FEMALE SUBMISSION?!?!? - Donor Livestream

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Chapters


0:00 Saturday Morning Greetings
2:58 The Debate on Female Submission
6:39 Submission in Daily Life and Relationships
14:01 The Concept of Submission in Society
24:58 The Complexities of Submission
26:09 Misconceptions and Mutual Submission
34:52 Authority and Respect in Relationships
36:21 Unveiling Invisible Submission Requirements
41:53 The Role of Submission in Authority
46:22 The Paradox of Enslavement by Choices
49:03 Dental Battles and Tough Choices
57:40 Joy in Submission and Rigorous Analysis
1:02:25 Vanity, Submission, and Choosing Suffering
1:10:02 Navigating Life and Avoiding Regrets

Brief Summary

Stefan initiates a thought-provoking discussion on various aspects of submission in relationships and society. The conversation delves into power dynamics, respect, and the nuances of submission in personal and professional settings. Emphasizing the importance of mutual comprehension and open dialogue, the episode challenges listeners to reflect on their perspectives regarding submission and its role in different contexts. Highlighting the significance of expertise, respect, and informed decision-making, the conversation underscores the complexities of submission and its impact on individuals' lives. Stefan shares personal insights on embracing philosophical principles, peaceful parenting, and the connection between submission, ideology, and personal responsibility. The episode concludes with a call for continued exploration into these essential topics.
Transcript
00:00:00All right, all right. Excellent, excellent. Hi, everybody. Welcome to your Saturday. Got a little bit of time today. And when I have a little bit of time today, the first people I think of are you glorious folks.
00:00:10So, yeah, I've got a couple of mindless things to do around the house and I'm all ears. Questions, comments, issues, challenge, you know the drill. What's on your mind? Go on once, go on twice.
00:00:22I just wanted to ask if, like, does it matter that we don't know who created Bitcoin? Like, does that add value to it as a currency?
00:00:34Interesting question. Interesting question. Tell me, have you read cases for or against?
00:00:43Yeah, I'm more familiar with the for side of it in that because we don't know who created it, there's nobody you can go after to sort of manipulate or coerce to give you any more edge than you would have if you could afford, like, all the compute power to actually take over the blockchain, if that makes sense.
00:01:03Sort of, yeah. I mean, I've heard people say, the Bitcoin creation IP address is the NSA. And, you know, I mean, who knows, right? Seems unlikely. But I don't think it matters because the whole point of the Bitcoin protocol is to be immune from individual manipulation.
00:01:23Because it's democratic, right? People have to vote on the forks and so on. So even if they knew, I mean, you know, it's a pre-Julian Assange and a post-Julian Assange world, right? So if people had a, you know, once they saw what happened with Julian Assange, I think a lot of people were like, yeah, I think anonymous might be all right. I think that could be the way to go.
00:01:48So I don't think it hugely matters. You know, it's the sort of thing, like, we don't know the guy, the first guy to invent bronze, right? That doesn't mean bronze is either valuable or useless, depending on that. So it's the tool itself rather than the originator.
00:02:04I mean, obviously it'd be quite fascinating to know that, but we don't. And we may never. Or maybe people do and they don't say anything about it. I guess the original guy knows. But I don't imagine the original guy is still around. That's sort of my, I can't imagine that that would be the case. I mean, he's sitting on one of the largest, well, one of the fastest and largest wealth accumulations in human history and doesn't seem to have touched it at all unless he's got secret wallets everywhere.
00:02:29So I don't imagine he's still around. He could have been Seth Rich. He could have been any number of things. But I think it's such a lifeboat that even the most corrupt people in the world are looking at it as a lifeboat of security away from the disaster of fiat currency. So even though they may curse him in the short run, I think that they'll bless him in the long run, if that makes any sense.
00:02:50What do you guys think? Hey, listen, if we got a quiet group today, that's fine. I mean, I got some stuff to ramble on about, but if you want to chat, I'm all ears. All right. Okay. So tell me what you guys think of the concept or idea or question of female submission.
00:03:11I had a rousing debate offline the other day with people about female submission. There was a comment on, it was some dating app where the woman said, the guy said, I don't think it's a good match. And she said, just out of curiosity, why? And he went through a bunch of things and he said, you know, also, you wouldn't be submissive because of X, Y, and Z.
00:03:34And it's a really wild word because he said, hey, I want a woman who's going to be a stay at home mom and raise my kids. And I also want her to be submissive. And it was really quite an exciting debate. You can almost hear the bombs going off in people's brains about the concept of female submission. And have you guys ever had conversations like that or rolled over those ideas or is it just feel like a kind of slow roll estrogen suicide?
00:04:04I've seen them, but I am curious how that was defined.
00:04:09Well, it wasn't defined. That was the exciting thing. And I would argue the interesting thing. I think that was the interesting thing. So I'll tell you sort of my case for what was going on and you guys can tell me sort of what you think.
00:04:28So when it came to submission as a whole, you know, women kind of rail and boil against this, you know, to be submissive is to not exist, to not have opinions. Oh, do I have to ask you if I want to go to the bathroom? You know, that kind of stuff. So submission is self erasure and so on. Right?
00:04:52Now, my argument was that, I mean, I'm not sure I would agree with the way the guy put it, but he is submitting. And he is submitting because he's going to work in providing the income.
00:05:08So if submission is bad, right? Submission. I mean, he's and he's saying, look, I'm not submitting. I'm not submitting to you. I'm submitting to that which is best for the family. So it's best for the family in a traditional structure. Let's say the man goes out to work.
00:05:25And the woman stays home and raises the kids. Right? So that's what's best from a sort of traditional, it's best for the kids. Right? So he's saying, look, I'm going to have to go and submit to a boss. See, it's funny because as men, don't we submit all the time? I mean, it's a constant state of submission.
00:05:44I mean, you got to submit to your boss, you have to submit to your customers, you have to submit to sort of business requirements. And in order to provide an income for your family, you have to have a certain element of submission. I mean, I submit to some degree, of course, to the wishes and preferences of the listeners.
00:06:07And I, of course, have to submit to that which is best for the people I work for and that which is best for philosophy. I have to submit my arguments to reason and evidence. I have to subjugate myself, right? To a wide variety of people, standards, requirements, preferences, and methodologies, some of which I don't even agree with.
00:06:31But I have to submit for a variety of reasons that we can sort of get into. If you want, doesn't hugely matter. But I think we all have that. I mean, if this guy, the guy who wants to stay at home wife, well, he's going to submit because he's going to get up at seven o'clock in the morning and get ready for work and go to work when he doesn't feel like it. And he's going to be doing all of these things for his family.
00:06:59So, his submission to that which is best for the family is baked into him offering the woman to pay all the bills. How do you pay the bills? Well, you got to submit. I mean, I've done shows when I haven't felt like it. I've done shows with headaches. I've done shows under sort of bomb and death threats and speeches and so on.
00:07:21You know, when it wasn't a super amount of fun and yet I still have to be charming and engaging and interesting and hopefully provide a modicum of wisdom and charisma and so on. So, there are times where you just have to, you know, when I went to Australia and New Zealand, I mean, man, I was tired, you know, like it's a big time change and it was really through my clock off and all of that.
00:07:45But, you know, I had to submit. And of course, you know, in the contracts with the bookers, it's like, yeah, you got to give these speeches. You got to submit. Now, again, I'm not like enslaved. I chose to do it. So, I get all of that. But there's a submission to requirements without an individual preference in the moment. And that seems quite important.
00:08:06So, by offering to pay all the family's bills, the man is saying, I'm submitting. Now, is he submitting to the woman? Well, to some degree. Is he submitting to the children? Yeah. But for men, submission, you know, nature to be commanded must be obeyed and so on.
00:08:30Submission is reproductive strength. It is familial strength. If you're not willing to submit to a boss, to economic requirements, to the need to provide value in the remnants of the free market, if you're not willing to submit, you can't have a family because you can't make an income.
00:08:49So, for men, I think submission is kind of baked into masculinity. And there is an element of submission if you take on all the bills. And so, if the woman says, well, submission is really bad, submission is self-erasure, then the man can say, well, so then me submitting to my boss to pay the bills must be really bad and must be self-erasure.
