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Host:
- Meher Bokhari
Guests:
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Shahzad Iqbal (Analyst)
- Habib Akram (Analyst)
"Yeh Govt Deliver Nahi Karsakegi...", Javed Latif's Big Statement Regarding PDM 2
"Inkay Liye Challenge PTI Hai Na Kay...", Habib Akram's Analysis
Kya Maryam Nawaz Punjab Govt Kay Faislay Lenay Mein Azad Hongi?
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Meher Bokhari
Guests:
- Mian Javed Latif PMLN
- Shahzad Iqbal (Analyst)
- Habib Akram (Analyst)
"Yeh Govt Deliver Nahi Karsakegi...", Javed Latif's Big Statement Regarding PDM 2
"Inkay Liye Challenge PTI Hai Na Kay...", Habib Akram's Analysis
Kya Maryam Nawaz Punjab Govt Kay Faislay Lenay Mein Azad Hongi?
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00:00 Assalamu alaikum and good evening. I am Meher Bukhari. The government has gone through a phase of complete destruction. The formula of participation in the Noon League and People's Party has been decided.
00:19 The Noon League has been formed by the joint committee of the Shibasheri Wazirate-e-Uzma and Asef Ali Zardari, who are nominated for the post of chairman of the People's Party, deputy chairman of the Muslim League Noon, speaker of the National Assembly PPP, deputy speaker of the Muslim League Noon, governor of Punjab, Pakistan People's Party, governor of Sindh, Pakistan Muslim League Noon, and both the communities in Baluchistan will hold power for a half-hour.
00:40 The Pakistan People's Party has presented the position of the Noon League's speaker and senior minister in Baluchistan. And for Hazar Teala, Sadiq Umrani, Sanaullah Zahiri and Sir Fraz Bukhti are being considered.
00:54 After 12 days of political turmoil, the Pakistan People's Party will not be present at the government offices of loyalty in this agreement of five-year partnership. The Pakistan People's Party, which is a support in political challenges, is not ready to be a part of the economic, political and diplomatic battle.
01:13 In this joint press conference, the answer to save the political situation between the two communities was also dominant. The chairman of the People's Party, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, who holds the position of the Noon League's speaker, put all the responsibility on the head of the deputy prime minister and tried to tell that the People's Party is not responsible for the bad activities.
01:34 Who will be the governor? Who will be the speaker? I am sorry to say that the people are so interested in these issues. The people are waiting for a prime minister. We can address their issues, especially the economy.
01:49 Our effort will be to become a government as soon as possible so that Mr. Shabaz Sharif and the economic team can start their work. And we will help as much as we can.
02:01 We can address the issues, we can help as much as we can. But there is so much mistrust in this relationship that the deputy prime minister also said in response that if it is sweet, then move forward, and if it is bitter, then move back.
02:15 We have come together to solve these issues and we have taken this responsibility as a Pakistani, as a president. It is our duty that if it is sweet, then we all move forward, and if it is bitter, then we all move back. This is not us.
02:31 According to the formula of the participant, the position of the governor in Punjab can be given to the late Ahmed Mehmood, late Kaira and Nadeem Afzal Chand of the People's Party. For Governor Sindh, the People's Party has left the position for Muslim League Noon.
02:45 And the chances are that the position will be given to the NQM, but the most important union movement of the government, the National Movement, does not have any interest in the governorship and declares it its right.
02:56 We do not want to discuss the position of the governor. We have a mandate of this city, so it is our right. This is the government that will continue and we should have this governorship.
03:09 MQM Pakistan has put forward three major demands before the Muslim League Noon. The first demand is that the NFC award money should be given directly to the local governments instead of the provinces. The second big demand is that the local governments should be continued and where this is not the case, the general elections should be stopped.
03:26 And the third demand is that the quota system should be made effective and reliable throughout the country. The final decision has not yet been made on the demands of MQM Pakistan, but with 17 national sessions, the MQM has taken on a major key role in this whole setup.
