Video Information: 16.02.2020, Month of Awakening, Rishikesh, Uttarakhand
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न त्वेवाहं जातु नासं न त्वं नेमे जनाधिपाः ।
न चैव न भविष्यामः सर्वे वयमतः परम् ॥
It is not that I did not exist at any time; nor you, nor these rulers of men.
And surely it is not that we all shall cease to exist after this.
~Shreemad Bhagvad Gita (Chapter 2, Verse 12)
~ What is the actual meaning of Rebirth, Reborn or Incarnation?
~ Does Krishna exist at any time?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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Context:
न त्वेवाहं जातु नासं न त्वं नेमे जनाधिपाः ।
न चैव न भविष्यामः सर्वे वयमतः परम् ॥
It is not that I did not exist at any time; nor you, nor these rulers of men.
And surely it is not that we all shall cease to exist after this.
~Shreemad Bhagvad Gita (Chapter 2, Verse 12)
~ What is the actual meaning of Rebirth, Reborn or Incarnation?
~ Does Krishna exist at any time?
Music Credits: Milind Date
~~~~~
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00:00 Chapter 4, verse 7.
00:12 "O Scyon of the Bharat dynasty, Arjun, whenever there is a decline of virtue and
00:29 increase of vice, then do I manifest myself?"
00:36 Then the questioner has quoted chapter 2, verse 12.
00:43 "It is not that I did not exist at any time, nor you nor these rulers of men.
00:56 And surely it is not that we all shall cease to exist after this."
01:03 So here comes the question.
01:07 Acharyaji Pranam.
01:08 In chapter 4, verse 7, Shri Krishna says that he will come forth whenever righteousness
01:15 is on decline.
01:17 However, in chapter 2, verse 12, it is mentioned that Shri Krishna is always present.
01:24 How should one interpret the coming forth of Krishna when righteousness is on decline?
01:30 Does this statement have any significance at an individual level, or is it said in the
01:36 social context?
01:38 Also in Christianity, it is believed that Jesus will come again on the judgment day.
01:43 Please help me understand what all this means.
01:53 Righteousness always present as the very source of existence.
02:11 Or, you could say, within man as the center of mind.
02:29 That's how Krishna is always present.
02:39 Irrespective of what is happening within a circle, the circle will nevertheless always
02:50 have a center.
02:52 The circle might be black, the circle might be painted blue or yellow.
02:59 The center remains present and the center remains untouched and uncolored.
03:08 Greatly virtuous deeds are taking place within the circle.
03:15 Those greatly virtuous deeds have nothing to do with the center.
03:17 The center remains as it is.
03:22 Relapse are taking place within the circle.
03:26 The center remains untouched.
03:29 In some sense, the center does not even exist.
03:33 The moment you try to point at the center, you have pointed at something tangible and
03:42 the center of the circle is not tangible at all.
03:49 Even though it is the center of the circle, yet it is in another dimension compared to
03:59 the circle.
04:00 For the circle can be drawn, seen, filled up and the center is absolutely untouchable.
04:19 A circle has dimensions and the center is dimensionless.
04:26 So even though the center is related to the circle, the center is very much the center
04:38 of the circle, yet the center does not really belong to the same dimension as the circle.
04:51 So in that sense, in a very abstract and passive and indetectable way, Krishna is always present.
05:08 Doesn't matter what is happening in the mind.
05:12 Whatsoever is happening in the mind is for the sake of a final culmination.
05:23 That culmination is nowhere evident in the mind, but without the presence of that ultimate
05:30 culmination, the finality, that target, that objective for which everything happens in
05:35 the mind, nothing would have happened in the mind.
05:40 The mind is movement, right?
05:42 Why does the mind move at all?
05:45 The mind wants to reach somewhere.
05:46 Where does the mind want to reach?
05:48 Is that place within the mind?
05:52 The mind wants to reach somewhere.
05:54 Every thought, every action, every motivation, every emotion rides on a desire, is directed,
06:06 it's targeted towards something.
06:10 What does the mind want?
