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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUI
"Bani PTI ne kaha hai ke meri call ka intezar karo," Raoof Hasan breaks big news
Chairman PTI Ka Ceasefire Ka Mutalba..Ceasefire Say Kya Murad Hai?
Diesel Se Maulana Tak Ka Safar Kaisa Laga?? Kashif Abbasi Ke Sawal Or Rauf Hasan Hans Pare
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUI
"Bani PTI ne kaha hai ke meri call ka intezar karo," Raoof Hasan breaks big news
Chairman PTI Ka Ceasefire Ka Mutalba..Ceasefire Say Kya Murad Hai?
Diesel Se Maulana Tak Ka Safar Kaisa Laga?? Kashif Abbasi Ke Sawal Or Rauf Hasan Hans Pare
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:11Two days ago, Mr. Rauf Hassan was attacked and no evidence has come forward yet.
00:15Even today, in the press conference of Tariq-e-Insaaf, it was said that so many CCTV cameras, geofencing,
00:21a lot of things could have been used to catch him.
00:24But till now, an investigation team has been working under the supervision of the SP.
00:29Let's see where he goes. Mr. Rauf Hassan is with me.
00:31Rauf Hassan, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:32Rauf Hassan, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:33Good to see you.
00:34Thank you. I'm still there.
00:36May Allah protect you.
00:37Thank you.
00:38I hope it stays this way.
00:39Thank you.
00:40I saw you coming from downstairs. Were there any Khawaja Siras standing on the way?
00:42No, no, not at all.
00:43I came after seeing them.
00:44See, there is a person with me.
00:45Mashallah, he is looking after us.
00:47Security has also come with you.
00:48Yes, absolutely, sir.
00:49Security has come.
00:50Mashallah.
00:51So, now you are with security.
00:52I have never seen you before.
00:54Never, never.
00:55I have never been with security in my entire life.
00:57I have driven a car myself.
00:58I have done everything.
00:59But I am helpless.
01:00I mean, I am not helpless.
01:01My party has passed an order.
01:03Did you meet Mr. Khan today?
01:05Yes, I met Mr. Khan today.
01:06What did he say?
01:07I think that the thing in which he was restraining himself.
01:13We have been seeing for a long time that he is restraining himself.
01:16He was very cautious about the public movement.
01:20Because he does not want violence in this country.
01:22Today, I have noticed that he has taken some notches forward.
01:27He was quite candid about things.
01:30That this cannot go on like this.
01:31And we do not even have time.
01:33So, he told Hamad Azhar to go out.
01:36He also told Mr. Mian Hassan to go out and lead.
01:39And wait for my call.
01:41When will I give a call for mass movement, mass agitation?
01:44So, he is…
01:46Mr. Hamad Azhar said a very interesting thing yesterday.
01:48Till yesterday, he was told by Mr. Khan to stay hidden.
01:53You are absolutely right.
01:54Now, he is telling you to go out.
01:56That is exactly what I am saying.
01:57What has changed?
01:58I feel that Mr. Khan's thinking has changed to such an extent
02:01that the thing about which he was restraining himself,
02:05that he should not give me a call.
02:07I know the reason also because I have spoken to him many times.
02:10That there should not be violence in this country.
02:12Because there are so many frustrations that violence will catch fire very soon.
02:15So, I think that today, I have seen a change in his attitude.
02:19And he may be completely disappointed that the normal traditional methods
02:24where justice can be obtained,
02:26he may be feeling that justice will not be obtained.
02:28The courts are giving you justice.
02:30What happened to me…
02:31In fact, a campaign against the courts has started because decisions are being made.
02:35He was very disturbed about me.
02:37About you?
02:38He was very disturbed.
02:39Was he angry?
02:40Yes, he was angry.
02:41He was determined that we have to move forward.
02:44The lawyers who have met me today,
02:46all of them have come to me.
02:48His sisters have also met me.
02:50All of them have come.
02:51One thing was common in his attitude,
02:53which he told me.
02:54He said that we have never seen him so angry as he is angry with you.
02:57So, this can also be a catalyst.
02:59Maybe he feels that he is picking up my men,
03:01he will beat them, he will do this, he will do that.
03:03So, for a political leader who is moving forward with a vision,
03:06I think this is a big challenge for him.
03:08He was determined that we have to move forward.
03:10This incident happened to you two days ago.
03:13And one day before that,
03:15in front of a TV channel,
03:18in front of a news channel.
