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Transcript

00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.

00:03 Today, finally, the 16th National Summit has been held.

00:08 Last night, the President of Pakistan signed the summons a little late.

00:14 Because Article 91, Subclass 2, was very clear that whether the President should be called or not,

00:21 this summit has to be held within 21 days.

00:24 You may remember, Mr. Zubairi, the former President of the Supreme Court Bar Association,

00:31 had made it clear that this summit has to be held.

00:34 It's good that he called for the summit, and today it's held.

00:37 But, dear viewers, we will first go to our top story.

00:41 Last night, a letter was written to the IMF by the Pakistan Department of Justice,

00:47 asking them to order the elections that have been held in Pakistan.

00:51 And it's very important that the loan you are going to give next is determined

00:55 that the elections in Pakistan are free and fair.

01:00 And your compliance with the political situation in any country,

01:04 and the governance of the country, should be kept in mind.

01:09 Dear viewers, before going to this news, we will inform you about the economic situation in Pakistan.

01:16 First of all, the latest report by Moody's,

01:21 which is the 3AA of Pakistan, which is our current economic strength,

01:26 which is in the lowest condition, it is said that it is continuing the same of Pakistan, which is very weak.

01:32 The news that has come, let's put the translation in Urdu in front of you,

01:35 there is news in English, obviously, their report is that,

01:37 "Disputed elections, weak united government, Pakistan will face economic challenges."

01:43 This is what Moody's has said.

01:46 The report of Fitch has come, it is after the elections,

01:49 you can see the headlines in English,

01:52 "Pakistan elections outcome highlights risk to new IMF deal."

01:57 The translation of Urdu, we have taken out the points from it.

02:01 "Pakistan's political uncertainty due to the elections can make the IMF financial agreement difficult."

02:08 "The deadline for the stand-by arrangement will end in March 2024."

02:13 "A new deal has a key importance for the country's credit profile."

02:17 "We assume that it will be done in a few months."

02:21 "But long negotiations or failure in the deal will increase the pressure of foreign payments and the risk of default will increase."

02:27 This is what Fitch report has said.

02:30 "In the elections, Pakistan is showing a great performance of its allies,

02:34 despite the fact that the Muslim League is now a party of the People's Party."

02:38 "Constant political instability can give a boost to any deal with the IMF."

02:43 "Second, the two-way cooperation between the parties can be a hurdle in the implementation of reforms."

02:51 "We are sure that the government will be established and will negotiate with the IMF relatively quickly."

02:56 "But there is a risk of high risks for political instability."

03:00 "If PTI is put aside, public discontent can increase."

03:05 "Because in recent elections, the public has expressed constant and strong support for PTI."

03:10 "Then, the letter of PTI has been written to the IMF."

03:15 "The letter is in English, it is a long and wide letter."

03:18 "The full translation of the letter is in Urdu."

03:23 "This is the letter of the PTI to the IMF."

03:26 "This letter is being sent to the IMF on the guidance of the PTI's Chief Chairman."

03:31 "It is important to make it clear from the beginning that PTI does not want to become a hurdle for any facilitation of the IMF."

03:40 "Which is beneficial for the country's immediate and long-term economic development."

03:44 "We demand from the IMF to follow its guidelines regarding good governance."

03:50 "And to follow the guidelines which are necessary to fulfill the financial facilitation."

03:57 "Which will be a burden on the Pakistani people to further pay off their loans."

04:01 "The National and State Assembly should make at least 30% of the seats an order."

04:05 "Which can be completed in just two weeks."

04:07 "We do not demand the role of the Investigative Agency from the IMF."

04:12 "At least two local organizations are present in Pakistan."

04:16 "Which have also offered a comprehensive proposal for the 2024 General Election."

04:21 "After that, they have said that with some amendments, it can be implemented for the satisfaction of all stakeholders."

04:28 "The role of the IMF will be a great service for the people of Pakistan."

04:32 "Which can be a sign of the country's immediate and long-term economic development."

04:37 "Ladies and gentlemen, Rauf Hassan has written this letter."

04:39 "He is a spokesperson of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf."

04:42 "He represents the PTI."

