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Johan Ishak a.k.a Joe Flizzow dalam Balkoni Pak Abu mengimbau zaman naik Kancil & kenapa tulis lagu guna kaki..
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00:00 I'm not an industrial music artist. I'm not a product of Malaysian industrial music.
00:06 Because I'm a product of street art, I'm a product of the underground world.
00:27 Let's do a rap verse.
00:30 Sure.
00:31 I want you to be the judge.
00:34 Sure.
00:55 I like your third bar.
00:58 "Life must go on even though..."
01:00 "Life must go on even though we're always cursed."
01:03 "Many people write songs with their hands, but many use their feet."
01:07 How do you write that?
01:09 When you listen to a song, you'll first hear the lyrics.
01:14 Right.
01:15 The melody comes after.
01:17 So, people who write songs with their feet don't know how to write songs?
01:21 It's reversed.
01:23 If he can write songs with his feet, go ahead.
01:26 How about you, Joe?
01:28 Have you ever written a lyric?
01:32 People come to you and say, "Joe, this is not a lyric."
01:36 So far, no one has done that.
01:41 In the studio, I think it's been a long time since people have said that to me.
01:48 But when I first started writing my first album...
01:57 When you were on the road?
01:59 Yes.
02:00 I received a lot of criticism from people who taught me.
02:11 My producers.
02:16 I don't want to say it often, but if they think that I don't give my 100 percent, they'll tell me.
02:25 Who was the first person you worked with?
02:29 Two people.
02:33 One is Illegal.
02:36 The other is Kumran.
02:39 They used to have a rap group called Nautious Maximus.
02:44 Nautious Maximus?
02:45 Yes.
02:46 It's a song by MVP, right?
02:48 Yes.
02:49 Most Valuable?
02:50 No.
02:51 People, players, and so on?
02:52 Yes.
02:53 But that was the new Nautious Maximus.
02:55 The original Nautious Maximus was a bigger group.
02:59 These are the two producers from that group who became our mentors.
03:05 Mentors to Tufek.
03:07 We didn't know anything about recording.
03:09 We just knew that we were interested.
03:11 You lived in the cassette, CD, and mp3 era.
03:16 Now people listen to your songs on their phones.
03:19 How did you, Joe Frizzo, as a celebrity artist, follow the music?
03:30 For me, the way people listen to my songs will always change.
03:39 Maybe people don't listen to my songs on their phones anymore.
03:42 Maybe we have a microchip in our heads that can listen to my songs.
03:46 We don't know.
03:47 We just listen to Nero Link, Elon Musk, and Innovasii.
03:54 For me, the most important thing is to maintain a connection with the fans.
04:03 We have to try to do shows, gigs, big or small.
04:15 We have to try to be on the road as much as possible.
04:20 We have to be active and be relevant.
04:23 I'm not a rapper.
04:28 But when I first heard the Water Dilly album in 1998,
04:34 I was in my hometown.
04:38 When I came to KL, I heard Tufek's song.
04:45 I didn't hear the song overseas.
04:47 Bro, this is domestic.
04:50 When I heard it, I thought we'd be married.
04:54 With hip-hop, brother.
04:56 But some people say that if you listen to hip-hop or rap,
05:00 you have to...
05:02 Because it's a lifestyle, Joe.
05:04 You have to use the music you listen to.
05:08 What do you think, Joe?
05:10 I don't think so.
05:11 I think that the people who are the most knowledgeable about hip-hop,
05:29 one of them is my vice president at Def Jam, David T.
05:36 He and I used to be the ones who put up the Kartell Records.
05:42 If you look at him, you wouldn't think he's a hip-hop fan.
05:48 He's a lawyer.
05:50 He's like a normal person.
05:52 He dresses like a normal guy who goes to the office.
05:57 He doesn't have a designer shirt.
06:05 But his knowledge and contribution to the hip-hop world,
06:11 like people always see Joe Filizzo in front of them.
06:14 But who is this guy next to Joe?
06:16 He's like a nerd.
06:18 But this guy's contribution to hip-hop,
06:22 the artists he signed under when we were at Kartell,
06:27 like Ultimate and other artists,
06:30 is too immense.
06:32 So, we can't judge a book by its cover.
06:36 We can't judge people by their appearances.
06:38 Let's get to the serious stuff.
06:42 In the past 20 years,
06:46 you've been making music, singing, and doing shows.
06:51 How many people...
06:55 I remember one quote from a white man.
06:59 He said, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer."
07:04 Is there anyone like that?
07:09 Like you, if you want to fight, you can just get along with me.
07:13 No problem.
07:15 I mean, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
07:22 I like the feeling that I have no enemies.
07:28 But if I just...
07:33 walk straight ahead like this,
07:37 and don't look back at all,
07:39 it's dangerous or naive.
07:42 So, I think in my career,
07:46 I've never found an enemy.
07:49 But, the ego and jealousy are the human's weakness.
07:55 So, I think if we can identify threats,
08:00 if we can identify...