03:20This was going to happen, but it didn't.
03:22Didn't you feel alarmed?
03:24Didn't you feel that you need to be more careful?
03:27What has happened?
03:28Or did you feel that this is a normal incident?
03:30When it happened for the first time,
03:31and you sat in the car and left?
03:32Kashif, today I am very proud of my officer.
03:35When I left, I was very disturbed.
03:37Why did these people deal with me so aggressively?
03:40Why did they push me into the car?
03:42Why did they bang on the glass?
03:44They were hitting me with knuckles to break it.
03:46So, even at that time, I could see their motive
03:48that they wanted to harm me.
03:50They also said something in their own way.
03:54They said, I don't want to repeat it.
03:56So, I don't understand why I completely overlooked it.
04:01People were standing in front of a news channel.
04:03All of them saw this.
04:04Two or three people called me later.
04:06They asked me if I was okay.
04:09Why didn't you take it seriously?
04:12I don't know, Kashif.
04:13I don't have any logic to explain.
04:15It's just one of those things, basically.
04:17So many people are engrossed in their work.
04:19These people are frustrated.
04:20What is this?
04:21That's it.
04:22The heat is good.
04:23More or less.
04:24The next day, you wore a shawl in the heat.
04:26Then they reappeared.
04:27All of them.
04:28They were the same people.
04:29Plus one.
04:30Exactly.
04:31Same plus one.
04:32When the first woman came to me,
04:38she said, we have been looking for you for two days.
04:42We won't leave you today.
04:43These were her opening words.
04:45We won't leave you.
04:46And then, of course, the other three came.
04:49Maybe they are your political opponents.
04:55What's the problem with the FIR?
04:56That's a good one.
04:58In the FIR, my legal team said,
05:00I had signed it.
05:01I had done everything.
05:02They said,
05:03we had put a clause for terrorism in it.
05:05Because, basically,
05:06according to their own confession,
05:08they were chasing me.
05:09They were looking for me.
05:10So, that terrorism became terrorism.
05:11So, it's going to be 207-307, right?
05:13It's a murder case.
05:14Yes.
05:15That's their pretension.
05:16On the basis of which, the party...
05:18If there is a public at large effect,
05:20then it's terrorism.
05:21But in this,
05:22you think it's terrorism?
05:24This is the decision of the legal team of the party.
05:26They said,
05:27put it.
05:28And on the basis of it,
05:29I was also sitting in the press conference yesterday.
05:30Actually, it wasn't my press conference.
05:32Mr. Umar said,
05:33we reject it.
05:34They said,
05:35make a judicial commission on it.
05:37So, these legal people
05:38who know better
05:39what the judicial commission will do,
05:41what is its history in Pakistan.
05:43Now, they have made a cabinet committee,
05:45which is investigating it.
05:46I think there is an SP,
05:47who is leading it.
05:48SP is leading it.
05:49So, such committees are also formed.
05:51Someone asked me,
05:52what is being made of this?
05:54I said,
05:55they are looking for a waste paper basket,
05:57in which they will want to put it.
05:59And they forget about it.
06:00Nothing will come out of it.
06:01This is my conviction.
06:02Nothing will come out of it.
06:03Then, why should they do FHR?
06:04I think,
06:05my...
06:06Let me give you my sense.
06:08If it was with me,
06:09I would have said,
06:10may God forbid.
06:11May God forbid.
06:12Such things do not come out of it.
06:14Nothing comes out of it.
06:15You are absolutely right.
06:16But, it is very easy
06:17to catch these people.
06:18Because,
06:19all those videos have gone viral.
06:20Go to Nadra,
06:21it will take them an hour.
06:24If they really want to catch them,
06:26they can just get to them
06:27in one hour,
06:28not more.
06:29Today, Barrister Gauhar
06:30has had a conversation
06:32with the media.
06:34When I heard,
06:35when Umar Ayub,
06:37now you are also saying,
06:38that Imran Khan has gone up
06:39by two notches.
06:40Tariq will continue.
06:41Now, it will not happen.
06:43Aslam Iqbal,
06:44Mian Aslam Iqbal,
06:45come out.
06:46Hammad Azhar,
06:47come out.
06:48Your chairman
06:49is talking about something else.
06:51He is talking about ceasefire.
06:53If you allow me,
06:54I will play it for you.
06:55Play it.
06:56End this cliff pattern.
06:59End this ceasefire.
