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Host:
- Khawar Ghumman - Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain
Guest:
- Fawad Chaudhry (Politician)
Reserved Seats Case par Supreme Court kay Faislay Par implement Ho payega? Fawad Chaudhry's opinion
Can the Supreme Court seek military assistance to enforce its decision? Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
"Imran Khan Kay Baghair Pakistan Ki Siyasat ka Agay Barhna Na Mumkin Hai" Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Khawar Ghumman - Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain
Guest:
- Fawad Chaudhry (Politician)
Reserved Seats Case par Supreme Court kay Faislay Par implement Ho payega? Fawad Chaudhry's opinion
Can the Supreme Court seek military assistance to enforce its decision? Fawad Chaudhry's Analysis
"Imran Khan Kay Baghair Pakistan Ki Siyasat ka Agay Barhna Na Mumkin Hai" Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
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00:00As-Salaam-Alaikum dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:15Dear viewers, today is the 10th day of Ashoor.
00:18According to the latest reports, Alhamdulillah, the whole country is being celebrated in a
00:23respectful and peaceful manner.
00:25Dear viewers, we get two messages in the incident of Karbala.
00:30In the incident of Hijri in 1961, what is the message?
00:36One message is that you have to speak the truth in front of the tyrant rulers.
00:42And the second message is that your power is not your right, but your right is your power.
00:49This is the message that the Prophet Muhammad gave us.
00:54And with that message, as long as this world is established, this message will continue to spread.
01:01And those people who have Yazid and Yazidi thinking, they will continue to gather curses with every passing moment.
01:10And the light that was illuminated by the Prophet Muhammad, by Imam Ali Maqam,
01:16with every passing day, moment, week, year, month, you will see more light in it.
01:23And this was the message.
01:25And with that message, all of us Muslims will continue to spread that message.
01:30Viewers, let's move on to our program.
01:32Today we have invited Fawad Chaudhry, former Minister of Information, former Minister of Science and Technology,
01:39our friend, he is a part of Pakistan Justice.
01:43He says he is a part of Pakistan Justice.
01:45So we agree with him, his claim that he is a part of Pakistan Justice.
01:49His former colleagues or current colleagues are a little upset.
01:53But I think this anger will end when Bani PTI will come out of jail or meet.
01:59Basically, we got the opportunity to do this session with Fawad Chaudhry.
02:06The questions that we have to answer, the questions that are in our minds.
02:09The aim is that at this time, especially the politics of Pakistan,
02:14especially the judicial decisions that are taking place in the parliament,
02:19we will focus on that.
02:21Because respected Fawad Chaudhry is also a lawyer of the Supreme Court.
02:26And he knows Pakistan's legal and legal history very well.
02:32And he has a special view on its intricacies.
02:35So first of all, Mr. Chaudhry, I want to ask you a question.
02:40Since the last few days, since the decision of the special sessions has come,
02:45a very clear decision, full court bench, unprecedented, extraordinary,
02:49you have seen, not only in the whole of Pakistan, but also in the whole world,
02:53live streaming from both sides.
02:55You also add my question.
02:57Mr. Chaudhry, you have to do the whole program.
02:59You start for a minute.
03:01No, I said add it.
03:03No, sir, we will do it later.
03:05So there was a live streaming.
03:07Evidence was kept from both sides.
03:09And after that, a decision of 8-5 came with the majority.
03:13This was not even the decision of the past, that this is 5-4, 3-3-4.
03:17There is no confusion in it.
03:20And especially if you look at it, this decision is from 13-0.
03:25Because 13 judges, when they accept the parliamentary status of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Islam,
03:3011 have written and 13 judges have misinterpreted the election commission,
03:36the decision of 13 January by the Supreme Court,
03:38a consensus has been reached that this problem has arisen because of it.
03:43Mr. Chaudhry, now we are being told,
03:47and news is coming from a section of the media in a very strong way,
03:53that the Supreme Court, no matter if it is a full court bench,
03:58no matter if four new judges are being appointed,
04:02after their arrival, the 21-member bench that decides,
04:07there will be no action on such a decision.
