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00:00I can't imagine I've ever seen my signature bigger.

00:09Yeah, you're like a founding father.

00:11Here we go.

00:16We have our sheet music to our song Birds of a Feather from our new album Hit Me Hard

00:22and Soft.

00:23And we're going to break it down for you a little bit.

00:48There's a lot of songs about dying for somebody and loving them till they die.

00:53And I thought it was really fun to lean in and be like...

00:55To reverse it.

00:56No, literally though.

00:58Till I die, for real.

00:59And I'm in the grave and I'm rotting away.

01:03There's a line, I don't know if you should use this or whatever, but the first lyric

01:06we wrote was, I want you to stay.

01:08And then I have some lyrics in here which are all kind of just loving.

01:12We were like, oh we'll make a love song for the first time that doesn't have some sort

01:15of weird twist to it.

01:16And then we were like...

01:18We twisted it.

01:19We twisted it.

01:20We were coming up with all these rhymes and grave came up.

01:21So it kind of was already this happy sounding thing and then we just always love the juxtaposition

01:26of that with the lyrics.

01:28Here's the thing.

01:29With music, my whole thing is that it's for the listener to decide what it means.

01:34And it doesn't matter what I wrote it about, what Phineas wrote it about.

01:37It's like, it really doesn't matter as long as you interpret it however you need to.

01:41That's all you need to know.

01:42So don't take what I say to heart, but it's almost like someone slamming you into a wall

01:50and being like, you look really pretty.

01:53And you're like, wow, that's really a lot.

01:56That's what I wanted the verse to do.

01:58I wanted it to feel toxic and a little bit love-bomb-y.

02:03I have a hard time with the first lyrics, or the first time I am heard in a song because

02:13it's the most important part to me.

02:15So I will spend days and days and days trying to get the right take of the first line.

02:21This was probably the most challenging out of the entire album to sing.

02:26I'm so specific about what notes I'm doing.

02:28So even though they feel like I'm just going,

02:31I want you to stay.

02:32I'm like, da da da da da.

02:35I want you to stay.

02:37And it has to be this, da da.

02:38Stay.

02:39It's not, ah, it's not like a little slide.

02:42It's like two notes.

02:44This was not a happy album, like literally at all.

02:47This is how I wished that I was feeling, and I wasn't really, but I was like, I'm just

02:52gonna try to pretend.

02:58Two notes, y'all.

03:20Actually there's like a couple that are not there, hold on.

03:24Birds of a feather, wow, careful!

03:27This pre-chorus, so tough.

03:30Such a darn disaster.

03:31Might be a good time for me to pop this open for a second.

03:45So the thing that's really cool about that is, over top of that second chord in the progression,

03:49which is the B minor, we had her do this like real jazz part where she does like a minor-

03:53I said I'd never think I wasn't better alone.

03:58When I was touring, I would, I never did a singing lesson, I would never-

04:01Never even did a vocal warm-up.

04:02I never really did a vocal warm-up.

04:03I would do like five minutes of like-

04:05Lip trills.

04:06You know, your voice is truly like an instrument, and if you work on it and you train and you

04:11practice, you actually can strengthen it and actually get better, and I can't even tell

04:17you how big of a difference like training has done for me.

04:21It's been really incredible.

04:23And this song, I wouldn't have been able to sing it how I did and sing it on stage

04:27how I do without the training that I've been doing.

04:30It's really awesome.

04:35This is an awesome sentence to say.

04:39We should stick together.

04:41We kind of played with like, we should stay together, we should play together, or fly

04:45together, flock together.

04:46Birds of a feather flock together.

04:48And stick together just rolls off the tongue in a very satisfying way, so.

04:52This was another like, whoever is right wins with me and Phineas.

04:57What I love about the way that we work is it's not really like-

05:00Competitive.

05:01Yeah, we're not really competitive like that.

05:02It's really like best idea wins.

05:04And with this, I wanted it to be, might not be forever but if it's forever it's even better

05:12and I don't know what I'm crying.

05:16And Phineas was like, it's better if it goes, it's even better.

05:21I forgot all about that one.

05:23We overthought this sort of simple song so hard.

05:28So hard.

05:29Yeah, we kept getting lost in the maze on this song.

05:31This, I've never, I don't think we've ever overthought another song more.

05:35So glad it's popular.

05:36Thank God.

05:37It's such a pain.

05:38I was, there was like a period where we were considering not putting it on the album but

05:42thank God we didn't do that.

05:53Ooh, I see a place I want to mark up.

06:07Might not belong.

06:08Those are two different words.

06:10Might not belong.

06:12This was our big long lyrical puzzle.

06:16We rewrote that so many times we had different rhythms.

06:22We had this whole other part.

06:23Yeah, it's true.

06:24This.

06:25We didn't get that for seven months.

06:27I'll love you till the day that I die, when we hadn't set it up right, made no sense to

06:31us.

06:32And then it was about setting up that line right.

06:34Right.

06:35We kept saying it's like, how do you make I'll love you till the day that I die a punchline?

06:38Not just sort of like saccharine and meaningless.

06:41I know that I'll love you till the day that I die shouldn't be meaningless but it felt

06:44a little meaningless.

06:45It did.

06:46Before we got might not belong.

06:47Like, not necessarily gonna live another 80 years but I'll love you till the day that

06:50I die.

06:51Even if that's a few days.

06:52So that was our big setup.

06:54We had like different rhythms, different melodies.

06:56For a while it was, I know I should be terrified.

06:59What?

07:00Of what?

07:02We had like some like, I don't miss the way it was.

07:08And those also didn't feel truthful and they didn't feel like they were building to anything.