00:09:12And if it's terrible and bad and wrong to submit, then I can't pay the bills. You can't be a stay-at-home mom. We can't raise children because apparently submission is really bad.
00:09:24And then the other odd thing is, of course, that the woman says, submission is really bad, but if she has a job, she submits to her boss because, you know, you have a certain amount of leverage with your boss, but not as much as your boss has with you generally, right?
00:09:40So, if submission is really bad, then she shouldn't submit to her boss. She can't have a job. And so, there's this funny kind of prickliness that comes with regards to women about submission. And I mean, I'm curious what you guys think. What's your relationship to submission?
00:10:00I mean, I feel pretty much sometimes yanked around like the tail of a kite by submission, like I have to submit to reason and evidence and importance and do things that are sometimes difficult because that's the deal, that's the gig. So, I feel like submission is a great part of my life. I don't resent it. In fact, I find it quite liberating because it takes the opposite of submission sometimes, it's kind of vanity.
00:10:24But women and submission, it seems to me almost like a programmed or reactive response. Like, it's just bad. It's like, okay, well, if it's just bad, then you shouldn't have a job because a job means you have to submit. So, we all got to serve someone. We ought to submit someone or something. We got to submit to someone or something. Isn't it the most glorious thing to submit to people who love you and what's best for them and your kids, your wife, your family, as opposed to just some anonymous boss who will replace you with AI in a moment's notice if you look at him funny?
00:10:54So, I just had this very interesting debate because, of course, submission is a big, big topic and the sort of question of the argumentative woman, and it can happen for men as well, but I think we're slightly better trained in submission. And I said, like, a man's nature with regards to women is to be submissive. Like, that's what we do as men. We submit, right? So, in general, and maybe it's changed now, maybe it has.
00:11:21But, you know, you ask the woman out and pay for the first couple of dates, at least, and you go pick her up and so on, right? And so, men just submit to women because that's how our genes survive, because women are the gatekeepers of reproduction.
00:11:38So, this is where sort of chivalry and deference and, you know, treating women like a princess, like all this kind of stuff comes from. Like, a man's default position is deference, right? To women and their preferences, needs, and interests. To woo, right? Men woo women, men write poetry for women, men build buildings to protect women, and so on.
00:12:02I mean, 80% of the economy revolves around what women want, not what men care about. And so, the default position for the man is submission and deference. And in being the wage earner, he is deferring to the needs of his family, to his boss, to the customers, to whatever sort of needed economic necessity. He is deferring to all of those. He's submitting to all of those.
00:12:27And so, if he says to a woman, I want you to be submissive. Again, I know the word has been kind of poisoned, like sort of anarchy or whatever, right? But I find it very interesting. So, to what then does the woman submit? And for a woman to submit, I think it's been kind of programmed that this is enslavement and self-erasure and it's terrible and you lose your identity and you're just obedient like a puppy or something like that, right?
00:12:57And it's like, okay, well, then the man's income comes from his submission to economic necessity and a boss and customers and so on. Like, you can never escape this, right? You can never. I mean, maybe, I guess, if you inherit a zillion dollars or something, you can escape it to some degree. But, you know, it's really, for almost all men, it's kind of impossible to escape economic necessity. So, we have to submit to that reality, right?
00:13:24I mean, you submit your work, right? Or in university, don't you have to submit to the course requirements and what the professor wants? Of course, you can choose these things, but they can also change. It's not like everything's on the up and up with the syllabus and all of that. And so, yeah, it just seems to me submission is kind of part of life.
00:13:42And the other thing, too, is that if women say, well, you know, I'm strong, fierce, independent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they don't want to submit and all of that, well, I guess that's fine in a way, but all that means is that cultures where the women are more submissive, you know, outbreed you. And, of course, in a democracy, that means that you're not going to stay submissive anyway, right?
00:14:08All of this strong, independent stuff is like, okay, well, when cultures from other places come into your country and have a birth rate significantly higher than yours, I mean, in particular, in a democracy, well, that's, you know, it doesn't really matter what you say. It doesn't really matter what you, I don't want this, I do want that. It's like, okay, but you want the capacity for your children to live as you live. Well, you ain't going to have that.
00:14:32So, anyway, that's sort of, I'm not sure if this is an interesting topic, if there's other things that people want to talk about, but I got into a very spirited debate because I feel that I am quite submissive to the sort of demands of the world and philosophy and virtue and all of that. And so, for me, if somebody says you have to submit, I'd be like, well, yeah, that's kind of the male deal, isn't it?
00:14:58So, what do you guys think with regards to this stuff?
00:15:04Yeah, I was thinking, you know, in relationship to my weight loss recently, I mean, either way I was submitting, I was either submitting to, like, historical madness, or I was going to submit to reality and the goals that I wanted to achieve in my life, right?
00:15:19Yeah, you have to submit to biology and physics just to lose the weight, right?
00:15:23Yeah, and either way I'm submitting, I just, what am I submitting to, right? Or, you know what I mean? Like, I'm either going to try to ignore reality, which is going to catch up with me in a bad way, you know, ultimately, or I can say, okay, well, I accept that. And also, what are my goals? What am I?
00:15:43Other sorts of things. And on the point of, I get this weird feeling, and maybe it's just sort of like, I'm sort of getting this spider sense of everybody else's sort of agitation around, particularly the women around the submission thing.
00:16:04But I've seen, like, sort of more or less trad women online talking about being submissive. And I don't know exactly what it is. It always seems strange, but I kind of get, I totally get where you're coming from.
00:16:16And what they talk about, they're not talking about, like, rolling over or not anything else. They're talking about being pleasant. They're talking about being good wives, you know, being good homemakers and that kind of stuff. They're not talking about, like, not having opinions, although maybe some go that far, but I think that's just a meme at that point.
00:16:33Well, no, but it's not a question of having opinions or not to me. Like, when I work, you know, when I worked for people, I mean, I still work for people, it's just a bit more diffuse with an audience rather than a particular boss.
00:16:45I was allowed to have opinions at work. But eventually, I just had to submit to the boss. Like, I was allowed to make my case. I think we should do X, Y, or Z. But eventually, you know, whether it was the CEO, when I was in software or the board or whatever it is, right?
00:16:59Like, if I say I really want to change Free Domain Radio to be a model train appreciation club, you know, and let's say people were like, no, I mean, you can do what you want, but I'm not donating for a model railroad club, right? Well, what would I do?
00:17:19I mean, I'd either have to give up my income, or I'd have to submit to the preferences of the listeners. Now, there are times when, you know, I will, I mean, there are certainly people who want me to go on Twitter, who want me to do politics and so on. So it's not like I have no opinion. But if I'm not doing those things, I need to find, you know, I need to either, I just need to accept the lower income or the less engagement, or I need to find some other way to engage listeners.
00:17:45I don't know. It's funny. I don't think that men in particular prickle at submission. Like, when I was a kid, you know, I'm pretty sporty. And when I was in England, I would usually get chosen pretty quickly for games. Like, you know, where you split up the captains of the team, so to speak, and you just choose who's going to be on your team. I'd usually be chosen pretty quickly.
00:18:06When I came to Canada, where I wasn't familiar with a lot of the sports, for a while, I wasn't chosen. Because it's like, yeah, fruity English guy doesn't know exactly what's going on with baseball, or I still don't really understand football too well. That's sad to say. But I played baseball. Now, of course, once I got good at baseball, then I was chosen, because I'm a pretty good hitter and all that.
00:18:33So I had to sort of accept my time in, so to speak, the doghouse, and submit to the requirements of having to be good at the sport in order to be chosen. And I didn't, I wasn't mad about that. That's like, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, of course, right? I would do the same, right? And if I wanted to win the game, I wouldn't choose the guy right off the boat who didn't know how the game was played particularly well, right?
00:19:00So there just seems to be, and if submission is bad, then the woman should not submit to her boss, which means she can't keep her job, right? And it's because it all just seems about the man she's supposed to be in love with. That's all the submission seems to focus on. Right? So they don't say, well, you can't ever submit to your boss, or your professor, because if you don't submit to your boss or your professor, you don't get a job or your degree.