04:44 "We have met him and invited him."

04:46 "We are going to clarify a little."

04:48 "On such occasions, which we have put the situation in front of you."

04:52 "Mr. Rauf, thank you very much for giving time."

04:54 "Sir, you have seen the report of Fitch."

04:56 "You have seen the report of Moody's."

04:58 "There is political instability in Pakistan."

05:00 "There is division, polarization."

05:03 "A minority, united government is going to be formed."

05:06 "On top of this, welcome to gold."

05:08 "You have done this that you are a big political party."

05:10 "There are no two opinions in this."

05:11 "You have taken a big vote."

05:13 "You have told Moody that you will not give money."

05:16 "If understood in common sense."

05:17 "To IMF."

05:18 "You have told IMF that you will not give money."

05:20 "Until our opinion or our claim in Pakistan is that our vote has been stolen."

05:25 "Let's not talk about it."

05:26 "Your thoughts, sir."

05:27 "Look, this presumption of yours that we have, God forbid."

05:31 "To aggravate the economic situation."

05:37 "This letter is written, it is not at all correct."

05:40 "In fact, you have also read it, but it is important that I repeat it."

05:44 "In the beginning of this letter, we have said that this thing."

05:47 "I will keep explaining in the beginning."

05:50 "PTI does not want to become an obstacle in the way of any facility of the IMF for the state of Pakistan."

05:56 "Which is the country's immediate and long-term economic interest."

06:01 "So the purpose of the letter is not at all what you are presuming."

06:05 "And we have only said that there is a prerequisite for achieving the economic goals."

06:12 "And that is a public, mandated, genuine government."

06:19 "Who has the power, the strength to vote for the people, to support the people."

06:25 "Which unfortunately, the night blood that was killed in the dark."

06:29 "As a result of that, the government that is being forcibly made at the moment."

06:33 "This is a corruption of thieves and robbers."

06:35 "Rao sir, this is obviously the opinion of the journalist."

06:39 "It is respectable, but the problem is how to determine the 'faafan' and 'patan'."

06:43 "There is a legal system of Pakistan."

06:45 "There is a Supreme Court in Pakistan, there is a Court, there is an Election Tribunal."

06:49 "This will be determined there."

06:51 "The 'faafan' and 'patan' that you said, what will be the benefit after doing that?"

06:57 "How will the matter move forward?"

06:58 "I did not say that they should do it. If you have read the letter, it is very clear."

07:04 "We said that they can do it. There are two different things that they can do or they can not."

07:08 "The authority that will get this audit done."

07:14 "At the end of the day, the institution will have an option."

07:19 "They will have an option as to who they get this audit done through."

07:22 "And they can get it done."

07:24 "We are not saying that they should get the audit done through 'faafan' or 'patan'. No."

07:30 "Our aim is that there should be a government system in Pakistan."

07:35 "Which is based on the public mandate."

07:38 "We are a democracy, not a democracy."

07:40 "And the vote that has been stolen is a reality. Everything is visible."

07:44 "And that is why we say that the audit should be done at least on 30% seats."

07:50 "It should be done at 100% but we have demanded that the audit should be done at 30% seats."

07:56 "So that it is known that the vote has been stolen. That is all."

07:59 "And after that, if our institutions are sitting here, the election commission, the high court, the supreme court."

08:06 "The results of the election should be declared on the basis of genuine voting."

08:13 "And let the post-government system be formed."

08:16 "Which the government actually gets people's vote."

08:18 "Absolutely right. Your point is right. Mr. Rao, I have Hassan Youm with me."

08:23 "He wants to comment and also ask you a question. Mr. Rao, please come."

08:27 "Sir, this is not the first time that the IMF agreement has been tried to be supported by PTI."

08:34 "You must remember that an audio was written by the former treasurer, Mr. Shaukat Reen, in August 2022."

08:41 "In which he said that we cannot give any guarantee in the IMF agreement."

08:50 "Sir, my question is to you, Mr. Rao."

08:52 "The IMF should impose conditions on Pakistan."

08:57 "Is there less conditions on Pakistan? This is the first part of it."

09:01 "And the second thing is that you have written this letter."