07:12And we also wanted to set up the I'll love you till the day that I die because it did

07:15feel kind of empty.

07:16So yeah, let's do the chorus.

07:17Let's see what happens.

07:18Oh, beautiful.

07:19Look at that.

07:21I love doing that.

07:25You guys killed that.

07:27Fixing stuff immediately?

07:28I just want context.

07:30Cause that's like technically even though that's the last line of the pre-chorus, it's

07:34like the start of the chorus.

07:35So.

07:36Ok, sorry.

07:37Now we can play the chorus.

07:38I'll love you till the day that I die.

07:39Till the day that I die.

07:40it

08:02and i never thought about how the end of the pre is the beginning of the chorus

08:06billionaires are a lot of this is a feeling like

08:08like i'll go i think you should be seen that chorus line videos

08:11okay and then i play it because this is what you think the chorus is that's a

08:14big part of like a big thing

08:16birds of a feather is a pre-chorus

08:19and then i don't know what i'm

08:21is the chorus

08:23and this is kind of like this

08:24post-chorus, this is like the post-chorus second half of the chorus, but it's the same deal

08:28it doesn't really matter does it

08:29we literally hated so much

08:32when we made it didn't we

08:33also i was singing it like

08:35die

08:37i was like very it was very guttural

08:41we have the demo of that version and it's really tough

08:45i listened to it recently and i was like

08:46it sounds like a horn

08:47but she did a bunch of beautiful harmonies on those dies too

09:06i love me some harmonies

09:09so funny we play you these things and we're like yeah there's a little bit of that

09:12seven hours

09:35the

09:51uh... i love that verse

09:53i have like such a love for second verses i feel like second verses

09:57especially for us

09:58all the best lyrics we've ever written are in the second verse weirdly

10:02i added that soundbite if you like

10:05yeah hang on it's so awesome

10:07we pulled that out

10:08there's a vocal trill

10:10it actually

10:15it's awesome

10:16do you have the original sound

10:19that's the original sound

10:21what am i saying

10:24cuz

10:25cuz the stranger

10:33wait

10:36that's amazing

10:37that's from

10:38getting older

10:40guys

10:41cuz the stranger

10:44we didn't even know that

10:46so that's the vocal from getting older from happier than ever

10:50that came out

10:51our second album came out in 2021

10:55but who would ever know

10:59part of my year of

11:02crisis

11:04i was gonna say i really loved the second verse at the time because

11:08different from i think the rest of the song where i said it was kind of like

11:11i was writing

11:13what i wanted to feel this verse was really how i did feel

11:17you know i want you to see how you look to me you wouldn't believe if i told ya

11:21like you're so obsessed with the idea that you're this

11:25unaccomplished

11:27ugly you know whatever somebody might talk down about themselves and think

11:32you don't even know how you look to me like in my mind

11:36you are

11:37beautiful

11:39special talented

11:41it's not actually possible to see ourselves how somebody else sees us but

11:45if it was

11:46you literally wouldn't believe it like you if i could

11:49give you my

11:51view of yourself you would be so shocked and so

11:55stoked cuz it's awesome

11:57you'd keep the compliments i throw you instead of

12:00discarding them and just keeping this wall around you would take them in and

12:04agree with them

12:05and then tell me it's a bit that one's interesting to me because i feel like people

12:08kind of hear it in a different way for me that's me being like

12:11tell me you're joking

12:13tell me that it's a bit that you don't see how amazing you are say you wanna

12:16quit don't be stupid

12:18that i wasn't referring to a relationship i was referring to like ones

12:23career and job and someone who's just really doubtful of themselves when they

12:27have so much talent

12:29i think there's like a note here

12:32yeah it's super small i love it i actually love this little part

12:37pretend this is here probably yeah

12:40this one goes down a half step which is really cool

12:48uh...

12:50i think it's no

12:51no

12:53this i tried a lot of different stuff with because i didn't

12:56know if it was good enough to just hold it

12:58so i tried a lot of like don't be stupid

13:02or like stupid

13:05and none of that it was kind of like so it was kind of performative

13:17there's lots of new lyrics to write

13:28and

13:46this is sister fried

13:49these are the lyrics that we rewrote

13:53when we rewrote the whole chorus the entire chorus because we were

13:57freaking out really freaking out so we rewrote the chorus and that was the

14:01part we heard before so the

14:03i don't know what i'm crying for

14:07and now we go to the belt you wanna go for it right now try to do it absolutely not but you

14:11could play the isolated vocal

14:23i remember like coming home and playing it for my parents at the time

14:26both of them were like

14:29it was so loud

14:30i mean it's literally shouting i'm shouting but

14:33that second to last note was all i was aiming for

14:36and then as i was doing it i was like

14:38it would be really cool if i went one more

14:42and i did it and it was awesome

14:56there were various moments of this song

15:05that felt really good the whole time and one of them was that outro

15:08that outro feels very happy feels like and sad

15:12feels both

15:13we started

15:14this song on i think february sixteenth

15:16of twenty twenty three

15:17we didn't finish it until

15:20literally january of the next year so long really a long time

15:25i think sometimes you feel more ownership over something if it took you

15:27a long time

15:28sometimes when stuff happens really quickly

15:31you're like wow i feel grateful for that but

15:33you might not feel like the sort of sweat

15:36that went into it

15:38well i am incredibly happy and proud of this song

15:42we've figured it out

15:44and we like it

15:46and people are

15:47understanding it really understanding it and loving it and it makes me really really happy

15:51it just went platinum

15:53which is so fast and insane

15:55i thought this was my flop song

15:57we thought maybe this was the flop album but we loved it

16:17thanks everybody

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