AL-QAEDA: TURNING THE TERRORISTS PART 2 OF 3
In the fight against the international terrorist threat in Indonesia, one man has become an invaluable ally. Nasir Abbas explains why, after men he trained carried out the Bali bombing in 2002, he decided to change sides.
He was a member of al-Qaeda's regional affiliate, Jemaah Islamiya (JI).
The Malaysian trained the Bali bombers in Afghanistan, established a jihadi training camp - Camp Hudabiya - in the dense jungles of Mindanao in the southern Philippines, and rose to become the head of JI's military training division, known as Mantiki Three.
He was close to some of the most notorious militants in the region and brother-in-law of Mukhlas, the mastermind of the 2002 Bali bombings. Those he trained and those he knew went on to operate not just in South East Asia, but in other parts of the world.
Abbas makes no secret of what he taught at Camp Hudabiya, which evolved from a clearing in the jungle to become, in his words, a fully-fledged military academy.
"It included individual combat training, small arms and weapons training and basic knowledge about explosives," he said.
"I train people for war, for battle," he said. "We are killing for defence. We are fighting for our right. And we are not attacking civilians but soldiers."