09:05 "So, isn't the IMF inviting for intervention in Pakistan's internal affairs?"

09:10 "I can't hear you."

09:12 "The IMF is inviting for an audit of your elections."

09:20 "Is there less of an IMF's jurisdiction over Pakistan? Or have you made more demands?"

09:24 "Mr. Rao, the conditions of the IMF are less on us."

09:28 "You are asking for more conditions."

09:31 "And this is not an intervention of the IMF."

09:34 "You are seeking intervention from the IMF."

09:36 "So, the impression is that you are asking the IMF to intervene in Pakistan's internal affairs."

09:41 "Look, you are concluding on the basis of not understanding the dimensions of the letter."

09:49 "One thing is that he has used the word 'sabotage'."

09:55 "We are interested in the welfare of this country."

10:01 "PTI is a party that is committed to the state of Pakistan and to the welfare of the country."

10:06 "The way this data has been put, can't people see it?"

10:09 "You are telling us that we are sabotaging."

10:11 "We are not telling the IMF to intervene."

10:14 "If you read the guidelines, we have given two quotes from it."

10:18 "It is present in their guidelines."

10:20 "If you say, I will read it to you."

10:23 "The second guideline that we have quoted, paragraph number 19, it says."

10:26 "The action can also indicate that in the environment of widespread rumors of bad reputation."

10:31 "Where the facts can be trusted on rumors."

10:35 "To solve such issues, a free audit can be necessary."

10:42 "I am not saying this."

10:44 "This is IMF."

10:45 "When they sign a contract with you for lending money to any country."

10:49 "So, these things have to be subscribed."

10:52 "We have quoted our mandate of the IMF and said that the situation in Pakistan is appropriate."

11:00 "That you talk about an audit here and get it done."

11:03 "This is not an intervention."

11:05 "Sir, listen to me. With our help, we have an election tribunal."

11:09 "We have other courts, parliament, government, and your judiciary."

11:15 "You don't trust them, you trust the IMF more."

11:18 "We are going to the election tribunals."

11:22 "We will go everywhere."

11:24 "We will go to the election commission."

11:26 "We will go to the election commission."

11:28 "One second, let me talk."

11:30 "We are going to the election commission."

11:32 "We are going to the tribunals."

11:34 "We will go to the Supreme Court."

11:37 "We are not saying that we don't trust them."

11:40 "But unfortunately, what has been happening with us for the past two years."

11:43 "Don't people see it?"

11:45 "Haider Naqvi is with us from Karachi."

11:48 "Mr. Naqvi, please comment on this whole matter."

11:51 "If you have any questions, you can ask them."

11:54 "Yes, I have four points in which I want to talk."

11:57 "And if Mr. Raghubir is listening, he will answer."

12:00 "First, who wrote this letter?"

12:02 "Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf?"

12:04 "Who is Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf?"

12:06 "Is Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf in the parliament?"

12:08 "Does Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf have any relation with the government?"

12:11 "Is Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf making a government?"

12:14 "Is Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf raising questions on the formation of a government?"

12:17 "First, we should know who is Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf."

12:20 "At present, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf is a stranger in the system."

12:26 "That's why this letter of theirs is of no importance."

12:28 "The second thing I want to say is that you wrote a letter earlier."

12:34 "The economic conditions of Pakistan were worse than they are today."

12:37 "So what did the IMF answer you?"

12:39 "You tried to stop the IMF earlier."

12:42 "So what did the IMF answer you?"

12:44 "Third, all these things are being said on the basis of allegations."

12:48 "The election tribunal has not yet proven that what you are claiming is correct."

12:53 "Nor has any court said that what you are claiming is correct."

12:56 "In the elections of Dandli or Form 45-47."

12:59 "So if this is being said on the basis of allegations, then there are many allegations against you."

13:03 "There are many allegations against you too."

13:05 "Some of which have already been decided."

13:07 "Whether they are of corruption or of state attacks."

13:10 "So what is the answer to that?"

13:11 "Fourth, I want to ask you that let's assume."

13:15 "The IMF has taken your letter very seriously."

13:19 "And they stopped our aid."

13:21 "What will you do next?"