08:02 even though the road is a highway,
08:04 if we know there's a hole,
08:07 do we want to avoid it or hit it?
08:10 If we can avoid it once or twice,
08:17 but sometimes we have to hit it.
08:19 Something that can be dangerous.
08:22 We have to repair it.
08:24 We have to repair it.
08:26 Do you wear underwear first or clothes first?
08:30 After you take a shower.
08:32 Pak Abu, do you wear clothes first?
08:35 Or do you wear underwear?
08:36 I wear underwear first.
08:37 Underwear first? -Underwear first.
08:38 Okay, underwear first.
08:39 After that, you wear underwear.
08:40 If I wear jeans first and then underwear,
08:43 that's Superman, bro.
08:45 That's not me.
08:47 Do you eat nasi lemak, sambal first or rice first?
08:52 Oh, wow.
08:55 Both? -Both.
08:57 At once?
08:58 Do you eat burger or meat first?
09:01 I eat bread.
09:02 Because the bread is outside.
09:05 So, it will be good.
09:07 Pak Abu, when you meet a girl,
09:11 do you pick up girls?
09:15 How about Jo?
09:17 This is like...
09:18 Actually, when we're single or married, we're like...
09:22 Like that.
09:24 Pak Abu is married.
09:26 But when we meet a girl, we're like...
09:28 A girl?
09:29 How do you pick up girls?
09:32 Is there a way?
09:34 I don't pick up girls.
09:36 Maybe you can teach me.
09:38 Give me one.
09:40 You avoid asking for their phone numbers.
09:42 Avoid asking for their phone numbers?
09:44 You can tell them, "This is my Instagram."
09:47 "If you're willing, follow me."
09:49 Okay or not bad?
09:51 Jo, Pak Abu knows a bit about your family history.
09:55 Can you tell us about your background?
09:58 Pak Abu, you're a good speaker.
10:01 Jo, you speak Malay at home, right?
10:06 You speak Malay, right?
10:08 I can speak Malay.
10:09 I can definitely speak Malay. -It's confirmed.
10:11 But at home...
10:13 You speak two languages.
10:15 The first language...
10:17 Jo Filizo's family history and siblings.
10:21 Is there any artistic blood in your family?
10:24 Yes, there is.
10:27 My grandmother was a singer.
10:30 But she wasn't a famous singer.
10:32 She was a school teacher in Johor.
10:35 She was a choir teacher.
10:37 She was a music teacher.
10:39 My mother...
10:42 My mother and father were journalists.
10:46 Like you, Bikwang.
10:49 I grew up in England.
10:53 I came back to Malaysia.
10:54 I was in the first grade. I couldn't speak Malay.
10:57 I couldn't speak Malay.
10:58 You were born in England? -Yes.
11:00 I got a C in Malay.
11:02 But in 2-3 years, I started to get an A.
11:05 I still feel that I'm an A.
11:08 My Malay.
11:09 You're an A.
11:12 My mother is from Johor.
11:15 My father is from Botor Perak.
11:18 I think I got this voice from my late father.
11:21 He was a...
11:23 He was a host.
11:25 He was a journalist and a host.
11:29 But if you listen to his voice at the event...
11:32 His voice is different from yours.
11:36 Where did you read the news?
11:38 What?
11:39 Where did you read the news?
11:41 TV3.
11:43 This is your father's product.
11:46 So, Joe.
11:47 Do you like to be addressed as...
11:51 ...a celebrity, an artist, a composer or a rapper?
11:56 I think I'm an artist in the industry.
12:04 I'm not an industry artist.
12:06 I'm different.
12:08 I'm an artist in the industry.
12:12 I'm not an industry artist.
12:15 I'm not a product of the Malaysian industry.
12:19 Because I'm a product of street art.
12:22 I'm a product of the underground world.
12:26 I can't forget my roots.
12:29 20-25 years ago, we were not accepted by the Malaysian industry.
12:35 So, I can't say I'm an industry artist.
12:38 I don't mean to criticize the industry artists...
12:41 ...or the industry products.
12:43 We produce artists, too.
12:46 But I like to be known as...
12:51 ...a host.
12:54 A host and a songwriter.
12:59 Do you see anyone who can inherit...
13:05 ...or continue the legacy of rap in Malaysia?
13:11 Of course.
13:13 There are many talented artists.
13:17 Can you name one?
13:20 Sonawan is not a new artist.
13:26 I think Sonawan is important for the growth of hip-hop in Malaysia.
13:31 He has worked with many artists.
13:35 He's like a budget.
13:38 Yoni Boy.
13:42 I'm still waiting for K-Clique's new music.
13:47 MK needs to come out.
13:51 I haven't heard their songs for a long time.
13:55 Like I said, G.U.D.D.
13:57 G.U.D.D. is an artist that I want to come out.
14:01 Our artists from Singapore, Alif, Ariz Jabar...
14:05 ...are the artists that I think have a good future.
14:10 Or I mean...
14:12 ...they have a lot in the bag that they haven't shared with us yet.
