"Dear Stef, I've been navigating the challenges of weight loss after two pregnancies that occurred within a span of two years. The combination of insufficient sleep and a lack of motivation for exercise has made it particularly challenging. Despite maintaining a generally healthy diet, I find myself consuming larger portions than necessary.
"Little backstory: I recently defooed my mother, and the journey proved quite stressful. Additionally, I'm still in occasional contact with my father and his wife, feeling a sense of hypocrisy as he was mentally absent during my childhood and he is not supportive as parent should be at all. We are in touch mainly because of his new wife who provided me more care than my parents when o was in my teenage years. She is still calling me on regular basis and arranging meetings, otherwise I don’t think I would see my father.
"I once heard you talking about a possibility that someone might sabotage your weight loss so you would look irrelevant and it struck a chord. It resonated deeply but I don’t know why. I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on this matter. Thank you!"
"I have a question about student loan debt forgiveness. Should I feel bitter with the fact that right as I finished paying off a six figure amount of debt, many others have had their debt forgiven?"
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"Little backstory: I recently defooed my mother, and the journey proved quite stressful. Additionally, I'm still in occasional contact with my father and his wife, feeling a sense of hypocrisy as he was mentally absent during my childhood and he is not supportive as parent should be at all. We are in touch mainly because of his new wife who provided me more care than my parents when o was in my teenage years. She is still calling me on regular basis and arranging meetings, otherwise I don’t think I would see my father.
"I once heard you talking about a possibility that someone might sabotage your weight loss so you would look irrelevant and it struck a chord. It resonated deeply but I don’t know why. I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on this matter. Thank you!"
"I have a question about student loan debt forgiveness. Should I feel bitter with the fact that right as I finished paying off a six figure amount of debt, many others have had their debt forgiven?"
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00:00 Alright, more questions from the great listenership of Free Domain at
00:06 freedomain.locals.com. I hope you will come and join this most excellent and
00:10 wise community. Woman writes, "Dear Steph, I have been navigating the challenges of
00:15 weight loss after two pregnancies that occurred within a span of two years. The
00:20 combination of insufficient sleep and a lack of motivation for exercise has made
00:24 it particularly challenging. Despite maintaining a generally healthy diet, I
00:28 find myself consuming larger portions than necessary. Little backstory, I
00:32 recently defood my mother and the journey proved quite stressful.
00:35 Additionally, I'm still in occasional contact with my father and his wife,
00:38 feeling a sense of hypocrisy as he was mentally absent during my childhood and
00:44 he is not supportive as a parent should be at all. We are in touch mainly because
00:49 of his new wife who provided me more care than my parents when I was in my
00:54 teenage years. She's still calling me on a regular basis and arranging meetings
00:57 otherwise I don't think I would see my father. I once heard you talking about a
01:01 possibility that someone might sabotage your weight loss so you would look
01:04 irrelevant and it struck a chord. It resonated deeply but I don't know why.
01:09 I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on this matter. Thank you." Well obviously
01:15 first and foremost congratulations on the beautiful babies. Secondly of course
01:21 massive sympathies to what's going on with your family. It's never a fun choice
01:27 and I'm really sorry that it has come to pass but I fully support of course
01:33 people's right to not see people who they don't want to see, who are
01:38 destructive or abusive. I don't care who you are. That's just a moral principle. So
01:44 this is all nonsense theory right? Just so you know this is going to be all
01:48 silly nonsense theory. No proof. Total amateur hour. Not advice. Nutritional
01:54 advice of any kind. But let's talk about me. Let's talk about me. Hopefully this
02:00 will help. So I have this basic or general theory that children who grow up
02:05 with a lot of stress often end up never feeling full. Right? I mean there is a
02:13 feeling that I think most people get where you have a meal and you're like I
02:17 couldn't eat another bite. I'm stuffed and they're full and they're satisfied
02:25 and satiated and all that kind of stuff. I honestly don't remember a time in my
02:30 life where I've ever had that feeling of being full. I remember when I was at a
02:36 friend's birthday party in my... I was maybe 14 or 15 or something like that. It
02:42 was a friend's birthday party. It was at McDonald's and there was just like
02:44 lashings of food. Like a complete monster amount of food and at the end of it the
02:51 kids were all groaning and everyone was full and I'd eaten a lot and the mom was
02:58 like does anybody want anything else? And I put my hand up and said I could do a
03:01 fillet of fish and I did. Never feel full. It's one of the reasons why I can't... I
03:08 can't just have food around that I'm snacking on. You know like I was talking
03:12 with a friend of mine the other day and he's like yeah what's your what's your
03:15 food of weakness? And I said well it's a lot of stuff that I can't have around.