04:10What is your opinion on this?
04:14Is there any lawyer?
04:16Can action be stopped on this decision of the Supreme Court?
04:19No legal, legal, political?
04:21At least we don't understand anything.
04:23Look, Khawar, it has actually happened that the last decision that the Supreme Court gave
04:29that the AP and Punjab had to hold elections within 90 days,
04:33it was not implemented.
04:35And you remember that the election commission and the non-league government
04:39did not hold the elections properly by violating the constitution.
04:44Now, by making him the president,
04:46it is being said that this decision will not be implemented either.
04:51But the difference is that where the Supreme Court wants to implement its decision,
04:56then the Supreme Court cannot be stopped.
04:58Yes, the judges should step back, they should not be implemented.
05:01The way there are numerous judgments of the Supreme Court,
05:04for example, the judgment of the 7-member bench of the Supreme Court
05:07that the terrorism law will only apply to the terrorist activity that it has defined.
05:14But you see that in the whole country,
05:16not a single terrorist is being tried.
05:19Only PTI people are appearing in terrorist groups along the lines every day.
05:24The Supreme Court's decision is not being implemented.
05:26So where the judges themselves decide that they do not want to implement it, then it is fine.
05:31But where the Supreme Court, like this decision here,
05:36whoever understands the politics of the Supreme Court,
05:41they know that this decision has a lot to do with the internal politics of the Supreme Court.
05:48And the way the judges extended their extension,
05:52the judicial package on which Irfan Qadar and Azam Tarar pointed out in their interviews,
06:00after that, the judiciary would have become a department under the administration
06:08if this decision had not come.
06:10But if this decision is not implemented by the Supreme Court,
06:13then it means that Pakistan will lose its position as the Supreme Court.
06:19And at that time, the issue was that since Mr. Bandyal was a very weak Chief Justice
06:27and there was no majority with him,
06:29the decision here is of the full court.
06:32And 125 judges, who are all the judges of Pakistan,
06:36they are acting now.
06:38And you must have felt that this reaction is not only from the Supreme Court,
06:42but it has now gone to the magistrate level.
06:45So the feeling that we will not allow the judiciary to be under the administration in any way,
06:53this has now gone to the judiciary in Pakistan.
06:58And the decisions they are coming to,
07:00they clearly express that they are not ready to make decisions based on the wishes of the administration.
07:06And I don't think that the 13-member bench of the Supreme Court
07:10will not act on this decision.
07:13And if they want to do it, then there is only one way to stop it.
07:17And that is that you throw out the law
07:20and put a marshal or put an emergency in the country.
07:22Nothing else.
07:23Absolutely right.
07:24Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshahan.
07:27Mr. Chaudhary, please tell us on what basis does the election commission
07:31tell the Supreme Court of Pakistan that it is non-binding
07:35and we will not act?
07:37What authority do they have?
07:40The election commission has not said anything like this yet.
07:42It has come from their sources.
07:44No, it has come from their sources.
07:47Yes, I want to tell you that they have certainly done an interesting job.
07:51Firstly, why did the PTI get these sessions?
07:55I think the government ministers who have held press conferences,
07:59they have not seen the proceedings of the Supreme Court.
08:02But since you have followed it,
08:04and as Khawar has just said, it has been seen,
08:06you have seen that this point was actually raised by the lawyer of the election commission
08:10that Mr. Bayezid Shah,
08:12while interpreting your judgment,
08:15we did not approve the PTI as a political party
08:18and we made the right decision.
08:20On which the Chief Justice himself was most surprised.
08:23He said that we had never said that you should interpret it like this.
08:28And after that, the debate in the three sessions,
08:31after that, it was revealed that if it was directly from the PTI
08:35and the interpretation was wrong by the election commission,
08:38then how can it be withheld?
08:40And this view prevailed of the majority.
08:43Now, the election commission immediately issued a press release through its own means
08:48and they said that we had never said that we did not approve the party.
