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00:00 We are just a few days away from the general elections of 2024.
00:04 The election will be exercised.
00:06 We will set an important political milestone.
00:09 But in the future, the political and legal dilemma that is before us,
00:15 what will be its nature, what will be its consequences,
00:18 we will talk about this in the program.
00:20 We will also take opinions from the top lawyers of the country.
00:23 But what are the important questions that are being discussed in our political terrain,
00:29 which people are asking questions about.
00:31 The first question is, what will be the future of the free candidates of Pakistan's movement for justice?
00:37 Those who will be elected as a result of the election.
00:39 If the future of free candidates is not determined,
00:43 under the petition of Salman Akram Raja,
00:45 then what effect will it have on the Senate elections in March?
00:49 Can free candidates form their government after coming to the majority,
00:53 as the Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan is saying?
00:55 Elections will be held in the 90 days of the Assembly election.
00:59 But we have this example that elections have not been held in 90 days.
01:04 So will there be no elections in 90 days?
01:07 Will it have to be legally secured in the future?
01:10 Or will it be easy to do it in the future as it has become a precedence?
01:14 The governing governments have also crossed their limits.
01:17 Legally, should this be stopped?
01:21 Or should we have to amend the constitution in the future?
01:25 This is an important question.
01:27 If a mixed government is formed,
01:29 then what will be the challenges that the government will face in the legal process?
01:33 And it is included in the petition of the Noon League that
01:36 Article 62 of the Constitution has to be implemented in its original form.
01:40 So what will be the outcome?
01:42 And will it be possible?
01:44 There are many questions in people's minds.
01:46 The biggest legal challenge after the elections is
01:53 that what will be the opinions of the four deputies of our country?
02:03 Mr. Jahangir Jidoon, former Advocate General of Islamabad, is present with us in the studio.
02:08 Mr. Hassan Raza Pasha, Chairman of the Pakistan Bar Council.
02:11 Advocate Kamran Murtaza, is a law expert and has a relationship with the Jamaat-ul-Islam.
02:17 Mr. Abid Zubairi, former President of the Supreme Court Bar, is also present with us.
02:20 We will talk to him as well.
02:21 Let's start with the studio, Mr. Jahangir.
02:23 First question, first round of questions.
02:25 What do you think is the biggest legal challenge after the 8th February elections?
02:31 It is a big elephant in the room, if we ask it legally.
02:35 What do you think?
02:37 The biggest challenge is the formation of the government.
02:41 Which party will form the government?
02:43 And how will it take the road map of Pakistan and its children?
02:48 And the biggest challenge is the defection of the Azad Arqan.
02:54 On one hand, we say that we should stop horse trading and defection.
02:59 And on the other hand, we are going to open the floodgate of horse trading and defection.
03:03 We will make the government by arresting Azad Arqan.
03:06 If this continues, Pakistan will not get stability.
03:10 If we want to give stability to Pakistan, we will have to give and take.
03:14 The constitution says in Article 51, plus Article 6, that Azad Arqan can join any political party within three days.
03:23 Or he can make a separate minister or political party.
03:27 If Azad Arqan becomes a majority, he can make a group.
03:30 If Azad Arqan becomes more than a political party and they get together, that is democracy.
03:37 He can make as many democratic people as he wants.
03:40 So, according to you, the biggest challenge is the political status of the Azad Umidwar.
03:45 How will you stop horse trading?
03:48 How will you stop the Azad from coming as he wants?
03:52 Or no one has coerced him or there is no pressure on him.
03:56 How will you stop it?
03:57 But Salman Akram has petitioned that he is not free and is under the banner of justice.
04:02 His point of view is that the party is not dissolved.
04:06 Because the party has been taken as a symbol and if elections are held, the symbol will be restored.
04:10 He says that the party is still existing in Pakistan.
04:15 The party is not banned. The party is banned and there is a long procedure for it.
04:18 So, will these people be free or not? This is a big confusion.
04:21 I think they can join the party.
04:25 They have not fought the elections on the symbol.
04:27 They are free. Like another Azad says that he will join PTI.
04:30 So, if he is a PMLN or People's Party, he can join PTI.
04:33 He can join PTI. PTI has no symbol. The party is still existing.
04:36 15-20 people come. They have not fought the elections on the symbol.
04:39 They are free. They say that they will join PTI.
04:43 The people who are in PTI's own Azad, they will not be in PTI.
04:46 They cannot join any other party.
04:48 If they go, the party puts them in a defection class, they can take their plea that they have fought the Azad elections.
04:53 This can be a complication.
04:55 If a PTI Azad defects, if the party takes action on it,
05:01 then he can say that he has not fought the elections on his own.
05:05 But he has not taken an affidavit against him.
05:08 He has not defected. He is using his party's banner.
05:11 He is reading the vote on the name of PTI.
05:13 If he defects, then obviously the consequences will be his responsibility.
05:18 So, according to you, the biggest legal challenge is that
05:22 the political challenges are present at every turn.
05:25 Political challenges will be converted.
05:27 The whole constitution is a political party.
05:29 Everything is messed up.
05:30 The Chief Justice said that he raised the political question like this.
05:33 Gulzar sir said that this is all politics.
05:35 Where is the line? Where is the politics?
05:36 He said that all these are politics.
05:37 All those lines have been turned.
05:40 Mr. Kamran Murtaza, this is my question to you.
05:43 After the elections, after 8th, what are the big legal challenges that you are seeing that will be presented here?
05:49 The biggest political, legal and any kind of challenge that will be presented to the country will be the formation of the government.
05:58 I don't think that any party will bring a clear majority.
06:03 The first challenge will be here.
06:06 And as a result of that, the free people, the free candidates,
06:11 will fall here and there.
06:13 Because Article 63 will not apply on them.
06:17 The results of that will be there.
06:24 And then someone will say that these free people came from such and such affiliation.
06:29 But they came from such and such affiliation.
06:32 They will not be according to the record of the election commission or the record of the state.
06:37 They can be according to their own website, of some party A, party B.
06:43 But they will not be like this.
06:45 Then this new case will start.
06:49 Right.
06:50 Mr. Hassan Alsaab, Mr. Pasha, the Chairman of Pakistan Bar Council is also with us.
06:53 Mr. Pasha, the status of free candidates and the talk of horse trading,
06:58 the talk of candidates being here and there,
07:00 both our guests have consensus on this, that this will be the biggest legal challenge before us on 8th.
07:07 In your opinion, what are the big legal challenges that are waiting for us after 8th?
07:13 Look, the biggest challenge, there is no doubt in this,
07:19 that within three days, the free candidates who will be successful,