03:44 And if we look at the general and reserve seats of the Muslim League Noon, Pakistan People's Party and MQM, then the number of 188 is visible. And if the Muslim League Noon, Pakistan People's Party, IPP, Muslim League Kaaf, Baap Party and Azad Umidwaron are also included in this, then this number reaches up to 198.
04:07 In contrast, the Azad Umidwaron and their special sessions reach up to 120.
04:15 That is, the JUIP, PKMAP, National Party, Pakistan National Awami Party, Pakistan Muslim League Zia and Balochistan National Party have a total of 10 sessions. If they are now joining the government, or not, or are becoming part of the opposition, it is too early to say anything about this.
04:32 Because today, Abdul Ghafoor Haidri of the JUIP has met with Saqdar and has proposed to form a government together in Balochistan. But the Muslim League Noon has clearly denied Maulana that our people's party has already settled the matter, you have delayed the bus, so to say.
04:49 Similarly, Sadiq Sanjani has also met with Saqdar and has demanded to give him an important position in Balochistan. The dispute is still ongoing. So, in Sindh, the JDA and the opposition on the Islamic Community are getting a final look.
05:03 On the other hand, we see that the JUIP is busy taking its special sessions under the umbrella of the Sunni Jihad Council.
05:09 According to the Election Act 2017, the political parties that are fighting for the elections have to submit a list of candidates before the elections.
05:19 The problem here is that since the Sunni Jihad Council has not won a single session in the Maskura Assembly, can the Election Commission accept the names of the candidates submitted by them or not?
05:30 This is a very big question. In the Election Act 2017, it is stated that the list of candidates submitted by a political party will not be changed after the date of the new list is completed.
05:46 The question is whether the Sunni Jihad Council has submitted such a list before the elections and can it be added to the list after the deadline is over? These are legal matters that need to be addressed.
06:00 But, in 2018, the list of candidates submitted by the Sunni Jihad Council was not added to the list of candidates submitted by the Punjab Legislative Assembly.
06:19 This is a very big problem. You cannot just transfer that to another party. It is their right. It cannot be stopped.
06:31 According to experts, the JUIP can get its special sessions under the umbrella of the Sunni Jihad Council.
06:38 People's Party has also moved from the impossible position of Bilawal to the possible position. Muslim League Noon has also decided to form a minority government. Do you think this is the best solution?
06:55 You are right. If there was another option, Muslim League Noon would have taken it. Unfortunately, if the people who have been brought in were allowed to govern, people would have known what their situation is in 4-6 months.
07:19 But, what Muslim League Noon has done today, there was no other option. People's Party was not in a position to form a government without Muslim League Noon.
07:38 The government is being formed in such a situation that if we had not taken the 16-month government, the country would have defaulted.
07:55 People say that Muslim League Noon has done this to end their claims. The inflation that happened on 8th February, the state has sacrificed for the state.
08:14 So, you are seeing this as a sacrifice and an alliance of helplessness?
08:20 Absolutely. This is not a matter of happiness or a claim. This is a sacrifice. There was no other option to save the country and the system.
08:36 Javed Latif, you were saying that 90% of the people in the community were against the opposition. Shabbah Shari was not happy.
08:46 I am saying that the people who ruined the country have become angels and those who have sacrificed their lives have become criminals.
09:06 You are saying that this is an alliance of helplessness. How much will the People's Party bear? They were not in a position to form a cabinet and make you the Prime Minister.
09:25 But now the budget is coming and the most important decisions are to be made. Will the responsibility of the Noon League be taken?
09:36 We should remember that in 2008, when they formed the government, we were a part of the cabinet and then we left the cabinet after a while.
09:54 We were not in agreement with the politicians and we left the cabinet. So, today, can we not be in agreement with the politicians?
10:05 We should remember all these things. And as far as your question is concerned, that they say that it is for you, we say that it is for them. So, have these voices not started to rise today?
10:26 If you say that if a state is attacked, but it is successful and wins by votes, then the crime should be eliminated and then the law should be eliminated.
10:38 Sir, I have to go to the courts. You have given a very important example of 2008 and in reality, this is a simple thing.
10:49 Zardari has said that the Quran and Hadith agreements do not exist. What is your certainty today that they will not go back on the agreements?