08:52Although their own lawyer had put the opportunity in front of the Supreme Court
08:56that our interpretation was correct.
08:58So, I believe that the election commission could not brief its own lawyer
09:02or its own lawyer could not brief the election commission
09:05as to what their case is.
09:07And now, when all this has happened,
09:09the election commission does not have any authority.
09:12Even a civil judge, when he gives an order to the election commission,
09:15then the election commission is bound by it.
09:17Of course, the Supreme Court has a say.
09:19All the authorities in Pakistan, what is the law?
09:22What is the ultimate interpretation of the law?
09:24That is what the judges of the Supreme Court say.
09:27And that is why a judge of the American Supreme Court said that
09:30we are not fallible, but we are final.
09:32It is not that we are always right, but we are final.
09:35So, whatever the Supreme Court decides, it is final.
09:38It is not necessary that it is always right.
09:40Yes, please go.
09:41Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, please tell us,
09:43as you have said twice now,
09:45while answering Mr. Chaudhary and talking to Mr. Khawar Ghumman,
09:48that the current government wants to make the judiciary an institution in accordance with the administration.
09:54So, what was this judiciary?
09:56In the past, we have seen that it has never stood in front of an Amir.
10:01That is, before Mr. Iftikhar Chaudhary's judiciary,
10:05look at Mr. Parvez Musharraf,
10:07even if you talk about the High Court,
10:09which is accused of you,
10:11your own friend, Mr. Hamid Khan, PTA,
10:13I am pointing to your uncle.
10:15So, what kind of obstacles did he put in Musharraf's work,
10:17in any of his non-public work,
10:19or whatever work Parvez Alai did,
10:21tell me, was there anything like that?
10:23So, now, if, my question was not this,
10:25the main question is that,
10:27if the Supreme Court has to take action,
10:29on its decision,
10:31this matter of specific seats,
10:33so, can the army help the Supreme Court in this?
10:37First of all, Hassan,
10:39it is not right to say that
10:41in the entire history of Pakistan,
10:43the judiciary has never resisted.
10:45When the martial law is in place,
10:47then the circumstances are different.
10:49And the direction you are pointing to,
10:51at that time,
10:53the judiciary was under martial law.
10:55And that martial law was then
10:57validated by the parliament.
10:59After this, when the judiciary was established,
11:01then you know that
11:03an emergency martial law was imposed
11:05on Mr. Sukhar Chaudhary,
11:07and the judiciary
11:09resisted it a lot.
11:11Not only did the judiciary
11:13resist to such an extent,
11:15that General Parvez Musharraf
11:17was punished by the judiciary.
11:19And you should know that
11:21Mr. Parvez Musharraf was never punished
11:23for firing Nawaz Sharif.
11:25Actually, that decision was
11:27imposed on the parliament.
11:29Yes, exactly.
11:31The emergency martial law
11:33was imposed on the judiciary.
11:35After this,
11:37there is a continuous
11:39and it exists in all democratic countries,
11:41the freedom of the judiciary
11:43and the parliament.
11:45If you have seen in America,
11:47Biden is very angry
11:49about President Trump's decision.
11:51And he said that this decision
11:53is not right,
11:55but the decision will be upheld.
11:57So it is not right to say
11:59that the judiciary has never been established.
12:01And it is not right to say
12:03that the judiciary has always been established.
12:05Sir, my main question was
12:07that can the Supreme Court
12:09take the help of the army
12:11to implement the decision
12:13of the Supreme Court?
12:15Yes, it can.
12:17But what is the need
12:19to give orders to the army?
12:21At most, the Supreme Court
12:23will stop the Chief Election Commissioner
12:25and the members from working.
12:27And the Secretary Election Commissioner
12:29will give orders to the army.
12:31Let's come to this side.
12:33Mr. Chaudhary,
12:35Pakistan Muslim League
12:37has already discussed this.
12:39I would like to elaborate
12:41that you have to give orders to the army
12:43when you have to do physical work.
12:45There is no physical work here.
12:47There are only orders of the Supreme Court
12:49that you have to follow.
