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- Asian markets trade mixed ahead of jobs data from the U.S.
- #GrasimIndustries sets price for Rs 4,000 crore rights issue at over 12% discount

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00:45 Good morning, and thanks so much for tuning in.
00:47 Happy Friday to you.
00:48 My name is Alex Matthew, and you're watching All You Need to Know.
00:52 Like the name suggests, we try to tell you everything that you need to know
00:55 before the start of trade.
00:56 Let's start with the headlines.
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01:00 US equities continue to slide for a third straight day.
01:03 All benchmarks set to break their nine-week winning streak.
01:07 Bond yields rise across the curve, with the 10-year now close to 4%.
01:12 Asian markets start mixed, with investors wary ahead of important jobs data
01:18 in the US this evening.
01:21 Draft power tariff regulations propose higher return on equity on new storage-based projects,
01:27 NTPC, Adani Power, among others, to benefit.
01:32 Grossam Industries sets price for its 4,000 crore rupee rights issue
01:37 at over 12% discount to the current market price,
01:41 promoters to bring in 1,200 crore rupees at the very least.
01:46 Kumar Mangalam Birla says Capex from private sector is picking up,
01:50 says that the government spending on public infra is welcomed.
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01:58 Now, US equities declined overnight, with them losing ground for a third straight day,
02:04 and all benchmark indices are set to snap their nine-week winning streak.
02:09 Risk assets have remained on the back foot for a little while,
02:12 as bond yields have continued to rise in the US,
02:15 and they did rise once again sharply overnight.
02:18 Traders have reduced expectations for interest rate cuts at major central banks this year,
02:24 after the latest data has pointed to greater resilience among major global economies.
02:29 US treasuries have risen across the curve yields,
02:38 with the 10-year yield up as much as eight basis points to about 4%.
02:43 For context, about a week back, they were trading at less than 3.8%.
02:47 The latest data that caused the shift in expectations was that US companies increased hiring in December,
02:53 and wage gains continued to ease.
02:56 Private payrolls have increased by 164,000 last month,
03:00 and that's the most since August, according to the latest figures from the ADP Research Institute.
03:05 Investor attention will now turn to the government's monthly jobs report that is due on Friday.
03:11 Now to put some of this into context and to tell you what to expect going forward,
03:15 I'm joined by Jeffrey Dennis, who is Independent Emerging Markets commentator.
03:20 Jeff, thanks so much for taking the time this morning.
03:22 Help us understand why we're seeing such a sharp rise in bond yields,
03:27 and we've seen that over a couple of sessions.
03:29 We're now at 4%, whereas a week ago we were at 3.8%.
03:33 Seemingly, the bets of very aggressive rate cuts are being pulled back.
03:40 I think that latter point is absolutely one of the keys here.
03:44 I think there's two things going on here.
03:46 First of all, we had such a strong fourth quarter, and especially a very, very strong December,
03:52 that I think there's just some natural profit-taking as you go into the new year,
03:56 investors being a little bit more cautious.
03:59 But if you want a real factor, I think you put it down to the fact that the FOMC minutes
04:05 really tried to make the point that the Fed was not particularly thinking about rate cuts at this stage.
04:12 So the minutes turned out to be much, much more bearish or somewhat more bearish than Chair Powell was
04:21 in his press conference following the December meeting.
04:25 At the same time, one of the regional governors also argued that they may even have to raise rates again.
04:33 So I think what that's done is push the market's views of rate cuts out to perhaps the second half of the year.
04:40 I've said the second half of the year for quite some time is more likely,
04:44 and I think that's contributed to this sort of risk-off situation where bond yields have gone up,
04:50 albeit they're still way down from where they were just a few weeks ago,
04:54 and also a sharp move higher in the dollar so far this year.
04:59 It's all classic sort of risk-off, and I think you put it down to those two factors.
05:04 Now, ordinarily, the jobs data or the information on jobs that we got overnight from the U.S.
05:11 would have led to a little bit of a bullish sentiment, but that hasn't really played out.
05:16 I'm just trying to understand. We're looking at a structural move, obviously,
05:20 over the course of the next year and a half, perhaps, with interest rates expected to come down.
05:26 So this, would you say, is a classic speed bump in the road?
