Fitna from the Bible

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Few verses from the Bible,it s may be fitna for some Christians,and may be new stuff for Geert wilders to make a video about it ...
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10 months ago by zhimmi
How much more loving and merciful could God have been than to take on a human body and die a horrible death which he did for us, you and me? He did not need to do this for His sake; it was for ours. Mercifully He did it without asking us if we wanted His sacrifice because we are so stupid we (humans) probably would have said, "No", especially the more 'brilliant' among us.

I could have given as many or more examples of God's love from both the Old and New Testaments if there was time and space. Actually, a 'fairfighter' would have given those examples, too. I hope when you write your book that it will include both sides ..in fairness. Or would that not meet your objectives?

I realize that it is not possible to understand God and His 'decrees' especially those that were made 6000 years ago to a civilization much different than ours. It requires faith to believe in God and God gave us all a measure of faith. It is our choice whether we use it or not.
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10 months ago by zhimmi
To Sherbz You are reading a lot into my statements that is not there. I am in no way making Jews 'less advanced'. I am for the Jews and for Israel. Your comments about man carrying out the details of their respective books just shows how man needs a savoir. My comments to Muslims was more about extremist Muslims.

I never said Jesus made the New Testament. Actually one could argue, if there was time and room in this forum, that Jesus made the entire Bible. Everything in the Bible points to Jesus from the beginning in Genesis to Revelation. The two 'laws' Jesus said to obey, requires one to keep all of the Ten. If you love your neighbor, eg, you would not lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. If you love God, you would want to do what He wanted though you may not always succeed.

I do not understand everything about God but I would not give up on Him. He must have created me for a reason.
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10 months ago by sherbz
Zhimmi, your argument invites the conclusion that Jews are less advanced than christians because they reject the new testament. Muslims could say the same thing about christians and Jews, because they rejected the teachings of the prophet Muhammed. Your claim that Muslims carry out every detail of the Quarn is a load of rubbish. Moderate Muslims do no such thing. Thats like me saying that christians carry out the exact word of the bible, and pointing to Fred Phelps as my evidence.

Jesus did not make the new testament. It was written by his followers about him. That is an important distinction that needs to be made. To claim that it only has two basic laws is a load of bull im afraid. You have just cherry picked the two most appealing laws that pander to your modern sensibilities. If the bible is the true word of god, then surely you should accept the whole truth and not just a part of the truth. Arguments like yours make me realise why i am an atheist.
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10 months ago by zhimmi
You make some good points. God made 2 testaments (Old and New). Just as your own will, the old will is void when you make a new one. Christians accept the New testament where "God is love". Jews do not and still use the Torah.

The difference between Muslims and Jews is that Muslims carry out every detail of the Quran but the Jews do not do all these things you read from the Torah.

It is interesting to note that the New Testament could not come into effect until the One who made it had died. When God died, ie, Jesus died (Jesus is and was God), the New Testament came into effect and it had only two basic laws > to love God, and to love your neighbor...

The Old Testament's purpose was to make man realize he could not meet God's righteous requirements. This then had the effect of making man ready for a Saviour. Jesus taught under the law because the New Testament was not in effect. The New Testament begins with the book of Romans.
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10 months ago by sherbz
I think the point is that people like Geert Wilders have used the quarn in a selective way, making it out that the book is inherently evil. What the video does is show that it is perfectly possible to do the same with the Christian and Jewish holy book. That is the real point of the video. Not to simply muddy the christian faith by pointing to its less savoury aspects. I take it that you agree then that Geert Wilders' film on the quarn is a load of rubbish and Muslims have a right to be offended by it?
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10 months ago by urdumb
You are an idiot. If you knew anything about Christianity, you would know that it is based on the New Testament. The teachings of Christ and His disciples. You have chosen passages only from the Old Testament, which makes it obvious that you are attempting to deceive your audience. Christ taught to forgive and to not judge others, because that is God's purview alone. Christ's words are the tenets of Christianity, not the Old Testament.

Either you are stupid, or you have something against Christians and are attempting to deceive others about Christianity.
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10 months ago by sherbz
Yes, Christianity has gone through many evolutions, many of which were very bloody adventures. In essence, i agree with you. The NT is much better than the old one. But the truth of the matter is that we dont know what Jesus really believed or who he really was. Our account of him is written by people who knew him (mostly). If you read any chronicle from the medieval period then you will see that they are littered with 'miracles' and divine interventions. All of these are blatantly bogus. But people still adhere to the belief that Jesus really did all of those incredible things that were written in the bible. I dont buy it. I think it far more likely that Jesus was an important man who acted as moral and political leader within the Jewish church. In this light, he may be considered no different to Martin Luther, Calvin or St Thomas Aquinas. Im not doubting the sincerity of his message, only where it supposedly comes from and who he supposedly was.
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10 months ago by whiteboy660
Ive heard this arguement before, that Christians have no authority to judge islam based on their holy book given the very harsh verses in the bible. Although there is some water to this theory, depending on exactly what kind of Christian you are, its flawed because you are comparing the old testament with the new testament. In each there is a very different God, the OT, which is a collection of teachings before the time of Jesus, reflects a very judgemental fire and brimstone God, while the NT reflects the God Jesus described as loving. Much like a ying and yang, both books have their importance, although most modern Christians draw from the NT more often as the first 5 books of the OT actually comprise the Torah, which belongs to the Jews.

The fact is its not contradictory because God loves us but not everything we do. Christianity has gone through many different evolutions(no pun intended) that make it compatitble with modern society...
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10 months ago by sherbz
I agree completely with your juxtaposition. It certainly has many merits. It always annoys me when people use quotes from the Quran, supposedly justifying its inherently evil disposition. Many of these accusers are Christians. I do wonder if any of them have ever read the bible. Have you ever considered doing some historical observations on the ten commandments? If one takes the line that the commandments were written for the benefit of the Jews (which they were), then "love thy neighbour" loses its universal meaning, becoming "love thy Jew".This makes perfect sense for when the bible was written: Stick together, support each other, dont kill each other, and you will be strong. Our modern interpretation has twisted it to fit in with our own morality. Im not arguing against this mortality, merely suggesting that people treat what they read in the bible with severe scepticism.Im a historian, and the bible should be treated with as much skeptisism as any other historical source.
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