00:00 I remember when you first came in and you were doing so many movies
00:03 everybody felt you were the next... you were...
00:08 I don't know if it's the right thing to say...
00:10 equal to the other baritone that we have in the industry
00:13 because your baritone is just as popular
00:19 it's just as...
00:20 In those days...
00:22 Everybody knows you for your voice
00:24 I took 25,000 rupees more from Anil Kapoor
00:28 25,000 rupees...
00:30 25,000 rupees...
00:31 I think it was Mahesh Bhatt
00:35 I was getting good money, good price, everything
00:39 The only thing is a few people didn't want me to work with them
00:42 Fine, it's okay
00:44 But did you ever hear why somebody didn't want to work with you?
00:48 Why don't you want to work with me? Tell me
00:51 I don't know...
00:52 Why would you not want a good actor in your film?
00:54 See, tell me something
00:55 Supposing somebody is a better actor than me
00:58 or can steal...
01:00 They call it scene steal
01:03 Something like that
01:04 If I do it, I won't be able to do it
01:06 Or there are so many other people who can steal people's jobs
01:10 Then what will they say?
01:12 No, they will say anything
01:15 They won't say, "I'm scared"
01:19 There were people like Jitinder and Mithun
01:22 They don't know anything
01:23 Maximum of Mithun
01:24 Mithun was a great dancer
01:26 He used to dance, he used to dance
01:27 I did maximum films with him
01:29 So they had no insecurities?
01:31 No, they didn't have any problems
01:33 Okay
01:34 I made a character actor because
01:37 I knew that if a film flopped
01:42 and then I had to come back home for a year or two
01:45 Who would run it?
01:47 I didn't have money from my parents
01:50 I didn't even have a house
01:52 I, my wife, my kids, my mother
01:55 So to run the house, I said first security of money
01:58 Then thinking of career
02:00 That is why I did every role
02:02 And people got confused
02:04 In spite of that, I'm grateful to Mukul
02:07 Who gave me a role like
02:10 A romantic role
02:12 Everybody said, "Are you mad?"
02:14 "You'll sing a ghazal in front of Dimble?"
02:16 I had a hit film with him
02:19 Which villain?
02:21 People said, "You're a negative actor"
02:24 After Shraddhanjali
02:27 No heroine wanted to work with me
02:30 I said, "He's such a big villain, in front of him"
02:33 "Our career will be ruined"
02:35 "We work with a hero, he's not a hero"
02:38 Oh, heroines thought you were not a hero
02:41 Because you were so effective as a villain
02:44 In Shraddhanjali
02:46 I don't know what happened with Shraddhanjali
02:48 My doctor's wife didn't talk to me
02:50 Those days I was living in...
02:53 I'm telling you the truth
02:57 I said, "Gautam, your wife came and said she won't talk to you"
03:00 "No, she saw Shraddhanjali"
03:02 Wow, but that is a compliment to you
03:05 That you were so effective in that role
03:07 I know, but what happens is
03:09 In those days, in the 80s
03:12 The image was very powerful
03:15 If you had this image, other people wouldn't work
03:18 I am grateful to...
03:21 I don't know how she agreed
03:23 Dimple, that I sing a song and she does it
03:26 I was surprised how did she say yes to me
03:29 Otherwise, no one did it in those days
03:32 You've never been one of those romantic
03:35 Shah Rukh Khan kind of...
03:38 Sing songs and impress girls
03:40 You've never been that kind of...
03:42 I always wanted to do those army type of roles
03:45 Police roles
03:47 I always wanted to do those
03:49 But I did a film with Rajshree
03:52 With the Child
03:55 I'll remember the name
03:58 Rajshree film
03:59 I did Rajshree as a lead role
04:02 You... what was it?
04:07 Without you
04:08 Without you, okay
04:10 It has everything
04:11 Comedy
04:12 There's a relationship with the child
04:14 There's a romantic scene
04:15 There are romantic songs
04:17 I did 2-3 such films
04:19 But even that film was a silo chuppi
04:23 But yet that didn't give you that hero stamp, no?
04:28 See, what you have to say is
04:30 Shah Rukh Khan, when his film Abbas Hustan ki
04:34 A little negative
04:35 And that Shardhanji, after I did it negative
04:38 People loved me
04:40 They gave me double the money
04:43 But what is it today?
04:45 People do sub-roles
04:46 At that time, when I did it
04:48 People were like, how can you do a sub-role?
04:51 How do you make a setup?
04:54 A heroine won't work
04:56 Your image is like a villain
04:57 I said, whatever it is, let me earn money
05:00 And one thing, Vinod Mehta told me
05:02 Let people say anything
05:04 You do one thing
05:06 You can just be number one in character
05:10 Don't go beyond it, that I want to be a hero
05:13 You are the best in your place
05:16 Be number one as a character
05:18 And that worked
05:20 Why?
05:21 One was Bhabhi Meri Maa
05:23 Which was played by Shashi Kapoor's friend
05:26 What a role!
05:27 And there were so many good roles in Sultan Ahmed's films
05:32 Tehzaad was so good
05:34 I mean, character actors themselves are like a hero there
05:38 You are saying, heroines don't accept
05:40 Even the government of India didn't accept
05:43 When my film was released
05:45 Which film was a hit?
05:47 Bitch Masala
05:49 They said, how can you give the best actors award?
05:53 He is not the hero of the film
05:55 So I said, they said, no one should discuss among themselves
05:58 If there is no hero, won't you get it?
06:00 Hero is the subject of this film
06:02 There is no hero in this
06:04 There is a female, Spetha Patil is the hero
06:06 I said, what will we do?
06:08 So then they all got together
06:10 And created a role that day
06:12 Of the best supporting actor
06:14 Then I got the national award
06:17 So that day I thought, everyone will get the award
06:20 Bitch Masala, that's right
06:22 Back in the 80s, 85-86
06:25 So then, if they wanted to give, they could
06:29 They could find someone
06:31 Did you feel nice winning the national award?
06:34 I started crying, I couldn't talk on the phone
06:36 I gave the phone
06:38 In those days, there were those phones
06:40 I said, why are you crying? Listen
06:42 So I got the phone from there
06:44 That you won the national award
06:46 Yeah, and then there was a radio
06:48 So I put on the radio and came to the award
06:50 I couldn't
06:52 So that was one of the highs of your career, isn't it?
06:54 Yeah, and that night I remember
06:56 Anil Kapoor called me from Shawana's house
06:59 And both of them spoke to me
07:01 And then I had a night shooting
07:03 Oh, today is cancelled
07:05 I had a bad day
07:07 That's nice of them
07:09 That kind of camaraderie was there, no?
07:11 Between you and all the family
07:13 In my house, every other day after shooting
07:15 At 12 at night, my driver used to be a cook
07:17 My boys, everything but he used to be a cook
07:19 I used to come home and cook Chinese food
07:21 How many people I used to bring for the shooting
07:24 I used to say, let's go home today
07:26 Everyone used to come and go
07:28 I had a 15-seater, this thing
07:30 I used to make everyone sit in that
07:32 Mr. Sinha used to come and go
07:34 We used to go to Danny's house every third day
07:37 And I used to be there
07:39 Without asking, I used to say
07:41 I used to know, 8 in the evening
07:43 So that was there
07:45 But after Bukul's death and all that
07:47 And also after 1985
07:49 My brother's death, I also changed
07:51 I used to be a cook
07:53 I used to be a cook
07:56 (music)
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