13:23 "How will the country go ahead? You are not in the assembly."

13:25 "You have no connection with the assembly."

13:27 "You have clearly said that we will not go to the assembly."

13:29 "Pakistan, I am talking about justice."

13:31 "Just like you gave the wrong verdict to the intraparty election."

13:33 "The Supreme Court has given the wrong verdict to your intraparty election."

13:36 "So when you cannot organize the intraparty election."

13:42 "So how can you raise questions on the elections of a country?"

13:45 "And if the IMF agrees with you that we do not give aid."

13:48 "So will you tell me how the country will run?"

13:50 "Yes, Mr. Rao."

13:51 "You will tell me, the elections will be later."

13:53 "The free and fair elections that you want will be later."

13:55 "You tell me about the entire Pakistani people."

13:58 "We have not given money, we do not have money."

14:00 "How will we run the country?"

14:02 "Yes, Mr. Rao, go ahead."

14:05 "No. 1, who is PTI?"

14:08 "PTI is Pakistan's largest political party."

14:12 "The only party with a federal presence."

14:15 "Mr. Rafi, please listen."

14:17 "I will not say anything."

14:20 "I have not interrupted."

14:22 "No, you must listen to me."

14:24 "I am sorry."

14:25 "If you say, I will get up."

14:27 "No, I am sorry, this is not right."

14:31 "Mr. Rao, go ahead."

14:34 "You have stated an indictment in your poisonous language."

14:36 "So you must have the courage to listen."

14:38 "When you listen."

14:39 "Yes, please go ahead."

14:40 "Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is Pakistan's largest political party."

14:45 "With presence in all five assemblies of the country."

14:49 "You say, who are you?"

14:52 "No. 2, when did we say that we will not sit in the assemblies?"

14:57 "Who said this?"

14:59 "I have repeatedly stated that we will sit in the assemblies and play our constitutional role."

15:04 "Along with that, I have repeatedly said that we have a legal right to fight."

15:09 "Our struggle."

15:11 "And third, I have said that we have political rights."

15:14 "And we will use them as and when we think there is a need for it."

15:18 "No. 3, in your answer."

15:20 "Please read this letter and have the courage to tolerate it."

15:25 "After that, talk to me, it will be better."

15:28 "I have not said that we will not fund Pakistan."

15:31 "If you read this after the first paragraph, then the four lines devote to this."

15:37 "We are not seeking a discontinuation of funding of Pakistan."

15:41 "We are not."

15:42 "We are just saying that our mandate has been stolen."

15:47 "This clause is present in the guidelines of the IMF."

15:52 "How can the IMF act on it?"

15:57 "All we are doing is invoking that clause of the guidelines of the IMF."

16:02 "Sir, will you read the last paragraph of your letter?"

16:05 "Kindly, you have read it."

16:07 "Will you read the last paragraph?"

16:08 "The last question is that."

16:11 "The last question that Mr. Lakhti has asked is left."

16:14 "In case, if IMF says that we believe the letter from the Tariq-e-Insaad is correct."

16:21 "And the government that has been formed in Pakistan is completely corrupt."

16:26 "And we do not fund them."

16:28 "And after that, it is obvious that Pakistan will go towards default."

16:32 "We need a lot of money."

16:33 "So, who will be responsible for that?"

16:36 "We did not demand this in your letter, first of all."

16:40 "Secondly, our appraisal is that they will not go this way."

16:44 "What we are seeking here is remedial steps."

16:48 "That the mandate that has been stolen, should be restored."

16:52 "And the mandate that the people have given to that political party."

16:56 "The right of that political party is to rule this country."

17:03 "Respected Mr. Rao Fasan, I want to ask you a very simple question."

17:10 "Not in anger, not a sharp question."

17:12 "A very simple, simple, our colleague Mr. Waseem Badami says, an innocent question."

17:18 "If you want to write a letter to the IMF, and you want to make demands from the IMF."

17:23 "Then you withdraw your applications from the tribunal."

17:27 "Or if you have confidence in the tribunals."

17:30 "Then in such a situation, there was no reason for the IMF to write a letter."