05:31 And structurally, we're going down for bond yields and up for equities over a period of time,
05:38 assuming, of course, that that soft landing does take place.
05:42 Yes, you're right. I think it's a speed bump.
05:45 But I think it's worth pointing out that with the size of the U.S. trade deficits,
05:50 and in particular the size of the U.S. budget deficit and the level of debt in the U.S.,
05:56 I think it's wrong to assume that bond yields will go that much lower.
06:01 I suspect bond yields for 10 years will probably go to 3.5 percent, maybe by the spring or the early summer.
06:08 But I don't think they're going to go much lower than that.
06:11 And therefore, some of this good news has already come through.
06:15 So I am constructive on equities this year, particularly constructive on emerging markets,
06:20 but I'm constructive on equities generally.
06:24 But I don't think we're going to have as good a year as last year because the drivers here,
06:28 the macro drivers, will not be as helpful.
06:32 They will be helpful, but not as helpful as they were in 2023.
06:37 And, of course, we're sitting, certainly in the U.S. anyway, at very, very high valuations.
06:43 Now, on the jobs numbers, I wouldn't worry too much about that.
06:48 I don't think the market should worry too much also about the ADP figures.
06:52 The payroll numbers today or today your time are going to be much, much more important.
06:58 And I think that's going to give us a better idea of whether the softening of the labor market that we've seen recently is continuing
07:04 and what the outlook is for wages.
07:07 So we're in a situation right now where bad news is good news.
07:11 We've got a softer labor market report, especially on the wage inflation front.
07:15 The markets would like that because it would bring, potentially bring earlier Fed rate cuts into play.
07:23 Last very quick question.
07:25 Jeff, when do you expect the rate cuts to actually pan out?
07:28 What are your own expectations?
07:30 I think it's going to be sometime around the middle of the year.
07:34 Now, we do know that the Fed is talking about three rate cuts this year.
07:38 The market seems to want more, at least it did want more.
07:42 I think it's a question of interest rates staying higher for longer.
07:47 And if we do get rate cuts this year, which I think we will, they'll probably all be in the second half.
07:53 Maybe we get one in June, but it's going to be around mid-year with the first one and then potentially a couple more later in the year.
08:00 Yes. All right. Thank you so much, Jeff, for joining us this morning and giving us that perspective.
08:07 All right. Let's shift focus to the Indian equity markets now and talk about the F&OQs.
08:13 Agam is joining in to tell you just that.
08:15 Morning, Agam. What are you picking up?
08:17 Good morning, Alex. So yesterday we were expecting weakness, but that didn't come through.
08:21 And in fact, we saw strength on the benchmarks with advances coming through.
08:25 So it was a mixed sort of a day, at least when it comes to the broader markets.
08:29 The nifty futures did see unwinding, even as the index advanced by around 7.7 percent.
08:36 And as far as the bank nifty futures is concerned, that is also where we did see strength.
08:41 Let's pull up the bank nifty futures. And that should be up for you on your screen as well.
08:45 That's where we saw an up move around 1 percent with an increase in open interest towards 2.4 percent.
08:51 When it comes to the options market, as we move into a new week, we are keeping an eye on a 500 point range once again.
08:58 And we once again shift focus to the 22000 mark where we do have max OI around the calls.
09:06 And of course, the 21500 put is where we are seeing the max OI in puts.
09:11 That's the 500 point range that we are expected to see the nifty to move within.
09:16 Now, in terms of what happened yesterday, we saw the nifty move higher.
09:20 But along with that, we also started to see a lot more writing around higher levels in terms of calls
09:25 and some unwinding of puts around the 21000, 8000, 21900 marks.
09:31 Talk about stocks and what's really happened there.
09:35 It was a mixed day of trade long seen in Alcom Labs in India cement.
09:39 On the other hand, shorts building up in LTIM, Naveen Florian and Escorts.
09:43 And in terms of stocks, we saw unwinding that is squaring off for positions.
09:47 We saw longs unwinding and looping, but short covering for ONGC, Nalco, GMR Airports and Federal Bank.
09:54 Alex, we are towards the end of the week, a week which has been relatively volatile.
09:59 And well, I reckon that positions today will be taken to be seen as to where we are going to be going ahead
10:08 as far as this upcoming week's concerned.
