Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry on The Ten Commandments

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Eliadorus,
Furthermore, you claim Fry is unhappy because he is denied dignity at the hand of the Church. That is complete rubbish. Fry is unhappy because the Church refuses to accept the Gay propaganda that homosexual sex is part of God's design for human sexual expression.

But as far as the intrinsic dignity of Gay people let's read what Pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger) said back in 1985 with regard to the treatment of Gays in his "Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons":

"Paragraph 10. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law."

Fry is liar.
By colincarpenter 3 years ago
@ Eliadorus,
You say the Ten Commandments restrict people's capacity for honing their moral sense. How so? The "Catechism of the Catholic Church", in part three of that document, hones in on the more specific moral questions only alluded to in the broad brush strokes of the Ten Commandments. I suspect you (and Fry) are not so much interested having a mature and honed moral code but instead a moral code that can justify your desires and actions whatever they may be.
By colincarpenter 3 years ago
@colincarpenter

Stephen Fry is beyond us, mate. I understand how you could come to the conclusion that he contradicted himself, but I urge you to review what you know of the man before casting aspersions on his quality.

What I believe he meant by: "There's nothing wrong with those particular commandments, but..." is that The Ten Commandments, while outwardly beneficent, restrict people's capacity for honing their moral sense. If people permit themselves to rely entirely on a guidebook for moral direction, their moral intuition will be oppressed and rendered unable to mature (as I believe God wants us to mature!).

Fry is, as you say, gay. Can you forgive him for being unhappy at being denied dignity at the hand of the Church? Homosexuality, like all elements of mankind, was given to us by God. I cannot believe that such a nature betrays or predicts evil.

Fry is a professional comedian. But by God, the man knows EXACTLY what's up.
By Eliadorus 3 years ago
Fry seems a confused man. At 2m:50s he says there's nothing in particular wrong with the Ten Commandments, than at 3m:50s Fry says the Commandments have suppressed tyrannised and bullied. The only real reason Fry hates the Catholic Church is because the Church refuses to accept homosexual sex as a normal expression of human sexuality. This is the same man whose contempt for women was on display when he claimed women only have sex with men in order to get what they want off them.

When it comes to the topic of religion neither Fry nor Hitchens know what they're talking about.
By colincarpenter 3 years ago
You can tell that the Catholic woman is unable to admit the atrocities of the bible that can easily be seen to have derived from the following of the 10 Commandments. PLUS, those (in the Bible) who profess to follow God, without any qualms, will disregard any and all of these commandments when it was to their liking.

I am always flabbergasted when Christians rarely mention the punishments that are commanded to be dealt out when these commandments are broken. In nearly all cases the punishment is EXECUTION.

Stephen Fry is on the mark when he says the 10 Commandments have "suppressed and tyrannised and bullied."

ALSO, which version of the 10C should be followed, the first version or the replacement 10C they received after Moses smashed the originals?
By pusna 3 years ago