00:19:28So it's fine to do that, right?
00:19:31But just when it comes to the man who's the father of your children, and it's like the one place where submission would be the most arguable for is the one place where women, it seems to me, have been programmed to resist.
00:19:45Because they submit to the law, right? They submit to taxes, they submit to the government, they submit to the professors, the teachers, they submit to their bosses, and that's all considered empowering, right? Go and submit to your boss. That's empowering.
00:20:04You're a strong, independent woman with her own career. Oh, you want to become a lawyer? Well, you have to submit to the requirements of becoming a lawyer. Can't just go and become a lawyer, no matter how good you are at debating or how well you know the law, you've got to jump through all. You want to become a doctor? My gosh, you've got to go and submit to all of the requirements of licensing, and that's all considered like the best thing in the known universe, right?
00:20:29So I find it a little confusing, which is why is submission so fantastic to everyone except the father of your children? I mean, is it just an anti-family thing? Is it just to sow the seeds of resentment and cause men and women to have problems with each other? Like, it's just kind of, I just find it kind of weird. What do you guys think?
00:20:53Yeah, I think like an hour. Yeah, go ahead.
00:20:57So I had like an hour-long discussion sort of about all these topics with a woman not even a week ago, and I got the exact same vibe to where it's like, yeah, okay, submission is fine in the workplace and in school, and I juxtapose that with submission to your husband to her, and she basically said, well, you've got more leverage over your husband. So that I was kind of like, well, at least that's at least honest.
00:21:24Oh, so she doesn't have to submit because she's got a family courts, right?
00:21:28Basically, yeah, or she was like, well, romance should be more egalitarian. This particular woman is very, like, extremely left wing, but still pretty open. So it's interesting to have these kind of discussions with her because, you know, we broach it all kind of came up with the subject of having close guy friends in the context of a romantic relationship.
00:21:51Having close what?
00:21:54Having close male friends, like male best friends.
00:21:56Oh, yeah.
00:21:58Yeah, and so I brought that up to her and she's like, well, to your point, it's almost like the degree to which they're programmed to have this sort of don't submit to anything or a submission to everything, but your husband is fine.
00:22:15It's like they also seem it's like pulling teeth to get them to take anything off the negotiation table, you know, because I was like, well, if you're a man and you get married, you know, you can't go take all these different economic risks. And that's a huge thing that a man gives up when he submits.
00:22:29So I just, I just said to her, I said, I don't see why it's such a big deal to not, you know, say, go out and get drunk with your girlfriends or have male quote unquote best friends that you hang around. And she just couldn't. She's like, yeah, but then I have to give something up. And I'm like, well, kind of both parties do.
00:22:43Right, right, right. And of course, you know, nature to be commanded must be obeyed. It's not like we gave up the power of mysticism in order to accept science, like through accepting science and engineering and actual facts of reality, we gained massive power over reality.
00:22:58So I don't think that's, you know, it's not, oh, my gosh, we've given up the fantasy that, you know, chicken entrails determine the future. It's like, okay, but they don't. And it's funny because, and I think the power dynamic is interesting as well.
00:23:14So how much would I have to submit to my boss if I decided to quit my job, my boss had to give me his house? Right? Because if the woman decides to quit the marriage, I mean, you know, again, I know there's exceptions and all of that. But in general, if the woman decides to quit the marriage, the man has to give her half his money.
00:23:42So half his assets, right? So if I, what's it going to be like in a performance review with me and my boss, if I decide to quit, my boss can't hire a replacement for a couple of years. And he has to give me half his assets. You know, isn't that going to give me kind of disproportionate leverage in any kind of negotiation with my boss?
00:24:09And so the submission that the man has with his boss is almost infinitely greater than the submission that the woman would have to her husband. And again, the man is submitting to the needs of the woman and the family by going to work and making the money.
00:24:29And so, like if the man says, I want us both to contribute equally to the income of the family, okay, well then, you know, they're both submitting equally, right? But if the woman says, I want you to pay my bills and I won't submit to you, but you have to, I mean, implicit in paying the bills is submitting to the woman and submitting to the, that's what's best for the family, right? That's kind of baked in to the whole thing.
00:24:58So then the man has to submit to his boss and customers and all the, all of the restraints at work, he has to submit to all of that. And he has to submit to his wife. Now, what does the woman have to submit to? I don't know. I mean, you could say the needs of the children and so on, although that doesn't seem to be happening that much anymore with daycare and all this kind of crap, right?
00:25:25But so the man has to submit to his boss and the wife and the children, economic necessity and so on. And what does the woman have to submit to? It's a little hard to answer.
00:25:38Literally only that which she wants to.
00:25:41Well, I mean, she's got a baby at home, right? And let's say that she's breastfeeding. I mean, to be fair, right? She has to, she has to get up and breastfeed the baby, right? So she's submitting to that. And that's, I mean, that's a real thing. That's a, that's a, that's a big job that goes on for a year, year and a half and so on.
00:26:00Although less, you know, sort of overnight as time passes, but there is some submission to that for sure. But the man has to submit to a whole bunch. And for things to be equal, shouldn't the woman have to submit as well? Now, submission, again, doesn't mean, I think for women, they translate submission as I don't have a voice. I can't say anything. I have no effect. I don't exist.
00:26:30But I think that projection, honestly, because again, you know, you're at work. And, you know, I work with some very fine folks. We had a nice long chat yesterday about the business. And I said, you know, well, what can I do differently? Or what can I do better? That's going to make you guys happier and more satisfied. And, you know, that's, that's very important to me.
00:26:48So there's a mutual submission. I'm asking you guys what you want to talk about. Like, I wanted to talk about this topic. And I'm like, well, what do you guys want to talk about? And if you'd wanted to talk about another topic, I would have submitted to that, right? Because, I mean, I care about you guys and want us all to do well in philosophy. I thank you for your support, all that kind of good stuff.
00:27:04So there's a lot of submission in the male world. And we, you know, we have to sometimes submit to bigger men and their physical threats or whatever it is, if that could be happening. And yeah, there's just, and of course, we have to submit to the draft in general, if that sort of comes our way. And it's just a lot of submission in the male world.
00:27:26And if submission is bad, right, if submission means you don't have an identity, you don't have a soul and you cease to exist, then the man going to work is a double submission, because he's submitting to the family, and he's submitting to his boss. So if submission is bad, and means you don't exist, then the woman should never ask the man to pay for anything.
00:27:50It should be exactly 50-50, no matter what. But then she can only get the money to pay for things because she's submitting to her boss. So submission becomes good again. Like, it's just, it's a real brain teaser. And there's something that's just hard to sort of puzzle out about this. If submission is bad, then you can't live. Because you can't, I mean, submitting to necessity, submitting to the needs for your boss, submitting to what your customers want, and so on.
00:28:19That's how you live. I mean, if you're a farmer, you have to submit to the requirements of planting and harvesting and fertilizing and protecting from predators and protecting from parasites and bugs and birds and all this kind of stuff. You have to do a lot of that. You have to submit to reality in order to get anything.
00:28:37So why do you think it is? Like, it immediately becomes like the handmaiden's tale or something, which is all just made up paranoid nonsense to me. But what is it with women and submission? Why is it so absolutely unquestionably heinous without any particular thought?
00:28:57Like, when you ask them, well, doesn't the man submit? And don't you have to submit to work? And don't you have to submit to your professors and your teachers and so on? They're like, well, yeah, but that's good. It's like, oh, okay, so submission is good. And the man has to submit to his boss to get the income for you to stay home with your kids, which you want to do. So that submission is good. So how can submission be both really good and the worst thing in the world?
00:29:22Like, if I'm empowered because I have a job as a lawyer, but all the people you had to submit to to get that job as a lawyer, the teachers, professors, the governing, the licensing board, and your boss, and like, so there's tons of submission, right?
00:29:36So if being a lawyer is really empowering, but the only way you could become a lawyer is by submitting like crazy, then how can submission be bad? It's like Schrodinger's submission or something, you know, it's massively empowering and a complete self erasure at the same time. And I just find that bizarre. And also, if it's like, well, you wouldn't respect me if I just submitted to you on everything.
