00:00 So, we will now ask the Bureau Chief of Salamat, Mr. Khawar Ghoman.
00:04 Khawar Bhai, Salam, good morning.
00:06 Good morning, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:08 So, tell us, did Rana Sanaullah and Khawaja Saad Rafiq
00:12 get included in the government only after the statements were made?
00:16 Or, the thing that Khawaja Abbasi said,
00:20 that there is no capacity in the government, it is not capable.
00:23 So, they are trying to bring in such people
00:25 so that the issues can be uplifted.
00:27 What do you think?
00:28 Wa-Alaikum-Salam and very good morning to you.
00:31 Good morning.
00:32 Look, there are more than one problem with the Pakistan Muslim League.
00:37 The biggest problem with the Pakistan Muslim League is its perception.
00:42 The perception is, and I think it is a very valid perception,
00:48 that the government is not theirs.
00:51 In Wafaaq, especially, you saw that the ministers,
00:55 look, there are two very important ministries.
00:57 One is the Ministry of Income and the other is the Finance Ministry.
01:01 And you saw that both of these ministries,
01:04 the Minister of Income, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib,
01:06 was elected as a senator.
01:11 And Aurangzeb Sahib, he also came.
01:14 The problem is that,
01:16 you know that Saad Dar Sahib used to take the Finance Ministry.
01:20 So, this is one perception.
01:22 And with this, the Pakistan People's Party said that they will get it,
01:27 but they are not getting it.
01:28 The third problem is that,
01:30 because the bigwigs of the Pakistan Muslim League,
01:34 Saad Rafiq Sahib, Rana Sinala Sahib,
01:38 they come out and talk.
01:40 So, because of that, it is said that,
01:43 because these people are outside the government,
01:45 they do not have access,
01:48 so they say whatever they want.
01:50 So, it seems like they are not talking on behalf of the government party,
01:55 but on behalf of the opposition.
01:57 So, I think this is also a reason.
02:00 But we were understanding that they have a political maturity,
02:03 of these leaders.
02:04 They have their own thinking, they are expressing that.
02:07 So, can they not express such thoughts by being in the party?
02:12 Look, in the party, expressing thoughts is one thing,
02:18 but talking about government activity,
02:21 and talking about the ownership of the government,
02:25 these are two different things.
02:27 Now, more than one leader of the Muslim League,
02:30 every day, he gives this statement that,
02:32 the government, especially the government in Wafaaq,
02:35 which is a different government, which is being headed by M. Shabaz Sharif Sahib,
02:38 this government is not ours alone,
02:41 we cannot take its full ownership.
02:43 Rana Sinala Sahib said that,
02:45 we had promised that we would be responsible,
02:48 if we get the majority.
02:49 We will be responsible if we get the two-term majority.
02:52 This is a unified government.
02:54 Similarly, some say that we have a cut-put,
02:57 some say that it has been imposed on us,
03:00 some say that we have taken this government,
03:03 to save the state of Pakistan,
03:05 even though we are forced to.
03:07 So, they are not taking ownership like that.
03:09 So, to end this impression,
03:11 I think it would be better if these people come with M. Shabaz Sharif.
03:15 Rest, look, obviously, it is a party,
03:18 it is a party government, these are big people,
03:20 by the grace of God, they have lost the elections.
03:22 I think they should have given them a senator's ticket.
03:24 They didn't give them a senator's ticket,
03:26 so obviously, the government has the authority,
03:28 they should appoint an advisor,
03:30 give them a position like this,
03:32 they can make them sit somewhere.
03:34 This is the basic reason I think,
03:37 but the next issue is that,
03:40 this issue will not be solved.
03:42 Look, it will not be solved because...
03:44 Javed Ladeem is also giving a lot of statements,
03:46 so why didn't his name come up in this?
03:48 And if we see, before we go further,
03:50 we have Jahid Hakan Abbasi,
03:52 now he is going to a different party,
03:54 but still, there was a lot of time,
03:56 he could have been convinced if the matter had to be moved forward like this.
03:59 So, secondly,
04:01 you will give them a portfolio,
04:03 the performance,
04:05 does the government feel that our performance,
04:07 which is being criticized by the party,
04:09 because the party often says that,
04:11 the way the election was held,
04:13 questions are raised on that too,
04:15 so in the government circles,
04:17 what kind of thoughts are being given?
04:19 Look, three questions.
04:21 Javed Ladeem sir, you may remember,
04:23 when the PDM was formed, he also got the ministry,
04:25 but he was without a mehtma.
04:27 He was not given a mehtma.
04:29 So, the news we have received from the party,
04:31 that Shabaz Sharif sir,
04:33 why is he not getting along with him?