10:10 All right. Thanks so much, Agam for bringing us those details.
10:13 Let's focus in on a group of stocks that is going to be likely very active in trade today.
10:19 Those are the power stocks. The Central Electricity Regulatory Commission in its draft tariff norms
10:26 for the next five years has raised the return on equity for new storage based hydro projects.
10:33 But more importantly, it has kept the ROE unchanged for thermal power projects.
10:39 Vikas is here to tell you why that is important and to tell you everything that we need to know
10:44 before the start of trade today.
10:46 Vikas, important update coming in for the power sector as a whole. Can you break that down for us?
10:51 Yeah, right Alex. As you rightly said, it has been increased.
10:55 The ROE has been increased for pumped hydro projects and storage based hydro projects to 17%,
11:01 which is a jump from 16.5% earlier for the previous regulation.
11:06 As far as thermal power projects are concerned, for existing as well as for new projects
11:10 that will be commissioned after April 1, the time when the regulation will get effective,
11:15 has remained unchanged at 15.5%. But for transmission projects, it has been reduced to 15% from 15.5%,
11:24 especially for new projects which will be commissioned after April 1.
11:28 Now, this kind of shows the intent of the government that they want to continue with thermal power projects
11:34 as well as they are transitioning to say cleaner fuel based power generation,
11:39 where storage based hydro projects is also one of them, apart from renewables.
11:44 So, why it's important is because most of these companies were expecting that there would be
11:51 reduction in the ROE for thermal power projects, especially because now the focus is shifting towards
11:59 greener projects and also ROE is a fixed cost towards tariff determination.
12:05 So, if you bring down the ROE, the tariffs would also come down and which would be beneficial
12:10 for the customers like you and me. So, that hasn't happened. So, that kind of shows that
12:15 government plans to continue with these kind of projects for coming years,
12:20 especially up till 2030 when new 80 gigawatt of additional power projects are expected
12:26 to come up on the thermal side. This is going to be very beneficial for companies like NTPC,
12:31 which is India's largest thermal power producer. They are also shifting into renewables
12:36 with focus on pumped hydro companies like Tata Power, Adani Power, JSW Energy,
12:42 NHPC which is big time into hydro power and pumped hydro power generation.
12:47 So, these companies are expected to benefit in coming days because of these.
12:52 Absolutely. Thanks so much for bringing us those details. A group of stocks that has gained
12:57 quite significantly in the recent past and will likely be in focus today as well.
13:02 Let's talk about Grasim. The update that came in last evening has to do with the price
13:07 for its 4000 crore rights issue and to tell you more about that and to tell you what the context is
13:14 and what the funds will be used for, I am joined by Mahima. Mahima, what can you tell us
13:18 about the price and why the company is using these funds?
13:22 Right, Alex. As you rightly mentioned, Grasim's right issue is to take place and the record date
13:27 is set at 10th of January. The ratio for this right issue will be for every 179 shares,
13:32 6 shares will be issued and the price is set at 1812 per share which is at a discount of 12.47%
13:40 as per the last closing price, that is yesterday's trading price. Now, how will this be paid?
13:44 The first 25% of this share price will be paid on application. Then first call will be for another 25%,
13:51 then followed by 25%, 25% for second and third call each. Now, this needs to be completed by March of 26th
13:58 and these right shares will of course be traded on the exchanges. If we talk about promoters,
14:04 promoters held 42.75% stake as of September and the promoters are set to deploy 1710 crore
14:11 in this particular right issue. The total right issue stand at 4000 crore as you rightly mentioned.
14:17 The proceeds from the right issue will basically be used for the CAPEX expansions and repaying their debt.
14:22 At present, their debt in the balance sheet stands at around 8000 crores. If we also talk about,
14:28 a brief about how Grasim's CAPEX program is taking place, they have Birla Opus which is a 10,000 crore
14:34 paint business and they've also set up a 1 gigawatt plant in Aditya Birla Renewable and there is one more
14:41 Birla Pivot Tiles business which is a new venture. So, all these CAPEX expansion plans is where
14:46 the proceeds from right issues will be used.
14:48 Alright, thanks so much Mahima. Now, we will be talking about Grasim in a lot more detail in just a bit.
14:53 It's on the Editor's Cut and that's during the Market Open show. So, do stay tuned for that.
