As long as an inquiry arises that needs to be figured out or a deepening that seems to be missing something in the experience wants to be had or wants to do something with it or a loved one dies in which loss is experienced, the mind is still engaged. The seeing of this happens in the moment mind is not involved with an interpretation. From here, the true insights have a chance to drop into the Heart of a direct experience of calm spacious being. The true nature of who you really are. ~Uja