10:58 The most important decisions will be taken. When you will give a budget in which the screams of the people will come out, because the IMF has to go to the IMF,
11:05 electricity, gas, all the prices will increase, inflation will happen, the back will be strained. What is the guarantee you have today?
11:13 Look, the thing is that we have a majority in Punjab, we should make a government. The People's Party has a majority in Sindh, we should make a government.
11:25 In Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, there is a majority of another community, it should be made. Balochistan is also like this. But in Pakistan, the national government is…
11:35 Actually, there is a different thing in Balochistan, Mr. Javed Naseem. You complete the point and then I will tell you.
11:40 You are right. You are right.
11:42 No, because you are helping them to make a government. They are not helping you to make a government here.
11:47 When they are not sitting in the cabinet with you, then why are you helping them in Balochistan?
11:52 The thing is that this government that is being made or the way it is being made, will it be able to deliver or not?
12:02 The reason for that is that the gas bills that have just come in two days, people have started screaming.
12:09 Today, the bills that will come after the electricity bill, people will start screaming.
12:13 And all this inflation, the Muslim League is now left to sacrifice, that it should keep on sacrificing and other people should keep enjoying.
12:24 The solution for this is that a national government should be made and all the communities that have come to the parliament,
12:34 or people have come, a national government should be made and its time frame should be given,
12:41 and a decision should be made regarding the economy.
12:46 This government is not a set up that will deliver. This set up will not be able to give anything to the community.
12:55 Unfortunately, an arrangement is being made to run the system or to run the state affairs.
13:04 But people's trust will keep on rising on this.
13:08 And the way there is a protest in three small provinces regarding the election results,
13:16 then people will start screaming and protesting regarding inflation,
13:22 and the spread that will be created in the country will not be left in anyone's control.
13:27 Sir, you are trusting the policy makers before making a government?
13:31 You have been out of the electoral ring after the results, but you are not out of the political community's ring.
13:38 You are trusting the policy makers before making a government, so you must be seeing something.
13:43 What is your experience?
13:45 What is Mr. Mian thinking about this situation?
13:48 He was not present at yesterday's press conference, nor is he coming in front of the camera, nor is he talking to anyone in front of the camera or behind the camera.
13:55 So why is he missing from the political scene?
13:58 As far as Nawaz Sharif's identity is concerned, he was not active before, nor will he be today.
14:07 He was active before, he will run the party, and if the government is formed in Punjab or in the center, then we will definitely see it.
14:19 But the fact that Nawaz Sharif was supposed to be delivered for the state, will anyone still disagree with me?
14:29 This is my personal opinion, not the opinion of my community.
14:33 My opinion is that Nawaz Sharif, as a senior politician, as the senior person in this field, who could have delivered for the state, may not be able to do so now.
14:49 He may be able to deliver for the community, but no one else can do it for this state, except Nawaz Sharif.
14:57 This is my opinion.
14:58 You have clearly said that you do not see this happening. There is also a lack of trust behind this.
15:03 There is also a lack of trust between the two parties, or the people's party, in not being a shareholder in the burden, nor taking decisions, nor sitting.
15:11 It is a very ideal situation, but how long do you see this going on?
15:15 I mean, at best.
15:17 Look, the basic thing is that the simple majority does not let anyone meet.
15:26 I am still very clear in this matter that people's trust in this system had to be strengthened then.
15:36 Only then this system would have delivered something.
15:40 If at least one community had a simple majority, it could have made better decisions for the state.
15:48 It could have provided some better equipment for the coming generations.
15:53 But tell me, people from different places, and I am saying this with pride, I have said this before on your channel,
16:04 I am repeating it again, that Shabaz Sharif himself was not happy about this,
16:10 he was not, he was not, that he was made Prime Minister in these circumstances, by the community.
16:18 He also wanted that we should not be in the opposition, that we should give the people's party the Prime Minister's position.
16:23 What kind of compulsion is this? That he is not happy?
16:26 You see, unfortunately, the election results today, no community is ready to take the Prime Minister's position.
16:38 It is unfortunate. You can guess from this, what kind of system, system or government will deliver.