17:34 "Yes, Mr. Rao."

17:35 "I have said before that we will exercise all the options available to us."

17:42 "This is our right."

17:44 "This is our right."

17:46 "Mr. Rao, I want to ask you a small question."

17:49 "Why are you exercising the option on one's fake right and forcing the rest of the people, why?"

17:54 "Why? What is its logic?"

17:57 "Yes, Mr. Nathi, you are asking the right question."

18:02 "I want to ask a very small thing, a very small thing."

18:05 "If you did not write a letter to stop the funding, then why did you write to the IMF?"

18:09 "You write to the Supreme Court."

18:11 "You make all these requests to the Supreme Court of Pakistan."

18:14 "We are a sovereign state."

18:16 "We have repeatedly asked the Supreme Court to intervene."

18:19 "The Supreme Court did not intervene."

18:21 "Despite that, we keep writing to the Supreme Court."

18:24 "We are writing."

18:25 "We are writing."

18:26 "But as I said, we are exercising all the options available to us."

18:32 "And that is the second thing I am telling you."

18:34 "Mr. Rao, thank you very much for giving us time."

18:36 "You had already written a letter."

18:38 "Yes, yes, the letter has arrived."

18:40 "The letter has already been written."

18:42 "In the letter, Mr. Benazir Bhutto, when he was in power, he also gave a statement against it."

18:48 "The problem is that the IMF has to decide."

18:50 "Now, the IMF is already with Pakistan."

18:53 "You can see in today's news, there is a very clear news in Don."

18:57 "That it is very important for Pakistan to continue with the IMF."

19:01 "And viewers, at this time, the state of Pakistan needs an IMF package."

19:07 "Now, this letter has been written by the Justice Department."

19:11 "The majority opinion on this is that there should be a settlement within the country."

19:17 "There should be a settlement within the country."

19:20 "And in Pakistan, we have tribunals, election commission, Supreme Court of Pakistan."

19:26 "Write there."

19:27 "Because when you say that when you wash your clothes outside, it will definitely affect."

19:32 "But after that, what do they say, that in Punjabi, when you wash your own clothes, your own stomach will be naked."

19:42 "So, I think..."

19:43 "There is a wave of concern among Pakistanis."

19:45 "All the Pakistanis who are patriots, they are concerned about what has been done."

19:49 "This is a very disappointing decision of theirs."

19:52 "And even within PTI, my boss, the National Assembly elected by them, they are shocked."

19:58 "What has been done?"

19:59 "But along with this..."

20:00 "Their own eminence."

20:01 "But the important thing that needs to happen is that the elections in Pakistan..."

20:06 "The question mark on the 2024 elections is also very big."

20:12 "The election commission, its role, from announcing the results of the election to uploading Form 45."

20:20 "Now, in Punjab, there are so many officials, there are only two tribunals."

20:24 "So, this work should be done quickly."

20:26 "So that whatever questions are there, they should be addressed."

20:30 "There is a way of law in Congress."

20:33 "You should adopt that way, maybe it will be delayed."

20:36 "But it can lead to a political outcome."

20:39 "We will meet again after a short break."

20:41 "Welcome back, viewers."

20:42 "This meeting, the 16th Assembly meeting, which we were all waiting for."

20:47 "Finally, the last day, the 21st day, today is 29th February."

20:52 "The meeting was called, I told you a little while ago that the President of Pakistan called it."

20:56 "The audience was expecting a lot of slogans from both sides in regards to the meeting."

21:03 "And today we saw that when the meeting started."

21:06 "Especially the people who are supportive of Pakistan's justice."

21:09 "Who are present with the Sunni Unity Council."

21:13 "Nakbir Sahib, you were criticizing them a little indirectly."

21:17 "You have no sign of a name."

21:19 "But obviously, they say that this is our sign of a name."

21:22 "Today, they took pictures of Bani PTI and put slogans on it."

21:27 "On the other hand, obviously, the lion, Iqbali Fair."

21:30 "You know, after 2017, once again."

21:34 "The former Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif Sahib."

21:39 "He also came to the National Assembly."

21:41 "He raised his flag and signed the roll call."

21:43 "We have prepared a montage."