07:01Look, I am saying,
07:03this is happening to us.
07:05As a PTI chairman,
07:07would you like to give a clear message today?
07:09If you don't want the clash to end,
07:11what is your message for those who want to do it?
07:13Look,
07:14our message is,
07:15we say to everyone,
07:16we are sorry.
07:17We don't say that
07:18we don't want to take revenge from anyone.
07:20Mr. Khan said,
07:21even if I want to talk,
07:23it is for the sake of the country,
07:24for the sake of the law,
07:25for the sake of the economy of this country,
07:27for the sake of bringing justice to this country.
07:31Yes, excuse me.
07:34I,
07:35Kashif,
07:36to be honest about it,
07:37I came from the program.
07:38I just came to you and heard all this.
07:40Frankly,
07:41I don't understand a few things.
07:42Number one,
07:43Mr. Khan never said that
07:44I don't talk to anyone.
07:45Because I am in contact with him the most.
07:48He has always said that
07:49I am ready to talk to everyone.
07:50No,
07:51he also said that
07:52I want to talk.
07:53Yes,
07:54absolutely.
07:55Mr. Barrister also said the same thing.
07:56Okay,
07:57he said the same thing.
07:58He said that
07:59I will not talk.
08:00He said that
08:01we are all doing it.
08:02In fact,
08:03you see,
08:04we are also doing it with the JUI.
08:05Now,
08:06the word Titans
08:07that he used,
08:08first I will have to understand
08:09what those Titans are.
08:10If it is an establishment,
08:11then
08:12our contention is that
08:13the power is with them.
08:14They have the power.
08:15We are running the country.
08:16The Prime Minister is not running it.
08:17The Chief Minister is not running it.
08:18At the end of the day,
08:19there is a lot of criticism
08:20that
08:21you do not talk to the so-called
08:22democratic forces
08:23and you talk to them.
08:24And our answer is that
08:25until they come on board,
08:26until they decide,
08:27there can be no solution
08:28to the problem.
08:29So,
08:30we have to see
08:31because
08:32we have not met
08:33Mr. Khan today.
08:34Today,
08:35six of us went
08:36and met him.
08:37He was not among them.
08:38If he had any contact,
08:39I do not know.
08:40What do you mean
08:41by ceasefire?
08:42What do you mean
08:43by ceasefire?
08:44What do you mean
08:45by ceasefire?
08:46In the last two years,
08:47our struggle
08:48with our establishment
08:49has been going on.
08:50Tell me the definition
08:51of ceasefire.
08:52You must have it.
08:53What does it mean?
08:54We have not been
08:55offended.
08:56We are defending ourselves.
08:57So,
08:58a ceasefire is done
08:59by those who have
09:00offensive weapons
09:01or who are
09:02dictating.
09:03Politically,
09:04we are fighting.
09:05We are fighting back.
09:06We are not
09:07launching an offensive.
09:08We are not attacking anyone.
09:09So,
09:10basically,
09:11this matter
09:12should come from them.
09:13If you are told
09:14that
09:15there is going to be
09:16a political ceasefire,
09:17you will not
09:18speak out.
09:19You will
09:20end your demands.
09:21What will
09:22the consequences
09:23of a ceasefire be?
09:24I am trying to understand.
09:25He said,
09:26ceasefire.
09:27What are the consequences
09:28of a ceasefire?
09:29I do not know.
09:30Actually,
09:31to be honest about it,
09:32I will have to talk
09:33to Mr. Gauhar.
09:34I will meet him
09:35about this program
09:36soon.
09:37I will talk to him about it.
09:38I tried talking to him
09:39over the telephone.
09:40He is not
09:41answering the phone.
09:42A ceasefire means
09:43that the struggle
09:44that is going on
09:45in this country
09:46is going on
09:47from their side.
09:48Now,
09:49the other people
09:50may not want this.
09:51I am talking
09:52about the establishment.
09:53I am not
09:54talking about
09:55the political parties.
09:56At least,
09:57they also want
09:58that the law
09:59and the constitution
10:00be enforced.
10:01But,
10:02if they wanted
10:03to say
10:04that the
10:05establishment
10:06should ceasefire,
10:07then
10:08this
10:09is
10:10quite
10:11logical.
10:12Because
10:13this is
10:14an offence
10:15against
10:16the
10:17constitution.
10:18This is
10:19an
10:20offence
10:21against
10:22the
10:23constitution.