03:19 One of them is chips and dip. Like potato chips and like a nice onion dip and if
03:26 I'm just reading or or watching something and that stuff is around, I
03:32 said it's just like a conveyor belt. Like it's not something... it's
03:36 unconscious eating or just automatic eating or whatever you'd say right? It's
03:39 just it's like a conveyor belt. I'm not choosing. It's just happening to me so to
03:44 speak. And this feeling of never being full is just a constant. Now that doesn't
03:52 mean I'm always hungry. It just means that food doesn't really have the
03:57 capacity to fill me up and satisfy me and have me not wanting more food. Now I
04:03 mean part of that is because I'm a pretty active guy and all of that so
04:07 yeah there's some aspect but I think when I sort of look at my history maybe
04:13 this is your history to some degree as well. I mean this I think this is
04:17 helpful to to others but think of chaos. Think of you know an R-selected
04:25 unpredictable chaotic. Doesn't necessarily mean violent although that
04:29 certainly would be part of it but just a really chaotic environment. Now if you
04:34 have a chaotic environment I want you to think like where everything's
04:39 unpredictable everything's uncertain and this also could be even factors outside
04:45 the tribe. So maybe hunting is really hard. Maybe things are scarce. Maybe
04:52 there's a lot of predation from predators. Maybe there's a lot of
04:58 violence from other tribes and people chucking spears at you when you go to
05:02 hunt and stuff like that right? So you've got two kids in this environment. One
05:10 kid grows up but when his belly is full he gets the signal of being full and
05:18 stops eating and he has enough food to be comfortable but nothing to excess and
05:25 you've got another kid who doesn't really get the signal of being full and
05:30 just eats and eats and eats when the food is available. Now because the
05:34 environment is uncertain and food is uncertain and nothing is particularly
05:39 reliable which kid do you think has a longer has better odds of survival? The
05:46 kid who overeats in an uncertain food environment or a chaotic environment or
05:51 the kid who eats just enough and then is okay. I mean you could make the case both
05:57 ways but I think that the case for the kid who overeats when environment and
06:04 therefore food supply or at least the food supply when that's uncertain the
06:08 kid who overeats is going to do better. So the kid who eats just enough not too
06:14 much just enough to satisfy caloric requirements for the day well he's got to
06:19 get up and he might have to hunt for two days before he gets more food. So he
06:23 doesn't have any excess food in his system to take care of the next two days
06:28 but the kid who overeats so to speak it's only overeating if you don't burn
06:34 it off so to speak. Again I'm no nutritionist it's just a sort of amateur
06:38 way of looking at it. So the kid who eats an extra thousand calories is going to
06:43 have that much more energy for hunting for fighting for gathering for planting
06:48 for whatever right? Well planting would be a little different because in
06:51 agriculture food supply is a little less random right? Certainly hunting and
06:56 gathering could be tough and gathering you could say oh well yes but we know
07:00 where the berries and nuts are it's like yeah but so does everyone else so
07:03 does the other tribe and they might have got there ahead of you. I mean I remember
07:06 seeing a documentary where monkeys were fighting for control of a single tree
07:10 which had a lot of food on it. So I think one of the things that happens to our
07:15 bodies, again no proof right it's just a theory, but I think one of the
07:19 things that happens for our bodies is that when we go through a lot of stress
07:22 as children the cap on feeling full just kind of vanishes like we just
07:28 don't get that sense of satiation of fullness and that sense that you could
07:33 always eat more is kind of continual because we have uncertain food supplies
07:39 and of course you know the body could have evolved obviously quite easily the
07:43 body could have evolved to simply get rid of excess food right just just flush
07:48 it away right I mean when we drink a lot of water we just pee more right so we
07:53 just don't store it and get big and bloated like a manatee so we could have
07:57 just evolved to dump excess food and not store it as fat but of course the reason
08:00 that excess food is stored as fat is that then we become our own food source
08:05 when food is short right we're short on food then we can we can eat our we can
08:10 eat our own butts so to speak we can eat their own bellies right so we become our
08:14 own portable larder and the reason we would do that is food would be
08:20 excessive when present and then regularly or at least uncertainly but
08:27 regularly absent right so this would be a hunter society I think for the most
08:32 part so the reason that we would store food in in a store energy and fat cells
08:39 is so that we could expend that energy when food supply was was not around was
08:46 not available we couldn't hunt successfully or something happened or
08:49 maybe there was a crop failure a crop failures kind of tough because you can't