21:45 "Today, whatever happened in the National Assembly, we will show you."

21:50 "Justice! Justice! Justice for the people!"

21:53 "Order in the house, please."

22:01 "You are a member of the Parliament."

22:09 "Then make him sit."

22:12 "He is taking pictures."

22:17 "Justice! Justice! Justice for the people!"

22:20 "Prisoner number 804."

22:27 "What is your relation with the people?"

22:30 "Today is the first day of the National Assembly."

22:33 "We have come with good traditions."

22:35 "You please sit down."

22:37 "Omar Sahib, who will listen to you tomorrow?"

22:40 "They will make noise."

22:41 "Have the courage to listen."

22:43 "They are making noise because..."

22:46 "People have asked for an apology."

22:52 "Ivan's proceedings are postponed till 10 am on Friday, 1st March, 2024."

22:59 Viewers, they say in English that democracy is always noisy.

23:07 Wherever there is a democracy, there is always noise.

23:10 So, I think the presence of the Parliament is a good news for us.

23:14 There is a lot of fight in the Parliament.

23:16 I am covering the 5th National Assembly.

23:19 So, this happens.

23:20 But today, three important statements came in front of us.

23:23 The parties of the three big leaders are present.

23:25 First of all, what is Barrister Gohar Sahib saying?

23:29 Listen to the matter of his reserve seats.

23:32 "This house is incomplete."

23:35 "The point of order is on this technical point."

23:38 "Our women members are in the Jains."

23:42 "This woman, Alia Hamza Sahiba, is in the Jains."

23:49 "Her name is on the women's reserve list."

23:52 "And she, and the rest of our women, have not yet come to the list..."

23:59 "...who were supposed to take the house today."

24:03 "This house is incomplete."

24:05 "Our 23 women are supposed to come."

24:08 "Until she comes, you will rule against the Election Commission."

24:13 "This is my request to you."

24:14 Umar Ayub Sahib was also present.

24:17 He is the candidate for Prime Minister.

24:18 The second statement was given by our respected Nawaz Sharif.

24:21 Obviously, his party is going to form a government.

24:24 So, the challenges that he is facing in the coming days...

24:27 What is the biggest challenge for the government and what will it do?

24:32 "I feel that the next 1.5-2 years will be difficult for you."

24:39 "In this difficult time, we have to stay united like this..."

24:44 "...and we have to face our opponents."

24:48 "In which you will have to make difficult decisions."

24:51 And viewers, another experienced politician...

24:55 You saw his press conference the other day.

24:57 He said, "I took part in my father's election campaign."

25:01 Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib...

25:03 He is not expressing any good views about the current Assembly.

25:08 "Our position is very clear."

25:11 "We do not want to be a part of any government."

25:14 "We have not been excluded from the system."

25:19 "We have decided to stay out of the system."

25:23 "I will tell you in the coming days that those who are inside the system will cry."

25:28 "And those who are outside the system will speak out."

25:32 "The country will not work with them."

25:34 "This system will not work."

25:36 "It will collapse."

25:37 "Our basic decision is that we will not take part in any vote."

25:41 Naqib Bihari Sahib, today was the first day of the session.

25:46 The circumstances that you saw today...

25:49 What are your thoughts?

25:51 Will the Assembly work? Will it complete its time?

25:54 The circumstances that we see...

25:57 Do you think that the whole process will go smoothly?

26:00 I was listening to Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib.

26:03 I will answer in his style.

26:05 When the Assembly came in 2018, Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib was very vocal.

26:10 He said, "You should not go to the Assembly."

26:14 "You should resign from the Assembly."

26:18 "This Assembly will not work."

26:20 And when this Assembly was broken...

26:23 The people who were in the front row to break this Assembly...

26:26 Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib was the most prominent.

26:29 This Assembly will work. It will complete 5 years.

26:32 And God willing, powers like Maulana Fazl Rehman Sahib will run this Assembly.

26:37 And it is very important for this Assembly to run.

26:40 It is very important.

26:41 After seeing all these statements, I can only say one thing.

26:44 I remembered a poem by Rahat Indori Sahib.