00:30:00Well, of course, that's not what submission means. You still get a voice in a negotiation. But if you say, well, submission is humiliating, and it engenders disrespect, it's like, okay, but I have to submit to my boss in order to get an income. Does that mean that you despise me, think I don't exist and have no respect for me because I do what my boss wants me to do in order to make an income?
00:30:24Or if a woman marries a lawyer, he had to submit to a whole bunch of things, he still has a governing body, he has all these regulations that cover his profession, he still has to get recertified, or he has to take continual education, and if he doesn't, then he has to follow all these rules that don't have anything to do in particular with law, regulations, and so on, his governing body.
00:30:44So, if she's happy that he's a lawyer, and he's only a lawyer because he submits to X, Y, and Z, then how can submission be bad? Anyway, maybe there's a simpler way to understand it, like it's just programming or something, they just want to program resentment or whatever, but does it seem odd to you guys, or am I overthinking it?
00:31:06It has to do with what does a woman submit?
00:31:12Who's going to go first?
00:31:16You can go first because you've had your hand up for a while.
00:31:20Thank you. I think that response that you get, like, no, it's bad, it's a knee-jerk reaction, it's like someone throws a ball at your face and you just flinch away.
00:31:34So it's programmed?
00:31:36Yeah, the initial response is programmed, but I also think there's an underlying message to it that says that I won't submit to a man unless he deserves it, or unless he's worthy enough.
00:31:52Nowadays, when a 5 basically thinks she can get an alpha 10, they never find a man that is worthy of that form of submission.
00:32:08Now, do women say, I will submit to a worthy man? I don't hear that very much, but again, I'm not exactly in the dating world.
00:32:18No, I have actually gotten a little bit of, let's say I had women implying that when I talked to them, but I actually had one woman who I was dating for six months.
00:32:32She actually told me straight up, and this was after years of being ignored by her former husband, and basically every other man rolling over for her because she was beautiful.
00:32:44She said straight out to me, I want a man to put me in my place.
00:32:48A man to tame my voice?
00:32:52No, that could put me in my place.
00:32:58Right, okay, got it. Interesting. Have you guys heard that from other women, or is that more singular?
00:33:11It sounds kind of like domination to me.
00:33:14Well, no, no, but you're back into, it's win-lose.
00:33:20So, it's submission, it's win-lose, that's the idea.
00:33:24So, if she wants a man to put her in a place, what she's saying, she's saying, I don't want a man who's afraid of me.
00:33:30And of course women don't want a man who's afraid of them, right?
00:33:34Because a man who's afraid of them is signaling that he won't succeed in competition with other men.
00:33:39Yeah, it makes sense, but putting in my place is like, I feel like it's like a negotiation, right?
00:33:50Like, hey, I submit to you based off these principles, you submit to me based off these principles.
00:33:54Like, putting me in my place seems like, I don't know, it's like, it's on the man to just kind of,
00:33:59it's that language, it just seems like it's on the man to kind of like control, but I feel like it's more of a negotiation.
00:34:06No, but being put in your place, I think means having a realistic assessment of your value or your skills or your abilities, right?
00:34:20So, to me, that's what being put in your place is this accurate feedback, right?
00:34:25So, of course, men will constantly lie to beautiful women and flatter and praise and, you know, the whole simping thing, right?
00:34:34They're basically lying to women.
00:34:37Because they're saying, well, you're all kinds of wonderful when they're just saying, I'm all kinds of horny, right?
00:34:42And so, being put in my place is, I want a man who has an accurate assessment of my value and virtues.
00:34:52I don't want a sort of enthusiastic kindergarten teacher who says everything I do is wonderful,
00:34:58because that's pathetic, and it kind of is, right?
00:35:05Yeah, I think it's about assertiveness.
00:35:07I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
00:35:08And competence.
00:35:09Go ahead.
00:35:14Sorry, can you hear me okay or no?
00:35:16It's a little, you might want to bring the mic a little closer.
00:35:20Okay.
00:35:21I don't know if you're talking now, but I can't hear you at all.
00:35:29Just so you know.
00:35:33I'll change my mic.
00:35:36Sorry, you're coming and going?
00:35:39I think he said he'll change his mic.
00:35:41Oh, he'll change his mic. Okay, thanks.
00:35:42I have a question in the meanwhile.
00:35:44Yeah, go for it.
00:35:46The person you were speaking to, who was concerned with the fact, or the possibility that this woman would not submit,
00:35:54did he characterize his input in the potential relationship as submission as well?
00:36:01No, no, he didn't, but it's kind of like an IQ test.
00:36:04Like, if I say to a woman, I'll pay all the bills, I'll go and work for us outside the home, and I'll pay all the bills,
00:36:14then the submission to economic necessity, it's not even implied.
00:36:19Like, that's just kind of stated, right?
00:36:21So, his submission is, I'm going to get up at 7 o'clock in the morning, battle traffic, difficult bosses, and customers,
00:36:28and economic necessity, and the vagaries of the economics, ups and downs, I'll navigate all of that,
00:36:33and I'll go to work and get all these things done, and you can sit home and play with the babies.
00:36:38So, to me, their submission, that's just, like, how is that not visible?
00:36:44I think for a lot of women it's not, maybe because they get their money from the government, I don't know.
00:36:48But for a lot of women, that just doesn't seem to be visible.
00:36:50Like, if a man says, I'll pay all the bills, she's like, well, I'm not going to submit, why would I?
00:36:55It's like, because I'm submitting by paying all the bills.
00:36:58I think that partly has to do with the way the word has been associated with, like you said, self-erasure,
00:37:09which could lead to a miscommunication when you tell somebody, when you tell a potential relationship candidate
00:37:17that you want them to submit.
00:37:22I think because of that potential for miscommunication, it might be worth elaborating.
00:37:28Well, now, so that's interesting, right?
00:37:30And I've sort of made that exact point, where when I sort of explain all of this, the women are like,
00:37:38oh yeah, okay, that makes sense, I guess, but the moment I hear the word submission, I'm out, right?
00:37:44I'm not going to date that guy.
00:37:46And I'm like, well, why wouldn't you just ask?
00:37:48What do you mean by that?
00:37:51Right?
00:37:52Like, why wouldn't you say, oh, submission, that's interesting.
00:37:55I'm not sure what you mean by that.
00:37:56I mean, I get that you'll be submitting because you'll be paying all the bills,
00:38:00but I'm not sure what you mean by submission from me, right?
00:38:03So it's an empathy question.
00:38:05Is the woman just going to get offended and storm off, or is she going to ask you what you mean?
00:38:09Because, you know, guess what, guys?
00:38:11In all relationships, the potential for misunderstanding is very high.
00:38:15What's your response to something that someone else says that upsets you?
00:38:18Are you like, huh, it's interesting, I wasn't expecting that, can you tell me more?
00:38:22Or are you just like, well, I'm out, this is a terrible thing that you're saying, right?
00:38:25And then you can't have a relationship with the volatile, right?
00:38:30Because they just take offense and get upset, and then you don't ever get hurt, right?
00:38:34So to me, it's like the reason that you would use that word is if the woman says,
00:38:40that word kind of doesn't sit right with me.
00:38:43I get that you'll be submitting because you'll be paying all the bills,
00:38:46but that word doesn't sit quite right with me, can you tell me more about what you mean?
00:38:50As opposed to, oh, that's so offensive, how dare you demand that I submit like a slave,
00:38:54and she storms off or whatever.
00:38:56It's like, well, that's a good way of weeding people out, isn't it?
00:39:01Yes, yes, you're entirely right on that.
00:39:06I find myself regularly asking, well, what do you mean by that?
00:39:10I think more people need to practice that.
00:39:12I think so.
00:39:16And then the question is, so what's the man getting in return for working 50, 60 hours a week?
00:39:25You know, if you sort of include the commute and all of that, right?
00:39:28So he's providing that, right?
00:39:31So what's the woman providing, right?
00:39:33That's sort of the big question.
00:39:34I say, oh, well, he's going to raise the kids and all that, right?
00:39:37It's like, okay, but the man's responsibilities go on for 40, 50 years, right?