08:52 really store enough food to last that long although there was was it a Scottish
08:55 guy who who barely ate for it was over a year or something like that and only
09:00 pooped once every 40 days just took a bunch of vitamins and and basically
09:04 lived off his own lard for a crazy amount of time so if you're looking at
09:11 weight and listen I'm I'm not perfect on weight I'm doing okay I'm doing okay I'm
09:18 not I'm not perfect on weight I'm certainly I'm not I'm not a an ab guy
09:22 but I'm I'm doing well I mean I'm 57 I'm 6 foot tall just a shade under 6 foot
09:29 tall and 187 pounds and I mean some of his muscle you know I've got a tiny
09:36 little bit of a muffin top but you know I'm not too bad obviously not perfect
09:41 whatever that would mean not too bad and one of the things that is hard to adjust
09:46 to when you have a chaotic childhood is to readjust your I mean I don't know if
09:52 it's permanent or not whether you can train it or change it but I just I've
09:56 never I never feel full I'm never satisfied I'm never full I'm never oh my
10:01 gosh I just couldn't eat another bite and like I could always eat more I could
10:04 literally always eat more and I think that not having that cap because there
10:09 is isn't there a hormone I can't remember what it's called but there's a
10:11 hormone that gets released it tells you you're full and so on and I think people
10:16 who go through a lot of stress as children the body says oh well okay so
10:21 the stress is because of uncertain food supplies or chaos and therefore we need
10:24 to pack on excess energy whenever we can so whenever you get food eat like crazy
10:29 store it up because sure a sunrise you're gonna use it at some point now of
10:33 course the reality is that our food supply in general is not uncertain
10:38 although well you know to be fair I did some I did spend some time hungry as a
10:42 kid I did spend some time hungry as a kid I do remember having to hang around
10:45 at friends places hoping that I would be invited for dinner and the difference
10:50 between a good evening and a bad evening food wise was whether I got invited for
10:53 dinner so did spend some time it's one of the reasons why I got a job so early
10:59 was to make sure that I could have food and it's another reason why I loved
11:03 working in restaurants is I would always have food then as a I'm a sort of mid
11:08 mid to late teens so as far as sabotage goes there there certainly I think there
11:14 is a pattern with families that as a whole and you can think of tons of
11:21 exceptions but as a whole the tendency seems to be that families have similar
11:27 weights if you go to a restaurant and this may be a little bit more true in
11:31 America but you go to a restaurant I don't know like like Bob Evans or
11:35 something like that and if there's if you see if a fat person coming back from
11:41 the bathroom then generally they will go and sit down at a table with a whole
11:45 bunch of other fat people significantly overweight people and families it's rare
11:53 as a whole for there to be you know in the same core family structure right in
12:00 the same immediate family structure it's rare for there to be wide divergences in
12:04 terms of weight it's not obviously impossible it happens but it's it's
12:10 somewhat rare for that like for some people to be 350 pounds and like half
12:15 half the people are 350 pounds and half the people are 175 pounds like that's
12:19 not I mean this is a double the weight or whatever right that's not particularly
12:23 common and you see this with fat parents fat parents will often have overweight
12:31 children not always of course but will often have overweight children and the
12:35 eat more thing again that's kind of a compulsion eat more from parenting comes
12:41 from chaotic childhoods of the parents and I guess to some degree then off
12:45 their own children the eat more is what you've got to eat more than is
12:49 comfortable because we don't know when we're gonna eat again or I don't want
12:52 you to cap out on your eating because physiologically my body is like well
12:56 when are we gonna eat again so that kind of sabotage is is not uncommon and I'm
13:03 not saying it's conscious or anything like that not that you know these
13:06 these questions of conscious versus unconscious sort of meaningless because
13:10 you can't ever prove these things but and it's often a way of taking away
13:15 people's responsibilities so something being unconscious doesn't take away
13:18 responsibility because you're responsible for knowing what your
13:21 motivations are but if you are a member of a significantly overweight family and
13:29 you start to lose weight to measure your portions it often will trouble the other
13:33 people and they may have an impulse to prevent this from continuing your
13:40 weight loss from continuing and of course a lot of times I think this is
13:44 certainly much more true of moms than dads a lot of times you know if your
13:50 mother's cooking food and so on then how much you eat can be translated in her
13:55 mind to how much you love her or don't love her so how much you eat oh if you
14:00 if you reject her food then you're rejecting her if you're dieting you are
