00:00Look, the Rwanda scheme was dead and buried before it started. It's never been a deterrent.
00:07Look at the numbers that have come over in the first six and a bit months of this year.
00:14They're record numbers. That is the problem that we are inheriting. It has never acted
00:19as a deterrent, almost the opposite, because everybody has worked out, particularly the
00:24gangs that run this, that the chance of ever going to Rwanda was so slim, less than one
00:29percent, that it was never a deterrent. The chances were of not going and not being processed
00:35and staying here, therefore, in paid-for accommodation for a very, very long time. It's had the complete
00:40opposite effect, and I'm not prepared to continue with gimmicks that don't act as a deterrent.
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