00:39:43That's not raising the kids, right?
00:39:45Raising the kids doesn't go on that long.
00:39:47Like the really difficult part of raising the kids, if you can even call it difficult,
00:39:51the really difficult part of raising the kids, maybe the first couple of years.
00:39:56Say if three kids, you know, six to nine years.
00:40:03But the man's responsibility to pay for the family if his wife doesn't have a job, you know,
00:40:0920 to 70 or whatever you want to call it, you know, 40 or 50 years, right?
00:40:13So what is the man getting for that?
00:40:19And because this is important, right?
00:40:21This is the big question.
00:40:22It's the reason why millennials aren't getting married is the man can't answer that question.
00:40:25I could lose my house.
00:40:27I could lose my kids.
00:40:28I could get falsely accused of terrible things.
00:40:30I got to work for 50 years or 40 years.
00:40:34What do I get?
00:40:36Now, I think what the man wants to get to some degree is authority,
00:40:42which is I don't want to be second-guessed on the big decisions that I make about the areas that I'm good at.
00:40:48And of course, the woman has every right to ask for that as well.
00:40:50And she should.
00:40:51And that's a great thing to offer up, right?
00:40:55If the woman says we need X, Y, and Z and it's her area of expertise, then, yeah, that's what happens, right?
00:41:01So it's not enslavement because the enslavement problem means that then he's enslaved at his work and she won't respect him.
00:41:08Right.
00:41:09So if a woman says ahead of time, I'll take your money, but I'll consider you a slave and I won't respect you.
00:41:15That's a pretty bad deal, right?
00:41:17So if she says all submission is enslavement, then she's saying that I will consider you a powerless slave if you pay the bills.
00:41:26Well, that's not what a man wants to come home to.
00:41:28Hello, powerless slave.
00:41:30Thank you for paying the bills.
00:41:31Like a man don't want to come home for that, right?
00:41:32They don't want to work for that.
00:41:34So there has to be something that the man's really getting.
00:41:39And I think this submission thing is, well, I'm going to expect respect and I'm going to expect to be ceded authority in the areas of my expertise.
00:41:54And that doesn't mean that the woman can't have a voice.
00:41:57Of course, right?
00:41:59Of course.
00:42:00I mean, you have a voice at work, right?
00:42:02If your boss tells you to do something and you really, really don't want to do it and it's a really, really bad idea, you can make that case, right?
00:42:08It's good. You make the case.
00:42:09Absolutely.
00:42:11But the boss gets a final call, right?
00:42:13And now if you really, really disagree with the boss, then don't take the job or quit your job or whatever it is, right?
00:42:18But you get feedback, but not a final dispensation.
00:42:24And that's, I think, what the men are looking for is submission.
00:42:31That where I am the expert, you can have your input, but I get the final say.
00:42:41I mean, it's very much how it works in my marriage.
00:42:44Where my wife has expertise, I have input, she has the final say and vice versa.
00:42:51Is that submission?
00:42:52I don't think so.
00:42:55I think it's, you know, like when my dentist says, you know, you need to do X, Y, or Z, you know, maybe get a water pick because you got your wrist of teeth.
00:43:02Maybe you got to get a water pick back in there.
00:43:04It's like, am I submitting?
00:43:06Am I enslaved?
00:43:08Do I have no identity?
00:43:09It's like, no, she knows what she's doing.
00:43:12That's why I pay her.
00:43:13So she can tell me what to do.
00:43:15She has authority.
00:43:16Am I submitting to her and losing my identity?
00:43:19No.
00:43:21You're not submitting to her because I chose my dentist.
00:43:25Right?
00:43:26You're not submitting to your boss because you choose your boss.
00:43:30And you're not submitting to your husband or your wife because you choose your husband or your wife.
00:43:36So you can't be enslaved to that which you choose, right?
00:43:41I can't choose to get a mortgage and then say I'm enslaved to the bank for three grand a month.
00:43:47Those bastards stealing.
00:43:49It's like, I chose to buy the house.
00:43:51How can you be enslaved by your choices?
00:43:55That's a, I mean, that's a foundation.
00:43:57It's almost a praxeological contradiction.
00:44:01I'm enslaved by my choices.
00:44:04I choose to go to school.
00:44:05I'm enslaved by homework.
00:44:07It's like, no, that's what you have to do, right?
00:44:10To go to school.
00:44:11You got to do some homework.
00:44:13And so if you choose the man, then you should choose the man whose decisions you're going to respect.
00:44:23And you should also know that you have different skills, abilities, interests, and talents.
00:44:31Right?
00:44:33You know, like the amount of fruit trays and dessert trays my wife believes that we need when people come over is incomprehensible to me.
00:44:44I don't understand why we need like tiers and layers of cool things for people to snack on.
00:44:51But it's always gone when they're done and everybody has a great time.
00:44:55So I just, am I submitting to her?
00:44:57No, because I chose her.
00:44:58I chose her.
00:44:59I respect her judgment.
00:45:01She's a fantastic homemaker and she's great at organizing social stuff.
00:45:05So that's what she does.
00:45:08Do I agree with it or understand it?
00:45:10Not in particular, but I cede the decisions to her because she's the expert.
00:45:19Now, am I submitting to her?
00:45:22Well, I don't know.
00:45:23I mean, I go out and get the stuff.
00:45:27Am I enslaved?
00:45:29I mean, no more than I would be enslaved to my doctor if she said, hey, Porky, you need to drop some weight.
00:45:34Look at your BMI.
00:45:37Am I enslaved?
00:45:38No.
00:45:39I chose my doctor.
00:45:40I choose my doctor because I respect his or her advice.
00:45:48And so, how am I enslaved?
00:45:51By choosing the people that I defer to.
00:45:58You know, my accountant says X, Y, or Z.
00:46:00Okay.
00:46:01My lawyer says X, Y, or Z.
00:46:02Okay.
00:46:04Am I, I'm submitting.
00:46:06I mean, it's like, what are you talking about?
00:46:08They're the experts.
00:46:10You know, they make recommendations.
00:46:12I mean, I'll have some input, but I'm going to do what they say.
00:46:19You know, there might be a bit of back and forth, right?
00:46:21So sorry, go ahead.
00:46:23No, it's totally fine.
00:46:26So it's like, philosophically, logically speaking, you're absolutely right.
00:46:30And I think you sort of mentioned this before.
00:46:32It's sort of a programming thing because there is a lot of people that, you know, they clearly made choices like all the single moms out there.
00:46:39I mean, that's an obvious example.
00:46:40I mean, men have theirs too as well.
00:46:42But, you know, they're like, I made all these choices, but I'm enslaved to these choices I made, but I'm not going to connect the dots because, well, that's because that's obviously, you know, poor judgment thing.
00:46:55They kind of can't, in a way.
00:46:57They can, but they can't, if that makes sense, like emotionally, like back onto.
00:47:00Yeah, it's kind of like if you're a doctor and some potential patient comes to you and your patient says to you, I will never submit to your recommendation.
00:47:09I will never submit to you.
00:47:12Would you, as a doctor, take on a patient who absolutely promised that she would not do what you recommend, would not do what you say, would fight you on everything, would disagree with you on everything, and wouldn't take your advice?
00:47:24Like, oh, you have an ear infection, you need to take some antibiotics.
00:47:27No, I will not submit to you.
00:47:29Well, you couldn't be their doctor, right?
00:47:32Right, right.
00:47:36So, when you choose a doctor, you also choose to submit to what that doctor says.
00:47:43Now, there could be disagreements.
00:47:45You know, obviously, there was disagreement about the vaccine and so on.
00:47:48So, I get that there can be disagreements and you do, I mean, have a final say, but why would you choose a doctor that you wouldn't submit to?
00:47:55Why would you choose a doctor that you'd fight all the time or you'd only submit if you felt like it?
00:48:02Yeah, I mean, I had a situation some years ago where I went to the doctor and they recommended a course of action.
00:48:13I'm like, well, I don't like, not that it's like, I was like, in terms of like, just my situation at the time, like, the insurance wasn't going to work out.
00:48:21It's something they did find something.
00:48:23It's like, so what alternatives are there?