10:24This
10:25is an
10:26offence
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10:31is an
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10:37is an
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23:19I think this is a very dead-sea conversation.
23:23Look, we are taking steps for the reversal of our mandate.
23:27We are with the Election Commission, we are with the tribunals,
23:31we might even go to the High Court and the Supreme Court.
23:33So, the procedure is set.
23:35Now, there are evidences of the establishment's intervention.
23:41It is in front of everyone.
23:42Now, look, there has been a tirade launched against the judiciary.
23:47Why? Because they have an awakening from within the judiciary.
23:51They want their constitutional position to be restored.
23:55They don't want anyone to interfere in their work.
23:57So, these voices have started coming from all the institutions,
24:00from all the institutions of the government, of the state.
24:04And I think there is already a lot of pressure on them.
24:07We can see that there is a lot of pressure on them.
24:09And if the judiciary is free, then I am sure the other institutions will also work.
24:13Now, the way they are trying to manipulate the media,
24:16how can you take the judiciary forward in this way?
24:18All these things will basically come together.
24:21And when we reach that stage with them,
24:23that this question is raised,
24:25that how do you withdraw from playing an interventionist role in Pakistan's politics?
24:31So, a lot of other things must have come up by then.
24:33A lot of other things have come up.
24:35Let's take a break, if you allow.
24:40Welcome back, Naazim.
24:41Welcome back, Naazim.
24:42Mr. Rauf Hassan is with us today.
24:43Is the matter with the PSC chairman?
24:47It seems that the government has come up with a plan
24:51to take him to the parliament.
24:53He has a majority in the parliament.
24:55The chairman of the PSC should be from the opposition.
24:57He should be. He should be.
24:59Did he tell you?
25:00We have heard about it.
25:02He hasn't told anyone yet.
25:04But we have heard that he might be taken to the floor of the parliament.
25:07So, from the opposition...
25:08That means he doesn't want to become the opposition.
25:10Mr. Noor Alam Khan's name was on the agenda,
25:12but now that Mr. Maulana has come close to you,
25:14that might also be a problem.
25:15Or it could be.
25:16I mean, the chairman...
25:17Look, we have already sent his name.
25:19We have already sent his writing.
25:20Mr. Sharafzad didn't send Mr. Marwat's name.
25:22He sent the name of Sheikh Waqas.
25:24Yes, there were reasons for Mr. Marwat's name not being sent.
25:27What were the reasons?
25:28Whatever he said, everything he said.
25:30He took the role of a divisor.
25:31Is he in the Khudda line?
25:32He is not in the Khudda line.
25:34He is a member of the National Assembly, a member of PTI.
25:36So, he is a worthy member of the party.
25:38He is a worthy member of the party.
25:40He is a worthy member of the party.
25:41This is up to you, isn't it?
25:42You pick up the people you pick up, so that...
25:44We don't pick them up, sir.
25:45For God's sake.
25:46For God's sake, sir.
25:47We don't pick anyone up.
25:48You pick them up.
25:49So, you have kept them there for the sake of picking them up.
25:51What kind of accusations are you making?
25:52We don't pick them up.
25:53We don't pick anyone up.
25:54I am the last person to do that.
25:55Don't accuse me.
25:56You yourself said that we pick people up.
25:58No, I didn't mean that.
26:00Oh, I see.
26:01Why do you get me wrong?
26:03You create hype.
26:05You create hype.
26:06You create hype.
26:07This is the kind of situation we are in.
26:08We are scared of the job of picking up people.
26:11Who is your parliamentary leader?
26:13In the National Assembly?
26:16Parliamentary leader...
26:17Our opposition is...
26:19We have to decide on the parliamentary leader right now.
26:21Three names have been floated for that.
26:22I won't share the names.
26:23I will tell you.
26:24Prince Hamid Raza.
26:27By the way, Mehboob Sultan's name was also mentioned earlier.
26:30Zain Qureshi.
26:33Are these the three or is there one more?
26:34There is one more.
26:35But I won't confirm the names.
26:37I won't confirm the names.
26:40I will reach there.
26:41I know.
26:42I know you will reach there.
26:44But at least I won't.
26:46But earlier I heard that Zain Qureshi is confirmed.
26:49No, he is not confirmed.
26:50Now I heard that Prince is confirmed.
26:52No.
26:53There is no confirmation.
26:54Three names have been floated.
26:55And I think our meeting is tomorrow.
26:57You will decide it yourself.
