00:00During his time, if he gets through to her,
00:03she'll remember him with such poignancy
00:05that likely she will become amazing.
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00:16I would love to start with you, Mr. Fraser.
00:17Your movements in this movie tell a complete story.
00:22They are laborious, and they are painful,
00:23and we literally feel them through the screen.
00:25And so I'm wondering what some of the notes were
00:28that Darren gave you early in the process
00:30as you guys were trying to figure out the prosthetics
00:32and capture or achieve what he wanted to capture.
00:35Interesting, because when we did the first makeup test,
00:37it took six hours to get into it.
00:40Eventually, we got it down to four
00:43when we worked on the day, about an hour to get out of it.
00:45But that it was built one-to-one
00:48to be cumbersome for the actor to wear,
00:50that it was made, fabricated with such an exacting attention
00:56that the size and placement of the very pores itself
00:59on his body and the applications that went on to me,
01:03all in service of authenticity,
01:06always with the mandate that the look of this character
01:10obey the laws of physics and gravity,
01:12whereas we don't really see that done previously in films,
01:16which are often in service of a one-note joke
01:18and a little bit mean-spirited, in my view.
01:20Sure, sure.
01:21This is clearly not that.
01:24A simple thing that we learned was that
01:26unless Charlie's fingers were active a little bit,
01:31where there's some tension in there or they were crossed,
01:34I could never just let them rest, as you would do,
01:37without your eye going to it and going,
01:39hmm, that may look a bit like a fabrication or, you know.
01:44Interesting.
01:45It needed to be vital inside of it all.
01:46And we had Darren Aronofsky, who said to me in this year
01:50that if he was not a film director,
01:52he would have been a baseball umpire
01:54because he sees everything.
01:56That, I can tell you, a 360 fish eye,
01:59he can take it all in, sharp relief.
02:01He knows the answer and he knows the call from home plate,
02:03but he's also a great coach, a great collaborator.
02:09You know, once we had the body of Charlie
02:11and his corporal being down,
02:14then we can go work more internally.
02:16And that's the domain of what Sam Hunter has written
02:20and worked on for many years for the productions
02:22of the whale that were on stage that have been adapted
02:25for the screen for the first time by him.
02:28Right, right.
02:29And Sam, to that end, it's, you know,
02:31it's rare to get to the end of a story
02:33and then just so desperately need to know
02:34what happens next.
02:36And I'm curious if you have thought at all
02:38about where Ellie goes and maybe even had some conversations
02:42with either Sadie or Darren about that.
02:44Not really.
02:45Not that I can recall.
02:46I mean, I think there's just,
02:48I think with all of my plays,
02:50I never really make decisions about where,
02:53what happens afterward.
02:54You know what I mean?
02:56I think storytelling is,
02:57kind of the amazing thing of it is like,
02:59you just get this like section of this person's humanity
03:03and it's not my job to deliver anything
03:05other than that section.
03:06And in fact, if I were to like say anything
03:09or impose upon that,
03:10I think that's kind of taking away something
03:12for the audience.
03:13You know what I mean?
03:14Like I'm only giving them a specific limited portrait.
03:20And I think that's what I love about drama
03:23is that like, there's so many different perspectives.
03:27There's so many different voices.
03:28Like I'm not, there's no authorial voice
03:31or at least there shouldn't be in dramas.
03:33There shouldn't be an authorial voice
03:34telling the audience what to think
03:36or what to believe or what to feel.
03:38I think that's up to the very complicated matrix
03:41of these five people.
03:43Oh my God.
03:44We didn't discuss it, but it keeps me up at night.
03:45I have no clue.
03:47I think there's so much potential in Ellie to,
03:51you know, be a really honest, good person.
03:56Brendan's theory is that she becomes
03:58this incredible, strong writer,
03:59goes on to be an author.
04:01There's another theory that she just continues on her,
04:05you know, her bad path.
04:09I think I do, I do have hope in her
04:13after this week that she has with Charlie.