00:48:25What can I do to find out if there is a problem that I can dig into further and then just sort of eat that if I have to.
00:48:31And so they gave me a course of action and it's like, okay, there's nothing.
00:48:36The one that was less invasive, essentially, it's like, okay, there's nothing for us to sort of pick up right now, if that makes sense.
00:48:43Yeah, like when I had my ankylose tooth, I ended up with a gum pocket of like eight or nine millimeters and it wasn't anything to do with oral hygiene.
00:48:51It was just that my tooth was still bonded to the bone.
00:48:53So, it just developed a pocket.
00:48:55Now, my dentist said, well, we can yank it or you can try and manage it.
00:49:01Right.
00:49:02And I'm like, well, I don't want it.
00:49:04So, for, I don't know, seven or eight years, I kind of battled this pocket.
00:49:09I dipped my floss into mouthwash and when I went in, she'd really cleaned it out and she'd maybe put some of these little antibiotic tiny pills that they put up in there.
00:49:21And I fought that good fight for like, I don't know, seven or eight years.
00:49:26And then it was like, yeah, sorry.
00:49:28The pocket has won, right?
00:49:30Because it tends to get worse and you can't really clean that stuff.
00:49:34But she gave me the choice.
00:49:36So, of course, I have input.
00:49:38Now, she didn't give me the choice in a sense when the tooth was just toast, right?
00:49:45She didn't say, you can still manage this.
00:49:48I mean, the tooth had gone disco purple, like something bizarre was going on down there.
00:49:54Now, she, of course, she's not going to force me to get the tooth extracted.
00:50:01She can't strap me down, right?
00:50:04But if I say I'm not going to deal with this totally dying, rotting tooth, then she probably would not have kept me on as a patient, at least with much enthusiasm, if that makes sense.
00:50:16Yeah, that totally makes sense.
00:50:19I had the molar, not exactly the same situation, but I got the root canal done ages ago.
00:50:27Yeah, I remember that.
00:50:30And just kept getting decay, decay, decay for whatever reason.
00:50:34And they're like, well, so the dentist was like, okay, so look, we can either basically shave the jawbone down to try to build it up so that you can have it.
00:50:44But if you do that, and we have to lose the tooth anyway, then you're not gonna be able to get an implant at all.
00:50:49So I'm like, I'd rather have this molar because the first molar is really important.
00:50:54And I don't have my wisdom teeth.
00:50:57So it was just like, okay, so that's what I'm gonna do.
00:51:01Right, right.
00:51:02Yeah, I mean, when I got my tooth removed, they said we should get you some nightguards, right, so the teeth don't drift.
00:51:10Because they're like, what do you want it replaced?
00:51:12And I'm like, well, no, because when I got my upper tooth removed, you know, they drilled through a bunch of nerves, and I have a little bit of a mouth on one side, right?
00:51:21And so I'm like, well, no, I don't want, like, what are my options?
00:51:25Well, you know, you can either get a bridge, which means drilling into healthy teeth, and I wasn't too keen on that.
00:51:30Or, you know, you can wear nightguards and hope that your teeth don't drift.
00:51:35And I'm like, okay, let's do that.
00:51:37That seems good.
00:51:38And that's been working out fine.
00:51:41So that's submission.
00:51:42Am I submitting?
00:51:43I still have some feedback.
00:51:45I still have some choices.
00:51:47But when my dentist, who helped me battle this gum pocket for, like, seven or eight years, when she said, I'm pretty sure the tooth is toast.
00:51:55And you know it's never good when you leave your dentist to go immediately to another dentist.
00:51:59Like, that's never a good thing.
00:52:01Because I had to then go and get the tooth.
00:52:04We had to get all of these weird x-rays done.
00:52:07And they were hoping that maybe they could pull the tooth down by elastics with the teeth around it or something like that.
00:52:14But no, it was, like, completely fused with the jawbone.
00:52:16They said it should have been taken care of when I was a kid.
00:52:18But it wasn't because it's British government dentistry.
00:52:21So when she said and the dentist all said, it's got to go, okay, it's got to go.
00:52:34Yeah, yeah.
00:52:35I mean, that's submission to their expertise.
00:52:37And I think if you go to the dentist and you say, I'm never going to take any advice and I'm going to blame you when things go wrong,
00:52:45what's the dentist going to say?
00:52:46Oh, I'm sorry.
00:52:47We're all full up.
00:52:50Yeah, yeah.
00:52:51Right?
00:52:52And so if your wife is not going to take any advice but is going to blame you when things go wrong, that's a problem, right?
00:52:59If you say to your lawyer, I'm not going to take any legal advice and I'm going to sue you if something goes wrong,
00:53:06the lawyer is not going to represent you.
00:53:14The lawyers that I've talked to over the years, they give you options where you can do this, you could do that.
00:53:18But, you know, but whatever you do, you've got to take their advice, like whatever path you take.
00:53:27So that submission thing, when I sort of put it this way, I mean, engineers hopefully are submitting to the realities of gravity and tensile strength.
00:53:35Otherwise, everything's going to fall apart.
00:53:41If I have an engineer who says, I don't submit to physics, I consider that soul enslavement, may not want to be that.
00:53:50May not want to be that.
00:53:53You may not want to have that engineer in charge of your projects, right?
00:53:59I know that software has been getting pretty bad lately, but I mean, your software, it'll either compile or run or it'll have bugs or your customers will pay for it or not.
00:54:08I mean, you have to submit to the customer at that point.
00:54:11Yeah, you have to submit to the customer.
00:54:13I mean, if you order a phone with 128 gigs of storage and it comes with only 64, you're going to take it back, right?
00:54:24Right.
00:54:25Because they haven't submitted to what they...
00:54:27So I don't know.
00:54:28I just, I find this question of submission really interesting.
00:54:31And I don't know if it's because the stretching out of women's adolescent phase is going on for like damn near two decades these days and even beyond, right?
00:54:43Where it's like, I want to be young, attractive and have men defer to me based upon my physical beauty or sexiness or whatever.
00:54:50But that's going on like into a woman's 40s, right?
00:54:52I don't know if you followed any of this stuff.
00:54:54It's quite interesting on Twitter.
00:54:57Is it Pearl?
00:54:59Pearly things.
00:55:00Pearl Davis.
00:55:01She did a tweet which said, a woman at 25 is more attractive than a woman at 35.
00:55:07This used to be common sense knowledge not too long ago.
00:55:13Now she got 16 million views on that tweet.
00:55:17And it really was a bit of a horror show because what would happen is you'd get these half-naked middle-aged women tweeting pictures at pearly things saying, well, I'm hotter now than I ever was.
00:55:30But they've literally done smell tests with men, right?
00:55:34What do you find most attractive and younger women smell more attractive?
00:55:38Like then they can't even see the woman, right?
00:55:41So, yeah, sorry, that's just the way it is, right?
00:55:44Or women who are like, well, I lost 100 pounds.
00:55:46It's like, OK, OK, I get that, right?
00:55:48So if you're 100 pounds less at 35 than you were at 25, you're probably more attractive at 35.
00:55:54But that's the exception that proves the rule.
00:55:55And that's holding another variable that's not constant, right?
00:55:59All other things being constant, yeah, you're more attractive at 25 than 35.
00:56:05And it's usually true for men as well, at least physically, right?
00:56:08So I don't know if it's because there's this eternal...
00:56:14I think for a woman, deferral is saying I'm not as attractive.
00:56:20Like maybe the women measure their level of attractiveness by how much deferral they get.
00:56:28And a woman who submits is confessing to being less attractive because she can't command men based upon her immeasurable beauty.
00:56:38I don't know.
00:56:39I don't know.
00:56:40But it's a strange thing.
00:56:42It's like women with all these rules, like you've got these middle-aged women with all these rules.
00:56:46Yeah, I got a three-month rule.
00:56:47I got a this rule.
00:56:48I got a that rule.
00:56:49You can't text too much, but you got to text enough.
00:56:51And I'm not going to bend to your schedule.
00:56:53And it's like, why are you upping the rules and requirements when the goods are lower in value?
00:57:02That's odd to me.
00:57:04But yeah, maybe it's just this eternal adolescence of the women who want to remain as in demand at 48 as they were at 21.