12:51You have to notify them
12:53about the orders of the Supreme Court.
12:55At most, the Chief Election Commissioner
12:57and his members will be suspended.
12:59And the Secretary Election Commissioner
13:01will follow the orders of the Supreme Court.
13:03There is no need for the army to do this.
13:05Hassan talks a lot about 9th May.
13:07The 9th May emergency
13:09was also imposed on 9th May.
13:11It was on 3rd November 2007.
13:17Let's come back to the same question.
13:19Pakistan Muslim League says
13:21that they have been treated unjustly
13:23by the Supreme Court.
13:25Therefore, they should be suspended.
13:27They went for a review.
13:29Keeping in mind the current situation
13:31of the Election Commission,
13:33can they also go for a review?
13:35Mr. Khabar, first you tell me
13:37what has been treated unjustly by the Supreme Court?
13:39Mr. Chaudhary, I will come to you.
13:45Mr. Fahad,
13:47there is going to be a meeting tomorrow.
13:49There is no detailed judgment on the options.
13:51The short order also has
13:53all the loopholes.
13:55All the issues have been addressed.
13:57But the review petition
13:59from the PMLN
14:01will be presented to us tomorrow.
14:03Will the implementation
14:05be stopped?
14:07What are the options for that?
14:09The election commission
14:11and the PMLN
14:13have gone for a review.
14:15Mr. Khabar, there is only one option.
14:17The 13 judges of the Supreme Court
14:19should keep their mouths shut
14:21and not implement.
14:23There is no other solution.
14:25As I told you,
14:27there is very little likelihood
14:29that the election commission
14:31will be able to decide
14:33on the Supreme Court's decision.
14:35It will have to be implemented.
14:37If it is not implemented,
14:39it will have consequences.
14:41The election commission and the PMLN
14:43are aware of the consequences.
14:45I am not saying
14:47that the election commission
14:49will ever implement the decision.
14:51Mr. Chaudhary,
14:53as you said,
14:55the rules are very clear.
14:57The elections should be held
14:59within 90 days.
15:01I remember
15:03when you were
15:05going to dissolve
15:07the Punjab and KP governments,
15:09I spoke to some people
15:11and told them
15:13to explain to the PTI
15:15that they will not get any election.
15:17They can sit in the governments.
15:19The legal and legal point
15:21was very clear.
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24:17Now, the problem is that PMLN
24:19has to rethink
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24:25PPP has made a big mistake
24:27by supporting
24:29Form 47.
24:31PPP has taken
24:33PTI's position
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24:37but they have taken their position from No. 2 to No. 3.
24:39If PPP
24:41had not allowed
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24:45PMLN would've got riled up
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24:49PMLN would've got riled up
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24:53If Bilawal Bhutto
24:55had been the opposition leader
24:57and PTI had been the PM,
24:59PPP would've emerged as a national emergency.
25:01PPP has saved the Moon League
25:03from its political policies.
25:05PPP has saved the Moon League
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25:09PPP has saved the Moon League
25:11from its political policies.
25:13Punjab revival will be impossible for Noom League.
25:19I don't understand what Noom League is doing.
25:24I want to go to a small break.
25:26Before going to the break, Hassan presented an argument that Bani PTI is disqualified.
25:31They are not relevant in politics.
25:33I remember it very well.
25:34Once, Hassan Yousaf spent lakhs of rupees to go to London.
25:41He was disqualified and he was a criminal.
25:46Khasul Khas took him to London.
25:53He was a criminal.
25:55He was not relevant in politics.
25:58Fawad Chaudhary was also talking about this.
26:00A political party's leader is either in jail or out of jail.
26:05Of course, politics works with leaders.
26:07After the break, we will continue with Fawad Chaudhary's questions.
26:12Stay with us.
26:17Welcome back.
26:18There are two big political parties, Pakistan Muslim League Noon and Pakistan People's Party.
26:23Without the support of the People's Party, the government of Pakistan Muslim League Noon cannot exist.
26:28It needs a number of 167.
