Kashif Abbasi and Athar Kazmi talks about Imran Riaz Khan

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00:00 Pakistan. Kalka. Kalka. Uh interior minister information minister press conference. Yes.

00:26 The Shah has gone somewhere...

00:28 I am sure the way she has gone you have also witnessed her.

00:31 You see...

00:32 Films shaddow of the Shah has gone and aemporer has disappeared.

00:37 She is technically in jail in Shabad but she has disappeared.

00:41 Over the past 3 months whether you consider him as the Poet Rama or Ahmad Sharif Road,

00:47 Max Harman who there to decide?

00:51 Can he say that he was a citizen of Pakistan?

00:55 I have a clear argument on this.

00:58 Yes, of course.

00:59 Now we will talk about it.

01:01 The issue is that when your minister of information,

01:04 who has been given so many flowers and garlands in the press club,

01:08 gives an interview to BBC and says that this is not clear.

01:11 This issue is very understandable.

01:13 When you label people in this way, put them in a category,

01:18 then to end their rights you take the first step.

01:23 This is very important.

01:24 Secondly, the issue does not end there.

01:26 The other issues that happened with the institutions,

01:28 how many people of your institution have you filed FIRs against?

01:30 I will tell you.

01:31 Today was the day when Arshad Sharif left Pakistan.

01:33 Yesterday was the day when they broke the door of Ahmad Yusuf's house

01:37 and took him away in front of his children.

01:40 Yesterday was the day when New Arwa was closed.

01:44 Yesterday was the day when your interior minister and information minister

01:47 held a press conference to revoke the license of New Arwa.

01:50 You know what happened after that.

01:52 And you have filed FIRs against other people who are your associates.

01:55 But you have to see the whole of journalism.

01:59 We are sitting in that government.

02:01 Yes, but this happens all the time.

02:03 This is a cycle.

02:05 We should not condone it, but this is a cycle.

02:09 It happens, it happens before too.

02:12 It is happening now, to be honest, there is no comparison.

02:14 I am saying this with great responsibility.

02:16 There is no comparison.

02:17 He is saying there is no comparison to what you are saying.

02:21 In our time, he is absolutely right that there is no comparison.

02:24 But things have been happening before.

02:26 In the time of Jannatayub Khan, things have become more severe.

02:29 So you will start mixing democracy with martial law.

02:31 I am talking about the past.

02:33 You are right.

02:34 No, the next thing.

02:35 They are called democracy.

02:36 Those who go and do secret meetings, hide in cars.

02:40 No, General Bajwa told me that General Khan,

02:42 or you remember, General Jahangir Trin was brought to my house.

02:46 Or after that, there were secret dealings, all the GHQs kept coming.

02:50 You call them democracy leaders.

02:52 What was the fight about?

02:54 The fight was that the army is with me or with him.

02:58 What speeches did Khan Sahib give?

03:00 He is the biggest democracy leader.

03:02 He used to say that I call him, General Asim Munir does not listen to me.

03:06 He is the biggest democracy leader who was standing for democracy.

03:09 He is the biggest democracy leader who is saying that

03:11 Mr. Shabashri and his party or Mr. Zardari,

03:13 all these secret meetings, dealings, now everything has come out.

03:16 When Imran Khan was to be removed from power,

03:18 who was doing secret meetings?

03:20 If you want to compare them as democracy leaders,

03:22 then I do not believe that they are democracy leaders.

03:24 Those who sit with an army general,

03:27 on their shoulders,

03:29 and want to become a prime minister,

03:31 you say that I call him a democracy minister.

03:33 Respect him, make him a law.

03:35 Why should he be made?

03:36 He will not be made, sir.

03:37 Even now, you have the anger of Mr. Khan,

03:40 that I call the general, he does not answer my call.

03:42 I will only talk to him.

03:44 He says that we will talk to him.

03:46 Now, when Mr. Shabashri went to the GHQ,

03:48 he had a conversation,

03:49 or all the cabinets went up.