04:35 They have never had such a working relationship.
04:39 Or you can say that,
04:41 in the party, Javed Ladeem sir is considered closer to Nawaz Sharif sir and Marjum Sahiba.
04:46 Now, the second thing is,
04:48 that now,
04:50 the opinion,
04:52 you talked about,
04:54 what are their opinions,
04:56 and why they don't want to come,
04:58 or why they were not brought before,
05:00 why are you bringing them?
05:02 In Pakistan, on 8th February,
05:04 the election that took place,
05:06 you heard that,
05:08 our situation is a little bit,
05:10 I hope I am not wrong,
05:12 you can tell me my description,
05:14 whether you know or not,
05:16 the rest is all known.
05:18 So, the election that took place in Pakistan,
05:20 now, the problem is that,
05:22 on that,
05:24 inside the party,
05:26 there are many questions arising.
05:28 You will remember that,
05:30 our minister,
05:32 there was a minister,
05:34 his name is Seema,
05:36 he gave a statement,
05:38 that I too was offered Farm 47,
05:40 I said, no, I am on the ground,
05:42 I lost the polling station,
05:44 so I don't feel like voting.
05:46 There are some more people,
05:48 you can see,
05:50 the second number people,
05:52 last day, Haman Raza,
05:54 he is the president of Gujarat,
05:56 PM of Gujarat,
05:58 he gave a statement,
06:00 that we came in the district,
06:02 and the first number,
06:04 another party came,
06:06 so that is also a question,
06:08 and the party is also saying,
06:10 so, on the ground,
06:12 people also know,
06:14 the circumstances,
06:16 so, that too,
06:18 is a course correction,
06:20 that too is a question.
06:22 But, Khawar sahib, how is this course correction happening?
06:24 Because, it seems like,
06:26 some people in the party,
06:28 who are close to Nawaz Sharif,
06:30 are now making a separate statement,
06:32 and some people who are close to Shahbaz Sharif,
06:34 are making a separate statement,
06:36 including the stalwarts like Saad Rafiq and Ranat Sanaullah.
06:38 So, if we are going to protest,
06:40 and internal issues are happening,
06:42 so, is this course correction happening?
06:44 And if it happens,
06:46 then how will you move forward with the issues?
06:48 The government of New Delhi.
06:50 Look, there is only one way to move forward with the issues,
06:54 that you saw two days ago,
06:56 when in Karachi,
06:58 I met with the merchants,
07:00 there was a consultation given,
07:02 Pakistan's big reality,
07:04 is the Sunni Khad Council,
07:06 the Pakistan's Paragon,
07:08 who's name is being used now,
07:10 he is in the Punjab,
07:12 in the Lajza opposition,
07:14 in the centre,
07:16 he is the biggest political party of the senate,
07:18 and,
07:20 with him,
07:22 a process of confrontation is going on,
07:24 and we have to solve that.
07:26 The only way to solve that is to sit with him.
07:28 Yesterday, you said,
07:30 I think you should listen to his speech,
07:32 a very good speech,
07:34 Hafiz Naeem-ur-Rehman,
07:36 the new PM of the Jamaat-e-Islam,
07:38 he gave a speech in Lahore,
07:40 he gave a very beautiful speech,
07:42 he said, "In Pakistan,
07:44 the process of the law of the jungle,
07:46 we have to sit together for that."
07:48 So, the solution is very simple,
07:50 the solution is,
07:52 in my opinion,
07:54 all the big questions on the issue,
07:56 all the political parties have to sit together
07:58 and find a solution.
08:00 How can we find that solution?
08:02 The solution can be found
08:04 in the form of criminal justice,
08:06 maybe it can be that
08:08 after a certain time,
08:10 it can be re-elected,
08:12 because at this time,
08:14 the national government can be formed
08:16 because all the Jamaats
08:18 are a part of the parliament.
08:20 And,
08:22 the solution is to sit together.
08:24 Mr. Khawar, I would like to ask you,
08:26 because we have very little time,
08:28 a small comment, yes or no,
08:30 because we have been talking about this since yesterday,
08:32 the police uniform that Mariam Nawaz wore,
08:34 many people are saying it was good,
08:36 many people are saying it was not good.
08:38 What do you say about this?
08:40 I saw, yesterday night,
08:42 we did a program on this,
08:44 I think there is nothing wrong with it,
08:46 obviously, women were being passed up there,
08:48 they went and met them,
08:50 and they were advised by the Punjab Police,
08:52 this happens,
08:54 I mean, there is nothing wrong with it.
08:56 Okay, that means, Mr. Khawar,
08:58 She tried to bring a storm in the tea cup. Thank you so much.
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