16:48 Sir, I am unable to understand.
16:50 But still, it is a prayer, I am still praying that may Allah make it better for the state.
16:56 Inshallah, thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Javed Latif. We will take a short break and be right back.
17:06 Corruption is my red line. I will not disappoint you.
17:10 By announcing 1 lakh homes, 5 IT cities, health cards, clean Punjab and youth scholarships,
17:16 the first lady of Pakistan, the famous Prime Minister of Punjab, Maryam Nawaz Sharif,
17:21 made this promise and announcement, in which she mentioned big ticket items.
17:27 Maryam Nawaz not only told about the challenges in front of her,
17:31 but also has an ambitious plan, which will be a challenging task.
17:40 The streets should not remain broken. We will take safe city to all the cities of Punjab.
17:46 We will make 5 IT cities. Marriage certificate, death certificate, we are starting home delivery for them.
17:52 We will give interest-free loans, we will start free treatment, we will start air ambulance.
17:58 Every city should have a facility for special children.
18:01 We will improve teacher quality, we will make IT labs, science labs.
18:05 We will give science teachers where they are not available.
18:09 We will improve skill development.
18:11 We will deliver 60-70 lakh Ramzan relief packages on their doorstep.
18:15 We will make 1 lakh homes for the poor.
18:19 To convince the youth, Maryam Sahiba promised to give scholarships.
18:24 Punjab should be prosperous.
18:26 And in Ivy League universities and the renowned universities of the world,
18:30 the Punjab government should give scholarships to the youth and the youth should go abroad to study.
18:35 Along with corruption, Maryam Nawaz has declared many things as her red line.
18:40 Corruption is my red line. Bad governance is my red line.
18:44 Performance is my red line.
18:46 Taking law and order in your hands for political benefits is my red line.
18:52 Transfers, postings, in this, the support and the merit of this is my red line.
18:58 Maryam Nawaz said at the end of her speech that this is the government of Nawaz Sharif.
19:04 These are the plans of Nawaz Sharif and no one is sidelining them.
19:08 Wherever Muslim League is making a government, whether it is federal or Punjab,
19:14 this is the government of Nawaz Sharif.
19:16 In Punjab, a revolutionary agenda is being made under the leadership of Nawaz Sharif.
19:21 And the agenda that I have just put in front of you, you will be happy to know that Nawaz Sharif has made this agenda himself.
19:28 He has himself chaired the meetings.
19:30 He will be involved in everything.
19:32 He will supervise these governments.
19:36 In fact, he will be active in politics for the next five years in a full way because Pakistan needs Nawaz Sharif at this time.
19:46 The biggest challenge for the leader of the state is the political credibility of the party.
19:53 It will be a big challenge to make her fall.
19:58 She will indeed have to fill very big shoes.
20:01 She is going to take over the post of the minister for the first time.
20:04 But Maryam Nawaz had also promised to give electricity for free before the election.
20:08 The plan is not put in front of you today.
20:11 May God grant victory to Muslim League Noon.
20:14 There will be gas in every house.
20:16 Electricity bills will also be reduced.
20:18 God willing, people below 200 units will get free electricity.
20:22 She says, I know I have big shoes to fill.
20:25 Maryam Nawaz said that the leader of Muslim League Noon, Nawaz Sharif and the party president Shabaz Sharif,
20:30 according to the examples and traditions that the Prime Minister has presented in his time,
20:35 a new era will begin in Punjab from today.
20:38 Is it really so?
20:39 Does she have the financial space to deliver on everything she is saying?
20:42 We will talk to two senior journalists, Habib Akram and Shehzad Iqbal.
20:46 Thank you both very much.
20:48 I will start with you.
20:49 Please tell us, Maryam Sahiba has announced big projects and big ticket projects.
20:53 She is talking about hospitals, IT cities, health services, so on and so forth.
20:58 Where will this money come from?
21:00 The province also has to generate money.
21:01 She did not give any clarity on this.
21:04 First of all, all these projects seem very happy, but in nature,
21:11 in their nature, all these are municipal projects.
