
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