06:16 Surely not something that is within the mind, not surely something that can be within the
06:21 mind.
06:25 So the very presence of the mind and its activities is an indication that something beyond the
06:32 mind certainly exists.
06:35 Else, why would the mind have so ceaselessly kept wandering and moving and searching and
06:46 asking and desiring?
06:49 And every single creature in the world is asking, moving, desiring.
06:59 When you look closely at that desire, you come to see that the mind is in search of
07:06 something beyond itself, that the very existence of the mind is proof of the existence of something
07:12 beyond the mind.
07:15 Had the mind been self-contained, had the mind been self-sufficient, then we would have
07:21 led very satisfied lives.
07:25 But are we leading satisfied lives?
07:28 We are not leading satisfied lives.
07:31 And that itself shows that the mind is gripped by a strong and very certain feeling of incompleteness,
07:46 insufficiency.
07:49 The mind is absolutely certain that it lacks something, that something that the mind lacks,
07:55 that something that the mind is so compulsorily drawn towards is called the ultimate, it is
08:03 called the truth, it is called the ending, it is called the pinnacle, it is also called
08:09 as Krishna.
08:14 So Krishna is always present in that way.
08:19 And that is an abstract way.
08:21 That is an immaterial way.
08:23 Why is that way immaterial?
08:25 Because all material ways are within the mind.
08:31 And here we are talking of Krishna as the one beyond the mind, the one enticing the
08:38 mind.
08:42 That enticement is very central to Krishna.
08:51 The very word Krishna comes from movement, traction, karsana.
09:12 From that comes the word Krishna.
09:14 When that movement is in the direction of sublimation, then you call it utkarsana.
09:23 That karsana is Krishnata.
09:28 When that movement is away from Krishna, then you call it apkarsana.
09:34 A movement away from Krishnata, apkarsana.
09:42 So mind moves and these are the only two ways in which the mind can move.
09:46 If the mind is moving towards Krishna, then it is the utkarsana of mind, an elevation
09:53 of mind.
09:54 Whereas if the mind is drifting away from Krishna, then it is a fall, then it is a debasement
10:02 to be called as karsana.
10:09 So that's how we explain when Krishna says that I have always been there.
10:18 But then why does he say that?
10:31 This verse he makes it appear as if he comes over only sporadically, as if his appearance
10:42 is merely episodic.
10:48 This too has to be understood.
10:55 The questioner has said, how does one interpret the coming forth of Krishna when righteousness
11:02 is on decline?
11:08 What does it mean to say righteousness is on decline?
11:12 Mind is moving away from Krishna.
11:17 Mind is moving away from Krishna.
11:22 Krishna is the center of the mind.
11:29 Krishna is the center of mind.
11:33 As soon as the mind moves away from the Krishna, the center applies a spring-like force on
11:43 the mind.
11:45 Remember simple harmonic motion?
11:52 What is the relation of the force on the particle exhibiting simple harmonic motion with the
12:01 distance from the center of the motion?
12:07 We used to say f is equal to minus kx.
12:12 The force is directly proportional to the distance from the center.
12:20 And minus sign indicates that the force is in opposite direction compared to the direction
12:27 of the motion.
12:30 So if the mind is moving away from the center, the force will be towards the center.
12:40 If the mind is moving away from the center, then the force will be towards the center.
12:47 And the force towards the center will be greatest when the mind is farthest from the center.
12:54 This is what Krishna means when he says that when evil has risen to the highest, then I
13:01 come over.
13:07 The pull towards Krishnath, the pull towards peace, the pull towards the ultimate is the
13:13 highest when you are farthest from the ultimate.
13:22 Does that mean that the center has suddenly come into existence?
13:27 The center was always there.
13:31 But the center was not making its force felt.
13:40 If the particle is at the center itself, then would the particle experience any force?
13:49 Tell me, if the particle is at the center itself, does the particle experience any force?
13:55 So the center does not make its presence felt if everything is alright.
14:00 The particle is centered, all is hunky-dory, the center remains silent.