26:58Yes.
26:59The political committee will finalize it.
27:00And after that the matter will go for Khan's ratification.
27:03It will always go for Khan's ratification.
27:05When they ratify it, the name will be announced.
27:07But because they are from Punjab, I know which is the third name from Punjab.
27:10I can't think of a third name from Punjab.
27:12Okay, I can share this with you that this position will go to Punjab.
27:15That's why I said that all three names are from Punjab.
27:17Yes, it will go to Punjab.
27:18I can't think of a third name from Punjab.
27:20This position will go to Punjab.
27:22So, when will your personal fights end?
27:24It can end.
27:25The real problem is that you fight the most among yourselves.
27:27The party has never jelled the way it has jelled now.
27:31You can't imagine that I am overwhelmed.
27:35The way people have contacted me and approached me after this incident.
27:40I never knew that so much warmth…
27:41Yes, all of them are with you.
27:42It can be a jetty.
27:43It doesn't mean that all of them are together.
27:45No, there are no major differences.
27:47Look, I think that's all a story of the past.
27:50I think we are jelling together.
27:52And Mr. Khan is taking a lot of interest.
27:55He is taking a lot of personal interest.
27:57Let's see where it goes.
27:58Today, he said that CM K.P.K. will not be invited to the SIFC meeting.
28:02Earlier, when he used to invite him,
28:04there used to be criticism that Mr. Gandapur is fit in Islamabad
28:07or with the Ufaqi government.
28:09Or he went to the core commander's house for Iftari.
28:13Because of that, he has been in a lot of trouble.
28:15Even in front of Mr. Khan.
28:16Is that true?
28:17No.
28:18Mr. Khan had made a decision.
28:20Which Mr. Gandapur had discussed with Mr. Khan.
28:23The options were in front of him.
28:25The decision was that we have to have a functional relationship with Ufaq.
28:30We have to keep him as a member of the state.
28:33After that, Mr. Gandapur came to meet the Prime Minister.
28:37Even then, Mr. Gandapur came to know about the meeting.
28:39Then, the Prime Minister went there.
28:41We received him.
28:42And we tried to not only maintain this functional relationship,
28:45but also expand it.
28:47But unfortunately, the response of Ufaq was very negative.
28:50He has not met any of our demands yet.
28:52When will you come to the streets?
28:54Has there been a decision to come to the streets?
28:57The indication that Mr. Khan has given today,
28:59which has also been announced,
29:01I can't sit here.
29:03That's why I didn't stand in the media talk.
29:06I sat in the car.
29:08In that, he said that everyone should get ready.
29:11I can give a call any day.
29:12Any day.
29:13He didn't say this.
29:14But I will share it with you.
29:16I will tell them to be absolutely ready.
29:18I can give a call any day.
29:19I will tell them to be absolutely ready.
29:21I can give a call any day.
29:22Thank you very much.
29:23Mr. Rauf Hassan was telling us about the talks.
29:25Now, Mr. Hafiz Abdullah is with us.
29:28Mr. Hafiz, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
29:29Walaikum-as-salam.
29:30I am Veer Kashyap.
29:32Mr. Hafiz, I was also asking Mr. Rauf Hassan.
29:35I said that the journey from Diesel to Maulana
29:38He said that we feel that we should keep things right with politicians.
29:44It is a journey from you to Mr. Khan from a Jewish agent.
29:47How long will this go on, Mr. Hafiz?
29:50Bismillah-ir-Rahman-ir-Rahim.
29:52Thank you very much, Mr. Kashyap.
29:54Look, the thing is that this is one thing for sure.
29:59Right now, there is an unannounced ceasefire between the JUA and PTI.
30:09Our effort will not be to do anything that will create political tension or spoil the political atmosphere.
30:20And if the PTI, the irresponsible people, as was the case a while ago,
30:27criticize the Jamiat or our leadership, then our effort will be to not respond to this.
30:33If a responsible person gives such an assessment that will try to spoil the atmosphere, then we will see.
30:41This is one thing.
30:43You are saying that the ceasefire means that the war has not ended yet.
30:47No, this is not the case.
30:49Right now, there is no war.
30:51But this depends on attitudes.
30:54This depends on statements.
30:57What is a statement?
30:59Personally, we are not against anyone.
31:00There are political differences in the political environment.
31:04In terms of logic, in terms of views, and in terms of cause.
31:09But it is not good to go against each other personally.