00:57:15I'm not sure exactly, but I think submission has become something like humiliation.
00:57:20And there's just been a lot of programming about how submission is.
00:57:24But yeah, so there is this strange thing where submission is considered base self-erasing and humiliating.
00:57:33And as a man, I really have a tough time understanding that.
00:57:41I take great joy in submitting to the needs of philosophy.
00:57:44I take great joy in submitting to the needs of my family.
00:57:48I take great joy in subjecting my arguments to rigorous reason and evidence analyses.
00:57:54Like the whole point of one of the major points of the Peaceful Parenting book is theory, practice, and data.
00:58:00Like science, following the scientific method.
00:58:02I got a conjecture, a hypothesis, I'm going to test it according to the...
00:58:07I'm going to put the experiment into practice and then I'm going to measure the data, right?
00:58:12So that's why theory, practice, and data is the structure of Peaceful Parenting.
00:58:17I take great joy in subjecting the theory of Peaceful Parenting to a rigorous analysis of theory, practice, and data.
00:58:25It's great.
00:58:29So, submission, it's funny.
00:58:34And as women have become more resistant to submission, they've become less happy.
00:58:39Which is exactly what you'd expect, right?
00:58:41I mean, if you won't submit to things, you get unhappy.
00:58:44If you won't submit to the need to exercise or eat well or whatever, you're going to be unhappy.
00:58:49If you don't submit to the need to rest and not just work all the time, you're going to get unhappy.
00:58:56So, yeah, I find it...
00:58:59Sorry, go ahead.
00:59:01Do you think maybe, like, is there kind of a connection between how, like...
00:59:04So, like, women, it seems like, in the modern world, don't have any issue submitting to, like...
00:59:09It's almost like institutionalized culture or institutions.
00:59:12And I wonder if when they...
00:59:15Like, they balk so much at this idea of submission because they're, like, projecting the degree to which they should project this institutionalized nonsense onto the men that, for the most part, just kind of want to help them.
00:59:26Well, if you bond with people, it's tougher to get you to bond with ideology.
00:59:31Right?
00:59:32So, if you bond with a loving husband who provides, it's kind of tough to hate and fear the patriarchy, right?
00:59:38So, if you can bond with people, it's tough...
00:59:40Like, the receptors for ideology are blocked if you bond with actual people, which is why ideologues tend to be so isolated.
00:59:53So, I think that you want to block bonding with people in order to get your hooks in or get your plugs in of ideology.
01:00:05So, it's a competitor, right?
01:00:07So, the more you bond with people, the less ideologues have control over you.
01:00:11You know, if your dad is a sort of benevolent owner of a small business and you love him and you worked with him and he helped you learn and everybody has a good time at work and so on...
01:00:21And you have sort of intimate knowledge and connection and love with the people involved...
01:00:26It's kind of tough to get to, you know, capitalists are unholy, proletariat-exploiting scum who should be strung up by their thumbs, right?
01:00:35It's only in the absence of personal connection that ideology tends to rewire people's brains with the greatest of ease.
01:00:43So, I view a woman's love and submission to her husband as indirect competition to her submission to ideology.
01:00:50So, naturally, the first thing that ideology would have to do is to make her hostile towards submitting to a man or the family or whatever, right?
01:00:59Because that way, she's more susceptible to propaganda.
01:01:03Does that make sense?
01:01:06Like, the virus most successfully can bypass the immune system and the immune system against ideology, which is viewing people as hysterical moral categories rather than individuals who can be judged rationally.
01:01:19So, I think it's like, you know, I mean, we were a competitor to the mainstream media.
01:01:24So, they had to sort of wipe us out or wipe me out in order to try and maintain their own market share.
01:01:31And I think ideology teaches...
01:01:33Right, and if you're raised without... Oh, sorry.
01:01:35No, you go ahead. Sorry.
01:01:37Well, if you're raised kind of how a lot of modern women are, unfortunately, without a father, then you're going to cling to ideology and you're already going to have that poor example of masculinity set.
01:01:47And it's this kind of doom loop that results in whole races and cultures not reproducing.
01:01:53Right. Yeah, yeah.
01:01:55I mean, you have to sort of trauma bond with your mother with the mutual hatred of the male.
01:02:03Because it's a sour grapes, right?
01:02:05You couldn't get or keep a good man, and so all men are trash.
01:02:09And that's how you trauma bond with your mother is in sort of mutual hatred of...
01:02:12And then you put all men in an abusive category rather than judge each man individually and morally and rationally.
01:02:18So, yeah, I think there is this big competition thing.
01:02:21And that's why I think women have been programmed that submission to the man, to the needs, to the family and so on is enslavement with the obvious thing that...
01:02:34And you've seen this meme, right?
01:02:36Where this feminist says to a woman who's going to job, it's like, okay, so you submit and serve a man who doesn't care about you at all, then would replace you in a moment.
01:02:46So you're strong and empowered, and that's really healthy and wonderful as opposed to the housewife raising kids.
01:02:52Well, so you've submitted and served the needs of a man who loves you and treasures you and gives you children and pays your bills and will take care of you forever.
01:03:00You're enslaved.
01:03:02Like, it's so mental, right?
01:03:03Like, there is no not submission in the world.
01:03:09You can choose your submission, right?
01:03:13Like, as James was saying, if I choose not to lose weight, I'm choosing the ill health and I have to submit to that.
01:03:19I have to submit to the pain of bad knees.
01:03:21I have to submit to the pain of, you know, whatever illnesses can come out of obesity.
01:03:26So I have to...
01:03:27I'm going to...
01:03:28Like, you're going to submit to something.
01:03:29You know, it's like choose your suffering.
01:03:31You go to the gym, it hurts now.
01:03:32You don't go to the gym, it hurts a whole lot more later and probably is unrecoverable or could be.
01:03:38So, yeah, it's a strange thing.
01:03:41And I suppose maybe that's a demonic vanity to think that you don't have to serve anyone.
01:03:45Like, that all submission is bad, all submission.
01:03:48I mean, isn't it completely narcissistic to say that any submission to anyone or anything completely destroys your identity?
01:03:54It's like, why can't your identity be manifested in that which you submit to?
01:04:01I would say what the programming is also tapping into for women who do have fathers in the household,
01:04:07it's like submission to their father was more like a control.
01:04:11Like, they didn't really have say.
01:04:13And so I think the programming is also tapping to that.
01:04:16It's like submission inside the family is kind of like denying myself.
01:04:20Right. And of course, the way that wisdom accumulated over thousands of generations get destroyed is to continually program young people to view their parents as obsolete and bigoted and prejudiced and foolish.
01:04:34And, you know, we've talked about this a bunch on the show, how all these kids shows where the kids are super wise and the parents are all out of touch and stupid.
01:04:41And so you'll break all of that by this.
01:04:44But then the thing is, right.
01:04:45So but then the thing is, there's this illusion.
01:04:47OK, well, if I don't listen to my parents, I'm free.
01:04:49No, you're not.
01:04:51You then just end up being programmed by people who don't care about you.
01:04:56Because you've got to figure out how to live.
01:04:58And if it's not going to be your parents who hopefully care about you, it's going to be strangers who just want to manipulate you for political gain.
01:05:06The idea that if you reject the patriarchy, you're free.
01:05:10It's like, well, no, now you're just programmed by ideology.
01:05:14Like if you dislike men, you're not free of prejudice.
01:05:19It's just programmed.
01:05:21Now, you're programmed to dislike men.
01:05:24And now you can't fall in love.
01:05:26And if you can't fall in love, you stay single.
01:05:28And if you stay single, you vote for the left.
01:05:30Right. I mean, it's the basic.
01:05:31So I think that the no submission thing makes women less attractive.
01:05:35Therefore, they stay single.
01:05:37Therefore, they vote for the left.
01:05:38I mean, I think it's in America, the single women are the biggest and most reliable demographic for voting left.
01:05:45So you're not free.
01:05:49I mean, there's this weird illusion that if you don't submit to an individual, you're free.
01:05:53Well, no, you're not.
01:05:55I mean, if my nutritionist says, you should change your diet or you're going to get sick.