14:58 We have to slip into a very quick break. There's more stock specific action on the other side.
15:01 So, do stay tuned.
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18:03 Welcome back. You're watching All You Need to Know.
18:06 Let's focus in on stocks that are likely to be buzzing in trade today.
18:09 And among them, there are updates in the defense space.
18:13 We've got Anushi joining to tell you about some of those and perhaps more stocks as well.
18:17 Anushi, what do you have for us today?
18:19 Morning, Alex. Quite a lot of stocks in the list for today.
18:22 We'll start off with the Ministry of Defense which has come out with order worth Rs. 802 crores with BML and Jupiter Wagons.
18:30 So coming to Jupiter Wagons, they have secured orders worth Rs. 473 crores to build Bhogi Open Military Wagons for the Army units.
18:38 While coming to BML, it has secured another order for Rs. 329 crores.
18:43 Just to go back, H1FY24, the order book stood at Rs. 12,743 crores.
18:49 So quite, and we have seen in the Q3, they have reported quite some strong orders in this category.
18:55 Now the third one in our list is Lupin which has received a tentative US FDA approval for its Tapa glycofluosin and Saxa glypatin tablets.
19:05 These are used for the type 2 diabetes with an estimated annual sales of about $5 million in the US.
19:12 The production for this is going to take place in the Pitamur facility in India.
19:17 Along with this, now we have PFC which has increased its H1FY24 borrowing plan to Rs. 1.05 lakh crores compared to the Rs. 80,000 crores it had planned earlier.
19:27 Do remember that PFC is one of the strongest gainers of 2023 with the company also reporting a loan growth of about 19% and disbursement of 154% growth.
19:39 Along with this, there was this Amphirichek also wherein PFC is among the nine stocks that has been moved from the mid-cap to large-cap category for the mutual funds.
19:48 Now just a reminder today that Nestle is going X-split today with the ratio of stock split of 1 is to 10.
19:56 This is the first ever stock split for the company.
19:58 Just while we are on the stock split, the last stock for today is Vauri Renewable Technologies wherein the board is considering a stock split on Jan 20th for this.
20:07 This stock again has risen by more than 300% in this past one year itself.
20:13 So these are the stocks you should be watching out for today.
20:15 Alright, thanks Anushi for giving us those details.
20:18 Now India is on its way to becoming a developed economy.
20:23 The word coming in from Aditya Birla Group's Kumar Mangalam Birla.
20:27 He adds that the government is setting up infrastructure and doing all the right things to make this happen.
20:33 Listen in.
20:34 I also believe that the government is doing all the right things whether it is building infrastructure, digital properties that are public facing to make this happen.
20:46 So India has already seen with the government putting in so much money into CAPEX.
20:51 What kind of expectation do you have from the private sector now to play into this?
20:55 So I think CAPEX from the private sector is also picking up on different fronts.
21:00 And I think that along with government spend on public infrastructure is potentially a very potent combination.
21:08 Thank you.
21:09 Alright, we'll also talk about Grasim as I mentioned on the Editor's Cut.
21:14 So stay tuned for that.
21:15 For now let's turn to other stocks you want to watch out for in trade.
21:18 And there are several companies that are reporting quarterly updates for the quarter gone by ahead of the earnings season.
21:23 And Harsh is joining in to tell you about some of those.
21:26 Harsh, what do you have on your list today?
21:28 Well yes Alex, good morning.
21:30 Quickly on to some financials actually.
21:33 That's what I'll be covering over the next couple of minutes.
21:36 L&T Finance, very strong loan growth.
21:39 AUM has grown by 31% year over year in Q3.
21:42 You also had retail disbursements which were up 25% year over year at 14,500 crore on a 1 lakh crore book roughly.
21:51 That's quite a large number, impressive number coming in.
21:55 Portfolio retailization now has reached 91% is what they've suggested.
22:01 Also L&T Finance has done a quick fundraise, 500 crore with regard to NCDs is what they've approved.
22:08 Quickly moving on to Utkar Small Finance Bank, that one.
22:12 Gross loan portfolio up 31% year over year.
22:16 Mind you, newly listed as well.
22:18 Total deposits up 18% year over year.
22:21 And the CASA ratio has shrunk just about by a percent versus the year ago period.
