00:00 The day of the Black Nazarene is always a historic event
00:05 because of its millions of devotees.
00:08 Even though the day is full of people,
00:11 the faith and the devotees are of a different kind.
00:14 It's really different.
00:15 So let's go back to Ivan, he's over there in the Kilina Grandstand
00:19 to understand this tradition of our Catholic brethren.
00:23 Ivan?
00:24 Yes, Lynn, Chesca, as you mentioned,
00:27 we need to understand a lot of things
00:30 when it comes to showing devotion to the devotees of the Black Nazarene.
00:35 We witness this every year.
00:37 But what has changed and what is the same?
00:41 In that question, we will talk to the historian,
00:45 Professor Xiao Chua.
00:46 Sir, welcome.
00:48 Thank you for joining us.
00:50 Happy History Day, Ivan, and to all our brethren.
00:54 Sir, let's start with the recent history.
00:58 As you can see this morning,
01:00 and so far, how is the procession being held,
01:03 how would you compare it to the ones that took place last year?
01:06 Well, let's remember that there were two rituals in the Andas
01:12 that Jesus Christ showed us.
01:14 The first was the mass of the cross,
01:18 and the second was the worshiping in the Andas.
01:23 What happened here was that it took a long time
01:25 because there was a lot of water, but there was also a flood.
01:30 And when the flood hit,
01:33 the Andas stopped for a while.
01:37 And when people were in a pond, they had to be carried by people in the back.
01:41 What is happening now, as we can see,
01:44 because the water was taken away,
01:47 this is the cloth that you will be given to wipe,
01:50 you will be given this,
01:52 and what happened is that it was focused on the water.
01:55 So there was no water, but there was a flood.
01:59 What happened was that because the focus was on the flood,
02:02 not everyone could pass, and the Andas was running fast,
02:05 and what happened was that the cross,
02:08 you could only climb up to that point,
02:10 what happened was that the Andas was being pushed.
02:14 So the procession was good.
02:15 The procession was good and fast,
02:17 because if it was on the finance road a few minutes ago,
02:20 it might have been earlier,
02:24 at around 8 or 7 o'clock,
02:28 at Ayala Bridge, when the Andas was there.
02:31 It seems that the result of the decision of the government
02:36 to put the pond in a glass enclosure was good.
02:39 Yes, actually, of course, others reacted to that.
02:43 What happened was that,
02:45 because Father Jones has a strong political will,
02:50 the new priest, that there will be a change.
02:53 But what's good about that is that he still considered
02:56 that the whole ritual should not be lost.
03:00 So the one that takes a long time, the passing,
03:03 was removed.
03:04 And what happened is that, the theme now,
03:07 we love to see Jesus.
03:10 The many cattle that were beside the Lord were removed.
03:15 They were all killed.
03:17 So what happened now is, but the passing of the pond was continued.
03:21 So that's what's good.
03:22 The whole thing was still watched.
03:24 Watched.
03:25 Professor, please explain.
03:27 Maybe for those, especially for those who are far away,
03:30 it's hard to understand this kind of very severe devotion.
03:34 They will hurt themselves, they will blame everything.
03:37 Sometimes, the child is still with them, sometimes there is a feeling,
03:39 but they will force it.
03:41 What is the benefit of this?
03:42 Well, first of all, it is always said that 365 days,
03:47 the senior priest, you can go there quickly,
03:52 you will wipe the vicar or the altar mayor, the venerable,
03:57 and you will have power in the flock, you will be great.
04:01 But that is not the point.
04:03 The point here is to show love.
04:08 So, for example, Parents' Friday, you will all go there.
04:11 Or January 9, you will all go there.
04:14 This is because of the struggle.
04:17 First, it reflects your struggle in real life,
04:19 but also that you are able to show sacrifice.
04:24 This is the point of this day.
04:26 It's a act of love.
04:28 And this is what other analysts always say,
04:32 "Because there are other Filipinos, that's why Filipinos are asking God."
04:37 But in truth, those who we interview, of course, they ask for it.
04:41 But more people are praying.
04:43 And praying means a vow to do something regularly
04:47 because there was a previous request.
04:51 So, this is why the main point of this day is to show gratitude.
04:55 Okay.
04:57 In the past years, decades, maybe even centuries,
05:01 Professor, what has changed and what has remained the same
05:05 in our struggle for the peace?
05:10 Well, first of all, in the 1700s, it was just a few.
05:16 In the time of the Americans, you can see that they are already beating the old.
05:22 So, one person needs to rise up, to be disciplined.
05:26 Our population is increasing.
05:29 The number of people who are praying is increasing.
05:34 That's why the old pinga, that's what they were carrying,
05:37 was made into a Lubed, in extent, for inclusivity.
05:41 Many people can still pass.
05:43 And until now, that's what hasn't changed.
05:46 The people are still there.
05:48 It grew because in 2007, there was a translation.
05:53 This is Luneta Resal Park in Orosan.
05:57 The Nazareno Church was there before.
06:00 It was brought to Intramuros and eventually, it was copied to Quiabong.
06:04 That's what it commemorates.
06:07 And when it grew, in the past, there was no live coverage, only on the radio.
06:12 In the past, it was only on 6 o'clock news.
06:15 But now, because there are 24-hour news networks,
06:19 there is increased media coverage.
06:22 There is live feed.
06:23 That's why what's happening is that people are also being deceived.
06:27 They are also hyped.
06:28 Aside from the many answered prayers attributed to the Nazareno.
06:33 Right.
06:34 Professor, thank you very much for the very interesting points that you mentioned.
06:39 Whatever it is, this is about devotion.
06:44 This is about the faith, the belief of the devotees.
06:48 Baka Puso, that's our update from here in the Kirinagrandstand.
06:52 We will go back to the studio. Thank you.
06:54 Thank you, sir.
06:55 Thank you.
06:56 [END]
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