01:06:01And I'm like, screw you, man.
01:06:03I'm not going to listen to you.
01:06:04I'm going to be free of consequences.
01:06:06It's like, okay, so I've just chosen illness instead.
01:06:10If you keep eating like this, you're going to get diabetic.
01:06:12Screw you, man.
01:06:13I want to be free and liberated.
01:06:14It's like now I'm enslaved to insulin and testing my blood.
01:06:19So, yeah, it's a strange thing.
01:06:21The idea is if you get rid of these rules, you end up with no rules.
01:06:28That's a great point.
01:06:29It taps right into that female vanity.
01:06:33You're not to be controlled.
01:06:34It's your own rules.
01:06:35And that's satanic saying.
01:06:37Yeah, what I do, what I will, I do what that wills, right?
01:06:41And I said, though it harm no others.
01:06:44It's like, well, that's not right.
01:06:45That's all passed by the wayside because doing what that willed is harming others.
01:06:50But it gets you to focus on the harm to others rather than the harm to self.
01:06:53Right.
01:06:54I mean, I don't like going to the dentist.
01:06:55You know, they're in there with their scrappy stuff and all of that.
01:07:00Right.
01:07:01I mean, I have to consciously not be rigid.
01:07:04Right.
01:07:05Because when they're in there blowing that water shit and scraping away,
01:07:08you're just waiting for them to hit some soft gooey.
01:07:10Ow.
01:07:11Right.
01:07:13And so the whole time I'm like, please don't hurt.
01:07:15Please don't hurt.
01:07:16Please don't.
01:07:17OK, relax.
01:07:18Relax.
01:07:19Please don't hurt.
01:07:20Right.
01:07:21And so I don't like going to the dentist.
01:07:24But I go to the dentist because the option is much worse if I don't.
01:07:27So, I don't know.
01:07:28Screw you, dentist.
01:07:29I'm free.
01:07:30I'm free to have, what, a heart attack because I swallowed so much bacteria.
01:07:33So, yeah, it's an odd thing.
01:07:36But I guess it's part of ideology of this, you know, thou shalt not submit.
01:07:41And the funny thing is that the women who say, how dare you, I will never submit,
01:07:46and so on, they tend to be the most submissive, I think, as somebody was saying
01:07:49earlier, to, like, insane social norms.
01:07:54There might be a feeling of being forced into a worse option among women, I mean,
01:08:01because let's say that you have been promised heaven and earth throughout your
01:08:05entire young life, and then suddenly because the wall is coming towards you,
01:08:10you feel forced into picking a worse tier, a lower tier guy or a lower tier job
01:08:20or something like that.
01:08:21So, I think there might be some resentment behind it as well.
01:08:24Right.
01:08:25So, you've been lied into trying to pick up, pick a good husband out of the early
01:08:30to mid-thirties detritus and leftovers, and then you can't find a good husband
01:08:35or someone that you want.
01:08:37And you're an alpha widow, right, because you subsidized your daily market value
01:08:41with sex when you were younger.
01:08:43So, you're expecting this lineup of millionaires, and you get, you know,
01:08:47a couple of basement dwellers with neckbeards, and you're really mad,
01:08:50but you can't get mad at yourself.
01:08:54So, you get mad at the patriarchy, at society, at capitalism, like whatever, right,
01:08:59rather than the people who...
01:09:01It's a very common phenomenon, right, that when you tell the truth,
01:09:04people get mad at you rather than the people who lied to them, right?
01:09:07And when the inevitable consequences of bad decisions accrue,
01:09:11that's another way that people get ideology going, right?
01:09:15Well, men are just too selfish to appreciate a great woman, right?
01:09:22Or, yeah, so I think that also when you can breed failure,
01:09:28the failure opens up more receptors to the plugins of ideology.
01:09:35Because, look, I don't know, I mean, I don't know about you guys.
01:09:38I don't think anyone here would be in that category.
01:09:41But I don't think I've done anything in particular that screwed up my life beyond repair.
01:09:47I mean, don't get me wrong, I've had some near misses, for sure,
01:09:51but I don't look back at my life and say,
01:09:53oh, my God, if only I'd done this, that, or the other.
01:09:57I mean, I think I've navigated things fairly well in a, you know,
01:10:01a pretty tricky environment.
01:10:03I think I've navigated things fairly well.
01:10:05You know, I have ended up with good friends, good family,
01:10:07a good and meaningful way to spend my time.
01:10:10And all of that.
01:10:12So, I don't look back and say, oh, God, this is so terrible.
01:10:19You know, like somebody asked me the other day,
01:10:21what do you wish you'd known in your 20s that you know now?
01:10:24I'm like, I'm not fucking with anything.
01:10:26I wouldn't, if I could send a message back in a bottle, I wouldn't.
01:10:30Because whatever I sent back would change where I am now,
01:10:33and where I am now is great.
01:10:35So, I don't know really what it's like to have really fucked up.
01:10:43Like, to the point where, like, you know, I don't know,
01:10:46like, and there could be people here, and, you know, I mean,
01:10:49I think there's lots of repair options in philosophy.
01:10:51But for the general population, you know, like the guy who's just,
01:10:55I mean, you've heard some of these guys in the call-in show.
01:10:57You're like, I married the wrong woman, I ended up going to jail,
01:11:00and I don't see my kids, and it's like, like, that's really,
01:11:04that's a catastrophe.
01:11:05Like, and I've made mistakes in my life, of course.
01:11:07You can't take any risks and not make mistakes.
01:11:10But I don't think I've done anything where, like,
01:11:12I can't think of anything where I'm like, man,
01:11:14I really shouldn't have spent those 10 years on crack,
01:11:16or, you know, I shouldn't have, you know, joined this criminal organization,
01:11:21or I shouldn't have, you know, spent five years in divorce court, or,
01:11:25you know, like, I just haven't messed up that bad.
01:11:28And I think it's hard to get into the mindset of people
01:11:32whose mistakes are unrecoverable,
01:11:35and I think that ideology kind of swoops in there
01:11:39and gets, like, relieves them from the possibility of self-blame.
01:11:44And when you've messed up to the point where it can't be repaired,
01:11:47it's almost, I mean, you really can't take responsibility.
01:11:49Like, what would be the point?
01:11:50And you're very fertile ground for other blaming.
01:11:57So, yeah, I thought that was...
01:11:59Any other last comments or questions?
01:12:01I should probably get a little lunchy-lunch into me.
01:12:03I've just had a little bit of yogurt and fruit today.
01:12:05So, anything else that people wanted to mention at the end?
01:12:07And, of course, I do want to thank you guys enormously, as always,
01:12:10for your very kind support of the show.
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01:12:18And if there's anybody who wants to close up,
01:12:20I'd certainly be happy to hear.
01:12:23I just wanted to say, I think the word submission
01:12:26is kind of thrown around a lot in our childhood to mean self-erasure,
01:12:30kind of like school, the teacher, or at home,
01:12:33and your parents will say,
01:12:34I need these kids to be good and submissive
01:12:37and to just do whatever I'm told and not question me.
01:12:41I think you're right.
01:12:42Yeah, and I think that's an excellent point
01:12:44because the word gets kind of poisoned by, you know,
01:12:47sit down, shut up, and raise your hand to go to the bathroom
01:12:50and maybe I'll let you go when you're a kid.
01:12:53So, I think that level of...
01:12:55Yeah, and so I think maybe it's like,
01:12:57you'll be the bullying teacher
01:12:59and I'll be the numb student dead from the neck up.
01:13:04And I think that does...
01:13:06And that's why I didn't agree with the guy using the word submission.
01:13:10But I do think it's an important conversation to have.
01:13:12But I think it's a fantastic point.
01:13:14If we had better schools,
01:13:16then submission wouldn't be based on bullying,
01:13:19but based on self-interest.
01:13:20Because to submit based on self-interest is not submission at all,
01:13:22it's self-liberation.
01:13:24So, I think it's an excellent point. Thank you.
01:13:26Exactly.
01:13:29All right, going once, going twice.
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01:13:40I had a woman hang up on me in the middle of a call.
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01:13:44But anyway, we did talk about it later.
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