21:15 That is, we will do this in a city, we will do this in a health project.
21:19 All these are basically the work that a mayor should do,
21:23 and a mayor or a district mayor should do, as we had at some time.
21:28 So, the project that is planned as a municipal project, you have mentioned it,
21:34 how to promote business in the province.
21:37 And whenever business or economy has to be promoted,
21:40 then political stability is needed for that.
21:43 And in Pakistan, unfortunately, we see that political risk is the biggest
21:48 obstacle in the way of investment.
21:51 So, I think that political risk has increased due to the development of these two laws.
21:56 The reason for this is that the election that has resulted in the existence of these laws,
22:00 there are many questions and signs on the election.
22:03 And with this, we will see later.
22:05 Mr. Habib, if Mariam and PMLN have comfortable numbers in Punjab,
22:08 so if you are saying that these are low-level projects,
22:12 do you think that if uncle is present above and she is present below,
22:16 then we will see a smooth kind of work,
22:19 not like the one in 1998-1990, which was done by BB Shaheed and Mia Sahab?
22:26 Look, understand one thing, that their challenge is not the government of the past.
22:31 Their challenge is the justice of Pakistan's policy,
22:34 which has been in the government of the past 16 months and will remain in the government in the future.
22:38 And with that, they have a very big issue and it is very logical
22:41 that there is an election in Pakistan,
22:43 what the international media is saying about it,
22:45 what the own media of Pakistan is saying,
22:47 how many complaints have gone to the election commission against that election,
22:51 and how many parties have said about this election that they are concerned,
22:55 in fact, there have been big demonstrations in many places.
22:58 So, the political risk will remain in constant connection with this government.
23:03 The 16-month government from 2022 to 2023,
23:08 you saw that this government could not do anything despite wanting to.
23:12 The reason for this was that this government was a mixed government,
23:15 and along with being a mixed government,
23:17 there was a very big party of the parliament,
23:20 which did not get any share in the government.
23:22 So, even now, we are exactly the same.
23:24 The biggest party is not in the government,
23:27 and the small pieces of the mandate have been reduced to a mandate.
23:31 I will also include you in this comparison.
23:34 According to Mariam Sahiba,
23:37 in Punjab, in addition to filling the boots of the minister who delivers the Mutharay like Shabaz Sharif,
23:43 she set the bar quite high for herself.
23:45 She will have to take Hamza Shabaz along with her,
23:48 who has been the deputy minister of Punjab for almost 10 years.
23:51 These dynamics are present in the party as well,
23:54 and then there are those dynamics that Habib is talking about.
23:56 Is it an uphill task for her?
23:58 Yes, Meher, thank you very much.
24:00 First of all, you asked the basic question,
24:03 where will the money come from?
24:04 See, the money that is given to the provinces by the Wafaaq,
24:07 the provinces make their annual development program in it.
24:11 So, the money for all the schemes that you have told,
24:15 the schemes that are planned, the money is there.
24:17 It is our bad luck that from the 18th amendment,
24:20 you gave autonomy to the provinces,
24:22 you gave them the powers,
24:24 but they do not generate their resources.
24:27 And that is why we are seeing that a debate is going on,
24:29 in which maybe Khazan Abbasi, iftar Ismail Sahib,
24:32 or even when Asad Umar came,
24:34 when the Shaukatareen came,
24:36 they kept complaining that when Wafaaq gives money to the provinces through the NFC,
24:40 then very little money is left with them.
24:42 Basically, they are starting their budget from the negative.
24:45 So, the provinces definitely need to work on this.
24:47 First of all, the resources that have been transferred to the provinces should not be in Wafaaq.
24:51 Secondly, the provinces have to generate their own money.
24:54 In this, there is agriculture tax, real estate tax,
24:57 this has to be applied, retailers, services taxes,
25:00 all these things have to be done, only then the provinces will be able to generate money.
25:03 Otherwise, obviously, it depends on Wafaaq.
25:05 But you remember Mariam Sahiba's tweet about retailers,
25:07 about withdrawing taxes,
25:10 the PSDP will also be under the strict watch of the IMF.