26:47 "Liars have told liars to speak the truth."

26:50 "That is the only fight."

26:52 The problem is that you have not left anyone.

26:57 "Liars have told liars to speak the truth."

27:00 You are all fighting.

27:03 How long will you keep showing this to the people?

27:05 You all have to sit down for the sake of the Pakistani people.

27:08 The people are tired of watching these dramas.

27:10 The people are tired of watching your daily dramas.

27:13 If I say one is wrong and the other is right, then fight among yourselves.

27:16 You are all blaming each other.

27:19 End this. End this for the sake of this nation.

27:22 The IMF is not in your control.

27:24 The inflation is not in your control.

27:27 If security is not in your control, then at least showing your sincerity is part of your upbringing.

27:33 It is in your control.

27:35 For God's sake, control this.

27:37 Have mercy on us. Have mercy on the people.

27:39 There was an opinion of yours.

27:41 That people will sell them, but they will remain intact.

27:45 There was also an opinion of yours.

27:47 We assess the journalists.

27:49 Some things are proven right, some things are proven wrong.

27:51 There was also a possibility.

27:53 You said that you are not looking at the PTI government anywhere in Pakistan, including KP.

27:59 Now they have KP.

28:01 So, everyone has stakes in the system.

28:05 It is better to run it for everyone.

28:08 So, keeping these incidents in front of you,

28:11 the thief, who will save them, the biggest criminal, all these big players,

28:18 do you think this environment was normal?

28:22 It was normal. I think there were no bad conditions.

28:25 We took a vote.

28:26 Look, there should be a little bit of warmth.

28:29 Obviously, the different political parties, the united ones, will be on one side,

28:36 the other parties are on their side.

28:38 But, look, what I said, that they will sell,

28:41 so if the buyer moves back,

28:43 then obviously, the thing that was worth selling,

28:47 the buyer will not get it.

28:49 But, I will tell you one thing,

28:51 the Sunni Union did not go to the elections.

28:53 They did not fight the elections.

28:55 No one fought the elections on their ticket.

28:57 So, it is possible that the decision that the Election Commission is going to make,

29:00 there is a possibility, looking at the merits of the case,

29:03 that the Election Commission will declare all these Iraqis free.

29:06 This is one possibility.

29:08 And the second thing, you showed a shot about Moulana,

29:12 so I want to tell a patient about Moulana,

29:16 that the day former Vizagism, Mohammad Nawaz Sharif,

29:19 goes to Moulana,

29:21 then Moulana will also come into the system.

29:24 But, Moulana will not agree to less than this.

29:26 And, you know, Nawaz Sharif,

29:30 look, when he goes to make his friend.

29:33 I want to go to the break, but before going to the break,

29:36 Mr. Nayyub is saying this and giving hope that those people,

29:39 who had some foundations,

29:41 keep hope.

29:43 In the Election Commission, Pakistan may declare you free again.

29:46 And, obviously, when you become free,

29:49 then you will roam freely in the spaces.

29:51 And, you know, the umbrella on which someone will put more grains,

29:54 you can sit there.

29:56 But, in my opinion, this is a little different.

29:58 I don't, I think the Election Commission will decide this.

30:02 If not, then the Supreme Court will have to make a decision on this.

30:05 Because, it is not possible that people will remain free in such a large number.

30:10 See you again after the break.

30:12 Welcome back, viewers.

30:13 Obviously, tomorrow, there will be elections for Speaker and Deputy Speaker in the National Assembly.

30:16 On behalf of the Government Union,

30:18 Mr. Syed Sadiq has submitted the nomination papers for the Speaker.

30:22 And, for the Deputy Speaker,

30:23 the nominated candidates for the People's Party will be

30:26 Ghulam Mustafa.

30:28 And, Sunni Union or Pakistan Telecom,

30:30 Mr. Tariq-e-Sahib, whoever you want to call them,

30:32 you can call them.

30:33 Mr. Ahmed Dogar will be for the Speaker.

30:34 And, for the Deputy Speaker,

30:35 Junaid Akbar Sunit,

30:37 he will be on behalf of Sunit Haq.

30:39 He has submitted the nomination papers.