26:29Until the people of the People's Party are involved, the number is not complete.
26:34Since the Supreme Court's decision, all the big leaders of Pakistan Muslim League Noon have been questioning the judgment.
26:46Where did this judgment come from?
26:48Judges have no knowledge of the law.
26:50I don't know where they got these things from.
26:53Mr. Atta Tariq is also raising this question.
26:56How do judges know that Mr. Tariq is a member of a political party?
27:23Where did this judgment come from?
27:27Judges have no knowledge of the law.
27:29I don't know where they got this judgment from.
27:31Judges have no knowledge of the law.
27:33I don't know where they got this judgment from.
27:36The Chief Minister, Murad Ali Shah, is saying that we have to get votes, seats and elections.
27:44We can't be a political party.
28:16So, Mr. Fawad Chowdhury, you are a lawyer and also a politician.
28:21So, what should be the criteria?
28:23The definition of a political party is to become a political party.
28:26What should the PTI do? Should it dance Khatak?
28:28Should it climb the mountains?
28:30I mean, should it shout something special?
28:32So that the PTI gets the certificate of a political party.
28:37Well, this is Article 17 of the Pakistani Constitution.
28:41All the criteria are mentioned in it.
28:44Mr. Atta Talat and Mr. Murad have not bothered to read it.
28:48Because if they had read it, they would not have said this.
28:52And the second thing is that this decision, as I said earlier,
28:56that this is a decision of 11-13.
28:59See, to accept a parliamentary party or a political party,
29:03this is what Mr. Faiz Issa did.
29:05Well, I will say this to Mr. Atta Talat and Mr. Murad,
29:09that you don't read anything else.
29:11If Mr. Mando Khel and Mr. Hassan Ayyub WhatsApp each other,
29:15then they should read the decision of Justice Mando Khel.
29:18Hassan also disagrees. He said that he disagrees with the decision of the Chief Justice.
29:22He has given his opinion on this.
29:24No, but as I said, we can say that we do not like this decision.
29:29But the final decision is of the Supreme Court.
29:32As I said earlier, they said that it is possible that we are fallible, but we are final.
29:37So, there is an inter-constitution that the Supreme Court will say.
29:40And that's why we say that the law is what the judge had in his breakfast.
29:43So, anyway, the judge has decided.
29:46You can get a review from him.
29:48If it is successful, then you will say that it is not.
29:50Okay, the second thing is that people have to decide on politics.
29:54Mr. Murad, whatever you say,
29:56the rank of a political party is made by the votes of a political party.
30:00And today, the reach of Imran Khan,
30:03the reach of Pakistan's justice system,
30:06this is what Mujibur Rahman got in Bangladesh after Pakistan.
30:12After Quaid-e-Azam, such popularity has never been found by anyone other than Imran Khan.
30:18And it is obvious that this is why Pakistan's political system has become so rigid
30:24that people are standing on one side,
30:26and we are putting their leader in jail and thinking that Pakistan will run.
30:31It is obvious that you cannot run with this system.
30:34And either you create an alternate system,
30:38and bring Imran Khan into inclusion.
30:41Otherwise, you can do a press conference and say that Imran Khan is not a leader.
30:46People do not believe this.
30:48People have made the real decision on 8th February.
30:52It is impossible to take that decision back
30:55until the decision is not implemented.
30:57The decision of the people on Pakistan's political side.
31:00Absolutely right.
31:01Ghulam Sain Sahib has been silent for a long time.
31:03Mr. Chaudhary, you can ask a question to Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
31:06And I have a question for you, Mr. Ghulam Sain.
31:09What should the PTI do to become a political party?
31:15If you have any idea, please tell us.
31:20We do not consider anyone other than them as a party
31:23because of what the people have done to them on 8th February.
31:26And the way they were beating them,
31:29we should be ashamed of it.
31:31But leave it, what do we have to do?
31:34These are three or four small questions.
31:36I am very fond of Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
31:39And as far as his intelligence is concerned,
31:43and I think that there are very few people,
31:46I do not know what happened.