25:12 So, these 12 challenges will be there.
25:14 But, Shehzad, Mariam may not face the bureaucracy of Punjab,
25:20 because almost all the decisions are made by her uncle.
25:23 I mean, she will not face the threat from the system,
25:25 but the vision, ideas,
25:27 the youth, to inspire them,
25:30 it is necessary that her team is also on board,
25:34 that she is successful, that she plays an important role in the team.
25:37 Because, due to her first experience, she will face criticism.
25:40 Yes, look, I don't think that the bureaucracy will be a big challenge.
25:44 And if you see, the movement of Justice,
25:46 the government before this, the government of Noon League,
25:48 there is a clear difference that Noon League knows how to get things done with bureaucracy.
25:51 And in Punjab, they have ruled many times,
25:54 so they are aware of how to get things done with bureaucracy.
25:58 In fact, Shehzad Shaikh's model was to keep 2-3 ministers,
26:01 and he used to get the rest of the work done with bureaucracy.
26:03 Now we will have to see what is the model of Mariam Nawaz?
26:06 Will she also depend more on bureaucracy like Shehzad Shaikh?
26:09 Or will her cabinet be so strong that she will deliver?
26:13 One thing, she herself has said that Nawaz Shaikh will help her a lot,
26:17 will help her in running the Punjab government.
26:19 But Mariam Sahiba's own test will be that,
26:22 politically she has made her voice heard,
26:25 when the party was in trouble, she ran a movement,
26:28 and she said that we will do Mujahidat, we got Mujahidat,
26:31 and she has shown success in that.
26:33 And you know, there is a crowd puller, she goes to Jalsa, she does a lot of Jalsa.
26:36 But, Mariam Nawaz Sahiba's experience of administrative and governance is zero.
26:42 Not only in public administration,
26:45 even privately she has not worked in any such organization,
26:49 nor has she made any organization.
26:51 So, I think how she overcomes a lack of experience,
26:55 this will be very important.
26:57 And for that, her team will have to be very strong,
27:00 because as I said, she has gained political experience,
27:03 she has also achieved success in that,
27:05 but she does not have the experience of governance and administrative.
27:07 And Habib, she said that she wants the best, clean and hardworking people for the cabinet election.
27:13 And then she also told her red lines,
27:15 that corruption, performance, all these are my red lines.
27:18 What do you think, will she run on Shabaz's model,
27:21 will she work with bureaucracy,
27:23 or will she make a mobile team,
27:25 and how free will she be in running that team?
27:28 Look, all the proposals that she has announced today,
27:31 all of them are about bureaucracy.
27:34 Since the last election, this is the first meeting, political.
27:38 But before that, all the proposals that she has announced today,
27:43 are actually the result of the basics that various factories in the public sector,
27:46 in the IG, in the Haseeb factory, have given her.
27:49 So, therefore, you can see that all of them,
27:52 a bureaucratic organization, or bureaucratic objectives are visible,
27:56 but there is no political input in this.
27:59 And the result of this is that, like she was saying today,
28:02 that maybe there is a big problem of sewage in the villages.
28:05 Although there is no problem of sewage in the villages,
28:07 there are some other issues in the villages.
28:09 So, therefore, the proposals that the bureaucracy has made, have been made.
28:12 And all the proposals that were made today,
28:14 they were all bureaucratic in their nature.
28:16 And the outcomes of all this are also bureaucratic, not political.
28:20 So, therefore, today, for the first time, we have seen that
28:23 her first interaction, political,
28:26 we have seen that the interaction that she has made on the basis of bureaucracy,
28:30 and the objectives that she has expressed in that,
28:33 those are completely made by the bureaucrats.
28:36 Secondly, as far as the team is concerned,
28:39 the team, obviously, they have,
28:42 to say the least, they are saying the right thing,
28:45 that the basic thing should be that, based on performance,
28:48 but the political challenge that is in front of them,
28:51 that is such that they can easily,
28:54 they can't even do it on the team.
28:56 Do you see a big name there,
28:58 with them, in the cabinet, like Shabashiri sir,
29:00 Rana Sanaullah was also there, Rana Mashood was also there.