31:14It is not good to insult each other with words that are against our society, our traditions, and our values.
31:22And it is not good for our society.
31:24We should stay away from this.
31:25This is true.
31:27I asked him about this.
31:30Mr. Tariq-e-Insaaf has this feeling.
31:32In today's conversation, I understood that we should stay away from politicians.
31:38And I think that what you are saying about political statements,
31:40this is a Jewish agent type.
31:42We will not hear it for a while.
31:44Let's see how far it goes.
31:46But tell me, in yesterday's meeting, Mr. Maulana asked for a guarantee.
31:49What guarantee did he ask for?
31:52I asked him what the guarantee was.
31:53He said that he will not compromise.
31:58Is this the guarantee that Mr. Maulana is asking for?
32:01Look, the thing is that I am not participating in the meeting.
32:05I was not there.
32:07I was in the meeting.
32:09Believe it or not, I don't know about it.
32:11As far as I have heard about Mr. Maulana's press talk,
32:13I have inferred that he had appreciated Mr. Maulana's position earlier.
32:19He is appreciating it even today.
32:20Mr. Maulana is appreciating it.
32:22He did not say anything about the 8th February election.
32:26The second thing he said was that the relations between the JYP and PTI should continue.
32:33This is his view.
32:35The third thing he said was that the points between the JYP and PTI should be shared.
32:46This is one view.
32:48These are the two things he said.
32:50He said that this is absolutely right.
32:54Our position is clear that we do not agree with the 8th February election.
33:00We object and the establishment should stay away from the JYP.
33:04Sir, but this position was also there in the last election.
33:07You saw this from Mr. Maulana yesterday.
33:09He asked a question.
33:11He said that Mr. Maulana himself brought a long march.
33:13He cut it in Islamabad.
33:15Then some matters were decided.
33:17Some deals were made and Mr. Maulana left.
33:18The question was that if you get an offer this time, you will not go back.
33:24Mr. Maulana deflected the question.
33:26If there is an offer, tell us.
33:28But this is a threat in Pakistani politics.
33:31If there is a deal offer, anyone can take it at any time.
33:34No, I will tell you one thing.
33:36Mr. Maulana, if you refer to the 2019 election,
33:40that there was no deal, no deal.
33:42There was no deal.
33:44Mr. Maulana was told that Chaudhary Shijrat Hussain and Parvez Hilla came.
33:49That we want a new election in the country.
33:55Because we will not accept the election of 25-18.
34:00We do not accept this result.
34:02This is the guarantee that we will go towards the election.
34:05Okay, this guarantee was given.
34:07And you think you were fooled by it.
34:08Mr. Maulana, these are the Chaudhary brothers, Mr. Chaudhary Shijrat and Mr. Chaudhary Parvez Hilla.
34:14But when they left, they continued their old passion.
34:18That the night passed, the soil fell.
34:21But the election that took place on February 8, 2024,
34:26our stance is the same as that of 25-18.
34:29There was no deal in the election.
34:31The requirement of the constitution was clear and the election was transparent.
34:34Therefore, the requirement of the constitution was not fulfilled.
34:35This is the last question, Mr. Hafiz.
34:37One sentence, one sentence.
34:39So far you have talked about a deal, there is no question.
34:43There will be no deal, no seal.
34:45Nothing will happen.
34:47We want a clear and transparent election.
34:50And the government should be elected immediately.
34:53The election should be announced and the establishment should stay away from politics.
34:56This is our statement.
34:58Last question, Mr. Hafiz.
35:00If there is a need to negotiate from the other side, who will you negotiate with?
35:05We still do not know who will negotiate.
35:09Let's talk about that first.
35:11Who will propose negotiations to us?
35:13Will the president of the country propose negotiations to us?
35:17Will the prime minister propose negotiations to us?
35:20Will the cabinet propose negotiations to us?
35:23Who will propose negotiations to us?
35:26We will see who the negotiators are.
35:29We will give full answers according to their ability and capacity.
35:33We will give full answers whether they want to negotiate or not.
35:36And if the establishment proposes negotiations, will you accept it?
35:39We will see.
35:41It is a matter of if.
35:43If the establishment proposes negotiations, then you will see our reaction.
35:48Thank you very much.
35:50Mr. Hafiz Abdullah was with us.
35:52He was saying that we will see where the offer comes from and then we will discuss it.
35:55Or we will decide it and give a reaction.
35:57Let's take a break.