04:14I think she learned a lot about herself
04:17and was able to kind of let her guard down,
04:20but most importantly, just get closure
04:23from her relationship with her father.
04:26But yeah, that's what's next for Ellie.
04:28Hopefully all good things.
04:30No, I know.
04:31In a way, I want to see it, but I don't want to see it.
04:33Right, right.
04:34I'm a little nervous.
04:35Yeah.
04:36I let my imagination go a little bit wild, Sam,
04:39to tell you the truth,
04:40because I believe that Charlie believes in his daughter,
04:43not just because she's his daughter,
04:45but I do firmly believe that he realizes that, yes,
04:49she will care about people.
04:50Yes, the people will love her,
04:53but yes, he also realizes she's talented
04:57in ways that she is not even aware of yet.
05:01And during his time, if he gets through to her,
05:05she'll remember him with such poignancy
05:07that likely she will become the amazing author,
05:11author, great mind in the making
05:15of how she just even represents herself
05:18when she scribbles something in a notebook
05:20that turns out to be,
05:23whether it's by design or accident,
05:27a pretty clever haiku.
05:28She has poetry within her.
05:32She has unrealized potential.
05:34And that's how I feel aspirant and positive
05:38about what became of her
05:40after clearly a portrait of her fraught youth
05:45and understanding herself and her father.
05:48People are incapable of not caring.
05:52In this story, I really do feel like Charlie's apartment
05:54was something that we felt.
05:56And so I'm wondering as performers,
05:58and maybe Sadie, start with you,
05:59can you be inspired by a location?
06:01Can you play off of a set
06:03the way that you would like a human co-star?
06:05Absolutely.
06:06I think for Ellie, the apartment's tricky
06:10because when she walks into the apartment,
06:12she's looking at everything that her father left her for.
06:18So it's a really dark space for her to be in,
06:21but it's also, it was,
06:23I remember the first day that we got to see it all
06:25with the set dressing, the props, everything.
06:27It was like a playground.
06:28It was so fun.
06:31But yeah, I think part of just kind of staying
06:35in that one space,
06:37it gets, you know, you have to be a little creative
06:40for Darren and Maddie, the DP,
06:42like the angles that they use,
06:45and for us, where we were walking,
06:47what space we were utilizing.
06:50But yeah, I agree with you.
06:51I think the apartment is definitely a character of itself.
06:55Holland, did you feel that way as well, too,
06:57when you had to spend time in the apartment?
06:59Did you feel as constrained
07:00as I think we all are supposed to?
07:03That was definitely intentional.
07:05And I think also because Brendan's character
07:08is pretty stationary for a lot of the story,
07:12we sort of had to orbit him,
07:14and part of rehearsal was just figuring out
07:18what the best way to do that was.
07:21Liz in this movie is such a complicated character,
07:24and her relationship with Charlie, of course,
07:25is extremely complicated.
07:26And I'm wondering at what point in the process
07:29did you feel like you fully understood her,
07:32or did you ever get to that point?
07:35I think I did.
07:37I understood the complexity of that relationship
07:40where Liz, at times, was an enabler for Charlie.
07:50In my own life, I've definitely had to tell family members,
07:53like, you need to go to the doctor.
07:54Why haven't you gone to the doctor?
07:56And so that rang so true to me,
08:02those moments and even the moments
08:05when she's bringing him food that's not really healthy.
08:12And I just think they have such a long history
08:18with each other and a complicated and painful history
08:23that they share that she really wants to comfort him
08:30in any way that she can.
08:31And so I think because she's doing it out of love,
08:35it can really blind her to just the unhealthy aspects of it.
08:45I'm burning the kicking out.
08:46I just need to know, were those your feet
08:48that stepped into the ocean?
08:49Did you get to do that?
08:50And was it rewarding?
08:51Indeed they were.
08:52That was a nice day at the beach.
08:54And I should say also, that's Sadie's little sister
08:57playing little Sadie.
08:59Is it really?
09:01That's great.
09:02Keep it in the family.
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