31:48One thing is that his policy of attacking the party he is in,
31:54I do not think is a wise policy.
31:57First of all, he should answer that all the people are wrong,
32:00you are right.
32:01Secondly, Pakistan has to go on the path of law and order,
32:08and from here derailment,
32:10martial law or any other form that can be worse,
32:13it has to fall into its own hands.
32:15Because when you are talking to us,
32:18many MNAs have been broken into their homes and they are being picked up.
32:22So this can be called anything but democracy.
32:52So if you think it is appropriate, answer it today.
33:23How did we get back on track?
33:25Now you are talking about criticism of justice.
33:29First of all, my criticism is that your politics does not govern your legal strategy.
33:42Your political strategy tells your legal strategy what you have to do.
33:47Now the problem here is that every day for months,
33:51a lawyer comes and says that Imran Khan will come out after the Eid,
33:55he will come out after the small Eid,
33:57it should not be like this.
33:59And sometimes we feel that we will not talk to someone,
34:02we will talk to the establishment, we will talk to them.
34:06All this is the political wisdom of the PTI,
34:10despite being such a big power,
34:13despite being the support of such big people,
34:16the PTI could not get Imran Khan out,
34:19because their political strategy is not there.
34:23And their dependence is that maybe they will take Imran Khan out.
34:27This will not happen.
34:29Your political strategy was very important that
34:32the parties that do not agree with the elections of 8th February
34:37and think that they have been cheated,
34:39your alliance should have been with them by now.
34:42But their leadership could not make an alliance.
34:46Maulana Fazlur Rahman, Hafiz Naeem, Peer Pagada,
34:50these were the people you had to talk to first.
34:55And the second thing is that if you talk to the establishment alone,
34:59it will look like you are asking for a deal.
35:01If you talk to the political parties alone, there is no point.
35:05So you don't talk about who you want to talk to,
35:08you should give your agenda that you want to talk about this issue.
35:11The rest should do what they want to talk about.
35:13But first of all, you should make an opposition alliance.
35:16And this is a criticism of my wisdom.
35:19I did not make a personal criticism.
35:22Some people will be worried that if he comes, what will happen to us?
35:26I don't have a problem.
35:28But I don't need an office to come on TV or to talk.
35:32I don't have a problem with an office.
35:34And if I didn't have to live with Imran Khan,
35:37or if I had to become a minister, I was a minister in 2011.
35:40It's not a problem for me to become a minister.
35:42And all three of you know me very well.
35:45I have never done this.
35:47Even the policeman is not with me.
35:49If you want to drive your car, first close the road or the protocol.
35:53I don't have these issues.
35:54We do national politics.
35:56You can ask me in the circle.
35:58I didn't even know who the SHO Patwari was, who the DPO was.
36:01I do development politics in the circle.
36:04And on top of that, I do national politics.
36:07Absolutely right.
36:08Mr. Patwari, let me come to you.
36:11Do you really think that by making an effective political strategy,
36:17the alliance that you are talking about,
36:19can get Imran Khan out of jail?
36:25Because the ground reality is that the balance of power
36:31is with the People's Party and the Noon League.
36:34And why would the People's Party and the Noon League agree
36:38to accept the status of Pakistan Terrorist Organization?
36:43Because when they accept the status,
36:45then keeping in mind the current situation,
36:48they will be finished.
36:50At least for now.
36:51We can see that.
36:52There is no end to it.
36:55The People's Party is also a political reality.
36:57The PMLN will also have to live.
36:59Keeping in mind the current situation.
37:02When Maryam Nawaz was talking about giving respect to the vote,
37:08Maryam Nawaz was a very effective political leader.
37:12So when the time changed,
37:14she didn't get the election done at that time.
37:16In fact, timing is everything.
37:18She didn't have the right timing.
37:20The matter got ruined.
37:21There is still time.
37:22And that's why political parties should be a little wary.
37:26Politics will not end with this.
37:28I am just saying that,
37:30if Maulana Fazlur Rahman and PTI have an alliance today,
37:34what does it mean?