22:27 RBL Bank advances up 20% year over year.
22:30 Deposits up 13%.
22:32 Again, you can see the difference between growth of advances and deposits.
22:37 LDR seems to continue to increase and CASA ratio continues to shrink.
22:43 J&K Bank up 14% year over year in terms of loan growth.
22:47 Deposit growth at 9%.
22:50 That's the one for J&K Bank.
22:52 Slightly weakish loan growth also below what the market has done.
22:58 And deposit growth also slightly below what the market has done for J&K Bank.
23:02 All of those will be in focus.
23:04 All right. Thanks so much, Harsh, for bringing us those details.
23:07 Let's shift focus now to the FMCG space.
23:10 And Dabur India has estimated that its revenue in the October to December quarter
23:15 will grow in mid to high single digits.
23:19 We've got Sesha joining in to tell you more about what exactly the company is saying
23:24 and why it's expecting that range of growth.
23:28 Sesha, what can you tell us?
23:30 Dabur India has come up with this Q3 business update now.
23:34 It has said that it expects the revenue growth to be in the mid to high single digit.
23:39 Now, this is against the backdrop of the persistent weakness in rural demand
23:44 as well as price-led benefits have continued to fade.
23:49 Now, growth in rural demand is still lagging urban growth, according to the company.
23:54 However, it is still seeing early signs of revival in consumption.
23:58 Now, cost-saving initiatives, easing inflation, as well as strong international performance
24:04 help the firm forecast a bigger gross margin expansion.
24:08 Segment-wise, food and beverages is estimated to grow in high single digit.
24:13 Home care and personal care division is expected to grow in mid single digit.
24:19 And the healthcare business is expected to grow in low to mid single digit
24:24 due to the delay in the onset of winter season.
24:27 However, in terms of the margins, the operating profit is likely to grow
24:34 slightly ahead of the revenue post-growth as well as post-growth in the year-on-year terms.
24:40 All right, an update on, thanks so much, Sesha, for bringing us those details.
24:44 An update in the manufacturing space.
24:46 The Ministry of Commerce and Industry is presently not considering
24:50 a new production-linked incentive scheme to boost domestic manufacturing of toys.
24:54 Instead, the ministry's focus is on ensuring that the existing plans,
24:59 our PLIs, in various sectors are well implemented.
25:02 We've got Janani joining in to tell us more about that decision.
25:05 Janani, why did they decide not to go ahead with this?
25:09 Good morning, Alex.
25:12 You know, one of the primary reasons for this was to actually take a review
25:16 of all the existing PLI schemes and see whether they have been well utilized.
25:21 Now, this comes at the back of, you know, when there will be whether new PLI schemes could be introduced.
25:27 Now, remember, toys, e-bikes and even footwear were some of the ones that were considered
25:32 that could be, you know, the new PLI schemes.
25:35 As for the review last year, there was expected to be a lot of savings
25:38 and it was said that, you know, from the existing outlay of 1.97 lakh crore,
25:44 new schemes could also emerge and they'll be funded within the existing PLI outlay.
25:49 But right now, the Commerce Ministry has told us that the PLI scheme for toys is not on the annual right now.
25:55 And it is also said that, in fact, the toys industry is doing very well.
25:58 They've seen a revival or a regrowth due to, you know, governmental support,
26:03 such as, you know, increasing the basic custom duty, quality control measures and other governmental support.
26:09 So what we're getting to hear right now is perhaps the government just wants to do a review.
26:14 You know, yesterday, the DPI secretary further added that for the white goods PLI,
26:19 which is for air conditioners and LEDs, a third party review will be undertaken
26:23 and they will actually check if, you know, the beneficiaries are getting the intended benefits out of this
26:28 and if there are any roadblocks in the particular scheme and if that, in fact, needs any course correction.
26:33 So the thought process right now is to check whether all is running smoothly,
26:37 if there are any chinks, you know, in the armour, if the scheme is going well.
26:41 As far as latest data goes, we know that a 95,000 crore worth investment has come in as of September through this scheme.
26:48 All right. Thanks so much, Anandi, for bringing us those details.
26:50 And that brings us to the end of this edition of All You Need to Know.
26:53 India Market Open is up next. So do stay tuned.
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