30:41 But, viewers, the matter is not settled here.

30:44 That is the Election Commission.

30:46 Mr. Nabi, see,

30:48 my opinion and yours may differ.

30:50 But, the facts, the ground facts,

30:52 you cannot ignore them.

30:54 The Election Act is very clear.

30:57 And, you may remember, more than once,

31:00 there were briefings.

31:01 More than once, the Election Commission of Pakistan told us.

31:04 When we gave the story,

31:05 our own reporters gave the story,

31:06 that, "Mr. Nabi, your system can fail and there can be big problems."

31:10 Such a big clarification came that,

31:12 "You are doing this wrong."

31:14 The whole country should fail,

31:16 the internet should fail,

31:17 the electricity should fail,

31:18 and yet, we are on the internet.

31:20 The interview results,

31:21 which are within, at the maximum,

31:24 10 o'clock, it was very late,

31:27 will be given to you by 2 o'clock.

31:29 Till now, you know,

31:31 Farm45 was to be uploaded within 40 days.

31:33 It was not uploaded.

31:34 Now, we are not saying this at all,

31:36 Khawar Guman, Hasan Ayub,

31:38 you are not saying that,

31:39 these seats should be given to this party or that party.

31:42 God forbid, make a decision.

31:44 So, why is the Election Commission doing this?

31:46 I mean, in your observation,

31:49 the Election Commission,

31:51 what is it?

31:52 Yes, see,

31:54 the first question was,

31:56 whether the Assembly meeting will be held or not.

31:58 It is done today.

32:00 Okay?

32:01 And tomorrow, the speaker will be the Deputy Speaker,

32:03 and the next day,

32:04 the next day, maybe the Prime Minister will be elected.

32:06 So, let's talk about some logic.

32:08 Now, suppose, the Election Commission

32:10 has given these 16 seats to the Sunni Council.

32:14 Now, even after getting these 16 seats,

32:17 is the Sunni Council capable of making its own speaker?

32:20 Is it capable of making a Deputy Speaker?

32:23 Is it capable of bringing in a Prime Minister?

32:25 If it is not,

32:26 if your numbers are not complete,

32:28 and the number of your opponents is much more than yours,

32:30 then let this system run with spirituality.

32:34 Don't bring spirituality into this system,

32:37 bring spirituality.

32:39 Don't put anger and arrogance into it,

32:41 let it run.

32:42 One thing,

32:43 this is what I,

32:44 the question you asked me,

32:45 that tomorrow is the election,

32:46 and what will happen now,

32:47 that the decision has not yet been made,

32:48 I have answered that.

32:49 Now, when we talk about this,

32:50 I want to say a small thing in addition.

32:52 Imran Khan,

32:53 this is for the Pakistani people,

32:55 Imran Khan is the only politician in Pakistan,

32:58 who went to the IMF even when he was the Prime Minister,

33:01 and when he was the opposition leader,

33:03 he went to the IMF even then,

33:04 when he was the Prime Minister,

33:05 he went to ask for money,

33:06 and when he was the opposition leader,

33:08 he went to stop the money.

33:10 The Pakistani people should remember this.

33:12 There are some facts, Mr. Naqvi,

33:13 when he was the opposition leader,

33:14 and he used to say that he never went to the IMF.

33:16 He even committed suicide before going to the IMF.

33:18 When he was the opposition leader,

33:19 he went to the IMF three times.

33:21 He said that he would never go to the IMF.

33:22 He said that he would kill himself in the opposition.

33:24 Mr. Naqvi, this is a matter of personal opinion.

33:26 You listen to me.

33:27 This is a matter of personal opinion.

33:28 When he was the opposition leader,

33:29 he went to the IMF three times,

33:31 and he even went to the board of governors,

33:33 and he said,

33:34 "Mr. Allah, listen to us,

33:36 and we will help you."

33:37 And he himself made a promise,

33:38 and when he was going,

33:39 he violated that promise.

33:41 The PDL,

33:42 the PDL for the petrol and diesel,

33:45 he also violated that.

33:46 [SPEAKING HINDI]

The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain | ARY News | 29th February 2024

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