37:35It means that the entire province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
37:38that is, there are only two groups there,
37:40one is PTI, which is a majority group,
37:43and the opposition is JUI.
37:45So the 100% province will go to one side of the federation.
37:49So how will you run the federation?
37:51If both parties are not ready to work with you,
37:55you will have to bring them to the fold.
37:57After that, the street power,
37:59which is the street power of JUI at the moment,
38:02is very lethal.
38:03Unmatchable, no doubt.
38:04And from a political, moral and judicial point of view,
38:08PTI has already defeated the government.
38:10Now they are saying that if you can take it physically, then take it.
38:13Hassan will ask you a question.
38:15I was not saying that their politics will end.
38:18I am saying that you just said that PTI has a two-thirds majority.
38:21People have voted.
38:22So PTI is saying that
38:24until our two-thirds majority is not accepted,
38:27if we do not talk about it, then what will we do?
38:29Who will we talk to?
38:30So I was talking in that sense.
38:32See, that will be discussed later.
38:35The parties will now give their positions.
38:38So whichever position that party gives,
38:40the other party will give its position on it.
38:42Absolutely right.
38:43The starting point has to be decided now.
38:44You are absolutely right, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary.
38:45I just wanted to talk about the decision of the Supreme Court.
38:48You are saying that it is a matter of certainty
38:50to decide on the final authority.
38:52It is the Supreme Court of Pakistan to do this.
38:54So there is no denying this.
38:56But the Supreme Court of Pakistan has done something
38:58on which criticism is made.
39:00And you can criticize that decision.
39:02It is a public property.
39:03That a candidate has a three-day return period
39:07to participate in any party.
39:09The Supreme Court has made it three-fifteen days.
39:11Then they reversed the clock.
39:13We had heard that the time that had passed did not come back.
39:15But they reversed the clock and showed it.
39:17Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, regarding Article 51,
39:19what was done in the name of clarification,
39:21that too was a matter of understanding.
39:24The appeals of Sunia Thaat Council were dismissed.
39:29But at the same time, the impugn order of Peshawar High Court
39:33was satisfied.
39:34There were some new things.
39:36Appeals are dismissed and impugn order satisfied.
39:39It was difficult to digest these things.
39:41But the main thing I wanted to talk about
39:43was regarding him and his party, Mr. Rohan Fasan.
39:46Mr. Chaudhary, you can answer first.
39:47No, no, I have already commented on it.
39:49No, no, he wants to answer.
39:50I spoke in response to his question.
39:52Listen, listen, he wants to comment.
39:54I spoke in response to his question.
39:55Listen, Mr. Chaudhary.
39:56You can ask questions after that.
39:57Yes, Mr. Chaudhary.
39:58No, no, it's fine. Hassan can comment.
40:00Hassan wants to comment.
40:01No, no, he has commented.
40:02He can talk about your party politics later.
40:04You can answer on the judgment.
40:07On the judgment, I just wanted to say
40:09that the clock has to be reversed.
40:11Five minutes ago, Hassan praised the Supreme Court
40:16for the decision of no confidence.
40:18And that's exactly what the Supreme Court did.
40:21They said, reverse the clock
40:23and start again from where the no confidence ended.
40:26The Supreme Court repeated that decision in this case.
40:29So, you are in favor of that decision
40:31and against this decision.
40:32The second thing is that the 15-day time
40:35has been given because the Election Commission
40:38has been there for three days
40:41where the list is already submitted
40:43and the process of scrutiny has been completed.
40:47Right.
40:48Here, because the Election Commission
40:50did not accept the political party,
40:51you have to go through the whole process again.
40:53So, according to the Election Act,
40:54it has a minimum of 15 days.
40:55So, the Supreme Court has given 15 days.
40:57They have included the scheduled 15 days as well.
40:59I wanted to talk about that.
41:01The Election Commission came to Kahana
41:03and you were present there.
41:04They said, we did not accept the political party.
41:07They said this in Sikandar.
41:08Their lawyer did not do this.