29:02 Yes, see, with them, you have to make your team in this,
29:06 there, their political threat is also that,
29:08 there are a lot of people in their team,
29:11 whose seats are in their own,
29:13 that is, getting seats is a mandate through the question.
29:16 So, therefore, at such a time, when their seats themselves will be in the courts,
29:20 then that demand will be from them as well.
29:23 And then the new people, on whose basis this majority has been formed,
29:26 they too must have come on the basis of some claim, some promise.
29:30 So, therefore, they too have kept their demands.
29:33 And the third thing, what they are saying,
29:35 that we, you, beware, a person came to me,
29:37 who, who, who, who, politically,
29:40 some motivated, to get a change or transfer,
29:43 then they too will have to face it.
29:45 Because they don't have that majority of 2013,
29:49 that many people can ignore their political adversaries.
29:56 Now they will not have this chance.
29:59 So, therefore, in a difficult political situation,
30:02 they have managed the government of the largest province of Punjab.
30:05 So, when the first assembly will be held,
30:08 as soon as the cabinet is formed,
30:09 then after that, within the party,
30:11 the various ministries will start playing for their slots.
30:15 So, it is not such an easy task to say this,
30:18 to say this, and to do this, there is a big difference.
30:21 All the ministries say that now we will play for the merit,
30:24 we will bring people on the basis of merit,
30:26 we will make our cabinet, we will make it short.
30:29 But you said that this could not have happened,
30:32 in 2001, excuse me, the 16-month government,
30:35 this could not have happened either.
30:37 Hamza Sahib came for a month, this could not have happened either.
30:40 So, therefore, their political strength,
30:43 they will have to make it by giving positions.
30:46 So, ultimately, they will have to give.
30:47 Yes, Shehzad.
30:48 Yes, I think the biggest political challenge
30:52 will be in the context of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
30:55 Because since the KTK government has come,
30:57 we have seen that in Punjab,
30:59 the attitude of the Punjab police,
31:01 against the workers of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
31:04 against the leaders,
31:05 being beaten at home,
31:06 being a violation of human rights,
31:07 not getting the fundamental rights,
31:09 being arrested,
31:10 being arrested under the MPO,
31:12 putting people in jail,
31:13 how will Mariam Nawaz Sahiba manage this politically,
31:17 I think this will be their biggest political challenge.
31:19 Because, see, till now, it is the KTK government
31:21 whose accountability is not like that,
31:24 like a elected government.
31:26 Here, Imran Khan Sahib will be in jail,
31:29 who comes under the Punjab government,
31:30 every day, he will be burdened by the current government.
31:33 Because as long as it is the KTK government,
31:35 you can put him in jail.
31:36 Whenever a political government comes,
31:38 there will be pressure on him.
31:40 What do you think, will she forgive him?
31:43 She has been complaining about him,
31:45 but her husband has a temper,
31:47 he keeps things to himself.
31:49 What do you think, will she forgive him?
31:51 Look, I haven't heard her complete speech,
31:54 but I think she hasn't said anything special
31:56 about political victimization.
31:58 So, it is very important to see, going forward,
32:01 how she will move her Punjab government forward.
32:04 Because, the backlash we saw,
32:07 after 9th May, against Tariq-e-Insaf,
32:09 was very strong, especially in Punjab.
32:11 In comparison to Islamabad, Sindh,
32:13 and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, it was very strong.
32:15 And you know, the KTK setup there,
32:18 their ministers were openly speaking
32:21 against the people of Tariq-e-Insaf.
32:23 This shouldn't have happened.
32:25 But, this is a big challenge.
32:27 We will see this temperament as well.
32:29 But, Habib, Mariam Sahiba,
32:31 will have to follow the footsteps of Benazir Bhutto,
32:33 and convince herself in the majority of men.
32:37 She will have to step out of Nawaz Sharif's daughter's shadow,
32:40 and create her own name.
32:42 Which is, again, a very big Herculean task.
32:45 Mariam Sahiba will have to bring back
32:47 Nawaz's vote bank, and make it permanent.
32:49 Which she has been stuck with.