14:05 The center, you must remember, in spite of being the all-doer is still the non-doer.
14:12 So the center is not at all obsessed with doing.
14:15 The center says if the world is running in a nice way, everything is smooth, all cool,
14:20 why should I trouble myself?
14:23 But then it's a world of duality.
14:28 And what does duality mean?
14:30 That the world keeps swinging this way, that way, that way, to this way.
14:35 Just as we have mood swings, mind swings.
14:42 There are crests and troughs.
14:48 You look at most of the periodically occurring events and you find that they are cyclical.
15:02 Don't you find that cyclicality?
15:05 Be it the stock market, be it politics, be it even solar radiation.
15:19 What we find is that the curve moves like this, ups, downs, ups, downs, ups, downs.
15:31 Krishna is saying when the maxima is achieved, when the things are the darkest, that is when
15:42 my manifestation is the brightest, the strongest.
15:47 Not that Krishna does not manifest himself at other times or other places.
15:54 That is manifestation will be the strongest when things are at their darkest, when adharma
16:02 is at its peak.
16:07 Then the manifestation of Krishna will be the strongest, most apparent, most visible.
16:16 To whom?
16:18 To the ones who are experiencing adharma.
16:21 You must remember this, when Krishna says I appear, I appear, to whom does he appear?
16:36 Does he appear to himself?
16:38 To himself he is omnipresent.
16:42 To whom does he periodically appear?
16:48 He appears periodically only to those who experience those periods, who experience those
16:58 swings, those oscillations.
17:05 So when you are at your worst, it is then that the probability of change striking you
17:24 is the highest.
17:27 It is just that change will not strike you as per your desire.
17:36 Krishna struck Duryodhana as well.
17:41 Duryodhana was very much a recipient of Krishna, was he not?
17:46 But then Krishna did not quite strike Duryodhana the way he would have fancied.
17:53 So it is indeed a great way to receive Krishna or to call Krishna to yourself by being the
18:06 most wretched creature you can be.
18:16 Become an epitome of evil and it is quite likely that you will attract Krishna to yourself.
18:22 But then he will not come to you with the Gita.
18:26 He will come to you with the Sudarshan Chakra.
18:38 He will not come to redeem you.
18:41 He will come to destroy you.
18:50 Now the question comes, so does Krishna appear only sometimes?
18:55 Well, it depends on you.
19:01 It depends on you because the appearance of Krishna is not an objective phenomena.
19:11 Krishna is omnipresent and omnipotent.
19:17 To you he may appear at one place at one time, to him he may appear at another place another
19:22 time.
19:27 It's his job to be present wherever dharma is at its weakest.
19:39 He does not come in one fixed shape or size or with one particular name.
19:48 He comes in myriad names.
19:54 He is parallelly present at thousand places.
19:58 We are not talking of some human character here.
20:03 I hope you are clear about that.
20:06 We are talking of not Krishna but Krishnatto, the essence of Krishna.
20:11 We are talking of truth itself.
20:18 So it's not that we are talking here of one particular prince called Krishna who historically
20:31 surfaced around the 10th or 12th century BC.
20:38 We are not talking here of history.
20:41 We are not talking here of persons or personalities.
20:49 At best we may say that we are talking of a principle, though it is not even a principle.
20:52 It's more subtle than that.
20:56 Getting it?
21:03 So when situations take you away from peace or to put it more honestly, when your own
21:29 decisions or indiscretions or ignorance take you away from peace, then you cry out.
21:44 And that is an invitation for your inner Krishna to come and redeem you.
21:51 Paritranaya sadhunam.
21:55 That inner Krishna might manifest himself in the form of your own energy.
22:07 You find that your intentions change.
22:10 You find that your own desires take a turn and motivate you to live differently.
22:23 That is the appearance of Krishna within you or Krishna could appear in form of an event,
22:32 place or person outside of you.
22:36 But irrespective of whether you get charged with Krishnattu within or you experience a
22:46 particular instance of Krishnattu outside of you, the event will take place only when
22:57 you want it to take place.
23:04 Only when you want it to take place.