41:10The main thing I wanted to talk about is that
41:12Rauf Hassan, Shibli Faraz,
41:15and some other people in the PTA
41:18who are today's doers,
41:20what is their problem with Fawad Chaudhary?
41:23And why do they say that Fawad Chaudhary
41:25is not a part of the PTA?
41:28Even Latif Khosla, who is obviously
41:30an intermediary, not a hardliner,
41:33is also saying such things.
41:35This cannot be digested.
41:37People come to the political parties
41:40and open their doors
41:42and lay down their laws.
41:45But here, Fawad Chaudhary,
41:47either your documents are not good
41:49or there is a lot of insecurity
41:51within the party.
41:53Fawad Chaudhary, we will hear your answer
41:55after the break.
41:56There is a lack of time.
41:58We will talk to you after the break.
42:03Welcome back Fawad Chaudhary.
42:04Fawad Chaudhary, you heard
42:05Hassan Ayub's question.
42:06He is saying that your former
42:08colleague, your current colleague,
42:10whoever you want to name,
42:11why are they so afraid of you?
42:13Why are they worried?
42:14Why do they keep giving
42:15such statements about you?
42:17See, as I answered earlier,
42:20Mr. Chaudhary also asked the same question.
42:22So I said that my criticism is not
42:23personal.
42:24My criticism is very practical.
42:26And this is my own point of view.
42:28The rest is fine.
42:29See, it's a big party.
42:30There are millions of people.
42:31There are their own views in this.
42:33And of course, some people
42:34have insecurities.
42:36People think that…
42:37Sir, I didn't ask a question.
42:38I am sorry.
42:39I asked that when a person of
42:41a high stature,
42:43a person of your stature,
42:45wants to join a political party,
42:47then that political party
42:49opens its doors,
42:51even sets up a red carpet.
42:53So what is the reason?
42:55What insecurity do they have
42:56from you that you will come
42:57and hijack the party?
42:58I am present in the party,
42:59Mr. Chaudhary.
43:00I am not separate from the party.
43:01I am a part of the party.
43:02But they don't say that.
43:03What difference does it make
43:04if they say that?
43:05No, it's fine.
43:06The thing is that the party,
43:07PTI, is Imran Khan's party.
43:09Everyone is associated
43:10with Imran Khan.
43:11The rest, see,
43:12there is a film,
43:13Bhakwa,
43:14all the item songs are going on.
43:16When it comes to Imran Khan,
43:18then we will deal with him.
43:20The rest is fine.
43:21By the way, Mr. Fajari,
43:22my opinion on this is
43:23similar to that of Mr. Chaudhary,
43:24Mr. Ghulam Sain,
43:25that you should definitely
43:27talk about PTI's political
43:29and legal strategy.
43:31Now, your cut-cut is so much
43:32on the political level
43:33that to criticize someone
43:34by taking their name,
43:35I think that is...
43:36To call them stupid.
43:37There are no stupid people
43:38in their opposition.
43:39I mean,
43:40I agree.
43:41That's my opinion.
43:42I think that Mr. Fajari's
43:43cut-cut is much higher than that.
43:44Let's move on.
43:45Now, if they are stupid,
43:46then they are stupid.
43:47What wrong have they done?
43:48Have they done anything wrong?
43:49Now, if you want to defame
43:50Munni, then let's do it.
43:51Let's move on.
43:52Okay, Mr. Fajari,
43:53this matter of ad-hoc judges
43:55has come up.
43:56Now, your constitution says
43:58that you can put
43:59Chief Justice
44:00in the court.
44:01According to the need,
44:02it is a matter of quorum.
44:03There is another special reason
44:04which is very clear
44:05in the article.
44:06You can do it.
44:07On this,
44:08as you know,
44:09I was watching the news
44:10in Pakistan Bar Council.
44:11Ad-hoc judges' speeches
44:12for their favorite decisions
44:13have not been accepted
44:14by Pakistan Bar.
44:15There are six opponents.
44:16Okay.
44:17Mukla's organizations
44:18are also talking
44:19about this.
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