32:51 Will Mariam Sahiba be able to do all this?
32:53 Look, first of all, her parallel with Mahmood Benazir
32:56 cannot be drawn because Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
32:58 was not present to launch his daughter.
33:01 And whatever her daughter did,
33:03 she did it with her own strength.
33:05 And Mariam Nawaz has the edge that
33:07 her uncle is present as the Prime Minister,
33:10 and her father can sit in the driving seat
33:12 and coach her.
33:14 So, with Mariam,
33:16 her comparison cannot be made.
33:18 The second thing is that,
33:20 in an adverse situation,
33:22 Mariam Sahiba was in power,
33:24 whereas Mariam Nawaz is in power
33:26 under an arrangement.
33:28 There are questions on her mandate,
33:30 and her political opponents
33:32 are very powerful people.
33:34 They have the support of the people.
33:36 And there will be no shortage
33:38 of their aggression.
33:40 Now, especially when Pakistan's
33:42 Parliamentary Assembly
33:44 will be the biggest party,
33:46 and the second largest party,
33:48 and their claim is that
33:50 we have the majority in the Punjab Assembly
33:52 which has been changed,
33:54 and they will also raise this issue.
33:56 Similarly, they will also have
33:58 the KP government.
34:00 And the political situation
34:02 that we have been seeing for the past two years,
34:04 all this opposition
34:06 will be consolidated.
34:08 So, how do they handle
34:10 this consolidated opposition?
34:12 I think this will be a big test.
34:14 And again, we should keep in mind
34:16 that when Mariam Nawaz
34:18 created her name,
34:20 she was created
34:22 when the situation was hostile.
34:24 Since the time when
34:26 the situation has been hostile
34:28 with the Muslim League,
34:30 the Muslim League has reduced
34:32 its support base.
34:34 It can increase it.
34:36 Now, they will have to work
34:38 on the basis of that reduced support base.
34:40 This is a very difficult situation.
34:42 And I think
34:44 that now, as they say,
34:46 "walk the talk".
34:48 This question will come up
34:50 very soon.
34:52 And Shehzad, what kind of environment
34:54 are you seeing in Iran going forward?
34:56 For a woman,
34:58 Nawaz Sharif
35:00 used to work with his wife.
35:02 We have seen a very hostile environment in the past.
35:04 But Mariam Sahiba says that five years is very less.
35:06 She says that 24 hours a day is not enough.
35:08 No, you are absolutely
35:10 right.
35:12 But I think the way
35:14 they have made their identity
35:16 in the political sphere
35:18 after Nawaz Sharif,
35:20 if there is a crowd,
35:22 then I think there will be no difference
35:24 even in the parliament or assembly.
35:26 This will be a big challenge.
35:28 He has a strong personality.
35:30 Will he come to the assembly or not?
35:32 Because Mian Sahib did not come.
35:34 We have seen that neither Mian Sahib
35:36 nor Imran Khan used to attend.
35:38 No matter how big a leader is,
35:40 he cannot be bigger than the parliament
35:42 or the assembly.
35:44 So I think they should keep their attendance.
35:46 Things should be taken hands-on.
35:48 You just talked about one important thing,
35:50 how will they bring back the votes?
35:52 How will they bring their acceptance to Punjab?
35:54 This has been proven by this election
35:56 and the previous elections.
35:58 The party that has the anti-extremism statements
36:00 will get acceptance.
36:02 Maybe not acceptance,
36:04 but acceptance will be there.
36:06 In 2018, despite all the difficulties,
36:08 PMLN got the most seats in Punjab.
36:10 This time, despite all the difficulties,
36:12 despite not getting a level playing field,
36:14 Tehreek-e-Nasab has got the most seats
36:16 in the whole country.
36:18 So it is very clear
36:20 that the party that has the anti-extremism statements
36:22 will survive.
36:24 No matter what the anti-extremism statements are.
36:26 Thank you very much.
36:28 We have had a conversation with Shahzad Iqbal and Habib Akram.
36:30 It will be very interesting to watch indeed.
36:32 That's it for tonight.
36:34 Good night.