14:07 rejecting her because she wants you to consume the food that she's making for
14:12 you she makes the food as an act of love and if you reject the food you are
14:17 rejecting her love you are rejecting her and it can cause I mean it's a fairly
14:21 primitive personality structure but I think it certainly does happen that if
14:26 you reject your mother's cooking you are she perceives it as you rejecting her
14:32 and she's offended and upset and she encourages you to eat more because she
14:37 wants to feel loved and it's all you know very very primitive stuff my own
14:41 mother was a very slender well probably still is very for that slender
14:48 unusually slender and I assume that given that she's a German stock that
14:55 when she would hang out at the German Austrian clubs that one of the reasons
15:00 that men were attracted to her because she wasn't that sort of fridge built
15:04 German Götze Kinder kind of woman right she wasn't the sort of stock squarish
15:13 cube shape a middle-aged or older Germanic style of woman she was a very
15:19 slender and I mean part of that was smoking and and all of that and part of
15:24 that was she watched what she ate and so I I do find overly slender people and
15:30 this is nothing to do with them like good for you well done but I do find I
15:33 have I associate mentally and I'm aware of this so I don't mind I associate
15:38 overly slender women in particular with being high strung and neurotic and that's
15:45 completely unfair I'm absolutely I don't act on I'm a sort of aware of that but I
15:50 do sometimes wonder if me not getting totally slender has something to do with
15:56 that so yeah so if you had chaos growing up I mean I really would be interested
16:04 to hear what you have to say about this idea that if you had a lot of chaos
16:08 growing up and if that chaos like you could have a wealthy family which has a
16:14 lot of chaos but they have you know the fridge full of food and if you had chaos
16:22 particularly concerns about when you were going to get another good meal I
16:26 mean I vividly vividly remember going with my friend and his mother the guy
16:32 who later died in the motorcycle accident I must have been 13 or 14 years
16:38 old and his mother took us both to a restaurant called Ponderosa and this was
16:45 my first encounter with an all-you-can-eat scenario now if memory
16:52 serves me right it was all you can eat with regards to what was a bottom
16:59 with drinks the bottom was pop and it was all you could eat with regards to
17:03 salads but of course the salads had like bacon and ham and things like that so
17:06 and this was this was my very first time encountering chickpeas and thousand
17:12 island dressing and I've never been a huge salad dressing guy I'll have a
17:16 little bit but those chickpeas with a light dusting of heart clumping thousand
17:23 island dressing was God's ambrosia God's gift to the planet and I just remember
17:28 going up I can't even remember how many times because I could I could I could
17:32 eat all I wanted in boarding school food was scarce water was scarce in
17:37 particular there was a food and water shortage when I was in boarding school
17:39 so that was that was a considerable challenge I just really trying to get
17:44 enough calories because you're always very active there as well so I have to
17:50 you know for me that the solution is I'm taking good advice from my daughter and
17:56 also you know just just don't buy stuff just don't have it and you're not gonna
18:00 go out and get it but if it's there you're probably going to eat it as far
18:04 as sabotage goes ah you know we we want our kids to get me that's just be
18:10 perfectly frank like we want our kids to do well but going from mentor to learner
18:17 is a challenge for a lot of parents I mean I felt this twinge from time to
18:21 time too when my daughter gets better than me at something it's like oh yeah
18:24 I'm aging out and you're here to replace me and and so on right and when she
18:28 catches me in a contradiction which you know she as a teenager with a whip smart
18:32 brain is is gonna do from time to time it catches me in a contradiction or I
18:37 exaggerate something for the sake of making a point or something like that
18:40 and she'll be like that wasn't three times it was only two boom right she's
18:44 right so that it's just something you can't need to work through because
18:48 everyone's like oh we're so proud of our children of course we are but you know
18:51 there is also a little bit of out with the old in with the new and the the
18:56 smarter she becomes the closer I am to death it's just you know one of these
19:01 exciting and complicated facts about life now I don't have an answer I don't
19:07 have an answer as to how to feel full like you say you overeat okay so you
19:14 overeat you could say that you overeat relative to your immediate calorie
19:18 requirements but do you overeat to the point where you are stuffing yourself
19:23 even after you feel full because there's overeating relative to your objective
19:29 calorie requirements and then there's overeating relative to actually feeling
19:34 full I would imagine I don't know obviously but I would imagine that you