23:09 Otherwise if it has to take place irrespective of your desire, then it will take place in
23:19 the same way as it happened to Duryodhana.
23:22 Duryodhana didn't quite want Krishna.
23:27 Krishna happened to him.
23:29 But then Krishna doesn't illuminate you.
23:34 Krishna strikes you like lightning, like a thunderbolt.
23:44 Are you getting it?
23:49 If you have paid attention to all this, you would also have known what is the whole concept
23:56 of avatar.
23:59 We know of a few incarnations.
24:10 We know of a few incarnations.
24:15 The fact is that incarnations are always happening and happening everywhere, albeit not to everyone.
24:27 They happen only to those who are ready for them.
24:41 On the battlefield of Kurukshetra, is Krishna really an avatar for a Duryodhana or a Dushasan?
24:52 So Krishna is there, but he is not there at all for the many thousands of soldiers and
25:00 warriors.
25:01 They are looking at Krishna like one looks at an ordinary mortal.
25:06 Here he is Arjuna's charioteer.
25:12 So Krishna is there, but not for everyone.
25:19 Similarly, do not ask whether Krishna will come in this age or when Krishna will come.
25:36 Or when is the day of judgment when Christ will be reborn.
25:46 Such speculations make no sense.
25:49 A better question is, am I ready for a Krishna or Christ?
26:00 Am I prepared to receive Krishna?
26:05 And if you are ready, then the avatar will be right there in front of you or maybe within
26:12 you.
26:17 An avatar will be right in front of you and right in front of only you.
26:26 To your left side is your brother, to your right side is your sister and neither of them
26:35 will acknowledge the avatar.
26:40 They will say some person, some man.
26:45 Further, it is not necessary that the avatar be necessarily human, let alone a man.
26:56 Depending on who you are, depending on what your mental configurations are, the avatar
27:03 could be a cat.
27:07 You know why Indian mythology talks of Varaha avatar, Matsya avatar.
27:18 What is all this?
27:27 Any form, any shape can be taken.
27:33 The avatar could be in front of you as a book, as a wall, as the open sky, as a bird, river,
27:45 anything.
27:47 It depends on your readiness and receptivity.
27:50 When you are ready, you will find him and he will not come demonstrating or declaring
28:01 loudly that he is the avatar.
28:08 You need to have the eyes, you need to have the love, you need to be Arjun like.
28:17 Are you getting it?
28:23 So the matter is subtle.
28:25 It is not as if sometimes God is in the mood to dispatch his favourite son to earth and
28:32 only sometimes.
28:35 Once in 20 centuries, he sends him over.
28:39 Now go and turn around the organization.
28:45 It's been a victim of neglect since 20 centuries.
28:49 I have been busy with my own Samadhi.
28:53 And so the young Skyen of the family comes over and says, "Right, this is my father's
29:00 fiefdom.
29:01 This is my family business, you see.
29:04 And I will not turn it around.
29:05 I am Jesus."
29:06 It's another matter that the workers' union has other ideas and they take him and…
29:19 These are childish stories, obviously.
29:37 The essence of Christ is the same as the essence of Krishna.
29:43 In fact, the myth associated with them as superhuman beings representing the highest
29:57 is again very much in agreement with each other.
30:17 Is this clear?
30:18 The Avatar is not an objective happening outside of you.
30:27 The Avatar is an expression of your own readiness to receive godliness.
30:36 When you are ready, the Avatar happens to you.
30:39 Either you have to be like Arjun to receive Krishna or you have to be like Duryodhana.
30:52 It is with respect to Duryodhana that Krishna says, "Vinashaya ch duskrtam".
31:04 It is with respect to Arjun that Krishna says, "Paritranaya sadhunam".
31:23 Clear?
31:31 We miss Krishna because we think of Krishna as the one who happened to Arjun.
31:39 Get rid of the concept of the person called Krishna and it's quite likely that you will
31:49 receive the energy, the truth called Krishnattva.
32:02 There is no age, no place, no space where Krishna is not present.
32:08 Thank you.