03:50 He spoke to Mr. Aloni.

03:51 No, listen sir,

03:52 the whole cabinet has gone there.

03:54 There is a meeting going on.

03:55 Otherwise, it should have been round.

03:57 The whole services should have been achieved.

03:59 He should have come to the Prime Minister's House.

04:01 He should have come and sat.

04:02 There should have been a farewell.

04:03 You have this whole system,

04:04 as far as it goes,

04:05 you think it is a democratic system,

04:06 a democratic parliament,

04:07 and these are democratic people,

04:08 laws, laws, bills,

04:10 and here are the human rights violations.

04:12 I came and said,

04:13 "General, this is a waste of time,

04:14 you are upset with the reference of the youth."

04:15 He said, "Okay, sir,

04:16 you matched these democratic governments together."

04:18 The day he becomes a democratic,

04:19 his respect will automatically start.

04:21 Sir, you do not call it democracy.

04:22 No, I am saying that.

04:23 The day he becomes,

04:24 at this time, Mr. Khan,

04:25 Mr. Shabashri,

04:26 have only one fight.

04:27 That is one general,

04:29 the general will come and put his flag in his coat

04:32 or put his flag in his coat.

04:33 So, this is a democratic fight.

04:34 No, but for three years,

04:35 the PDM had only complained that

04:37 we have to end these things,

04:38 we have to end the high-bred system.

04:40 Here, they have made a mess,

04:43 where we were democratic people,

04:45 we were doing struggle.

04:46 You were doing it for yourself.

04:47 If you have just removed Imran Khan in power,

04:49 then you have set your cases,

04:50 billions of rupees cases.

04:51 Why are you afraid of him?

04:52 Now, if you are afraid of him,

04:53 then you can seize his house.

04:54 During the time of Khan,

04:55 it was being sold.

04:56 If his 50 crores were seized in the bank,

04:57 then you can take all of it back.

04:58 Salman Shahbaz has also come,

04:59 then after that.

05:00 So, the real purpose was the same,

05:01 you are right.

05:02 All these beneficiaries,

05:03 if you give them the money,

05:05 then this hybrid system will never be there.

05:07 And the last thing,

05:08 I say it again and again,

05:09 the fear of ruling,

05:10 the obsession of ruling over humans,

05:12 for this, you have to give your head,

05:14 you have to take your head.

05:15 So, they are taking their heads now.

05:17 It is a fight of their obsession,

05:19 who will be the ruler of both?

05:20 The ruler, then,

05:21 they give their heads,

05:22 then everyone takes it.

05:23 Democracy is somewhere in the middle.

05:24 Now, the history of the Mughals will tell you,

05:26 who put their father inside,

05:27 who cut the head of his brother.

05:28 Now, look at King Henry,

05:29 he is a good wife,

05:30 he is a good son,

05:31 he is a good father,

05:32 look at his wife,

05:33 his wife,

05:34 he had killed three of them.

05:35 This is a sad story.

05:36 This was happening in England too.

05:37 No, but we had made the constitution 50 years ago.

05:40 I told you about the constitution,

05:41 the constitution that was to be implemented,

05:43 Mr. Khan is the biggest symbol of democracy,

05:45 he is the biggest daily...

05:46 Your father is the symbol of democracy in his place.

05:49 Mr. Khan is the son,

05:51 he would have stood up,

05:52 he was a popular leader,

05:53 he would not have called General Asim Munir,

05:55 that I want to meet you.

05:56 Why?

05:57 I mean, this is not how it happens.

05:58 Then you tell one person,

05:59 he was calling correctly,

06:00 he was calling wrongly.

06:01 But he was giving the right answer,

06:02 which others said,

06:03 he will give respect to the vote,

06:04 he too went out to give respect to the vote.

06:06 Sir, I have told you all the time,

06:07 that he has been beneficial,

06:08 I mean, Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,

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