14:17 Our underground scene is very active.
14:23 Many artists that you might not hear on the radio...
14:28 ...have built a sizable following.
14:34 I think we're seeing more of them.
14:38 Pak Abu always tells me not to listen to rap.
14:42 He says that rap is a song that only bad boys listen to.
14:46 But I've been listening to it since 1998.
14:51 It hasn't gone bad. -It hasn't gone into the records yet.
14:54 It hasn't gone into the records yet.
14:57 When we go back to our hometown, we'll be the kids of the village.
15:01 When we come to KL, we'll be the people of KL.
15:03 We have to know how to live. We have to blend.
15:07 So, what's your opinion?
15:09 I think the opinion that rap is only for the people in the city...
15:19 ...has passed.
15:21 I think rap is a song for all communities.
15:26 It's a song for people from different races and cultures.
15:33 We can all come together with hip-hop music.
15:37 But to answer...
15:41 ...that rap is a negative message...
15:48 ...it's like this.
15:51 There are many stories about wars...
15:59 ...robberies and murders in movies.
16:05 And those movies are still shown.
16:09 I don't think our songs are about murder.
16:16 And those songs are being criticized.
16:18 So, it's about our own values.
16:21 So, you're looking for another job?
16:24 There are many other jobs.
16:25 Besides criticizing other people's songs, you make your own songs.
16:29 We compete.
16:31 So, you're a local artist.
16:36 Are you a local artist?
16:39 Of course, I'm a hero. I've been a hero since the Meskang.
16:43 And you're a local artist?
16:46 Yes.
16:47 And you're a local artist?
16:49 When I was young, I was a big fan of...
16:53 ...Roslan Aziz.
16:57 And all the artists he worked with, like Sheila Majid, Zainal Abidin...
17:02 ...and the entire roster of Ikhlas Tapi Jauh.
17:07 I went to all of their concerts.
17:09 So, you're a fan of Roslan Aziz?
17:11 Yes.
17:12 So, Joe, what's the latest development...
17:14 ...before we end our recording session?
17:17 Besides the song, "Satu Malam Di Temasek" that just came out...
17:21 ...I'm in the studio preparing my album...
17:24 ...which is called "Johan" and will be released in October.
17:27 Johan is the name of the introduction card.
17:30 Joe, please.
17:31 Johan.
17:32 Not "Night Johan", right?
17:33 Never.
17:35 Never, ever.
17:36 So, I'm in the studio finishing the album.
17:40 I can't wait to share it with you.
17:42 Tell us a little bit about the background or the story...
17:48 ...of "Satu Malam Di Temasek".
17:51 "Satu Malam Di Temasek" is a song about...
17:55 ...our wish to buy expensive watches...
17:58 ...and our wish to go to Singapore.
18:00 When we wrote this song, it was during the PKK.
18:04 So, we couldn't travel.
18:06 But, to be more serious, I think this song is about...
18:11 ...the life of a person who is chased by material things.
18:17 And I'm also at fault.
18:19 I'm not talking about others and not me.
18:23 This song is more about a message to yourself...
18:26 ...and also to the listeners.
18:28 Even though we're enjoying life...
18:35 ...we're bound to die.
18:37 Like they say, seize the day.
18:41 Kapa diam.
18:42 Because you never know when you're going to go.
18:44 Actually, we...
18:46 Before Nasheed was released, rock bands were doing songs for the government.
18:51 Rap bands were doing it too.
18:54 If you listen to a song, you have to understand and understand the lyrics.
18:59 Not all rap and rock songs are about being in a tight spot.
19:03 It's not about buying a jet.
19:07 Rolls Royce is not about buying a jet.
19:09 You have to study the lyrics.
19:11 Thank you, Jo Frizzo, Johan.
19:13 Thank you, Pak Abu.
19:14 Come to my balcony.
19:15 Let's do a barbecue here next time.
19:18 Sure, Jo.
19:19 Pak Abu likes to grill.
19:21 Grilling?
19:22 Is he more into grilling?
19:24 He's more into scolding Popo.
19:26 Oh, scolding.
19:28 Like he did last night.
19:30 Popo is one of the people we get along with easily.
19:33 Really?
19:34 Yes, easily.
19:35 Just say it, Popo.
19:36 This is the guy behind the bar.
19:37 Jo Frizzo, you got it.
19:38 You got it.
19:39 So, Pak Abu hopes that one day you will be his...
19:44 Security?
19:46 Jo, on the count of three, say "Mantap, Pak Abu".
19:50 Okay.
19:51 Mantap, Pak Abu.
19:52 Mantap, Pak Abu.
19:53 One, two, three.
19:54 Mantap, Pak Abu.
19:55 Yaman.
19:56 Jo Frizzo, one night at Pak Abu's balcony.
20:00 Right?
20:01 Thank you, Jo.
20:02 Thank you very much.
20:03 So, Pak Abu hasn't revealed his...
20:17 Not yet.
20:18 We'll never reveal.
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