19:38 overeat relative to your objective calorie requirements but you don't
19:43 overeat relative to feeling full like you don't say oh I'm full I'm perfectly
19:49 satisfied I couldn't eat another bite and then wedge more food down I think
19:53 there is probably I just can't feel full can't feel full and I don't know how to
20:01 I don't know how to fix that I mean I don't I don't even know like I don't
20:04 even know if that's a problem it's just something that I've experienced so I'm
20:08 theorizing about it so hopefully that helps somebody says I have a question
20:12 about student loan debt forgiveness should I feel bitter but the fact that
20:15 right as I finished paying off a six-figure amount of debt many others
20:19 have had their debt forgiven so should I feel X I think that's not the most
20:31 productive approach to your own emotions in my humble opinion not the most
20:35 productive I do feel X let me feel it let me perceive it let me right so look
20:41 of course of course you're gonna feel some bitterness if you just finished
20:47 paying off $100,000 plus worth of debt and then other people get the magical
20:53 finger snap from the state and their debt is completely erased of course
20:57 you're gonna feel better bitter sorry you feel bitter and the idea that you
21:02 should or shouldn't like should I should I should or should I not feel these
21:05 things I mean the empirical evidence is you do feel these things so the best
21:11 way I think to deal with emotions is to think of them as an extension of
21:15 physical sensations so if you were to write to me and say I stick my hand in a
21:20 fire I stuck my hand in a fire should I feel pain well the answer is yes you
21:28 should feel pain if you don't that's indication of I don't know some
21:32 significant nerve issue in your system or something like that so yes absolutely
21:38 completely and totally you should feel pain and even if you were to say well I
21:43 shouldn't feel pain when I stick my hand in a fire you do so should or shouldn't
21:48 is saying that your emotions are like people to be accepted or dismissed like
21:56 your emotions are like people ringing your doorbell who just want to chat or I
22:00 don't know give you a copy of the watchtower so somebody's ringing the
22:07 bell open the door let him in right so my emotions are ringing the bell should
22:11 I let them in or should I talk with them or should I just send them on their way
22:14 that is I don't think it's super healthy relationship to emotions emotions there
22:19 to help you they're an integral part of your life emotions are like family
22:23 members so basically when people say to me should I feel this way it's like yes
22:27 I have a beloved uncle living in in my house and it's great that he's here but
22:35 he said something that I didn't like should I throw him out in the street in
22:38 the cold so you do feel bitter but the fact that you have paid off debts and
22:44 other people are having their debts forgiven it would be crazy to not feel
22:49 bitter about that now the question is where is the bitterness what is the
22:54 bitterness about now student loans so you take kids who are 17 you fill them
23:00 full of propaganda you don't give them any understanding of economics and you
23:04 tell them that they're completely doomed if they don't do this if they don't take
23:08 on massive loans or get to college by hook or by crook and there be doomed
23:12 they'll never make any money they'll never really be able to afford a house
23:16 I'll never get married they're like so you basically and they don't really
23:20 because they've gone through government schools which doesn't teach you anything
23:23 about economics and interest rates and principal and loans and payoffs and
23:29 payments and so on right and also of course when you are graduating at 17 or
23:34 I don't know some places 18 17 from from high school you're completely
23:38 unprepared for life I mean you've been stuffed full of useless trash garbage
23:44 knowledge that you mean people they've done studies like you forget 95 96 97 98
23:51 percent of everything you learn in high school and junior high I mean if you
23:55 were to sit down if you've got kids right they're working on some homework
23:58 and it's like well I remember learning this I can't remember how to do it I
24:02 have to look it back up again which is really pretty tough for your kids right
24:06 because they look at you like so how do I do algebraic division how do I do long
24:10 divisions like oh yeah I learned this right and you you kind of struggle
24:14 through it and then your kids are like so why am I learning this if you learned
24:18 it and completely forgot it and never used it again that's a fair question so
24:22 people are unprepared and in order to postpone the anxiety of being so
24:27 woefully unprepared by school they go to university so the fill full of
24:31 propaganda they're not talking about the downside and the the options are
24:35 generally not talked about so what I mean by that is like this is mean where
24:39 somebody's saying I'm still angry at my teacher for telling me that if I didn't
24:44 go to university I would end up as a garbage man without saying that the
24:48 garbage man made more than the teacher without ever telling me that so of
24:52 course and you can't have your debt forgiven it can only be transferred to
24:55 others right I mean if the government pays the banks then the taxes go up or
24:59 the debt goes up or the money printing goes up which means the inflation goes
25:01 up if the banks have to eat some costs they simply raise interest rates or
25:06 charges to other people so the debt it can't be forgiven it can only be
25:09 transferred to to others but the question is okay so what are you what
25:15 are you bitter about now there's nobody who owes a hundred thousand dollars
25:19 almost nobody who owes a hundred thousand dollars and someone comes along
25:22 and says I'm going to take that hundred thousand dollar debt away from you how
25:27 many people are going to say but no I I would rather pay it off myself right
25:32 that's not really how human beings are constructed right I mean you basically
25:36 just won a lottery ticket for a hundred thousand dollars or more and people are
25:41 telling you not to cash it well you're gonna be people are gonna cash it and
25:44 you can get mad at that all you want but that's just the way people are and I
25:48 have a I have a great deal of difficulty complaining about the way people are
25:51 because we are the most successful species in the entire universe that we
25:55 know of and so everything we do is pretty damn fine right like I mean if
26:00 you have an athlete who wins the gold in six different sports wins a gold medal
26:09 in six different sports are you really gonna crab at how he trains no I mean
26:15 he's the most successful athlete of the whole games and saying he should have
26:19 done he shouldn't do this he should like we are the most successful species
26:21 therefore everything we've done is pretty right and therefore crabbing at
26:25 people responding to incentives is kind of pointless and and anti-empirical it
26:30 doesn't mean that everything everyone does is morally right and we have the
26:33 capacity for evil of course but the fact that people respond to incentives and
26:37 don't want to burden themselves with debt that other people are willing to
26:41 take away is is natural people people want to achieve more with less effort
26:47 right which is why we have all of this great technology right so if you
26:50 appreciate all this great technology the cars the internet planes and so on then
26:54 you're gonna actually have to accept that people don't want to pay off their
26:58 own debts right sure sure sure I mean if someone is left money from a distant
27:04 relative they didn't even know about someone gets left a million dollars tax
27:06 free from a distant relative they'll take the money right there was there I
27:09 much rather own it myself they'll take the money I mean and you could say
27:12 that's not good for them or whatever but but they will and they will I try not to
27:17 lecture against the essential nature of humanity that's trying to create the new
27:20 Soviet man or the the communist man who's not interested in personal gain or
27:24 profit it's like no doesn't doesn't really happen so yeah you do feel bitter
27:28 now what do you feel bitter at well I think you should feel bitter at the
27:33 propaganda that's laid on the kids I mean it's really rough man it's really
27:37 rough you'll be nothing particularly for men right you'll be nothing if you don't
27:41 go to university and the girl bossing stuff is pretty intense these days as
27:46 well and it's kind of nice for people to postpone their lives and just continue
27:50 you know University these days is where you sell your soul for hedonism right
27:54 you lose your integrity you lose your soul you lose your reason but in return
27:59 you get to drink and party and have sex a lot of times so kind of demonic it away
28:06 there's some good stuff there too but you need our engineers and so on but a
28:09 lot of it is you sell your soul for hedonism so there's propaganda there's
28:16 propaganda about going to college there's propaganda in college outside of
28:21 the hard sciences and even in the hard sciences the propaganda is is hitting
28:24 pretty hard so there's all of that and then there's a government that pursues
28:29 this propaganda because governments love it when people pay for their own
28:32 propagandizing and as the government that has the power to wipe out debt
28:38 without producing any money of its own and it's one thing if you're a
28:40 multi-billionaire and you want to pay off a bunch of people's student debt
28:43 well that's your money but so it's it's a system I mean getting mad at the
28:47 individuals trying to survive in a system is kind of pointless you know as
28:50 I've said before it's kind of like calling the Soviet worker lazy it's like
28:53 no it's just in a terrible system and so yeah there's there's a bitterness and
28:58 the bitterness I think is to do with the whole system the whole system of
29:03 coercion and compulsion and propaganda and the government is a way of
29:08 transmogrifying lies into profit to a large degree and that's a bad system
29:13 that's a bad bad system all right I hope that helps I really appreciate
29:19 everyone's questions and comments I got some more to go but I will stop now and
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